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yes or no

of course not. Spidey can still beat Panther IMO.

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Forum battle, no jobbing, full capacity... he can't.

In a comic book? Where Strange is sometimes useless and gets pwned by c-listers like Ghost? Sure, BP's chances in a comic wouldn't be bad.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
yes or no

This is a bad place to ask that question. People don't know shit about Black Panther here.

KMC is one of the best message boards and Panther is given lots of respect here.

Originally posted by Vanguard
This is a bad place to ask that question. People don't know shit about Black Panther here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


KMC is one of the best message boards and Panther is given lots of respect here.

Yeah, BP gets TOO much respect here actually.
Thats why i clicked when i noticed this thread, to see if/how many posters would say BP wins.
I am pleasantly surprised.

Seconded.
Black Panther is the latest 'flavour of the month' who can do no wrong on here (it was Iron Fist for a while, and there have been others.). He gets some relatively recent upgrades and suddenly there are absurd claims about his uberness based on not much at all, and ignoring years of feats on the part of opponents who all of a sudden are getting chumped by a character who a year ago they would have walked all over.
Case in point, Black Panther's 'teleportation uberness'. Suddenly - apparently - he is owning Nightcrawler at this, the very skill which actually defines Nightcrawler.
It's stupid.

Hadnt heard THAT one. Wow. Just smh and wow.

I don't think I was clear. He hasn't just owned Nightcrawler in a comic, it was just something I read in a recent post about Back Panther's overall awesomeness.

BP does have some resistance to magic, but a focus Strange should win.

http://i.imgur.com/PlQPVBZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sf4feIk.jpg

So which tier is BP in now with his upgrades in the comics?

Originally posted by The Nuul
So which tier is BP in now with his upgrades in the comics?

Somewhere between Abstract and Over 9000.

Bullshit. Panther has lost literally every fight I've put him in. And he's constantly getting downed on this board. I've even had one poster confirm this.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Bullshit. Panther has lost literally every fight I've put him in. And he's constantly getting downed on this board. I've even had one poster confirm this.
Wow, you had one poster confirm it.

And then you had another poster say otherwise.

That's like two conflicting opinions.

About ONE character?

That's crazy.

Who would've expected it.

Imagine, here, of all places.

Here on a comicbook forum, in the vs section.

A group of people disagreeing on a character.

I just, I just need a minute to process this.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Bullshit. Panther has lost literally every fight I've put him in. And he's constantly getting downed on this board. I've even had one poster confirm this.

Let's look at these fights and consider the mad bias we're supposedly seeing.

Black Panther vs Fantomex:

Fantomex has complex and instant illusions that work on both biological and technological opponents

Black Panther vs Vixen:

Vixen's just way out of his league here, this is an obvious mismatch.

Black Panther vs Bane:

Several people voted Panther, so you're wrong about him losing "literally every fight".

Black Panther vs Puck:

Two people replied, each granting a slight edge to Puck in pure h2h and edge to Panther with weapons.

Black Panther vs Talion:

People voted Black Panther.

Black Panther vs Nemesis:

People voted Black Panther.

Black Panther vs Sabretooth:

People voted Black Panther.

So out of 7 fights, 3 went to BP, 2 to his opponents and 2 even splits.

Yup, you sure were right.

Originally posted by Vanguard
This is a bad place to ask that question. People don't know shit about Black Panther here.
Originally posted by Vanguard
Bullshit. Panther has lost literally every fight I've put him in. And he's constantly getting downed on this board. I've even had one poster confirm this.

Originally posted by Vanguard
Bullshit. Panther has lost literally every fight I've put him in. And he's constantly getting downed on this board. I've even had one poster confirm this.
Oookay.
Agree to disagree about the inline treatment if the fictional character.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Let's look at these fights and consider the mad bias we're supposedly seeing.

Black Panther vs Fantomex:

Fantomex has complex and instant illusions that work on both biological and technological opponents

Black Panther vs Vixen:

Vixen's just way out of his league here, this is an obvious mismatch.

Black Panther vs Bane:

Several people voted Panther, so you're wrong about him losing "literally every fight".

Black Panther vs Puck:

Two people replied, each granting a slight edge to Puck in pure h2h and edge to Panther with weapons.

Black Panther vs Talion:

People voted Black Panther.

Black Panther vs Nemesis:

People voted Black Panther.

Black Panther vs Sabretooth:

People voted Black Panther.

So out of 7 fights, 3 went to BP, 2 to his opponents and 2 even splits.

Yup, you sure were right.

He beats Puck IMO. People aren't giving enough credence to his upgrades. He's defeated people like Black Dwarf, and taken a casual backhand from people like Terrax and kept ticking.

His overall skill is undermined here also.

Originally posted by riv6672
Oookay.
Agree to disagree about the inline treatment if the fictional character.

I agree to disagree....sure.

Yay.

Originally posted by Vanguard
He beats Puck IMO. People aren't giving enough credence to his upgrades. He's defeated people like Black Dwarf, and taken a casual backhand from people like Terrax and kept ticking.

His overall skill is undermined here also.
Listen, troll.

You claimed that Black Panther "lost in every match you put him in", when he won a clear majority.

And this might be a bit hard for you to swallow, but when he wins a fight OFF PANEL it's a bit difficult to gauge his abilities.

I dislike the taste of him retroactively being as good a detective as Batman (with no real feats), and a better leader than Captain America (despite never leading the Avengers). Seems fishy. And i dislike fish.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Listen, troll.

