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The 3 Beyonders run the following gauntlet with all battles being to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

The Beyonders are restored to full strength after every round of combat...

How far do they get?


1) Thanos with a CCU...
2) Thanos with a CCU+DoT Anti-Monitor...
3) Thanos with a CCU+DoT Anti-Monitor+Thanos with the IG...
4) Thanos with a CCU+DoT Anti-Monitor+Thanos with the IG+Living Tribunal...
5) Thanos with a CCU+DoT Anti-Monitor+Thanos with the IG+Living Tribunal+Classic Owen...
6) Thanos with a CCU+DoT Anti-Monitor+Thanos with the IG+Living Tribunal+Classic Owen+Classic Beyonder...


Note: the gauntlet assumes that the Beyonders cant automatically control/manipulate the power of a CCU/Cube Being/Beyond Realm energies against Thanos/Classic Owen/Classic Beyonder (ie...they cant automatically control/manipulate Classic Beyonder/Owens power, nor that of the CCU)...

They ain't getting passed Classic Beyonder they stop at 5.

Stop at 2

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Stop at 2
How?

They stop at 5.

After all, They did beaten LT. But Classic Owen would beat them.

Also, Isn't a bit early to put the Beyonders into battles yet?

No......LT shit stomps many fictional verses now the beyonders do to......taking him out is a huge feat.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
No......LT shit stomps many fictional verses now the beyonders do to......taking him out is a huge feat.

I wont even lie about that.

They stop at pre retcon MM.

Originally posted by zopzop
They stop at pre retcon MM.
Can they beat him?.......

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Can they beat him?....... I duobt they can beat owen at his best.He is just under the real Beyonder.And you know who I am mr.B(who else calls you that)marvel would never mess up the return of the real Beyonder!

Lel I know its you 1967

I thought they were more powerful than the first Beyonder?

Originally posted by carver9
I thought they were more powerful than the first Beyonder? They are.

But they aren't more powerful than what Beyonder and Owen showed in SW2. Which was basically all an illusion.
Which is safely counted because the words "pre retcon" were used. Which basically gives people free reign to use whatever illusion they ever want to.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They are.

But they aren't more powerful than what Beyonder and Owen showed in SW2. Which was basically all an illusion.
Which is safely counted because the words "pre retcon" were used. Which basically gives people free reign to use whatever illusion they ever want to.

Makes sense. This is the illusion that was casted by the Celestial correct? If so, I guess they are debating over an imaginary character that doesn't exist...and even if the ft was true and belonged to the character, I don't think that would change the fact that it was outright mentioned that the Beyonders are more powerful than the first Beyonder. Fts can only take you so far.

Originally posted by carver9
Makes sense. This is the illusion that was casted by the Celestial correct? If so, I guess they are debating over an imaginary character that doesn't exist...and even if the ft was true and belonged to the character, I don't think that would change the fact that it was outright mentioned that the Beyonders are more powerful than the first Beyonder. Fts can only take you so far. PR Beyonder doesn't fit into the Beyonders actually existing. He was the only being of the Beyond Realm, and he was the Beyond Realm. Because naturally.

You can't retroactively implant ones history onto the other. One has to be true. One has to be false.
But if you tried you'd get Beyonder being the God of the Beyond Realm and him being a child compared to the Beyonders. Beyonder being millions of times greater than the entire multiverse but the Beyonders having a tough fight with LT. Conflicting shit like that.

With that being said, SW2 was a complete mess. Best retcon Marvel ever did.

Extremely useful info. Thanks for the help.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They are.

But they aren't more powerful than what Beyonder and Owen showed in SW2. Which was basically all an illusion.
Hey there B, actually friend the strange thing is that everything the Beyonder did in SW2 is canon,
except for the Celestials bit which was retconned into it being that illusion thingy.
That, and the "millions of times" yada. But erasing Death, and nearly killing Eternity is a go.

