Spectre Vs Marvel/DC Gauntlet

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BeyonderGod
Unbound Spectre:
Round 1: Earth-616 Celestial Race
Round 2: Galactus
Round 3: Kismet
Round 4: Eternity
Round 5: Trigon (Full Power)
Round 6: Eclipso
Source Amped Spectre:
Round 1: Monitors
Round 2: Korvac
Round 3: Thanos w/IG
Round 4: Cosmic Cube Moleculeman
Round 5: Cosmic Cube Beyonder
Round 6: The Living Tribunal

abhilegend
He shitstomps Galactus. In before Bran.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
He shitstomps Galactus. In before Bran. ugh. Spectre is garbage. You'd have to wade through an awful lot of shit to reach that conclusion

I'm not sure why the Celestial race is number 1 though.

Golgo13
Stops at Source Amped Spectre. Depending on which incarnation you are using.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Golgo13
Stops at Source Amped Spectre. Depending on which incarnation you are using. It's two different versions running the gauntlet...

relentless1
stops at tribunal

Golgo13
I can see him stopping at a fully powered Eclipso.

SA Spectre stops at LT.

carver9
Celestials kills him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
ugh. Spectre is garbage. You'd have to wade through an awful lot of shit to reach that conclusion

I'm not sure why the Celestial race is number 1 though.
Just like Galactus is full of garbage. Even the weakest Spectre can remake creation as he did in Final Crisis.

Galactus gets his shit pushed in.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Galactus is full of garbage. Even the weakest Spectre can remake creation as he did in Final Crisis.

Galactus gets his shit pushed in. "The weakest Spectre"
"Spectre's highest feat"

Do I need to look at this to point out the issue here?

Like I said, wading through an awful lot of garbage. At least Galactus has an excuse, Spectre is just beaten up for no reason

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"The weakest Spectre"
"Spectre's highest feat"

Do I need to look at this to point out the issue here?

Like I said, wading through an awful lot of garbage. At least Galactus has an excuse, Spectre is just beaten up for no reason
No, that would be fighting Michael Demiurgos.

But yeah, Crispus Allen is the weakest Spectre by far. It was actually explained in the same issue.

Spectre has a built-in excuse too. He is weaker as the host channels the power of Logoz at his level. Galactus just gets hungry and gets beaten up all the time. You think Galactus can remake creation, be my guest.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, that would be fighting Michael Demiurgos.

But yeah, Crispus Allen is the weakest Spectre by far. It was actually explained in the same issue.

Spectre has a built-in excuse too. He is weaker as the host channels the power of Logoz at his level. Galactus just gets hungry and gets beaten up all the time. You think Galactus can remake creation, be my guest. Second/third highest feat then, doesn't matter. If you go by that feat solely, then he would molest most other Spectres.

Didn't Crispus actually finally hone in on his powers there? And then he proceeded to be a disappointment afterwards.

When was the last time that was explained? Honest question? Last I recall is volume 4 or something.

laughing out loud
I never even said who'd win. No need to go forcing feats on me like you're trying to force a debate on me because that always turns out well once I write "walls of texts".

All I'm saying is that Spectre's average is complete trash. His good feats started to become a needle in a haystack once Johns laid his peepers on him. Like I said, wade through a lot of shit.

The difference is that Galactus loses a lot of bad feats once you get away from hunger which is an always prevalent force. Even Spectre's excuses are all over the place.
Galactus it's merely he's not hungry. With Spectre it becomes "What do you choose to accept", which usually turns into highest feats only.

srug

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Second/third highest feat then, doesn't matter. If you go by that feat solely, then he would molest most other Spectres.

Didn't Crispus actually finally hone in on his powers there? And then he proceeded to be a disappointment afterwards.

When was the last time that was explained? Honest question? Last I recall is volume 4 or something.

laughing out loud
I never even said who'd win. No need to go forcing feats on me like you're trying to force a debate on me because that always turns out well once I write "walls of texts".

All I'm saying is that Spectre's average is complete trash. His good feats started to become a needle in a haystack once Johns laid his peepers on him. Like I said, wade through a lot of shit.

The difference is that Galactus loses a lot of bad feats once you get away from hunger which is an always prevalent force. Even Spectre's excuses are all over the place.
Galactus it's merely he's not hungry. With Spectre it becomes "What do you choose to accept", which usually turns into highest feats only.

srug
Yeah, so we should just disregard it. Right?

I knew you would bring Johns. Better than Bendis Galactus though. Even Johns Spectre can turn Neron in popsicle, superman into salt, oneshot thunderbolt, block entire quintessence and had a Asmodel claiming that even Presence feared his power. Just as a story, the last time Spectre went into a Rampage he killed enough magical users that their energy was used to create an infinite multiverse. The last time galactus tried doing that, he got beat up by Kitty pryde and beaten by simple BFR. Beats getting restrained by Presence himself.

Yeah, it was in v4. Got explained in Final Crisis again.

Galactus average is complete trash. You won't see him getting restrained by TOAA because he went on a Rampage. See what I did there? But he has really jobbed to Johns' pet emotional entities and even after that he was able to overpower Parallax in Blackest Night and separate it from Hal. Just because you don't like the character doesn't means you get to just disregard his feats because Johns hates him.

All in all, Spectre assrapes Galactus. Keep on hating though.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, so we should just disregard it. Right?

I knew you would bring Johns. Better than Bendis Galactus though. Even Johns Spectre can turn Neron in popsicle, superman into salt, oneshot thunderbolt, block entire quintessence and had a Asmodel claiming that even Presence feared his power. Just as a story, the last time Spectre went into a Rampage he killed enough magical users that their energy was used to create an infinite multiverse. The last time galactus tried doing that, he got beat up by Kitty pryde and beaten by simple BFR. Beats getting restrained by Presence himself.

Yeah, it was in v4. Got explained in Final Crisis again.

