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No Thunder clapping. Who wins?

Does Venom actually have the strength to damage him? I would think not, unless Colossus is a lot weaker then I thought.

I'd change this thread to "how many Colossus punches would it take to turn Venom's famous smile upside down?"

1) Colossus has never thunderclapped sans Juggernaut upgrade.

2) Venom has gone toe to toe with Juggernaut, but nobody knows for certain if an outside upgrade wasn't involved.

It was an amp when he went against Juggernaut. Their first fight, Juggernaut almost killed him and he would've died if it wasn't for the others getting inside his body. Their second fight, Venom was overpowering Jugs. Obvious amp.

Venom actually went toe to toe with Colossus too during Dark X-Men.

Colossus will win through

First, Gargan got a brick in his ugly "detective" face. Then, he stalemated Colossus for one panel. Pathetic "feats", as the rest of Gargan Venom's. Not worth mentioning, in my honest opinion.

Brock was the best symbiote user, maybe he could win, maybe not.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1) Colossus has never thunderclapped sans Juggernaut upgrade.

2) Venom has gone toe to toe with Juggernaut, but nobody knows for certain if an outside upgrade wasn't involved. I know. It wasn't.

Gargan beat Daken, Bullseye, Tiger Shark, and he was giving Hercules hell.

Venom was classified as like a 20 tonner but his feats say differently. He has fisticuffed with Juggs and Hulk and Wolverine and came out looking better than Colossus showings against them (that I have seen) and Venom is faster than Spidey and the symbiote can take whatever Colossus can dish out with its damage soak and advanced healing factor. Along with invisibility,mobility, mind control, stronger webbing, ability to form edged weapons and his own formidable strength, Brock should slaughter stomp any brick under herald level.

But Colossus has to have his entire body made out of metal, and doesn't need to breathe, and can't be cut, and basically negates Brrcks ability to do anything but blunt force trauma and I don't see that happening so...

Stalemate or Colossus eventually catches Venom with a KO. If Venom is able to KO Pete at all its gonna be on the low end. Like 2 outta ten.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Gargan beat Daken, Bullseye, Tiger Shark, and he was giving Hercules hell.
He wasn't giving Herc hell, he was a minor annoyance.

Venom Gargan's track record was one of the worst ever in history of comic books.

Originally posted by SamZED
I know. It wasn't.
Other posters disagreed with you, iirc.

Venom Gargan absorbed the punishment Hercules was dishing out like a champ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Other posters disagreed with you, iirc. Other posters should know better.

Seriously, the toxins were only said to make him crazy, nothing about upgrading him physically and he got rid of them before the last fight anyway.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Venom Gargan absorbed the punishment Hercules was dishing out like a champ.
He was worse than useless. Reduced to being a comedy effect.

Your fascination with the lamest version of Venom is weird.

Originally posted by SamZED
Other posters should know better.

Seriously, the toxins were only said to make him crazy, nothing about upgrading him physically and he got rid of them before the last fight anyway.
Craziness can be considered an amp of sorts sometimes.

Well, if you say he was all ''clean and sober'' in that fight, then I guess it's ok... although toxins have long lasting effects even after they're gone.

Knowsbleed discussed it with you?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Craziness can be considered an amp of sorts sometimes.

Well, if you say he was all ''clean and sober'' in that fight, then I guess it's ok... although toxins have long lasting effects even after they're gone.

Knowsbleed discussed it with you? Dunno, maybe. You have a better memory when it comes to remembering discussions and scenes from books. But I remember they made a pretty big deal about Venom purging the toxins out of his system and being back to normal.

Access crossover agrees with that it seems, as Venom boasts about his fight with Juggernaut. He wouldn't brag if it was under special circumstances.

He almost died in his first fight against Juggernaut. The second and 3rd time they fought, Venom was physically thrashing Jugs. He was obviously amped.

Wanna play it that way...

Spider-Man almost died in his first fight against Matrix Ock. Next time he raped him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wanna play it that way...

Spider-Man almost died in his first fight against Matrix Ock. Next time he raped him.

That is completely different. Venom was 'overpowering' Juggernaut and easily at that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was worse than useless. Reduced to being a comedy effect.

Your fascination with the lamest version of Venom is weird. Hercules was about to be eaten had Sentry saved him.

@carver

It wasn't that bad. Iirc, they went toe to toe with each other.

Sam read the book, so he knows his stuff. Did you read that mini?

I admit I haven't; only seen the scans long time ago. I do know there's some controversy about it, though.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hercules was about to be eaten had Sentry saved him.



Got my sarcasm detector fixed, better late than never.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@carver

It wasn't that bad. Iirc, they went toe to toe with each other.

Sam read the book, so he knows his stuff. Did you read that mini?

I admit I haven't; only seen the scans long time ago. I do know there's some controversy about it, though.

Yeah, I use to own the hard copy..that's why I knew right off hand what fight you were talking about. That's why I know Jugs almost killed him and left him out to die. Venom is then saved by some toxins and is brought back stronger than ever. He was amped. Obvious amp.

You should battlezone Sam about it. High time to spill some Russian blood, you can do it, carver.

Venom was amped by an alien toxin against Juggernaut. It was explicitly stated.

The Venom/Juggs fight was confusing. Venom was saying things like "ooo that tickles" while Juggs is slamming a telephone pole into his face. Got beat badly first round. Came back now bonded with the madness. , I think Juggs actually left cause Venom was weird or he wasn't getting paid, can't remember the second part that well. Been about ten years or so

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You should battlezone Sam about it. High time to spill some Russian blood, you can do it, carver. Most of it is vodka anyway so it's a winwin for Carver.