You claimed that Black Panther "lost in every match you put him in", when he won a clear majority.

And this might be a bit hard for you to swallow, but when he wins a fight OFF PANEL it's a bit difficult to gauge his abilities.
People only throw that Black Dwarf "feat" out there because they want BP ranked herald or something. BP had all of Wakanda there with him. Since the actual fight was skipped, it's hard to tell just how much help he had.

Not only that, but BP admitted he probably would have lost had the battle continued. But again, being backed by all of Wakanda does wonders for helping win a fight.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Listen, troll.

You claimed that Black Panther "lost in every match you put him in", when he won a clear majority.

And this might be a bit hard for you to swallow, but when he wins a fight OFF PANEL it's a bit difficult to gauge his abilities.

I'm not trolling dumbass.





And as far as the Black Dwarf fight. It looks like it was pretty much one on one to me.

http://s7.postimg.org/6ody4e3vv/Tchalla10.jpg
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If Black Panther was white, would he be more popular and less hated? I think so.

Black Panther is hated in a thread where people won't give him the win over Dr Strange?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Not only that, but BP admitted he probably would have lost had the battle continued. But again, being backed by all of Wakanda does wonders for helping win a fight. But again, Black Dwarf wasn't backed by the armies of Thanos? Originally posted by Board Walker
If Black Panther was white, would he be more popular and less hated? I think so. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/oh-lord-no.gif

The more I discover BP's mystical feats the more I think with sufficient one sided prep he could beat Strange depending on the circumstances.

Beating Mephisto is a pretty good feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2602557-2288994_blackpanther04p19.jpg

what ever came out of that upgrade stat-wise?

Originally posted by Supermutant
The more I discover BP's mystical feats the more I think with sufficient one sided prep he could beat Strange depending on the circumstances.

Beating Mephisto is a pretty good feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2602557-2288994_blackpanther04p19.jpg I'd think most of the top minds could beat DS with onesided prep.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm not trolling dumbass.
If you're not trolling, then why are you claiming that Black Panther loses every fight you put him in, when he won the majority of those fights?
Originally posted by Vanguard
http://s7.postimg.org/6ody4e3vv/Tchalla10.jpg
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Good job, Black Panther jumped over him once, sick feat

Like I said, the fight happened off panel and we have no idea how Black Panther beat him.

Ebony Panther > Gladiator

Canon

I wish Ebony Dwarf would have stuck around for a fight with Hulk though. And then Ronan could have came out of nowhere.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm not trolling dumbass.





And as far as the Black Dwarf fight. It looks like it was pretty much one on one to me.

http://s7.postimg.org/6ody4e3vv/Tchalla10.jpg
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Post the page after the battle

This thread epitomizes the pro BP stance on the site, easily.

^ Somebody call the waaambulance.

As in Waaam, BP wins again?

Originally posted by Mindset
I'd think most of the top minds could beat DS with onesided prep.

I don't necessarily disagree but BP has magical resistance and thrice bless armor that guys like Tony Stark and Reed Richards don't.

Plus this -- he seems more willing to embrace magic and use it plus since doomwar he's been prepping against magical attacks

Originally posted by ODG
But again, Black Dwarf wasn't backed by the armies of Thanos?
He was.

Which partially contributes to this part.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Since the actual fight was skipped, it's hard to tell just how much help he had.

To answer the initial question of the thread, no, Black Panther can't beat Strange with his upgrades. Just my opinion though.

so BP can't beat strange

No. He cant.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He was. So then don't assume BP was the only one who had help. Because what we saw was the two warrior generals going at it directly and at the end, one ran off while the other was victorious noting that he himself might have eventually lost if the fight kept going.

He never said, "We might have lost." He never said, "Thank you all for helping me, otherwise I would have lost."

And it's not the first time Black Panther has met what appeared to be a supremely overpowering foe and defeated him directly on the fields of Wakanda one-on-one.

BP isn't nor will he ever be the favor of any damn month. If you really think otherwise, go back a few decades and realize that he's been a beast since his first appearance. Yeah, he is that good and there's no need to embellish.

Originally posted by ODG
So then don't assume BP was the only one who had help. Because what we saw was the two warrior generals going at it directly and at the end, one ran off while the other was victorious noting that he himself might have eventually lost if the fight kept going.

He never said, "We might have lost." He never said, "Thank you all for helping me, otherwise I would have lost."

And it's not the first time Black Panther has met what appeared to be a supremely overpowering foe and defeated him directly on the fields of Wakanda one-on-one.
Uh...I didn't.

I don't feel like our posts conflict with each other, so I can't respond with more than that.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Uh...I didn't.

I don't feel like our posts conflict with each other, so I can't respond with more than that. http://media.giphy.com/media/12ZDIx1Mw1cXVm/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
BP isn't nor will he ever be the favor of any damn month. If you really think otherwise, go back a few decades and realize that he's been a beast since his first appearance. Yeah, he is that good and there's no need to embellish.
Embellish is actually what writers have been doing for BP.
Better detective than Batman, better leader than Cap, these are claims i've read here and when i express surprise am told, oh its retroactive.
I'm never going to buy that, or this flavor.

Originally posted by riv6672
Embellish is actually what writers have been doing for BP.
Better detective than Batman, better leader than Cap, these are claims i've read here and when i express surprise am told, oh its retroactive.
I'm never going to buy that, or this flavor.