Galactus average is complete trash. You won't see him getting restrained by TOAA because he went on a Rampage. See what I did there? But he has really jobbed to Johns' pet emotional entities and even after that he was able to overpower Parallax in Blackest Night and separate it from Hal. Just because you don't like the character doesn't means you get to just disregard his feats because Johns hates him.

All in all, Spectre assrapes Galactus. Keep on hating though. No. I'm just saying you tried to use "weakest" to mean something, when Crispus was only the "weakest" because he restricted himself to one punishment at a time.

And Bendis Galactus was at dangerously low levels of energy. smile
I just said Galactus at least has an excuse. You bring up an example of him being starving. You're reaching severely.
And you're also contrasting a guy who has had a lot to do with a character's background, to Bendis who got his hands on 616 Galactus once.

I find it funny how you assume this is a contest. You're literally inventing arguments to debate against.
Do you disagree that Johns has wrote a shitty Spectre? yes, or no? Because if yes, then your point is irrelevant.

He got restrained by TOAA because he was crazy, and went overboard. That... that's not saying only TOAA could stop him. Especially when he had trouble with multiple beings way way under TOAA in that arc.
And Parallax was having trouble with Sinestro in the same scene, and Spectre had to use anchors to separate them because he was getting embarrassed by Parallax in a straight up fight. I don't get why you would bring this up as a high feat.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Green%20Lantern%20051%202010%20Digital%20019.jpg

If Johns Spectre is a thing, then Johns Parallax is as well. It's not like he was operating anywhere near Zero Hour levels. erm

The other feats are good. No issues there. I'm not claiming Spectre doesn't have good feats, just that they're buried in there under a well of shit.

Except for Asmodel claiming Presence feared him. That is complete nonsense, and overstating his power.

Also, I'm not sure I really need to look into "Enough magical users to create an infinite multiverse" considering he was trying to eradicate all magic within the main universe. Nor do I think it's relevant considering he was taking breaks to get back to full health left and right, and the most powerful being he beat was Nabu, Shazam? Yeah, he killed a lot of beings, but that doesn't exactly speak of his actual power. It speaks of how many he killed though. Which is neat.



But yeah, anyway:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Green%20Lantern%20051%202010%20Digital%20023.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/thanos0222rd4.jpg


That should solve that issue.


And onto the Revelations feat... I don't know why you would even bring this up to me, and then challenge me so confidently with it. All you did was blatantly misinterpret it. I knew that, but I played along to see where you would try and take this. But you seem to be completely serious so...

Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpg

And farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.html

So, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat. So let's move onto the feat itself.
"The Vengeance he wreaks upon the world, upon God's creation"
"Cain's herald foretells the end of the world"
"The Age of Apokolips on EARTH"

IE the Crime Bible foretells it as only effecting a planet:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20007.jpg

Now, all it was shown to be effecting was Earthly matters:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20029-030.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20003-004.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20025-026.jpg

And of course, it actually only showing to effect the planet itself:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20002.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7


But that's not all. "Like everyone else in the world"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20007.jpg

And here's Cain actually telling Spectre what to do.
"Unmake creation. Rebuild the world in Darkseid's name."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20028.jpg

When Spectre's only direction is to speak the Anti-Life and REBUILD THE WORLD, it's probably best to take that for what it is. The feat was only planetary.

But there's an implication that all Spectre did was spread the Anti-Life Equation throughout the planet as well

"This is a war for God's greatest gift, for your freedom"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20021.jpg

God's gift again
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20002.jpg

Which, if you combine it with Cain spreading the ALE, as well as all the statements in my scans... it's a possibility that all he did initially was spread the ALE. Though him taking it back is pretty impressive. Doesn't matter either way.


But onto your single panel of this being "all creation"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20029.jpg

Which is only speaking about the entirety of creation and their place in it. Them acknowledging that more universes exist does not mean that more universes were involved. You have absolutely no proof that anything beyond planetary ranges was involved besides an admittance later that more universes exist. It's a complete fallacy with no backing.

Hell, you might as well say that Spectre remade Cain and unmade him there... and then punished him separately... this would also count the spear but the statement applies to Cain specifically. Hell this would count Radiant for that matter if we no limit fallacy it like you are...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20009.jpg

Hell the amount you can apply if we use your logic is ridiculous. Radiant, Cain, the Spear, might as well include Heaven while we're at it.

So, the feat was planetary. All proof points to that. Farther dissection and common sense indicate he didn't even actually remake anything but only spread and took away the ALE.
But we'll let you have something.



Also, like I said, Spectre beats Galactus if you wade through a lot of shit. You disagree by that by... wading through a lot of shit to try and make Spectre beat Galactus. Are you using averages or high end feats only? The fact that you blatantly misrepresented a feat for no reason to me says the latter.
Like I said, you're inventing made up arguments in your head and you're implanting them upon me because... I have no idea. I like Galactus so that angers you?
Undecided on average Spectre vs Galactus though. Mind you that soul showing comes in handy. Not that this matters since you're going to make up some arguments anyway that I totally am "saying"

All this is irrelevant anyway as he stops at 1, though I'm looking forward to you butchering Revelations some more.

Insane Titan
That list is shitty as hell

BeyonderGod
Originally posted by Insane Titan
That list is shitty as hell
It seems its not lol

carver9
Lol...enjoy seeing Bran debate. Get him buddy.

BeyonderGod
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...enjoy seeing Bran debate. Get him buddy.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/66/f9/c7/66f9c78ac8658272453661846b77a4e5.jpg

iceman24567
carver be cheerleading somebody get him some pom poms he already has the skirt

carver9
The saying we using in my area is "giving props".

iceman24567
So you already preordered those pom poms gotcha thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No. I'm just saying you tried to use "weakest" to mean something, when Crispus was only the "weakest" because he restricted himself to one punishment at a time. No, because it meant he was the weakest spectre as Spectre was forcibly bound to Crispus allen after DOV. Have you even read the comics?

As if that excuses him standing around for 6 comics and doing nothing.
So does Spectre. You're just hating though.
Johns did nothing to Spectre. The main writers of Spectre are Dematteis and Ostrander. Johns didn't do anything with the spectre except making him job.