All right. But I'm specifically talking about the abstracts quaking, him being the Beyond realm, and the like. Like in the examples I gave if you direct your eyes downward.

Things that would actually interfere with the canon of the Beyonders. But if him almost killing Eternity and erasing Death makes both canons viable then I must have been off base.

Also my quote is saying that anything that makes Beyonder/Owen above the Beyonders was basically all an illusion. Not everything they did was an illusion. So...

*edit: ^ I see what you mean. I agree.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

You can't retroactively implant ones history onto the other. One has to be true. One has to be false.
But if you tried you'd get Beyonder being the God of the Beyond Realm and him being a child compared to the Beyonders. Beyonder being millions of times greater than the entire multiverse but the Beyonders having a tough fight with LT. Conflicting shit like that.

It's quite simple. They're both the same character, only "post-retcon" Beyonder had been de-powered.
Beyonder still came from the Beyond Realm, but now as piece of it, rather than being its whole.
They call this "piece" a "Cube being." That's it.

The Hickman portrayal (child unit) can still be interpreted several ways imo so I'm not going there yet.

It could be that Beyonder is/was a young Beyonder or it could be how Hickman defines Cube beings.
Imo, Beyonder was always a special case I've said it for years
and it can be proven on panel, (operator616 and I have done so)
so it wouldn't surprise me if Beyonder was greater than a Cube being ergo a young "Beyonder?"

Originally posted by Mr Master
*edit: ^ I see what you mean. I agree.

It's quite simple. They're both the same character, only "post-retcon" Beyonder had been de-powered.
Beyonder still came from the Beyond Realm, but now as piece of it, rather than being its whole.
They call this "piece" a "Cube being." That's it.

The Hickman portrayal (child unit) can still be interpreted several ways imo so I'm not going there yet.

It could be that Beyonder is/was a young Beyonder or it could be how Hickman defines Cube beings.
Imo, Beyonder was always a special case I've said it for years
and it can be proven on panel, (operator616 and I have done so)
so it wouldn't surprise me if Beyonder was greater than a Cube being ergo a young "Beyonder?" That's how he fits into it with the retcon, yes. But his previous canon cannot exist in full along with the Beyonders and them both be true. Is what I was saying.
Which was in retort to Carver implying that even if what he did was complete truth, that he would still be lesser than the Beyonders. Because something has to give there, they can't both be true.

Beyonder is easy to fit in with the retcon. Beyonder's history pre retcon would be something like he created the Beyonders and they ascended past him to a degree he became a child unit compared to them. Also all the cosmics got an upgrade.

But yeah, it remains to be seen of the Beyonder. I guess we'll find out if we should worry about his history at all in a week and a half. Though I guess he could always still appear even if he isn't Rape Addict

Stops at 5 anyone else?

it`s not going to turn out that way.the original Beyonder is no child unit.Why have a new Secret Wars if he is nothing to these race of Beyonders,sounds like a simpelton came up with the idea.Hickman won`t mess this up,Original Beyonder -ucks these beings up easy!

Originally posted by zom1967
it`s not going to turn out that way.the original Beyonder is no child unit.Why have a new Secret Wars if he is nothing to these race of Beyonders,sounds like a simpelton came up with the idea.Hickman won`t mess this up,Original Beyonder -ucks these beings up easy!
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They clear the gauntlet.

I was thinking...even tough we saw 3 Beyonders on panel, is said the battle was happening in all reality at the same time. Maybe all the Beyonders were fighting against living tribunal and not only 3 ?

They could be Omnipresent

I think it`s only 2 months know Mr.B,then time runs out.Until the real Beyonder returns!

Lets hope.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Stops at 5 anyone else?

This is my belief as well (I voted stops at 5)...

As pertains to continuity, the True Beyonders are beyond Classic Owen and Classic Beyonder...

But as pertains to how they all have been portrayed power level wise thus far, they arent on Classic Owens level...

Agreed.