What do you mean? If writers write a character a certain way, then that's who the character is. There is no embellishing involved. And again, little about BP is new, so I don't get the belly aching. He's always been top of his tier and he's always had great success above his tier from Sabertooth to the White Dwarf to the FF to Namor. What exactly is your problem with this? I bet you were one of those guys who claimed it was "disrespectful" when T'Chaka was shown to have bested Captain America.

Whats with your bellyaching about my bellyaching?
I already gave my reasoning. You not liking it doesnt make my opinion less valid.

About T'chaka...what kind of guys are those guys? Not being one i'd really like to know in case i ever meet one.
I can say "hey you're one of those guys Blue Area Vet seems to have a problem with. Better be careful, yo!"

Originally posted by riv6672
Whats with your bellyaching about my bellyaching?
I already gave my reasoning. You not liking it doesnt make my opinion less valid.

About T'chaka...what kind of guys are those guys? Not being one i'd really like to know in case i ever meet one.
I can say "hey you're one of those guys Blue Area Vet seems to have a problem with. Better be careful, yo!"


No, your opinion is less valid because it is rooted in fallacy. It has nothing to do with what I think and it doesn't matter what you are willing or not willing to buy into. Consistent depictions from multiple writers over the course of decades > your disapproval/disbelief.

And like I said, do some research, expecially before you attempt to be funny: http://marvel.wikia.com/T%27Chaka_%28Earth-616%29

BP has not consistently been depicted as being able to beat Dr.Strange

Mantis said Strange could beat both her and Panther in h2h in Avengers Defenders war, let alone while using magic.

Originally posted by krisblaze
If you're not trolling, then why are you claiming that Black Panther loses every fight you put him in, when he won the majority of those fights?

Good job, Black Panther jumped over him once, sick feat

Like I said, the fight happened off panel and we have no idea how Black Panther beat him.

LMAO, so nothing but negativity and lowballing instead of giving him credit for an incredible accomplishment. Not surprising.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mantis said Strange could beat both her and Panther in h2h in Avengers Defenders war, let alone while using magic.

That was pretty epic.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LMAO, so nothing but negativity and lowballing instead of giving him credit for an incredible accomplishment. Not surprising.

The accomplished feat?

There is no feat.

Here on KMC we go by what we can actually see.

Originally posted by riv6672
I can say "hey you're one of those guys Blue Area Vet seems to have a problem with. Better be careful, yo!"
This might be your best post.

Not sure what's going on with all the recent people who think "scare tactics" are a valid form of argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mantis said Strange could beat both her and Panther in h2h in Avengers Defenders war, let alone while using magic.

Seriously?

Originally posted by krisblaze
The accomplished feat?

There is no feat.

Here on KMC we go by what we can actually see.

He beat him and took credit in the dialogue. Are you seriously questioning whether or not BP defeated him? Funny how you are the only one here on KMC suggesting it's not a feat.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This might be your best post.

Not sure what's going on with all the recent people who think "scare tactics" are a valid form of argument.
Thanks.
And i agree. I'd rather just goof around back and forth like we do on most subjects.

Originally posted by ODG
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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He beat him and took credit in the dialogue. Are you seriously questioning whether or not BP defeated him? Funny how you are the only one here on KMC suggesting it's not a feat.

Far from it.

I'm saying we don't know the context surrounding his victory, how he did it.

It's a null showing since we don't actually SEE HIM DO ANYTHING.

^^^thats pretty cut and dried.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Far from it.

I'm saying we don't know the context surrounding his victory, how he did it.

It's a null showing since we don't actually SEE HIM DO ANYTHING.

We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.

Okay.

How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?

Specifics please.

But succeeding how?
We dont know.
So its a moot point.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He beat him and took credit in the dialogue. Are you seriously questioning whether or not BP defeated him? Funny how you are the only one here on KMC suggesting it's not a feat.

He let fortune take the credit - and we saw how frustrated Black Dwarf also got with Shang Chi/Black Widow.

Besides, it may not have been 1-on-1 in single combat fighting:

https://nerdgeekfeelings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/black_panther_versus_black_dwarf_infinity_marvel.jpg

Not to mention, If you re-read Panther's words, he tells Shuri: 'WE were fortunate'.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Far from it.

I'm saying we don't know the context surrounding his victory, how he did it.

It's a null showing since we don't actually SEE HIM DO ANYTHING.

We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.

There really is no way to spin this, they fought one on one, BP was outmatched on paper but still won.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/13/132594/3279289-new+avengers+v3+009-012.jpg

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.

There really is no way to spin this, they fought one on one, BP was outmatched on paper but still won.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/13/132594/3279289-new+avengers+v3+009-012.jpg

You already replied to this post, and I replied to you.

Please address the most recent post.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay.

How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?

Specifics please.

Personally, i dont mind someone using a noodle incident as a debate point. I just dont think its going to fly.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay.

How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?

Specifics please.

How will it "apply?" Let me restate the point. There are several members of the team- Cap, BP and Spiderman- that have fought well outside of their class and have won. The BP fight with Black Dwarf was an example of this. They will be fighting as a team against Wonderwoman. Given their individual accomplishments against higher tier characters along with other factors previously stated, it's logical that they would have a chance at putting down WW. The question is how much of a chance. I don't know if that is specific enough for your taste but that's how it applies in context.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He let fortune take the credit - and we saw how frustrated Black Dwarf also got with Shang Chi/Black Widow.

Besides, it may not have been 1-on-1 in single combat fighting:

https://nerdgeekfeelings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/black_panther_versus_black_dwarf_infinity_marvel.jpg

Not to mention, If you re-read Panther's words, he tells Shuri: 'WE were fortunate'.