Do I? You're the one who thinks just one writer makes Spectre's average trash.
Your entire argument is irrelevant as one writer doesn't makes or breaks an average of a character.

And it caught Presence's attention. When was the last time Galactus caught TOAA's attention? Having trouble is one thing. Grabbing the attention of Supreme being's attention is whole another matter.
I already said he jobbed against Parallax.

Beats getting almost killed by two planets though.

Which is a shit argument to begin with.

Who gives a shit about what you think? The writer was Geoff Johns and he doesn't loves Spectre enough to overhype him.

Haha, what? Did you even read Infinite Crisis and how Alexander Luthor tricked him into providing energy for multiverse? More than what Galactus can say though.



Yeah, the guy who owned everyone in that arc be it Anti-monitor or Life Entity. Real low stuff right there.


Riiiight.


Hahaha, what? Do you even know how spectre works? It is limited by what the host can channel of Logoz. Crispus didn't know about his power. He realized it and remade creation at the end.

You are full of shit as always. I don't even know why I bothered.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure.

Here Cain asks Spectre to un-create creation and rebuild it into Darkseid's image.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Anti-Life13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Anti-Life15.jpg

Once freed, Spectre remakes the creation.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Anti-Life19.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Anti-Life20.jpg

And it was specifically the whole creation, a multiverse.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Anti-Life17.jpg

That was the only time Crispus used Spectre's powers in an effective way, the day he realized he wasn't just a murderer.

"Unmake the creation". "Let what was un-made be reformed".

Yeah, go suck a dick bran.

abhilegend
Who the **** cares?

Again who the **** cares? It was made clear that using ALE Spectre unamde the creation in Darkseid's image and then restored it. You don't like it, nobody gives a shit.

Hahahaha, the nerve of this guy.



Spectre beats Galactus. Simple as that. To even say otherwise is just shit. Heck, just look at their common appearances in DC vs Marvel or JLA/Avengers where Krona fist****ed Galactus like a two bit whore.
Who cares? Galactus isn't Nekron.



Heh, just lulzworthy. Go on about how awesome Galactus is though while defending his honor from Bendis.

abhilegend
Go suck a dick bran.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23166632_DayOfJudgement1-06.jpg

smile

iceman24567
Originally posted by abhilegend
Go suck a dick bran.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23166632_DayOfJudgement1-06.jpg

smile
Stop tempting him bro erm

krisblaze
Well, looks like Abhi's in the right here thumb up


J/k I'm not gonna read all that shit you **** posted.

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Go suck a dick bran.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23166632_DayOfJudgement1-06.jpg

smile The Presence itself fears... A fraction of itself? Lol, that's just f*cking stupid.

quanchi112
Stops at 1.

BeyonderGod
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stops at 1.
Quan Chi go home you drunk.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Galactus is full of garbage. Even the weakest Spectre can remake creation as he did in Final Crisis.

Galactus gets his shit pushed in.

Do you think that 90's phase makes you cool?

Blue Area Vet
The Celestials? Dude doesn't get outta round I.

Golgo13
Celestials are cosmic ninjas. Spectre wins with a wave of his hand.

BeyonderGod
Originally posted by Golgo13
Celestials are cosmic ninjas. Spectre wins with a wave of his hand.
This if a doom with a finite amount of beyonders energy can solo lol Spectere clears and he did face Anti-Monitor also.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Goo Goo Gaga
No, because it meant he was the weakest spectre as Spectre was forcibly bound to Crispus allen after DOV. Have you even read the comics? Have you? I blatantly posted the scans later which you ignored. I repost them here. Will you ignore them?

Probably.

But if that's all Bendis did, then I'm not sure of the point of bringing it up?

Am I supposed to be upset that Galactus stood around or something? If only. It was a shitty event. But Bendis had his hands on Galactus a lot less than Johns had his hands on Spectre again.

I'm not hating, I'm disappointed in what became of him. He became a giant joke that has barely anything of note anymore.

Ignoring Johns, what does he have in way of high feats? Day of Vengeance, the Michael fights, a lot of lip service, being fed a ton of power to defeat Anti Monitor, beating Azmodus a couple times, fighting Shathan a couple times, and what, Zero Hour?

Then he has a lot of just average feats, and even a lot of low feats... ignoring Johns.

It's not like I'm just using Johns to bring down his average, it's just that Johns is the one who seeks to do that. It factors in.
I realize he has high feats. But with the amount of low feats Johns has wrote, it's hard to ignore. Ergo, you have to wade through a lot of shit.

Oh yeah, the other higher feat related to DOV, Mxy. But let's see what you think about that:
Originally posted by Astner
Oh yeah. I remember that, the Spectre de-powered him by taking away his magic.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5089/mxyfx1.th.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
^That was a continuity error as mxy's powers aren't magic based. Mxy still wins.


Yes, you are inventing arguments to try and argue against. You being possibly right in that situation doesn't mean you aren't making shit up. Realize this.

But you think Johns wrote a shitty Spectre so... not relevant?

But the issue is Spectre's average wasn't that great before hand. Once Johns came in it just plummeted. So yes, and considering Johns almost primarily wrote anything involving Spectre since Rebirth to the end of DC... except for that Eclipso "killing" Spectre series... Johns has wrote a lot of Spectre. Which is what I said.


Come on. Spectre is directly connected to God. You're being ridiculous.

And it caught Presence's attention because Spectre was being a naughty boy, not because he was threatening Presence's power or whatever the hell you're trying to argue here. I don't think anyone knows what you're tactics are anymore. They're pretty nonsensical.


Anyway, the scans because really.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2035.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2037.jpg.html

What happened was the equivalent of a bad parent ignoring his ass hole son until his son severely hurt someone.
It's meaningless. It has nothing to do with power, besides the actual battles.

