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...which best friend has the best striking feats?

Originally posted by riv6672
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...which best friend has the best striking feats?

Thanks forcthe scans!

I'd rate the Helicarrier one punch KO higher, tbh. That's just ridiculous considering they've taken hits from Godzilla's atomic breath and generally a lot more.damage without. getting totaled.

I'd take Cage. He is consistently damaging characters way above his weight class.

Fist.

He's also a lot more variable.

I'm much less of an expert on Cage then I am on Danny, so won't pick a winner, but for what it's worth, pretty much every time Cage and Danny fight, it's Cage who gets his clock cleaned.

Wasn't it Bendis who had him take a giant sized Cage off his feet in a New Avengers run some time back?

Originally posted by cdtm
He's also a lot more variable.

I'm much less of an expert on Cage then I am on Danny, so won't pick a winner, but for what it's worth, pretty much every time Cage and Danny fight, it's Cage who gets his clock cleaned.

Wasn't it Bendis who had him take a giant sized Cage off his feet in a New Avengers run some time back? he really doesn't get beat up that often. Almost everytime cage gets beat up, it's because he's fighting a character that's several tiers above his paygrade, and he still wins against those characters more times than not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'd take Cage. He is consistently damaging characters way above his weight class. Iron Fist isn't?

Originally posted by Mindset
Iron Fist isn't?
Not at that level, no.

Danny.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not at that level, no. Yes he has.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes he has.
Not consistently.

Danny straight up beat the shit outta the wrecking crew dolo

Danny can concentrate and amp his punches. It is his power after all

If we go with who can strike one blow harder Danny IMO.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Danny straight up beat the shit outta the wrecking crew dolo
Cue mungi..........

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Danny straight up beat the shit outta the wrecking crew dolo actually, Cage also beat up a few wrecking crew members.

So has Cap. Everybody and their momma's have beat up Wrecking Crew members.

@ slash

But not all of them at once.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not consistently.

Post-upgrade? Pretty much consistently.

P5 Namor, Ragnarok, Doc Green, Skaar, Skadi...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not consistently. The thread isn't asking which character is more consistent.

Feat for feat, Danny's are higher.

Originally posted by Existere
The thread isn't asking which character is more consistent.

Feat for feat, Danny's are higher.
Feat wise Spider man hits harder than both. Do you think Iron Fist hits harder than spidey on average though?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Feat wise Spider man hits harder than both. Do you think Iron Fist hits harder than spidey on average though?

You're asking him a question that has nothing to do with the thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Feat wise Spider man hits harder than both. Do you think Iron Fist hits harder than spidey on average though? OP says "which best friend has the best striking feats?"

Danny does.

Iron Fist by his nature has a huge range of showings of striking power. Measuring consistency would really favour Cage, whose power is static and passive, vs. Danny, who can hit harder depending on his chi.

So what happened after IF hit the Hulk?

That's how She Hulk came into existence.

Originally posted by Surtur
So what happened after IF hit the Hulk?

Doc Green?

He got hurt. Then asked Rand to teach him some good MA stuff (which he would later use against the Rulk, to no avail).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Feat wise Spider man hits harder than both. Do you think Iron Fist hits harder than spidey on average though?

Do you think Spidey can level a city block with a punch? Or a helicarrier?

How badly was that helicarrier really damaged? Don't remember it crashing or anything after the punch, just the vast dmg shown on panel.

Anyway, Cage wouldn't have been able to replicate that feat. Or the train feat. Or the battleship feat... etc.

Vs. Ragnarok, it was Rand who finally punched his lights out. Not Luke

Oh, and who was doing ground pounding on a semi-regular basis under Bendis?

Hint: not Luke

Originally posted by Existere
OP says "which best friend has the best striking feats?"

Danny does.

Iron Fist by his nature has a huge range of showings of striking power. Measuring consistency would really favour Cage, whose power is static and passive, vs. Danny, who can hit harder depending on his chi.
Oh, I didn't know we are just taking high end feats here. Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think Spidey can level a city block with a punch? Or a helicarrier?
Do you think Rand can Ko Thor or Surfer with just punches or kicks?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Doc Green?

He got hurt. Then asked Rand to teach him some good MA stuff (which he would later use against the Rulk, to no avail).