You mean right after he told Shuri "Much more with that monster and I think he woould have beaten me.....I think I broke my hand."? Come on. It's crystal clear that he fought him one on one. He said "me", not "us." When Shuri used the terms "we" she wasn't talking about the fight between BP and BD, she was talking about the entire battle and the "we" refers to Wakandians. Notice how BP's suit is tattered and BD is leaking, but Shuri looks no worse for wear. She wasn't in the fight.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/26661/3316843-0070939866-newav.jpg

So, BP was in there alone?
If not, then the scan just proves he's conceited.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How will it "apply?" Let me restate the point. There are several members of the team- Cap, BP and Spiderman- that have fought well outside of their class and have won. The BP fight with Black Dwarf was an example of this. They will be fighting as a team against Wonderwoman. Given their individual accomplishments against higher tier characters along with other factors previously stated, it's logical that they would have a chance at putting down WW. The question is how much of a chance. I don't know if that is specific enough for your taste but that's how it applies in context.

This thread is about Black Panther vs Dr.Strange.

Not Black Panther + other people vs Wonder Woman.

Please specify how Black Panther's off-panel fight vs Black Dwarf applies to this thread.

Obvious conclusion is obvious: T'Challa was losing, he had broken his hand, and Shuri had to step in to save him. And even so, it was still fortunate that 'they' were able to beat him

I mean, without the fight in question, you cannot say that your interpretation is any more valid than mine, because we never saw the fight in question. We have two panels of him leaping over BD, and we also have the panel I showed of him AND Shuri jumping at BD.

Or BD accidentally tripped over his own shoelaces and fell awkwardly onto T'Challa's hand, dislocating his arm and breaking T'Challa's hand.

That he won, is not in question. But kris' and Style's point is, because we don't know how he did it, it is very difficult to use it on the forums.

Originally posted by riv6672
Personally, i dont mind someone using a noodle incident as a debate point. I just dont think its going to fly.

So you are discounting the victory like I said. That says everything about your bias. It happened, it's fact and it doesn't matter whether you accept is or not. It doesn't matter if you don't accept that BP was shown to be so fast that Sabertooth couldn't focus on him and it doesn't matter than he stopped a charging Elephant, it's all comic book "fact."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Obvious conclusion is obvious: T'Challa was losing, he had broken his hand, and Shuri had to step in to save him. And even so, it was still fortunate that 'they' were able to beat him

I mean, without the fight in question, you cannot say that your interpretation is any more valid than mine, because we never saw the fight in question. We have two panels of him leaping over BD, and we also have the panel I showed of him AND Shuri jumping at BD.

Or BD accidentally tripped over his own shoelaces and fell awkwardly onto T'Challa's hand, dislocating his arm and breaking T'Challa's hand.

That he won, is not in question. But kris' and Style's point is, because we don't know how he did it, it is very difficult to use it on the forums.

Look, I know you are trying to provide a Devil Advocate excuse, but you are a guy with common sense from what I can tell over the years and you know damn well that BP beat him as indicated by the writer and the artist. He wouldn't said HE almost lost if he had outside help from his sister, he would have said he would have lost if you didn't step in. There is absolutely nothing to show or suggest he had any help from her or anyone else againt BD. Not every writer feels the need to spoon feed every occurance to the reader so that they can have a stronger argument on KMC forums. BP beat him, BD didn't injure himself.

You like putting words in people's mouths dont you?
Thats okay, i like not taking you seriously because of it.

Originally posted by riv6672
You like putting in people's mouths dont you?
Thats okay, i like you seriously because of it.

vin

Get a room, you two!

Originally posted by riv6672
You like putting words in people's mouths dont you?
Thats okay, i like not taking you seriously because of it.

No worries, that doesn't matter either. I'm not here to post to your satisfaction.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
vin

Get a room, you two!

Nah, then he'd tell me what type of PPV porn i prefer to watch. That is MY choice. MINE.

Originally posted by krisblaze
This thread is about Black Panther vs Dr.Strange.

Not Black Panther + other people vs Wonder Woman.

Please specify how Black Panther's off-panel fight vs Black Dwarf applies to this thread.

You know what? It doesn't. I have two board tabs up and posted in the wrong thread. Then again, this fight was brought up earlier and you sort of dismissed it saying it was "hard to gauge." Not sure why when the outcome was clear, but whatever.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No worries, that doesn't matter either. I'm not here to post to your satisfaction.
Odd, because you are totally satisfying my need to be entertained. Thank you.

Originally posted by riv6672
Odd, because you are totally satisfying my need to be entertained. Thank you.

Wow, you pleasure youself by downplaying Black Panther's accomplishments? That's different. However you get your freak on is your business.

Riv / Blue Vet live show

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Look, I know you are trying to provide a Devil Advocate excuse, but you are a guy with common sense from what I can tell over the years and you know damn well that BP beat him as indicated by the writer and the artist. He wouldn't said HE almost lost if he had outside help from his sister, he would have said he would have lost if you didn't step in. There is absolutely nothing to show or suggest he had any help from her or anyone else againt BD. Not every writer feels the need to spoon feed every occurance to the reader so that they can have a stronger argument on KMC forums. BP beat him, BD didn't injure himself.

Agreed, except we have a panel showing BOTH Panthers going into battle with BD:

https://nerdgeekfeelings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/black_panther_versus_black_dwarf_infinity_marvel.jpg

So artist shows BPs fighting together, and is bolstered by circumstantial dialogue (WE were fortunate).