God didn't go "Hey, you guys know this Spectre guy that I in no way directly interfere with in comics all the time? Yeah, him, get this, this guy just killed Nabu! Yeah, NABU! See if he can do that, there's no telling what he could do to me! I better directly interfere like I totally don't do all the time, because I in no way am a large part of Spectre's history."

So why would you even bring it up? That entire issue was a complete embarrassment to Spectre.

He helped pull apart Parallax. That's it. It was made pretty clear in that issue he was below him.

Are you that desperate to try and make Spectre not look like a divine Rhino or something?

Considering those planets with a nuke almost killed a dimension eater...

Probably not. Also literally stated to be weakened at the time. smile

Wait wait wait
Two whole planets, let's try one.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/mxymite_spectrekill1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/mxymite_spectrekill2.jpg

shifty

I'm waiting a couple months down the line for you to slowly phase out the "he unmade all creation" though and move on to the next "super feat".

You give a shit what I think. You blatantly tried to goad me into an argument and now you're realizing you made a mistake. So naturally the best course of action is to try and discount my opinion... which you wanted in the first place. laughing out loud



Spectre isn't even close to God's level. You're using a retarded statement to try and prove a point.

"The writer doesn't love Spectre, so naturally I can use hyperbole from that writer."

What a sack of shit of an argument. Even your blatant lying about the "unmaking" creation doesn't hold a candle to this. And you later post it again in an effort to lash out at me too. You obviously think highly of it.

It's ****ing hyperbole. Galan knows it, I know it, you know it. It has literally no basis and Spectre is absolutely nothing in face of God. Why would God be scared of a loose hair?

Oh I see your problem here. That's my mistake, I assumed I didn't have to talk in a way a baby would understand.

I'm merely stating that you're arguing one universes worth of magic is enough to bring back 52 universes worth of power. Which is why I figured I wouldn't have to even reread the story. Normally I do that when responding, but you're so non threatening that I didn't figure the need to do so. Adapt to the nonsense you say... that you plan out for apparently as evidenced by your repost here from another thread, but we'll get to that... laughing out loud

It was such a cluster**** of random things that it's hard to pinpoint it down as one single thing.

Basically, do you assume Anti-Monitor had the matter and anti matter of the universes inside him in the first place?

Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well.

In a short version account of it.

I'm not denying it was a lot of energy, I'm just saying it enough of a cluster**** to make it questionable.

Hell, maybe I'm wrong, and it only supplied the energy needed to find the universes.

I'm genuinely not sure. And I don't care to read too far into it as it's completely irrelevant to Spectre anyway.


All that power was floating about anyway. You'd think 52 universes worth of energy would have at least destroyed the planet. You'd think the tower exploding would have at least killed Nightwing and Cassie when they were point blank:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Infinite%20Crisis%2006%2031.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Infinite%20Crisis%2006%2032.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Infinite%20Crisis%2006%2033.jpg.html

But that's not really a good point. I just posted it just because. Curious how you overreact though.


But onto the real point. Spectre was blatantly using that wild magic to his own needs once he started taking on real threats.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2033.jpg

Which started after he absorbed a shitton of magic from the Rock of Eternity and Shazam:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Day%20of%20Vengeance%2006%2018.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Day%20of%20Vengeance%2006%2019.jpg.html

IE, everytime he killed or released another being, he had more power freely floating around that he could manipulate to his own needs. And that's if he wasn't absorbing it. Everyone prior to his Shazam fight was really small fries in contributing that magic to the universe. Once the Rock of Eternity broke and he started killing lords of Chaos and Order... he was freely using the lingering power to do so.

Not only was it not his power that accomplished the Anti-Monitor fueling, but he was using that power to accomplish his goals.

It's not relevant to Spectre. It was not all Spectre's power that killed these beings, and it was not Spectre's power that contributed to this.

He killed a lot of weaker beings than him that added to a lot of free floating power in the universe. I don't even understand why this is a point. This is coming from the guy who tries to downplay any "chain reaction" feat.

He did not supply the power. He did not overcome that power all at once. He went on a murder spree. That's it. If someone kills 100 hookers over the course of a career it doesn't mean he can kill a 100 hookers at once.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, the guy who owned everyone in that arc be it Anti-monitor or Life Entity. Real low stuff right there. Let's go through this nice and easy and slow.

Nekron has no soul
Spectre can't pass judgement on him because he has no soul
Spectre is useless against him

Galactus has no soul

Somehow this isn't relevant information to use? I'm not drawing correlations between Galactus' power and Nekron's, I'm only pointing out similarities in the two characters.

Think before you post.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, what? Do you even know how spectre works? It is limited by what the host can channel of Logoz. Crispus didn't know about his power. He realized it and remade creation at the end. And Crispus was only limited because he was holding back the power in that series. It wasn't God, it was literally him holding back the power. In fact, you even said it was explained in this series.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it was in v4. Got explained in Final Crisis again.

And this is where it was explained. Don't backtrack now because I didn't just blindly take your word for it and looked at the comic.

But do explain how you're getting mad because I posted these two statements to show how Spectre was weaker:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/39796036-2004-4d2b-8733-2fde0607fa7f.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/5c11d67b-3fe0-4124-8631-391496804c9a.jpg


That is how it was explained that Crispus was weaker in that series. And your argument is that he remade all creation. If we use the story as to why Spectre was weaker, then he was weaker because he exacted vengeance one soul at a time. Dealing with all creation overrides that. IE, Spectre was not weaker when he accomplished the feats. You are wrong. The proof you ****ing pointed to shows you're wrong.

This is fun.


Originally posted by abhilegend
You are full of shit as always. I don't even know why I bothered. The irony in this is palpable. You're literally making up your own interpretation and ignoring all evidence just because it said ALL CREATION included other universes in a statement not even relevant to the feat. It never said Spectre was remaking all creation. It just said creation, and it mentioned a world everytime.

But yeah, reposting the feat and an unconnected statement certainly prove your point. Where in the unconnected statement did it say he recreated all reality? "This statement was in the comic, and although it was never applied to the feat or anything else besides Crispus' location in the multiverse, it definitely means he recreated it all. I'm mad you don't blindly swallow my shit. So mad."

