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Only one issue left. From what we know so far, what would it take for the Marvel universe/Multiverse to take down the Gentry?

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The MU has already been invaded and destroyed by the Gentry.

That's the point.

They did took over Earth-Prime and Beaten Ultra Comics right?

Maybe classic She-Hulk or Deadpool use there 4th wall powers to try to stop them maybe?

Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
They did took over Earth-Prime and Beaten Ultra Comics right? Yes, and no.

As evident by the first 2 pages of the book, which serve as both the beginning and the end of the story, Ultra survives his battle with Intellectron. However, he is trapped in the Oblivion Machine's endless cycle. So he lives... Then dies... Then lives... Then dies... Then lives... Perpetually.

Doom solos.

Good thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, and no.

As evident by the first 2 pages of the book, which serve as both the beginning and the end of the story, Ultra survives his battle with Intellectron. However, he is trapped in the Oblivion Machine's endless cycle. So he lives... Then dies... Then lives... Then dies... Then lives... Perpetually.


so, who do you think can take out the Gentry? IYO?

4th wall powers, probably, or perhaps TOAA, because it's an analog for Kirby, and likely has similarly meta powers attached to that distinction. I could see a nutty comic where Deadpool convinces everyone of what's going on, then uses his powers in conjunction with, like, Cap's jobber aura to get the job done.

However, you yourself said there's one issue left Golgo. Why not wait to see it first? We're all just speculating here. Except maybe Galan, who could teach a course in this stuff by this point.

Originally posted by Digi
4th wall powers, probably, or perhaps TOAA, because it's an analog for Kirby, and likely has similarly meta powers attached to that distinction. I could see a nutty comic where Deadpool convinces everyone of what's going on, then uses his powers in conjunction with, like, Cap's jobber aura to get the job done.

However, you yourself said there's one issue left Golgo. Why not wait to see it first? We're all just speculating here. Except maybe Galan, who could teach a course in this stuff by this point.

You know me. I'm very impatient.

Originally posted by Digi
Except maybe Galan, who could teach a course in this stuff by this point.

I couldn't even guess what the final issue will bring.

The sentry.

Bentley loses

Originally posted by Digi

4th wall powers, probably, or perhaps TOAA
"TOAA?" ... you must've forgot about almighty She-Hulk!

4th Wall conceptual stuff ey. ... even the PM ... bring it son.

So the LT has no choice but to summon his canon cosmic employee, She-Hulk:

She Hulk, she jumps in out of the pages which are PM,
she can effortlessly tear away any creation on the PM,
she controls the stories that appear on the PM,
and commands how she'll be displayed on the PM.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930169_SH1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930170_SH2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930171_SH3.jpg

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...bah, She-Hulk stomps the guys who put the "pages" into motion!

The "Pages" which are the PM.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11930306_SH4.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11930307_SH5.jpg

(Executive Editor Defalco, and Editor/writer and legend, Gruenwald)

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Then again, almighty She-Hulk can just kill TOAA as well:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11930308_SH6.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11930309_SH7.jpg

(John Byrne no less)

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The LT brings his cosmic counselor into the picture, and it's on.

Oh, when I said 4th wall powers, I was including Shulky. I just didn't list her by name. But cool scans.



Originally posted by Golgo13
You know me. I'm very impatient.

Indeed.

But seriously, it's a bit pointless at this point. Especially with a power this meta, that we'll likely struggle to conceptualize even after the arc's over, we're just killing forum space while waiting for something resembling certainty. Your impatience in many cases is understandable, but it's only going to net half-baked theories that we can't yet confirm.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"TOAA?" ... you must've forgot about almighty She-Hulk!

4th Wall conceptual stuff ey. ... even the PM ... bring it son.

So the LT has no choice but to summon his canon cosmic employee, She-Hulk:

She Hulk, she jumps in out of the pages which are PM,
she can effortlessly tear away any creation on the PM,
she controls the stories that appear on the PM,
and commands how she'll be displayed on the PM.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930169_SH1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930170_SH2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11930171_SH3.jpg

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...bah, She-Hulk stomps the guys who put the "pages" into motion!

The "Pages" which are the PM.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11930306_SH4.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/11930307_SH5.jpg

(Executive Editor Defalco, and Editor/writer and legend, Gruenwald)

--------------------------------------------------------------


Then again, almighty She-Hulk can just kill TOAA as well:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11930308_SH6.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11930309_SH7.jpg

(John Byrne no less)

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The LT brings his cosmic counselor into the picture, and it's on.

you really think She-Hulk can survive the Oblivion Machine?