Seriously guys, Venom was not physically amped, he was never said to be physically amped in any of the issues, the whole story was about him going bonkers because of the toxins. Toxin amp is a myth started because Venom did extremely well against Juggernaut when in reality it was simply a very good showing for him unless I'm misremembering it completely. They fought three times in that story.
First fight - Venom lost but took crazy amount of punishment with a smile on his face, which right there was a sign that he will be written as a challenge to Juggs. He's knocked into toxins and develops like 20 different personalities, voices in his head etc.
Second fight he's under the influence of the toxins and does well for himself.
Before the third fight he purges the toxins and is back to his usual self. Selves.
And he does extremely well again making Juggs bfr himself because durr...

We can waste time looking into it some more but at the end of the day it was a Venom centric story written specifically to show that he can hang with the best of them. If you don't want to take my word for it at the end of the story Venom literally looks through the forth wall at the audience and goes "See? We can totally hang with the best of them!" So let's not over analyze this too much.

Originally posted by SamZED
Most of it is vodka anyway so it's a winwin for Carver.

Seriously guys, Venom was not physically amped, he was never said to be physically amped in any of the issues, the whole story was about him going bonkers because of the toxins. Toxin amp is a myth started because Venom did extremely well against Juggernaut when in reality it was simply a very good showing for him unless I'm misremembering it completely. They fought three times in that story.
First fight - Venom lost but took crazy amount of punishment with a smile on his face, which right there was a sign that he will be written as a challenge to Juggs. He's knocked into toxins and develops like 20 different personalities, voices in his head etc.
Second fight he's under the influence of the toxins and does well for himself.
Before the third fight he purges the toxins and is back to his usual self. Selves.
And he does extremely well again making Juggs bfr himself because durr...

We can waste time looking into it some more but at the end of the day it was a Venom centric story written specifically to show that he can hang with the best of them. If you don't want to take my word for it at the end of the story Venom literally looks through the forth wall at the audience and goes "See? We can totally hang with the best of them!" So let's not over analyze this too much.

Totally forgot about that last part. Good shit Sam. Total stalemate IMO. But if there was a scorecard, Pete would get crushed, way to slow for Brock.

Colossus actually has enhanced speed. He's not a slow brick.

Kinda weird Venom did so well against Juggy, but got his ass handed to him by Prof Hulk (who was Cain's b!tch).

I know he's not, and he is more skilled in actual h2h. Venom is outright faster than Spidey but less agile, nimble. Either way, don't see this really being anything other than stalemate really

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kinda weird Venom did so well against Juggy, but got his ass handed to him by Prof Hulk (who was Cain's b!tch).
Wut? Merged hulk brought Cain to his knees in two punches. When Cain beat him, it was due to Hulk holding back due to not recognizing Cain in plain clothes.

I think Stilt knew that (I hope).

The fight against Juggy in his civies is the only actual... fight. Holding back? Pft. First few blows should've alerted Banner what he's up against. Silly excuses.

@Shadow

More like on par with Spidey's speed, that's what was stated on panel.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The fight against Juggy in his civies is the only actual... fight. Holding back? Pft. First few blows should've alerted Banner what he's up against. Silly excuses.

@Shadow

More like on par with Spidey's speed, that's what was stated on panel.

Only actual fight?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The fight against Juggy in his civies is the only actual... fight. Holding back? Pft. First few blows should've alerted Banner what he's up against. Silly excuses.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by carver9
Only actual fight?
Yes, as the punch-in-the-gut incident was far from being a fight scenario.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, as the punch-in-the-gut incident was far from being a fight scenario.

Why wasn't it a fighting scenario?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsVenom4.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut74
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsVenom4.jpg Wow, Gargan Venom was no where close to giving Pete hell.

I believe Eddie strength would fair no better, unless he plays smart. He would win, but through other means, like suffocation with his strong webbing around Colossus mouth/nose.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Wow, Gargan Venom was no where close to giving Pete hell.

I believe Eddie strength would fair no better, unless he plays smart. He would win, but through other means, like suffocation with his strong webbing around Colossus mouth/nose. Venom is a lot faster than Colossus so he could use his speed also.

@Stilt...

He looked right at Hulk salting towards him in a threatening fashion.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers63.jpg.html

Anybody have than scan of Gargan Venom owning Wonder Man? zopzop posted if a while back.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The fight against Juggy in his civies is the only actual... fight. Holding back? Pft. First few blows should've alerted Banner what he's up against. Silly excuses.

@Shadow

More like on par with Spidey's speed, that's what was stated on panel.
It was an idiotic moment for Hulk but its what is on print.

So, no.

Originally posted by vansonbee
like suffocation with his strong webbing around Colossus mouth/nose.

You realize Colossus doesn't need to breathe, correct?

Originally posted by KingD19
You realize Colossus doesn't need to breathe, correct?

But you do know that if enough webbing was put inside of Colossus he would explode right?

Originally posted by Board Walker
But you do know that if enough webbing was put inside of Colossus he would explode right?

Show me a time when Venom somehow force fed someone stronger and more durable than them webbing. When has that ever happened in comics?

Originally posted by KingD19
Show me a time when Venom somehow force fed someone stronger and more durable than them webbing. When has that ever happened in comics?

Ask and you shall be given!

http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/french.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3428763-7679577381-Marve.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
@Stilt...

He looked right at Hulk salting towards him in a threatening fashion.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsAvengers63.jpg.html

Juggs was playing his part in the ruse to the end, imo.