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Can Batman Physically inflict pain or damage to Superman without the aid of Kryptonite ? Example, Bat kick, punch, electronically charged
batarang

No. If a tank shell cant, no human hit should, bar KK ofcourse.

Originally posted by python99
Can Batman Physically inflict pain or damage to Superman without the aid of Kryptonite ? Example, Bat kick, punch, electronically charged
batarang


Yes.

With hypersonics, nanotechnology, and/or various forms of non-kryptonite radiation.

Yes.

One punch

pressure points bro jk, no Batman can't really hurt him, all these things you have mentioned would be a minor annoyance, maybe cause him pain at the moment but not hurt him long run

Batman finds a way

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes.

One punch Hurt, not erased from existence.

No need to go overboard.

.

Originally posted by relentless1
pressure points bro jk, no Batman can't really hurt him, all these things you have mentioned would be a minor annoyance, maybe cause him pain at the moment but not hurt him long run

Assuming your answer was a response to me and not the original poster of this thread, you've already conceded that these can inflict pain on Superman, which is precisely what the original poster of this thread was asking.

Are you taking the stance that Batman's STANDARD equipment won't take Superman down, at Batman's normal street level magnitude?

I'd probably agree with THAT much, although, again, you've conceded that the hypersonics, at least, would cause Superman pain.

If we're allowing Batman the use of his extended equipment, though, or a day's prep to get access to the heavy artillery he sometimes supplements his craft, vehicles, etcetera, with, then he can take Superman down, not just hurt him.

Nanotech was exactly what was used to take Superman out for 2 or 3 issues in the Superman #1 through 6 arc, for instance, and hypersonics have a history of taking down just about every incarnation of Superman I've read about in comics. They're not always recognized by most readers AS hypersonics, though, as, for example, Livewire's attack on Superman in Flash #237.

Clearly enough stated if you read the text of that book, but, for whatever reason, few seem to have done so.

If we're assuming Batman, like his movie counterpart, has sense enough to borrow tech from military contractors, though, forget about it -- DCnU Lane has Superman's number. Recall, for instance, this little baby, a tank mounted gravity gun, of which Lane has or had about 20 ...

Originally posted by python99
Can Batman Physically inflict pain or damage to Superman without the aid of Kryptonite ? Example, Bat kick, punch, electronically charged
batarang




I suppose the best answer to your question would be

Batman challenged to fight Superman in 24 minutes loses,
Batman challenged to fight Superman in 24 hours might make it memorable,

either one has what it takes to inflict pain, just Batman allowed even one day can inflict a whole lot MORE pain than Batman impromptu.



Superman Unchained #2 suggests what relatively standard Batman-obtainable military weaponry can do to DCnU Clark.

Low showings, here they come.

Originally posted by python99
Can Batman Physically inflict pain or damage to Superman without the aid of Kryptonite ? Example, Bat kick, punch, electronically charged
batarang


Nope. Not unless he has access to magic or red sun rays/radiation. Batman tries punching him or kicking him and he breaks his hand/foot while Clark doesn't even flinch and laughs his *** off at him. I'm sure all the deluded Batman fanboys will say something stupid like "He will find a way" but that's only true in their wet dreams..

Oh and LMAO at "pressure points" affecting Superman. Too bad Batman didn't utilize any of these "pressure point" attacks when Superman nearly killed him when he was mind-controlled by Max Lord. LOL. The only effect they will have on Clark is making him laugh at Batman.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Batman finds a way


Sure he does.

Batman's standard gear won't really hurt him. The sonics will annoy him, sure, but I wouldn't really call it being "hurt" or "damaged".

And no, pressure points won't work.

Guys, try to be on topic, please.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
They're not always recognized by most readers AS hypersonics, though, as, for example, Livewire's attack on Superman in Flash #237.



That wasn't hypersonics. But then there's many things you've argued that are completely wrong.

Those were black hole bullets, something that Batman doesn't have to my knowledge. Anyways, can't see Batman standard equipment hurting Supes.

Yes.