Like I said, no one is saying he DIDN'T beat BD. It's just that the circumstances of HOW he beat BD is in question. Solo, with Shuri, with the Dora Milaje, with the White Panther squads, with a giant BP robot armor...or hand to hand, with only his energy daggers, or with his teleportation, or with his increased strength, or a combo of all of them - we cannot say.

For example, would you say beating BD is a strength feat? A skill feat? A speed feat? A tech feat? A prep feat? A combo of all of them? Or maybe just a strength/tech feat? Why not a speed feat? Etc etc etc.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You know what? It doesn't. I have two board tabs up and posted in the wrong thread. Then again, this fight was brought up earlier and you sort of dismissed it saying it was "hard to gauge." Not sure why when the outcome was clear, but whatever.

Ah, so these last days you've been arguing in the wrong thread.

Convenient exit when asked to provide specifics.

It's almost as if you dodged my initial response and then moved the fight off-thread.

Wonder where you got that idea

double post

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed, except we have a panel showing BOTH Panthers going into battle with BD:

https://nerdgeekfeelings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/black_panther_versus_black_dwarf_infinity_marvel.jpg

So artist shows BPs fighting together, and is bolstered by circumstantial dialogue (WE were fortunate).

Like I said, no one is saying he DIDN'T beat BD. It's just that the circumstances of HOW he beat BD is in question. Solo, with Shuri, with the Dora Milaje, with the White Panther squads, with a giant BP robot armor...or hand to hand, with only his energy daggers, or with his teleportation, or with his increased strength, or a combo of all of them - we cannot say.

For example, would you say beating BD is a strength feat? A skill feat? A speed feat? A tech feat? A prep feat? A combo of all of them? Or maybe just a strength/tech feat? Why not a speed feat? Etc etc etc.


No, they are not. Are you not noticing everyone else in the picture? They started off army vs. army lead by both "kings" which is common. AFTER that, you see BP make his way toward BD by wading through his soldiers and they met.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/68cc2e8ad4c8e9637e8d3e556b9e77d4/tumblr_mskgxsq4W31qiknbco1_1280.jpg

BD takes a swipe at BP, BP dodges it and the fight continues. No one else is in the picture at this point. Also, did you forget that Shuri was busy doing this?

http://41.media.tumblr.com/dfdb83ed1c65862bc05f17925bef98b0/tumblr_murqu9SFIl1sk2q1ao1_500.jpg

But why is he wading, when they're actually already face to face?

The original point still stands, though. Tech/Strength/Speed/Skill/Prep feat?

Or, to add another to the table, is it a Magic feat? Which would add to this thread.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Ah, so these last days you've been arguing in the wrong thread.

Convenient exit when asked to provide specifics.

It's almost as if you dodged my initial response and then moved the fight off-thread.

Wonder where you got that idea
Dont put words in his mouth!

But, we've pretty much established BP cant beat Strange, right? Just checking in the actual topic...

Originally posted by krisblaze
Ah, so these last days you've been arguing in the wrong thread.

Convenient exit when asked to provide specifics.

It's almost as if you dodged my initial response and then moved the fight off-thread.

Wonder where you got that idea

LOL, believe whatever you want. Don't be ignorant. Believe it or not, there is a thread I started that involved a five man team vs. Wonderwoman and that's what it was meant for:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t612571.html If you read the thread and think about what I had posted in error, it makes perfect sense. If not, go ahead and beat your chest until it turns pink.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But why is he wading, when they're actually already face to face?

The original point still stands, though. Tech/Strength/Speed/Skill/Prep feat?

Or, to add another to the table, is it a Magic feat? Which would add to this thread.

I said he waded through BDs SOLDIERS on his way to face BD. All you have to so is read.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, believe whatever you want. Don't be ignorant. Believe it or not, there is a thread I started that involved a five man team vs. Wonderwoman and that's what it was meant for:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t612571.html If you read the thread and think about what I had posted in error, it makes perfect sense. If not, go ahead and beat your chest until it turns pink.
So no opinion on this thread?

Just a pathetic retreat?

Originally posted by krisblaze
So no opinion on this thread?

Just a pathetic retreat?

Yeah, Strange would beat BP. Were you appointed the thread keeper? If you are so concerned as to why I entered the thread, I suggest you read my first post. It's pretty clear.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, Strange would beat BP. Were you appointed the thread keeper?
No just curious as to why you kept alternating between two threads.

I'm also curious as to why you're actively arguing for PIS.

Did the rules not sink in?

Originally posted by krisblaze
No just curious as to why you kept alternating between two threads.

I'm also curious as to why you're actively arguing for PIS.

Did the rules not sink in?

Why do you keep asking dumb questions that I previous answered to which you already implied you didn't believe? Do you even know what PIS is?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Why do you keep asking dumb questions that I previous answered to which you already implied you didn't believe? Do you even know what PIS is?
I don't think you do

Why do you keep arguing on behalf of PIS when the forum rules clearly states that we're here to debate without it.

Your argument is "in comics someone weaker has beaten someone stronger ergo someone weaker should win against someone stronger here, hurr durr I wet myself again" - literal rendition of you.

You're dodging this discussion harder than Black Panther dodged Black Dwarf

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't think you do

Why do you keep arguing on behalf of PIS when the forum rules clearly states that we're here to debate without it.