Serious question, but can you not read? Like I forgive the initial assumption of the feat because it wasn't presented to you so in your face like. But I can't see how you still think I'm full of shit when I actually used scans instead of twisting things.

But anyway, let's go through this because we can't have you reposting choice scans from things I already posted and twist them to mean in someway what you're saying.
Here is Vandal Savage telling Spectre what to do:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/d4154556-5c74-49af-820f-ac24e1e0859f.jpg


"WORLD" not universe, not multiverse
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/77e12cc3-72d8-4f05-b27a-016371f02064.jpg


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/39987184-0255-4cd7-aa7c-f0aaf00f90ab.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/e23f9687-3208-430d-9fc7-2a1abc7fd276.jpg



It's pretty obvious this only pertained to a planet. Once you accept this, which you won't because you have a blindfold on right now... but if you accept this, we can move on to the implication that it was only the ALE being spread.

To reiterate, when Cain told Spectre to do this, he told him to remake the world. Open and shut case. Open like your mouth, and shut like your mouth never does. Case, like how hard your head is.



Originally posted by abhilegend
"Unmake the creation". "Let what was un-made be reformed".

Yeah, go suck a dick bran. Why are you so mad anyway? You don't even like Spectre. You just hate Marvel.

Or are you mad because you're wrong. Like the lashing out came out of nowhere. I thought I was pretty civil here. All I did was say Spectre jobs. Are you mad because of Spectre, or because you are so plainly wrong?

I'm going with the latter. Sad showing really. It's also funny how the biggest part of your point being so plainly disproven is only met with insults and a repost. I don't even know why you would reply at all with such a sad showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who the **** cares?

Again who the **** cares? It was made clear that using ALE Spectre unamde the creation in Darkseid's image and then restored it. You don't like it, nobody gives a shit.

Hahahaha, the nerve of this guy.
"Who cares... just accept my interpretation please."

But yes, who cares when we extend your no limits fallacy to include things it should? I know you don't since making it look meaningless tries to diminish my point, but it's what it is. If Spectre remade all of creation based on a non related statement then why would that not include... everything? Michael, Lucifer, Hell, Radiant, etc.

Who cares lol, lol lol, who cares? Come on, the desperation from you is plain to see. I don't get how one who prides himself on seemingly misinterpreting every comic can make desperation so obvious to see. If only your reading ability matched people's ability to read your desperation. You'd be in tip top shape.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre beats Galactus. Simple as that. To even say otherwise is just shit. Heck, just look at their common appearances in DC vs Marvel or JLA/Avengers where Krona fist****ed Galactus like a two bit whore.
Who cares? Galactus isn't Nekron.
Maybe so, but Spectre doesn't beat Galactus based off your argument that's for sure.

Also, if it's so obvious, why would you even try to goad me out? Maybe I should go into a Superman vs Odin thread and start calling you out. Yeah, because that makes sense.

lol at JLA Avengers. The arc specifically not supposed to be used here is being used. Surprise.

Anyway, I followed your quicklink. Apparently you've been using that feat since last year in an attempt to get one over on me:
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

That's Bran's cries you hear in the distance. Now there is an idea for my next sig.

I wasn't even on for like 3 months during that time. It's hilarious how long you've tried to "get me" with this totally cool feat that would be totally relevant to anything because of my longstanding obvious opinion on Spectre vs Galactus.

And you've known about this for over half a year and you still misinterpret it so bad? What's wrong with you?

Like I said, you just make up shit in your mind and start arguing with that. Because I'd have an issue with Spectre actually recreating reality or something? I don't know what your focus was with this but it's entirely pathetic.

And it's not like Galactus hasn't fought beings with the ability to actually re-create "all" reality anyway:

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/NewWar-47-03.jpg.html


I don't much get it tbh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, just lulzworthy. Go on about how awesome Galactus is though while defending his honor from Bendis. laughing out loud

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. That pesky Bendis really has been a focal point of mine lately in regards to Galactus.



But anyway, I find the parallels between this argument and DOV too interesting to pass up.

You have the foolish being lashing out at every chance
You have Daddy just sitting idly by while baby keeps doing shit to get his attention, or just in general ruin everything.
Then you have baby going too far, and now Daddy has to come and put him back in his place.

You're the baby. I don't even know why you would call me out. You know exactly what's going to happen. I don't even know why you would try and call me out since October on this feat for whatever reason. Like... what sort of shit is this?

I don't know if I pissed you off or something recently, but this is quite fun for me. You continue trying too, and I've largely ignored your shit because I don't dislike you anymore, but with all the tears you're flinging at me, all it does is make me happy.

You try and be civil and someone has an emotional roller coaster because of it. Tsk tsk. This coming days after you cried about Celey insulting you.

Maybe next time I'll just go on an insult train to make your tears worth it.



Also "Here's a picture of hyperbole that is completely unsupported and against a being that would finger flick Spectre's head off. Eat a dick, I'm mad." laughing out loud

Galan007
You didn't post enough, Bran. thumb down

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Galan007
You didn't post enough, Bran. thumb down I'll make up for it next time. thumb up

Though it's tough to argue with blatant misinterpretations and someone being proud of doing so, and just sheer unbridled pain.

Galan007
You've been picking the worst(in an aggravating way) people to get into debates with these last few days... I don't envy you. thumb up

Branlor Swift
Should have knew something was up when Abhi was goading me, oh well this isn't bad.

Quan though...

You gotta seep to quan's level to have any hope there. You can't talk sense into him because that's for your and everyone else's benefit. I forgot how bad Quan is simply put.

The guy's been arguing with a word for word repost for like 7 pages straight in the movie vs. I just... don't know.

Galan007
What do you expect? The guy has been around ~8 years, and has ~116,000 posts to his name. That works out to ~40 posts every single day of that 8 years... Or ~14,500 posts every year. srsly

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by carver9
Celestials kills him.