With Venom

Originally posted by Star428
Nope. Not unless he has access to magic or red sun rays/radiation. Batman tries punching him or kicking him and he breaks his hand/foot while Clark doesn't even flinch and laughs his *** off at him. I'm sure all the deluded Batman fanboys will say something stupid like "He will find a way" but that's only true in their wet dreams..

dude stop posting on batman related posts, your diluting the rational conversations here. we get it, your uncle dressed up as batman and touched you inappropriately in that closet when you were a kid, no need to be a goof and whine about it on here

Why are people assuming hypersonics would cause him pain? I hope not because he has super hearing.

Originally posted by Star428
Nope. Not unless he has access to magic or red sun rays/radiation. Batman tries punching him or kicking him and he breaks his hand/foot while Clark doesn't even flinch and laughs his *** off at him. I'm sure all the deluded Batman fanboys will say something stupid like "He will find a way" but that's only true in their wet dreams..

stop baiting.

Originally posted by relentless1
dude stop posting on batman related posts, your diluting the rational conversations here. we get it, your uncle dressed up as batman and touched you inappropriately in that closet when you were a kid, no need to be a goof and whine about it on here

whether you like his post or not, theres no need for that kind of talk.

If you're going to use an insult towards somebody, Relentless, it would probably be taken much more seriously if you didn't have such abhorrent grammar.

grammar nazi. real original bud

This guy doesn't give up. One might even say he's a relentless one.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This guy doesn't give up. One might even say he's a relentless one.

He IS in your mom's house.

In any case, whether people like it or not, how about:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3686834-7186331840-34478.jpg

Tbh, it wouldn't take much. All a Venom-enhanced Bats needs to do is move the jaw of Superman a tiny fraction, to bite his own tongue. That would be enough to make him bleed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
stop baiting.

ok.




It's quite alright, -Pr-... I just laughed... He has now found a nice cozy spot on my ignore list.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He IS in your mom's house.

In any case, whether people like it or not, how about:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3686834-7186331840-34478.jpg

Tbh, it wouldn't take much. All a Venom-enhanced Bats needs to do is move the jaw of Superman a tiny fraction, to bite his own tongue. That would be enough to make him bleed.


So Batman can hurt a guy with durability vastly greater than his strength huh? even if he were on venom, Superman's durability would still be vastly greater than his strength. How many 1000's of punches do you think it would take? Oh wait you said just the one.

Originally posted by carver9
Those were black hole bullets, something that Batman doesn't have to my knowledge. Anyways, can't see Batman standard equipment hurting Supes.

Agreed

Originally posted by Surtur
Why are people assuming hypersonics would cause him pain? I hope not because he has super hearing.

It's because they've SEEN hypersonics cause Superman pain.
It's not something they need to imagine; it's appeared in the comics.

Several times, actually.


The following being one of the more famous:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It's because they've SEEN hypersonics cause Superman pain.
It's not something they need to imagine; it's appeared in the comics.

Several times, actually.


The following being one of the more famous:

Actually, he overcame it instantly in the next scene

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This guy doesn't give up. One might even say he's a relentless one.

ha.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually, he overcame it instantly in the next scene



Yep.

Which I made special point of showing.



But it still caused him pain, and there are many more instances of hypersonics inflicting pain on Superman and other Kryptonians.

Originally posted by Stoic
So Batman can hurt a guy with durability vastly greater than his strength huh? even if he were on venom, Superman's durability would still be vastly greater than his strength. How many 1000's of punches do you think it would take? Oh wait you said just the one.

You missed my point.

Can Superman bite his own tongue?

Also, lol at your line of arguing in this thread, considering the Spidey/Ares thread.

Batman has an Nth metal supply that he uses to fight ghosts and other magical creatures
Superman has a glass jaw when it comes to magic

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You missed my point.

Can Superman bite his own tongue?

Also, lol at your line of arguing in this thread, considering the Spidey/Ares thread.

The same thing applies here that applied to the other thread. You staunchly kept a stance in that thread, tallking about how many hundreds of punches it would take Spiderman to hurt Ares, and here you have Batman hurting a guy with a vastly greater disparity in terms of durability in relation to Ares, and Spiderman, but in this one you say "TBH it wouldn't take much". The durability of Superman's eyes alone can take machine gun fire without making him flinch. Yet Batman can punch him and make him bite his tongue. You even go as far as to post a scan of Batman that I assume is him without the venom amplificaction, and without skipping a beat you didn't bother to even claim PIS. Now your disclaimer is the the word tongue.