Your argument is "in comics someone weaker has beaten someone stronger ergo someone weaker should win against someone stronger here, hurr durr I wet myself again" - literal rendition of you.

You're dodging this discussion harder than Black Panther dodged Black Dwarf

Wow, you really crack youself up, bro. I see why people have you on ignore. First of all, you are off topic yourself, or didn't you notice that? I think the rules also clearly state that trolling isn't allowed, so don't tell me about the rules here. I have no desire to carry on a pissing contest with someone 17 years my junior, who displays the maturity of someone 27 years my junior. I'll post as I damn well feel like it, boy. You should move on now.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Krisblaze / Blue Vet live show

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I said he waded through BDs SOLDIERS on his way to face BD. All you have to so is read.

You also wrote that they were LEADING their armies. Which meant that they were at the front. As seen in the panel I posted.

So why the need to wade, when in the panel I posted, they were already face to face?

The original point still stands, though. Tech/Strength/Speed/Skill/Prep feat?

Or, to add another to the table, is it a Magic feat? Which would add to this thread.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, you really crack youself up, bro. I see why people have you on ignore. First of all, you are off topic yourself, or didn't you notice that? I think the rules also clearly state that trolling isn't allowed, so don't tell me about the rules here. I have no desire to carry on a pissing contest with someone 17 years my junior, who displays the maturity of someone 27 years my junior. I'll post as I damn well feel like it, boy. You should move on now.

17 years your junior, are you 42 ****ing years old? hahaha.

Your old ass should learn how to read then, and stop rooting for the king of africa in fights where he's desperately outgunned.

I also like how Star and Carver are people.

Your kind of people no doubt

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You also wrote that they were LEADING their armies. Which meant that they were at the front. As seen in the panel I posted.

So why the need to wade, when in the panel I posted, they were already face to face?

The original point still stands, though. Tech/Strength/Speed/Skill/Prep feat?

Or, to add another to the table, is it a Magic feat? Which would add to this thread.

I don't know, but he did wade through the soldiers in the panel I posted, not the one you are referencing. I'm not going to post it again. You should look at it.

As far as you trying to determine what sort of feat it was, that's your thought, not mine. I never termed it a "feat", All I said was that he defeated him, which he did.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I don't know, but he did wade through the soldiers in the panel I posted, not the one you are referencing. I'm not going to post it again. You should look at it.

As far as you trying to determine what sort of feat it was, that's your thought, not mine. I never termed it a "feat", All I said was that he defeated him, which he did.

Well, if it's a magic feat (as in, he used magic to defeat BD), then it had relevance to this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if it's a magic feat (as in, he used magic to defeat BD), then it had relevance to this thread.

As far as the topic, yes. But this thread, as most threads, had a number of side arguments, one of which is that BP isn't that formidable and is simply the "flavor of the month." You did read that, correct? That's what I commented on originally. As I said, I don't think BP as much of a chance against Strange outside of a ton of one sided prep.

Originally posted by krisblaze
17 years your junior, are you 42 ****ing years old? hahaha.

Your old ass should learn how to read then, and stop rooting for the king of africa in fights where he's desperately outgunned.

I also like how Star and Carver are people.

Your kind of people no doubt

I'm 43 and you are a wet, dirty puppy to me. 43 is probably old to you because you because you don't know where your next meal is coming from. Now, let me demonstrate my maturity and cut your neophyte ass off. Have fun talking to the screen on the library computer you are accessing.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm 43 and you are a wet, dirty puppy to me. 43 is probably old to you because you because you don't know where your next meal is coming from. Now, let me demonstrate my maturity and cut your neophyte ass off. Have fun talking to the screen on the library computer you are accessing.

Wut...

Are you trying to make fun of me because I'm poor?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
As far as the topic, yes. But this thread, as most threads, had a number of side arguments, one of which is that BP isn't that formidable and is simply the "flavor of the month." You did read that, correct?

And I trust you read the posts where I said, multiple times, that nobody said that BP DIDN'T defeat BD - correct?

The only thing people have been saying is that due to its nature, it's not really usable - did you read that part? Style has said it, kris too, as have I.

I hope you can see the relevance my questions have. I asked if it was a magic feat, because if he used magic to defeat BD, that's a good feat, and we can use it to strengthen one's argument that he can beat Dr Strange.

If it was a skill feat, you can use it to strengthen your argument that he beats, Wolverine, say (as an example).

If it was a strength feat, you can use it to strengthen one's argument that he can beat Abomination in h2h, for example.

But if you cannot say whether it was a strength/skill/magic etc feat? Then what good is him beating BD, when even the writer/artist cannot say how he did it lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And I trust you read the posts where I said, multiple times, that nobody said that BP DIDN'T defeat BD - correct?

The only thing people have been saying is that due to its nature, it's not really usable - did you read that part? Style has said it, kris too, as have I.

I hope you can see the relevance my questions have. I asked if it was a magic feat, because if he used magic to defeat BD, that's a good feat, and we can use it to strengthen one's argument that he can beat Dr Strange.

If it was a skill feat, you can use it to strengthen your argument that he beats, Wolverine, say (as an example).

If it was a strength feat, you can use it to strengthen one's argument that he can beat Abomination in h2h, for example.

But if you cannot say whether it was a strength/skill/magic etc feat? Then what good is him beating BD, when even the writer/artist cannot say how he did it lol.