Originally posted by Golgo13

you really think She-Hulk can survive the Oblivion Machine?
I don't even know what that is. But there's an incarnation of "She-Hulk" which allows her to do whatever she likes.

Byrne used her most, but she's made a few appearances here and there, same 4th wall monster.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't even know what that is. But there's an incarnation of "She-Hulk" which allows her to do whatever she likes.

Byrne used her most, but she's made a few appearances here and there, same 4th wall monster.

Ultra could basically do the same, but was trapped within the Gentry's tricks.

Originally posted by Golgo13

Ultra could basically do the same, but was trapped within the Gentry's tricks.
I wouldn't say he did the same cause he fell beneath someone, while She-Hulk is God.

You did notice her killing TOAA yes? ... and beating the crap out of TOAA's bosses?

There's much more but I'm not gonna spam the thread. I thought that'd be suffice.

I think you guys are talking about different things. Gentry's power is very hard to put into context with even other 4th wall feats.

That said, it's pretty clear that Jen has some similar powers to Ultra and, depending on the writers' whims, would have a decent chance at a win and could possibly even escape the loop he's (apparently) caught in. There's no certainty here, though.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ultra could basically do the same, but was trapped within the Gentry's tricks. It wasn't really a 'trick' per se. The Gentry invaded/overtook Universe Prime, and subsequently, Ultra Comics itself. Ultra, who is a culmination of the readers' collective thoughts made manifest, is able to generate metatextual attacks(ie. the "negative criticism" of the readers) capable of briefly harming The Gentry. He is also capable of 'skipping scenes' when he's in danger, thus making him nigh-impervious to any sort of permanent damage sustained from any foe(no matter how powerful)--if he is injured/weakened, he can evidently just 'skip' back a few pages to when he was healthy and go from there.

Despite this, he was still ultimately trapped in a never-ending cycle of death/rebirth within the Oblivion Machine/Ultra Comics. For those who don't yet know: The Oblivion Machine/Ultra Comics is a cross-dimensional gateway of sorts. Reading this book opens up your universe/mind to an invasion from The Gentry--that's how they've spread across the multiverse. Hence why every other issue of Multiversity has made mention of the book being "haunted" and whatnot.

Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't really a 'trick' per se. The Gentry invaded/overtook Universe Prime, and subsequently, Ultra Comics itself. Ultra, who is a culmination of the readers' collective thoughts made manifest, is able to generate metatextual attacks(ie. the "negative criticism" of the readers) capable of briefly harming The Gentry. He is also capable of 'skipping scenes' when he's in danger, thus making him nigh-impervious to any sort of permanent damage sustained from any foe(no matter how powerful)--if he is injured/weakened, he can evidently just 'skip' back a few pages to when he was healthy and go from there.

Despite this, he was still ultimately trapped in a never-ending cycle of death/rebirth within the Oblivion Machine/Ultra Comics. For those who don't yet know: The Oblivion Machine/Ultra Comics is a cross-dimensional gateway of sorts. Reading this book opens up your universe/mind to an invasion from The Gentry--that's how they've spread across the multiverse. Hence why every other issue of Multiversity has made mention of the book being "haunted" and whatnot.

This is what happens when I think of Multiversity...

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Do you think Jen can destroy the Gentry?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Do you think Jen can destroy the Gentry? Heh, no.

Jen would be as a "Silly 4th wall breaker" back then.

Does the Gentry have anything to stop a Silly 4th wall breaker?

Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
Jen would be as a "Silly 4th wall breaker" back then.

Does the Gentry have anything to stop a Silly 4th wall breaker?

The Gentry are mainly 4th wall concepts.

Jen can't smash writers who shovel grimdark or political bullshit into comics, or that shit subsequently making people feel bad.

Hell, Dan ****'s run on She hulk probably helped the Gentry take over a new generation of kids.

not sure i'd label them as 4th wall concepts, though i think i get what you're saying. they were birthed in the dc multiverse and are TRYING to break the 4th wall, and they seem to have done so via ultra comics. of course, rl earth seems to be a part of the multiverse as morrison has laid it out so i guess in that sense they could still be "rl" concepts, only within the dc multiverse.

Looks like Grant Morrison is apart of the Justice League of the Multiverse.

Glad to see Ultra might be apart of the last issue.

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