Don't think he was talking about that scene. Think he is asking about Skaar and Hulk seemed like he enjoyed Iron fist punch than anything else.

Iron Fist is lame most of the time

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Post-upgrade? Pretty much consistently.

P5 Namor, Ragnarok, Doc Green, Skaar, Skadi... He punched through Nuul into his heart.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Iron Fist is lame most of the time Yea, like when he's beating 7 shades of shit outta that queer Black Panther.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, like when he's beating 7 shades of shit outta that queer Black Panther.

ummm I believe he lost that fight if I remember correctly. And that was a bloodlusted Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Vanguard
ummm I believe he lost that fight if I remember correctly. And that was a bloodlusted Iron Fist. That was a brainwashed IF who beat BP so bad he had brain damage.

Originally posted by Mindset
That was a brainwashed IF who beat BP so bad he had brain damage.

And the only reason for that was because BP was holding back on him.

Originally posted by Vanguard
And the only reason for that was because BP was holding back on him.

Can you show where he was holding back?

Originally posted by Vanguard
And the only reason for that was because BP was holding back on him. Lol, no he wasn't.

Danny beat the living shit out of BP, accept it and move on.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Can you show where he was holding back?

In the scan you'll notice his energy daggers are blue. That's not their highest setting. IF he was looking to kill Iron Fist they would have been red. Red is their highest setting.

Iron Fist's highest setting is one hit decapitating BP.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Iron Fist's highest setting is one hit decapitating BP.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Iron Fist's highest setting is one hit decapitating BP.

Yet he wasn't able to do that. While brainwashed.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Yet he wasn't able to do that. While brainwashed. Exactly. He was holding back

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Exactly. He was holding back

Why would a brainwashed Iron Fist be holding back?

Originally posted by Vanguard
Why would a brainwashed Iron Fist be holding back? So he wouldn't decapitate BP with one punch.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Why would a brainwashed Iron Fist be holding back? His consciousness must have resurfaced in the fight and exerted just enough control to tone his abilities down to a fraction of their max.

Because his max is one hit beheading you see.

Originally posted by Mindset
So he wouldn't decapitate BP with one punch.

bad answer

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His consciousness must have resurfaced in the fight and exerted just enough control to tone his abilities down to a fraction of their max.

Because his max is one hit beheading you see.

sorry, but....worse answer

Too bad BP couldn't dodge those punches as well as you're dodging the truth in this thread.

Originally posted by Mindset
Too bad BP couldn't dodge those punches as well as you're dodging the truth in this thread.

Panther had an objective. And he met his objective. He wasn't there to see who the better fighter was.

Originally posted by Vanguard
In the scan you'll notice his energy daggers are blue. That's not their highest setting. IF he was looking to kill Iron Fist they would have been red. Red is their highest setting.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh, I didn't know we are just taking high end feats here.
Do you think Rand can Ko Thor or Surfer with just punches or kicks?

He KOed Bres with his best punch (Who manhandled Thor), and under Priest no less, so yeah.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Panther had an objective. And he met his objective. He wasn't there to see who the better fighter was. He was there to get his skull caved in.

Originally posted by Mindset
He was there to get his skull caved in. And he met his objective.

Originally posted by Vanguard
In the scan you'll notice his energy daggers are blue. That's not their highest setting. IF he was looking to kill Iron Fist they would have been red. Red is their highest setting.

Danny's resistant to energy. It might hurt him, but he's tanked energy that melted metal rods into liquid, and blew apart buildings.

Originally posted by cdtm
Danny's resistant to energy. It might hurt him, but he's tanked energy that melted metal rods into liquid, and blew apart buildings.

They were more than just energy based weapons....they phase through people and objects to strike vital organs.

Originally posted by cdtm
He KOed Bres with his best punch (Who manhandled Thor), and under Priest no less, so yeah.
Scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans?

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For the record, Bres also tossed around Captain Hero there, who repeatedly treated Luke Cage like a lightweight.

Originally posted by cdtm
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First, Bres didn't manhandle Thor there. In fact Thor koed him in the very next page after Tony's armor cancelled his magic.

Second, Danny suckershotted Bres there.

Originally posted by Existere
OP says "which best friend has the best striking feats?"

Danny does.