You are writing the same thing over and over. I've already responded to that. Now I'll ask you again, did you read where a poster said that BP was simply the flavor of the month or not because you totally ignored my question. Conversation is two way. One person doesn't answer the other persons questions while not getting any of his answered.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You are writing the same thing over and over. I've already responded to that. Now I'll ask you again, did you read where a poster said that BP was simply the flavor of the month or not because you totally ignored my question. Conversation is two way. One person doesn't answer the other persons questions while not getting any of his answered.

You didn't respond to it though, despite my repeated posts. You simply dodged it, by saying:



But then, you also said:

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He beat him and took credit in the dialogue. Are you seriously questioning whether or not BP defeated him? Funny how you are the only one here on KMC suggesting it's not a feat.

Is it a feat or not? Are you the only one on KMC suggesting its not a feat?

I shall make another post, as previously you called me into question over edits.

Yes, I saw wulee's post on him being the flavour of the month. I ignored it, for two reasons: 1, I don't think its true, and 2, wulee is not posting atm, so there's no interaction between us.


BP beating BD happened. No doubt about it.

HOW he did it, is what is being questioned, to gauge it's usefulness on KMC. That is what Style/Kris and I have said, and been saying.

Without knowing how he did it, it has very limited use in a battleboard situation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I shall make another post, as previously you called me into question over edits.

Yes, I saw wulee's post on him being the flavour of the month. I ignored it, for two reasons: 1, I don't think its true, and 2, wulee is not posting atm, so there's no interaction between us.


BP beating BD happened. No doubt about it.

HOW he did it, is what is being questioned, to gauge it's usefulness on KMC. That is what Style/Kris and I have said, and been saying.

Without knowing how he did it, it has very limited use in a battleboard situation.

Great. You took the long way around, but you got there. Wulee's post is what I reponded to initially and that's what drew me into the post. The battle wasn't important to me. I've since said that Strange wins twice. As far as the question of what sort of "feat" BP accomplished in defeating BD, I didn't dodge a thing, I specifically told you I don't consider it a feat of any particular category. How could I when the details of the fight was off panel? I will say that I don't think it involved magic and I think people who are equating BP with magic are off base. The Doom War upgrade was for that story. He did break his long standing rule against using magic and is probably more likely to use it as a resource against magical opponents, which BD is not. It was a victory over a much higher tier opponent. The difficulty you are having is that you are still trying to relate my post to Strange fight, and I'm telling you it has no relevance nor did I ever claim it did.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Great. You took the long way around, but you got there. Wulee's post is what I reponded to initially and that's what drew me into the post. The battle wasn't important to me. I've since said that Strange wins twice. As far as the question of what sort of "feat" BP accomplished in defeating BD, I didn't dodge a thing, I specifically told you I don't consider it a feat of any particular category. How could I when the details of the fight was off panel? It was a victory over a much higher tier opponent. The difficulty you are having is that you are still trying to relate my post to Strange fight, and I'm telling you it has no relevance nor did I ever claim it did.

That's the problem - it has no relevance to ANY battleboard fight. Which is what I, kris and Style have been saying since Page 2.

Because the details are off-panel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the problem - it has no relevance to ANY battleboard fight. Which is what I, kris and Style have been saying since Page 2.

Because the details are off-panel.

If course it does. Defeating an higher tier opponent in physical combat is always impressive and relevant. By the way, Kris has no relevance as a poster.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If course it does. Defeating an higher tier opponent in physical combat is always impressive and relevant. By the way, Kris has no relevance as a poster.

But then we start going round in circles - how can you be sure it was purely physical combat?

Maybe he used magic, or tech, or both - in which case, it is an impressive magic/tech/prep feat.

There's a 'Human Panther without amps vs Punisher' thread here.Can I argue that BP used pure H2H skill in defeating BD, and so, he would utterly rapestomp Punisher?

Also, kris has barely any relevance as a human

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, kris has barely any relevance as a human

Shit I'm not even President of Norway

Originally posted by krisblaze
Wut...

Are you trying to make fun of me because I'm poor? poor people don't deserve the right to interact

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then we start going round in circles - how can you be sure it was purely physical combat?

Maybe he used magic, or tech, or both - in which case, it is an impressive magic/tech/prep feat.

There's a 'Human Panther without amps vs Punisher' thread here.Can I argue that BP used pure H2H skill in defeating BD, and so, he would utterly rapestomp Punisher?

Also, kris has barely any relevance as a human

No to magic because BP is not a magic wielder. Yes to tech because he alway uses some level of tech. We don't see him armed with anything outside of his normal kit.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Blue Vet and everyone gets a turn live show

http://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gif

I'm done here.
This kid has no real argument and just wants to have one.

Strange > BP. Pretty cut and dried.

I did say a while back that I thought Black Panther had a 'flavour of the month' feel about him. I have followed the argument that followed, and I realise now that that was a bit of an ignorant statement. Black Panther clearly doesn't stand a chance against Strange, but 'flavour of he month'? Nah. He's been powerful for a lot longer than I gave him credit for.

He's just such a dickhead though.

Originally posted by wuleecat
I did say a while back that I thought Black Panther had a 'flavour of the month' feel about him. I have followed the argument that followed, and I realise now that that was a bit of an ignorant statement. Black Panther clearly doesn't stand a chance against Strange, but 'flavour of he month'? Nah. He's been powerful for a lot longer than I gave him credit for.

He's just such a dickhead though.

Props to you. But what makes BP a "dickhead?" I could see that description being applied to Stark, but not BP.

Having the cure for cancer and not sharing it with anyone?

Spying on the Avengers?

Bragging all the time about pretty much everything?