So basically it's PIS even when a character has a history of hurting other characters vastly superior to them, but when it comes to Batman, it isn't PIS. In case you missed it. Superman is vastly superior to Ares, and Spiderman is vastly superior to Batman.

Originally posted by Stoic
The same thing here applied to the other thread. You staunchly kept a stance in that thread, tallking about how many hundreds of punches it would take Spiderman to hurt Ares, and here you have Batman hurting a guy with a vastly greater disparity in terms of durability in relation to Ares, and Spiderman, but in this one you say "TBH it wouldn't take much". The durability of Superman's eyes alone can take machine gun fire without making him flinch. Yet Batman can punch him and make him bite his tongue. You even go as far as to post a scan of Batman that I assume is him without the venom amplificaction, and without skipping a beat you didn't bother to even claim PIS. Now your disclaimer is the the word tongue.

So basically it's PIS even when a character has a history of hurting other characters vastly superior to them, but when it comes to Batman, it isn't PIS. In case you missed it. Superman is vastly superior to Ares, and Spiderman is vastly superior to Batman.

Erm, he DID have Venom amp in the scan I posted.....have you read the comic? Or, like the scans I posted (where I even linked a full synopsis to the story with further scans), did the details elude you (despite you, of course, having owned the comic)?

There is a MAJOR, MAJOR difference between that thread and this one.

In that thread, there was zero, I repeat, ZERO comics of Spidey vs Ares.

In this thread, which is NOT a vs thread btw (ANOTHER important difference), the OP asked if Batman could physically hurt Superman without K-nite. I answer yes, and provided an instance of it happening. IOW, there is a comic which answered it precisely, that yes, he can.

PIS? CIS? Writer wanking? Lowballing? Throw as many terms as you want. Fact of the matter is, and it IS an undeniable, truthful fact - Batman HAS indeed punched Supes, and drawn blood. ZERO debate, ZERO ambiguity.

Spidey has NEVER punched Ares, so all the talk about him hurting tougher/stronger/faster opponents, is moot, as they were not Ares.

Originally posted by relentless1
grammar nazi. real original bud

GoCOg8ZzUfg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm, he DID have Venom amp in the scan I posted.....have you read the comic? Or, like the scans I posted (where I even linked a full synopsis to the story with further scans), did the details elude you (despite you, of course, having owned the comic)?

There is a MAJOR, MAJOR difference between that thread and this one.

In that thread, there was zero, I repeat, ZERO comics of Spidey vs Ares.

In this thread, which is NOT a vs thread btw (ANOTHER important difference), the OP asked if Batman could physically hurt Superman without K-nite. I answer yes, and provided an instance of it happening. IOW, there is a comic which answered it precisely, that yes, he can.

PIS? CIS? Writer wanking? Lowballing? Throw as many terms as you want. Fact of the matter is, and it IS an undeniable, truthful fact - Batman HAS indeed punched Supes, and drawn blood. ZERO debate, ZERO ambiguity.

Spidey has NEVER punched Ares, so all the talk about him hurting tougher/stronger/faster opponents, is moot, as they were not Ares.

Did I say that I read the comic? His size was the same as usual in that scan so like i said I "assumed" that he was not on venom. Even if he were on venom he shouldn't be able to hurt Superman, because he would and still should be too weak to hurt him. You trying to turn things around to make yourself look less like an artist of deception isn't really working here. I see you're back to the old routine of insulting peoples intelligence huh? The same thing applies here that applied to the other thread. If you weren't a liar, and wanted to remain consistent, you would have said no Batman should not be able to hurt Superman physically by any means, because he isn't strong enough, or durable enough. That is of course if you believed the mess that you stood by in the Ares vs Spiderman thread. So you would prefer to continue the charade of looking like a person lacking logic, than admit to being wrong. One day the fall will be great if this is the way you operate in real life. I'm done here.

The question was asked, can Batman hurt Superman, without Kryptonite.

I said yes, he could. Here's a scan. Like it or not, it happened in a canon comic, sanctioned by DC editorial.