Iron Fist by his nature has a huge range of showings of striking power. Measuring consistency would really favour Cage, whose power is static and passive, vs. Danny, who can hit harder depending on his chi.
Pretty good way to put it. Thanks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First, Bres didn't manhandle Thor there. In fact Thor koed him in the very next page after Tony's armor cancelled his magic.

Second, Danny suckershotted Bres there.



Thor's pretty obviously struggling there. At the least, Bres is Thor's physical equal.

And defeating Bres by throwing a big iron suit at him is as impressive as hitting pre crisis Superman with a kryptonite club covered in magic under a red sun. Iron is his weakness.

Danny straight up KOed him without weakness exploitation. KOing a peer to Thor is impressive, any way you slice it. Spidey certainly couldn't KO Thor via sucker punch.

Originally posted by cdtm


Thor's pretty obviously struggling there. At the least, Bres is Thor's physical equal. Wut? Landing a few punches suddenly means he was equal to Thor?

It just shorted out his magic. Not his strength.



Hold that thought.

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-13-1.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-14-1.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Landing a few punches suddenly means he was equal to Thor?

And Count Nefaria taking a few punches and knocking Thor down doesn't mean shit either, I suppose?

Come off it. He staggered Thor with a punch, overrode the Odin enchantment on his hammer, and was doing well enough in his shoving match with Thor to make She Hulk worried.

And on top of that, he overpowered Captain Hero, who's stong enough to knock Cage halfway across a city and generally toy with him, and later revealed as Super Skrull.






Bres's magic didn't affect Iron because he's a Fomore, based off Irish folklore, where Iron is used as a ward against supernatural entities. It's the same thing as the Elves or whatever in Thor comic being weak against the stuff.

Danny.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hold that thought.

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-13-1.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/WebofSpider-Man105-14-1.jpg That was all in his head

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That was all in his head

I figured as much.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That was all in his head

Even if it wasn't, Spiderman said 'they tore each other apart'.

^ But it was. Pete confirmed as much at the end of the issue:
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Iron Fist hand down. At this level it's literally his Hat to amp to plot device levels if necessary. So its a bit of an unfair competition because Iron Fist hitting at his hardest is actual plot device as part of the characters kit. For instance take uberpowered brick that the average martial artist stands no chance against. Danny must defeat him but has been unable to tickle him with his skills so far. FAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLCCCCCCCOOOOOOONNNNNNNN PAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNN-------- I mean Iron Fist!!! so yeah

Originally posted by Galan007
^ But it was. Pete confirmed as much at the end of the issue:
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You have everything. So it really did happen? Nice showing for Spidey. Didn't seem real at all and his previous words seemed contradictory.

carver, did you even look at the scans? It was all just a mental illusion--that is what those 2 pages confirm. srsly

Originally posted by carver9
You have everything. So it really did happen? Nice showing for Spidey. Didn't seem real at all and his previous words seemed contradictory.

Where does it say this "really" happened?

Peter mentions something about a soulscape? And, the dialogue doesn't sound like them, or even like they're trying to kill him: "Have you come to terms with what is gnawing at your soul, or must this needless fight go on?"

Originally posted by Galan007
carver, did you even look at the scans? It was all just a mental illusion--that is what those 2 pages confirm. srsly

I read it differently but I guess I can see where you get that from.

Originally posted by cdtm
Where does it say this "really" happened?

Peter mentions something about a soulscape? And, the dialogue doesn't sound like them, or even like they're trying to kill him: "Have you come to terms with what is gnawing at your soul, or must this needless fight go on?"

Yeah, I read that part. Understandable.

Originally posted by Galan007
carver, did you even look at the scans? It was all just a mental illusion--that is what those 2 pages confirm. srsly

Technically no it wasn't all a mental illusion. He was seeing his friends and family when it actually was the Goddess's army fighting him.

Semantics.

The point is that he wasn't really fighting Thor, Wanda, Pietro, Carnage, etc. etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
Semantics.

The point is that he wasn't really fighting Thor, Wanda, Pietro, Carnage, etc. etc.

He actually was fighting Thor, Wanda, Pietro just not carnage or his friends. The panels were showing what was actually happening and the other was showing what Peter saw. All due to Moondragon.