Being racist af?

Cuckholding his only friend in v3?

Betraying Namor?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Having the cure for cancer and not sharing it with anyone?

Spying on the Avengers?

Bragging all the time about pretty much everything?

Spying on the Avengers was brilliant. He doesn't brag, that's Stark. As far as the cure for Cancer, there were concerns about what the Western World would do with it by the Wakandians. I don't think that makes him a dickhead, but maybe you do.

- Has cure for cancer that he won't distribute
- Not a dickhead

Pick 1.

so back on topic who wins this?

Throw Galactus and a Celestial on Doctor Strange team and they will probably stand a chance against Panther.

Originally posted by krisblaze
- Has cure for cancer that he won't distribute
- Not a dickhead

Pick 1.
I wouldn't call him a dickhead. When it comes to comics and world changing social issues, it's sort of a given that these heroes don't play god. If he's a dickhead, then you can say that about everyone else who have the capacity for worldwide change. I'm sure Reed and Tony can cure many of the world's ills through their haxed tech. Should Reed lend his expertise on trans galactic travel to all the world's governments? Man as a species would hail him as a hero. Should Tony offer his repulsor technology to solve the world's energy troubles? I'm sure third world countries would benefit.. Or why doesn't Pym lend his teleport tech to city transit authorities? Imagine how productive each individual can be if they never have to sit through traffic or ride the subways like a sardine in a can. Or maybe Thor offering to cure cancer to all patients other than his ex gf? So selfish of him!

Pandora's box here.

If he's a dick, I would choose another reason and would stay far away from anything resembling curing the plague of the 20th century.

Originally posted by krisblaze
- Has cure for cancer that he won't distribute
- Not a dickhead

Pick 1. To be fair, Reed Richards justified never even trying to cure cancer because "natural order/development of humanity" bs.

Pretty sure most of the jerks that call themselves leaders are dickhead atleast Doom is real about his.

Originally posted by ODG
To be fair, Reed Richards justified never even trying to cure cancer because "natural order/development of humanity" bs.

Yup, same thing with most of the super-geniuses.

- Insert Celey's long ass post here-

He has no problem curing his local warlords and shit though.

Black Panther is just a man.

Thor's making a choice not to intervene with human progress.

Panther IS human progress.

Unfortunately that human progress doesn't extend to whitey.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Spying on the Avengers was brilliant. He doesn't brag, that's Stark. As far as the cure for Cancer, there were concerns about what the Western World would do with it by the Wakandians. I don't think that makes him a dickhead, but maybe you do.

Betraying your closest allies and friends is brilliant...?

He does brag, has delusions of grandeur.

I've read that arc, it was a really lame excuse.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Should Tony offer his repulsor technology to solve the world's energy troubles?

...

Read comics, bro.

That's what Tony's TRYING to do, but the world doesn't want to change for better.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Unfortunately that human progress doesn't extend to whitey.

I don't think T'Challa cares about other African nations. If he had, he wouldn't have let them starve to death.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Betraying your closest allies and friends is brilliant...?

He does brag, has delusions of grandeur.

I've read that arc, it was a really lame excuse.



...

Read comics, bro.

That's what Tony's TRYING to do, but the world doesn't want to change for better.



I don't think T'Challa cares about other African nations. If he had, he wouldn't have let them starve to death.


LMAO, are you forgetting what Namor did to the people of his nation? He told him straight up they were at war and that he was going to kill him, so stop with the betrayal nonense. Namor is lucky that the Cabal found it in their black hearts to save his ass. Oh, and you excuse for Tony holding back his repulor tech was beyond lame.

Originally posted by ODG
To be fair, Reed Richards justified never even trying to cure cancer because "natural order/development of humanity" bs.

Exactly!

BP was spying on the Avengers from day one for no particular reason...

Namor has nothing to do with it.

Guys and gals, saying "Other people are dickheads too!" is not a defense against "Black Panther is a dickhead"

They could all be dickheads simultaneously.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Guys and gals, saying "Other people are dickheads too!" is not a defense against "Black Panther is a dickhead"

They could all be dickheads simultaneously.

Defense? He needs no defense against unsubstantiated and rather juvenile charges.

- Ubstantiated claims

- Has admitted to having the cure for cancer

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LMAO, are you forgetting what Namor did to the people of his nation? He told him straight up they were at war and that he was going to kill him, so stop with the betrayal nonense. Namor is lucky that the Cabal found it in their black hearts to save his ass. Oh, and you excuse for Tony holding back his repulor tech was beyond lame. Namor was possessed by the Phoenixforce. Quicksilver was never blamed for Chthon possessing him. The only reason Namor gets blamed is because (i) he's a mutant; and (ii) his pride forces him to shoulder the blame. Namor went behind his own nation's back to request peace revealing he had spies and inside intelligence to T'Challa because he knew the Illuminati had bigger concerns than their nations' petty feud. T'Challa didn't do sh1t to ensure that peace and lured Namor away right when they snuck attack Atlantis.

And Tony isn't holding back his repulsor tech. After the Five Nightmares storyline he was trying to spread it to the world through consumer-grade tech and Mandarin City.

at this entire thread.

anyway, not sure what this is accomplishing, aside from being a poster thread for why people need to use ignore. this is spite.

Using ignore would kill all the fun and even the forum, eventually.

I've put only one person on that list. SasuOna.

we have different definitions of fun. i have about 10 people on ignore. not seeing their constant idiocy only ADDS to my enjoyment of the forum.