Where did I lack logic? Or attempt to deceive? Never insuulted your intelligence, by the way.

It's like someone asking, can Superman hit the Flash. And I post the scan of him finger flicking him. Did it happen? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Were there extenuating circumstances? That's a different question, and we can have a nice long debate.

Originally posted by relentless1
grammar nazi. real original bud



Doesn't change the fact that you lack the ability to utilize proper grammar.

Originally posted by Impediment
Doesn't change the fact that you lack the ability to utilize proper grammar.

grammar attacks are the calling card of the mentally feeble, if you want to attack what I actually said then be my guest, don't lower yourself to pettiness man YOURE better than that

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Yes.

With hypersonics, nanotechnology, and/or various forms of non-kryptonite radiation.

Supporting the nano tech idea, Daxamite Dev Em was dropped by Shrinking Violet scratching and clawing at his inner ear.

This after Superman, a daxamite named Laural Gand, and the "Five Years Later" adult Legion of Super Heroes were completely overmatched.

Maybe Bat could rig nano tech to enter his head and fry his brain with a laser, like Atom did to Darkseid in Rock of Ages?

Originally posted by SasuOna
Batman has an Nth metal supply that he uses to fight ghosts and other magical creatures
Superman has a glass jaw when it comes to magic
Nth metal is anti Magic. It's not magical itself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The question was asked, can Batman hurt Superman, without Kryptonite.

I said yes, he could. Here's a scan. Like it or not, it happened in a canon comic, sanctioned by DC editorial.

Where did I lack logic? Or attempt to deceive? Never insuulted your intelligence, by the way.

It's like someone asking, can Superman hit the Flash. And I post the scan of him finger flicking him. Did it happen? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Were there extenuating circumstances? That's a different question, and we can have a nice long debate.

Let me ask you though, what are the feats of people on venom? As in, other people besides Batman who took it? Did they also show this vast of a strength increase? Or was this just another "it happened because he is Batman" moment.

If venom does that then Bane must be an absolute monster.

Does it matter, though?

PIS? A lowballing of the amazing Superman? Sure. But it happened. I can go to a shop, and buy and hold in my hands a canon comic where Batman, on Venom, draws blood from Supes.

So Batman's standard equipment is basically completely useless on Supes?

^ It proved useless in Justice League #2, didn't it?

Maybe he's got some new stuff in his arsenal since their first meeting but I don't recall him using it.

Originally posted by python99
So Batman's standard equipment is basically completely useless on Supes?


Yep.

Batman owns Supes....

Originally posted by python99
So Batman's standard equipment is basically completely useless on Supes?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/39001/4220452-bvs1.jpg

He emptied his belt against Supes, and was found wanting. Of course, he may (should?) have upgraded since then, but haven't seen it. So on a random encounter, he's fuxxed.

Uber

If batman can hurt superman without green k then there is a big problem

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Uber

Scan was cropped, I'll try and find a better one. One of the items he tried was a sonic generator.

Originally posted by Shabazz916
If batman can hurt superman without green k then there is a big problem

Superman beats Darkseid often, to think Batman could do much is just poor.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why are people assuming hypersonics would cause him pain? I hope not because he has super hearing.

I thought that was the exact reason

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Superman beats Darkseid often, to think Batman could do much is just poor.

Superman does beat High herald Darkseid often.

Originally posted by relentless1
grammar attacks are the calling card of the mentally feeble, if you want to attack what I actually said then be my guest, don't lower yourself to pettiness man YOURE better than that

This guy is just relentless!

Originally posted by carver9
Superman does beat High herald Darkseid often.




In the DCnU?

I must have missed it ...

Originally posted by carver9
Superman does beat High herald Darkseid often.

No he doesn't.

It's a horrible forum myth.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Superman beats Darkseid often, to think Batman could do much is just poor.


And yet, to say Batman's done "much" against Superman AND Darkseid would be an understatement:

http://comicnewbies.com/tag/hellbat/

Originally posted by carver9


Superman does beat High herald Darkseid often.


Originally posted by -Pr-


No he doesn't.



It's a horrible forum myth.






Who are you?

And what have you done to Pr?