Do I really need to stomp you here too?

No they don't.

Branlor Swift
I thought Quan died or stopped coming on or something but here I find out last night (I think) by accident the Movie vs was a place.


That place hates quan. He must have just went wild there while he hid from here.

Galan007
The Everything vs. Forum(or w/e it's called) created an "Argue with quan about Zelda" thread that now has over 1,700 responses, ffs:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t581817.html

What he does... It's just not healthy.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Galan007
The Everything vs. Forum(or w/e it's called) created an "Argue with quan about Zelda" thread that now has over 1,700 responses, ffs:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t581817.html

What he does... It's just not healthy. laughing out loud

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I thought Quan died or stopped coming on or something but here I find out last night (I think) by accident the Movie vs was a place.


That place hates quan. He must have just went wild there while he hid from here. I am amazing. You have been here hoe many years and just discovered the movie versus forum.

laughing out loudOriginally posted by Galan007
The Everything vs. Forum(or w/e it's called) created an "Argue with quan about Zelda" thread that now has over 1,700 responses, ffs:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t581817.html

What he does... It's just not healthy. When I want to debate something it gets debated and then some.

Galan007
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wheh I want to debate something it gets debated and then some. Agreed.

Branlor Swift
The quality however...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The quality however... The butthurt continues. Let me know when it's over.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by quanchi112
The butthurt continues. Let me know when it's over. Concession accepted

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Concession accepted Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by quanchi112
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Based on ?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Based on ? You trying to actively be like me. Single white bran.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by quanchi112
You trying to actively be like me. Single white bran. Scans?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Scans? You're not worth a scan.

Galan007
Low blow, quan. Low blow. srsly

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're not worth a scan. Refusal to post proof ?
Concession accepted. Good game easy win.

Now I'm not derailing a topic just because you had a meltdown earlier. Get over it. thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Refusal to post proof ?
Concession accepted. Good game easy win.

Now I'm not derailing a topic just because you had a meltdown earlier. Get over it. thumb up You derailed this thread with me. You've been mad since the secret wars thread. I say the spectre stops at one. Just let it go already.

cdtm
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"The weakest Spectre"
"Spectre's highest feat"

Do I need to look at this to point out the issue here?

Like I said, wading through an awful lot of garbage. At least Galactus has an excuse, Spectre is just beaten up for no reason

Hey, just because he had trouble with Anti Monitor.

And Nekron.

And Abraxus.

And Parallax.

And a big yellow bug.

And Joker.

And... Libra. roll eyes (sarcastic)


The best Spectre's ever looked was vs Great Evil Beast. Got chewed up and spat out as usual, of course, but Moore did a really good job building him into this beast of a cosmic god, like no one's ever really done with him..

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by quanchi112
You derailed this thread with me. You've been mad since the secret wars thread. I say the spectre stops at one. Just let it go already. You already conceded. Let it go pal.

But I see you agree with me he stops violentally at one. thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You already conceded. Let it go pal.

But I see you agree with me he stops violentally at one. thumb up No, I did not. Accepting imaginary concessions and trying to imitate the master himself isn't hesthly. Just be happy being you.

I know you're from Canada and all but I try not to hold that against you.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, just because he had trouble with Anti Monitor.

And Nekron.

And Abraxus.

And Parallax.

And a big yellow bug.

And Joker.

And... Libra. roll eyes (sarcastic)


The best Spectre's ever looked was vs Great Evil Beast. Got chewed up and spat out as usual, of course, but Moore did a really good job building him into this beast of a cosmic god, like no one's ever really done with him.. King of Tear

And Neron

And Lkz

And Cain

And the Butcher

And the Rainbow Corps

And Kulak

And Radiant

And Eclipso

Yeah. You could go on for a while. Spectre is pretty unimpressive. Decent highs. A lot of lows. His highest feats are losing to Michael...

He's basically a more powerful Martian Manhunter. One day I might look through all his appearances to see the full extent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I did not. Accepting imaginary concessions and trying to imitate the master himself isn't hesthly. Just be happy being you.

I know you're from Canada and all but I try not to hold that against you. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Scans? Originally posted by quanchi112
You're not worth a scan. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Refusal to post proof ?
Concession accepted. Good game easy win.

Now I'm not derailing a topic just because you had a meltdown earlier. Get over it. thumb up




Anyway, enough being stupid. For real. Quan will argue and defeat himself with his own logic. Guy probably would have argued had I just quoted him. laughing out loud

Sad thing is that's the only way to get under his skin.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
King of Tear

And Neron

And Lkz

And Cain

And the Butcher

And the Rainbow Corps

And Kulak

And Radiant

And Eclipso

Yeah. You could go on for a while. Spectre is pretty unimpressive. Decent highs. A lot of lows. His highest feats are losing to Michael...

He's basically a more powerful Martian Manhunter. One day I might look through all his appearances to see the full extent.






Anyway, enough being stupid. For real. Quan will argue and defeat himself with his own logic. Guy probably would have argued had I just quoted him. laughing out loud

Sad thing is that's the only way to get under his skin. So joking around turned into the debate if your life. You really wanted scans. laughing out loud

I could have posted the quote where you said you're going to outquan quan but you're upset enough already. You had a meltdown before me. Others spotted it and it was so bad you followed me into a forum you've never been to prior.

abhilegend
Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

Originally posted by I'm a Dick
Have you? I blatantly posted the scans later which you ignored. I repost them here. Will you ignore them?

Probably. I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation."

Uh, everything?

You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right?

You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like.

Sure, sure.

Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character.



What does Mxy has to do with this?


Not really.

Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character.

Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average.


Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone.

Or because he killed Nabu and ended an age of Magic in its entirety.


Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over.

Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash.

I already said that he jobbed to Parallax.

Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this.

Oh yeah, that's just so good. How about someone twice as powerful as him dying by a planet blowing up?

Omega wasn't weakened though.

Bat-mite throwing a planet isn't a planet blowing up though.