Perhaps I'm remembering it wrong, but Moon Knight's own book tied into this fight.... I think

Originally posted by -K-M-
Perhaps I'm remembering it wrong, but Moon Knight's own book tied into this fight.... I think Ah, good call. Here's the pertinent scene:
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Bwahaha almost as bad as Liefield

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He's got an ass for a chest

The opening splash-page of that issue is vomit-inducing:
http://s24.postimg.org/l9vhxtep1/moon_28.jpg

Funny because the women are fairly grounded in reality but the men are just ****ing massive. Why does Archangel not have a neck for example
Why is Thor's arm bigger than Moondragon's body?

I'm pretty concerned about thor's right arm.

Can you imagine Thor landing a punch with that thing? It would end the universe

Originally posted by cdtm
And Count Nefaria taking a few punches and knocking Thor down doesn't mean shit either, I suppose? Nefarious did more than that. Think.

He is even less powerful than Demon Druid then, who oneshotted Thor twice. Years later Cap oneshotted him with a shield throw. Thor jobbed hard in old Avengers comics.

Suckershot. Look it up.






That's not what it said in the comic though.

Mjolnir looks like a little mallet by comparison..

Originally posted by Galan007
Ah, good call. Here's the pertinent scene:
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So spidey koed Thor. Alright then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cue mungi..........
HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED!!!!!

As for the topic, on average they are pretty much the same (of course with the IF technique) an Cage maybe hits a bit harder, but Danny has better highs

Funny thing is I didn't even see that post. The crew have straight up embarrassed iron fist as well. So there's that.

Consistency is not their strong suit

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
As for the topic, on average they are pretty much the same (of course with the IF technique) an Cage maybe hits a bit harder, but Danny has better highs
Thats more or less what i've come to believe.

I remember they where facing Unus the untouchable,Cage Could do nothing.but Iron fist with his chi,knocked unas into the air,However he said I coldn`t block that all day.But I can put up with it as long as you can,and he was right.I think in the end Cage picked up Unas and his force field and took him to the local police station.before they got there Unus dropped his force feild and Danny k.oed him.

I read that one.
Couldnt find the IF force field punch though, just the Cage lifting scene...

http://berkeleyplaceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_7236.jpg

Originally posted by zom1967
I remember they where facing Unus the untouchable,Cage Could do nothing.but Iron fist with his chi,knocked unas into the air,However he said I coldn`t block that all day.But I can put up with it as long as you can,and he was right.I think in the end Cage picked up Unas and his force field and took him to the local police station.before they got there Unus dropped his force feild and Danny k.oed him.

Not only that, in the first bunch Claremont did, Cage and Danny fought this army of robots. When Cage hit them, he complained he not only couldn't make a dent, but was hurting himself trying.

Then Danny comes along, and wipes out three of them in one punch.

Funny thing is, this comes only a few issues after Cage and Danny fight, and he claims he hit Cage with his best IF, but failed to knock him out. Why would Claremont write Cage as immune to the IF, but then write him as getting his head caved in by a bunch of robots only Danny could damage? Cage was KOed by the robots TWICE. Sort of contradicting his own writing there.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not only that, in the first bunch Claremont did, Cage and Danny fought this army of robots. When Cage hit them, he complained he not only couldn't make a dent, but was hurting himself trying.

Then Danny comes along, and wipes out three of them in one punch.

Funny thing is, this comes only a few issues after Cage and Danny fight, and he claims he hit Cage with his best IF, but failed to knock him out. Why would Claremont write Cage as immune to the IF, but then write him as getting his head caved in by a bunch of robots only Danny could damage? Cage was KOed by the robots TWICE. Sort of contradicting his own writing there.
Luke Cage was originally supposed to be a guy with class 3 strength with class 30 durability. Then the writers forgot about that and stared writing him with strength in the same class. He was only low-street strength in handbooks

^^^True.
The guy could take a punch.

And dish it out. Way before Bendis, he was trading blows with Iron Man, and actually damaged Dooms armor. (Granted, Cage was especially motivated against Doom. )

Originally posted by -K-M-
Consistency is not their strong suit

They're consistent when it comes to jobbing

Originally posted by cdtm
And dish it out. Way before Bendis, he was trading blows with Iron Man, and actually damaged Dooms armor. (Granted, Cage was especially motivated against Doom. )
I swear, that Doom story will never die!

Where is my money, honey?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Where is my money, honey?
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The first meeting between Cage and IF. Cage got back up though:
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The beginning of a beautiful friendship...!