Yeah, sure. Didn't you say that Spectre was the one who was responsible of Damage going big bangy? Right?

Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus.



Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

abhilegend
Ha, it did struck a nerve.

laughing out loud

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you.

Right.

Nah, infinite universes. Yeah, right.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23168988_shift.jpg

You are not even trying now.

WTF are you talking about now?

The energy came from the magic. Its stated as plainly for someone like you to understand as it can be.

No, its not.

Bwahaha.

Sure, everything is irrelevant.


Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan.

Too bad of a job to provoking me though.


It blatantly said that he did that only for killing Nabu. But it speaks of Nabu's power level more than anything else.

To repower himself. But that's neither here nor there.

WTF? He did it once against Nabu. You are saying he did it everytime? GTFO. No, he didn't.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.



Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Let's go through this nice and easy and slow.

Nekron has no soul
Spectre can't pass judgement on him because he has no soul
Spectre is useless against him That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR. Spectre can't judge soulless beings? I'm sure he can blast the shit out of them though. Just like he has done to several soulless beings before.

Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though?



Yeah, that's right. What's your point though?


Explained? Haha, what? Since when creation means planetary when the universes are mentiones in the same series?

Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time.

How does "dealing with all creation" override the fact that he was holding his power back in all previous instances?

For me, it sure is.


Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now.

Right.

Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it.

"Unmake creation" is somehow forgotten. Nice try though.
"God's creation". I liked how Earth is the only creation in the universe of God. But good point in pointing out your own hypocrisy.



Hahaha, its like you haven't actually read the comic but only the panels where "world" is written, ignoring everything else.

"Creation", "God's creation". Take an eraser and erase those words from the panels first if you think its just "world".



Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil.

LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran.

That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic.

Sure, why not? If you think ALE effected all creation which included characters more powerful than even Spectre, that is.

Ha, "desperation" "You're desperate". Why don't you just write it in every line and forget everything else? It'd save a lot of time for both of us.


He sure does.

Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit?

Doesn't mean its not canon though. For DC it is. Guess where Spectre is from?

Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right.


Haha, someone is sure full of himself.

More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene.

More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof.

Sphinx that fought Galactus and recreated all reality? Heh, I don't know what you're smoking but that's not the sphinx Galactus fought and that's a single timeline that Sphinx altered. But yeah, go with totally unrelated feats and fights. Why don't we go with Spectre fighting Parallax who actually could have created countless universes as an average or helping in creating infinite Hypertime with Damage's big bang?


Of course you don't.

Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me.

abhilegend
Uh, sure?

Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass.

I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you.

Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point.





Uh-huh.

beatboks
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
King of Tear

And Kulak

And Eclipso

.

In what way may I ask could anyone possibly consider these low feats???

King of Tears is massively over Spectre
Kulak mm is the destroyer of worlds and could destroy a world from a distant dimension. He stomped classic Fa t e in barely a panel. PLUS he possessed the ring of life at the time (A talisman that would make a snail as powerful as Spectre)

krisblaze
Why should it be a given that these guys beat the Spectre?

He's supposed to be god's wrath...

Kulak could destroy worlds from a distant dimension? That's not a particularly high feat for someone who's supposed to be clearly above the Spectre. Especially not when Abhi's selling the Spectre as someone who can unmake and remake the multiverse no expression

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by beatboks
In what way may I ask could anyone possibly consider these low feats???

King of Tears is massively over Spectre
Kulak mm is the destroyer of worlds and could destroy a world from a distant dimension. He stomped classic Fa t e in barely a panel. PLUS he possessed the ring of life at the time (A talisman that would make a snail as powerful as Spectre) That would be the average then. Once I saw Nekron I thought we were just naming people he looked pathetic against once or twice.

beatboks
Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should it be a given that these guys beat the Spectre?

He's supposed to be god's wrath...

Kulak could destroy worlds from a distant dimension? That's not a particularly high feat for someone who's supposed to be clearly above the Spectre. Especially not when Abhi's selling the Spectre as someone who can unmake and remake the multiverse no expression

He was able to do that when the presence himself had denied him entry into the dimensions of life. Despite the fact that the almighty was blocking him from entering the universe of earth 2 he was able to influence every single bei g on earth and cause global level events.

cdtm
Originally posted by beatboks
In what way may I ask could anyone possibly consider these low feats???

King of Tears is massively over Spectre
Kulak mm is the destroyer of worlds and could destroy a world from a distant dimension. He stomped classic Fa t e in barely a panel. PLUS he possessed the ring of life at the time (A talisman that would make a snail as powerful as Spectre)

Worf Effect. When a character who's supposed to be badass, always loses to show off how much tougher a villain is. Spectre's actually worse about taking beat downs then Worf was.

Getting crushed by a bigger threat is common on the cosmic scene, but Galactus also gets moments to shine against Celestials, or the In Betweener, or getting to be the last cosmic heavyweight standing against the Galactus engine.

While Spectre, he doesn't really get these moments. If a threats big enough to warrent his involvement, it's usually a sure bet he'll be jobbing after a good showing at best, to being outright useless at worst.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No need to go forcing feats on me like you're trying to force a debate on me because that always turns out well once I write "walls of texts".
srug

next post:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No. I'm just saying you tried to use "weakest" to mean something, when Crispus was only the "weakest" because he restricted himself to one punishment at a time.

And Bendis Galactus was at dangerously low levels of energy. smile
I just said Galactus at least has an excuse. You bring up an example of him being starving. You're reaching severely.
And you're also contrasting a guy who has had a lot to do with a character's background, to Bendis who got his hands on 616 Galactus once.

I find it funny how you assume this is a contest. You're literally inventing arguments to debate against.
Do you disagree that Johns has wrote a shitty Spectre? yes, or no? Because if yes, then your point is irrelevant.

He got restrained by TOAA because he was crazy, and went overboard. That... that's not saying only TOAA could stop him. Especially when he had trouble with multiple beings way way under TOAA in that arc.
And Parallax was having trouble with Sinestro in the same scene, and Spectre had to use anchors to separate them because he was getting embarrassed by Parallax in a straight up fight. I don't get why you would bring this up as a high feat.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Green%20Lantern%20051%202010%20Digital%20019.jpg

If Johns Spectre is a thing, then Johns Parallax is as well. It's not like he was operating anywhere near Zero Hour levels. erm

The other feats are good. No issues there. I'm not claiming Spectre doesn't have good feats, just that they're buried in there under a well of shit.

Except for Asmodel claiming Presence feared him. That is complete nonsense, and overstating his power.

Also, I'm not sure I really need to look into "Enough magical users to create an infinite multiverse" considering he was trying to eradicate all magic within the main universe. Nor do I think it's relevant considering he was taking breaks to get back to full health left and right, and the most powerful being he beat was Nabu, Shazam? Yeah, he killed a lot of beings, but that doesn't exactly speak of his actual power. It speaks of how many he killed though. Which is neat.



But yeah, anyway:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Green%20Lantern%20051%202010%20Digital%20023.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/thanos0222rd4.jpg


That should solve that issue.


And onto the Revelations feat... I don't know why you would even bring this up to me, and then challenge me so confidently with it. All you did was blatantly misinterpret it. I knew that, but I played along to see where you would try and take this. But you seem to be completely serious so...

Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpg

And farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.html

So, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat. So let's move onto the feat itself.
"The Vengeance he wreaks upon the world, upon God's creation"
"Cain's herald foretells the end of the world"
"The Age of Apokolips on EARTH"

IE the Crime Bible foretells it as only effecting a planet:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20007.jpg

Now, all it was shown to be effecting was Earthly matters:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20029-030.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20003-004.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20025-026.jpg

And of course, it actually only showing to effect the planet itself:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20002.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7


But that's not all. "Like everyone else in the world"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20007.jpg

And here's Cain actually telling Spectre what to do.
"Unmake creation. Rebuild the world in Darkseid's name."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20028.jpg

When Spectre's only direction is to speak the Anti-Life and REBUILD THE WORLD, it's probably best to take that for what it is. The feat was only planetary.

But there's an implication that all Spectre did was spread the Anti-Life Equation throughout the planet as well

"This is a war for God's greatest gift, for your freedom"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20021.jpg

God's gift again
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20002.jpg

Which, if you combine it with Cain spreading the ALE, as well as all the statements in my scans... it's a possibility that all he did initially was spread the ALE. Though him taking it back is pretty impressive. Doesn't matter either way.


But onto your single panel of this being "all creation"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20029.jpg

Which is only speaking about the entirety of creation and their place in it. Them acknowledging that more universes exist does not mean that more universes were involved. You have absolutely no proof that anything beyond planetary ranges was involved besides an admittance later that more universes exist. It's a complete fallacy with no backing.

Hell, you might as well say that Spectre remade Cain and unmade him there... and then punished him separately... this would also count the spear but the statement applies to Cain specifically. Hell this would count Radiant for that matter if we no limit fallacy it like you are...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2004%20Page%20009.jpg

Hell the amount you can apply if we use your logic is ridiculous. Radiant, Cain, the Spear, might as well include Heaven while we're at it.

So, the feat was planetary. All proof points to that. Farther dissection and common sense indicate he didn't even actually remake anything but only spread and took away the ALE.
But we'll let you have something.



Also, like I said, Spectre beats Galactus if you wade through a lot of shit. You disagree by that by... wading through a lot of shit to try and make Spectre beat Galactus. Are you using averages or high end feats only? The fact that you blatantly misrepresented a feat for no reason to me says the latter.
Like I said, you're inventing made up arguments in your head and you're implanting them upon me because... I have no idea. I like Galactus so that angers you?
Undecided on average Spectre vs Galactus though. Mind you that soul showing comes in handy. Not that this matters since you're going to make up some arguments anyway that I totally am "saying"

All this is irrelevant anyway as he stops at 1, though I'm looking forward to you butchering Revelations some more.

Jesus Christ. Is this a war of attrition, or you really like to see yourself type?

Here's a word for you:

Concision.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif

edit: laughing out loud @ page 2.

Basically this:
Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, looks like Abhi's in the right here thumb up


J/k I'm not gonna read all that shit you **** posted.

Branlor Swift
Typing is easy. Nothing I write is actually trying to be long, it's just really easy to put words down. I'm not going to edit down my words that are already typed, and I like to be thorough anyway.

The tricky part is keeping myself entertained enough to keep responding. See, if I were to respond to Abhi right there, I'd have to really make up some sort of challenge for myself to make it interesting, since it's really not worth it.

Sometimes I write up whole responses but decide against posting it since I see myself getting bored with it real quick. It's just, not hard at all to do. erm

BeyonderGod
Someone stated this was a bad thread but lol 71 posts.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Typing is easy. Nothing I write is actually trying to be long, it's just really easy to put words down. I'm not going to edit down my words that are already typed, and I like to be thorough anyway.

The tricky part is keeping myself entertained enough to keep responding. See, if I were to respond to Abhi right there, I'd have to really make up some sort of challenge for myself to make it interesting, since it's really not worth it.

Sometimes I write up whole responses but decide against posting it since I see myself getting bored with it real quick. It's just, not hard at all to do. erm
Haha, we believe you bran. We totally do.

Branlor Swift
What part?

Branlor Swift
smile

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
smile 0 marks for essay!

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
0 marks for essay!

Because it's unneeded imo. But if there's ever any proof needed that you're a last word debater, now is the time.

Context no matter, only last word

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because it's unneeded imo. But if there's ever any proof needed that you're a last word debater, now is the time.

Context no matter, only last word
Is that why the last post in this thread is yours before you bumped it?

You're the one who had the last word. That's your whole MO.

erm

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation." Here comes two word answers that only make you feel good about yourself but answer absolutely nothing.
Yeah right, your opinion sucks, sure sure. You don't even actually address half the things you respond to, all you do is try and hand wave them away. I actually have to look up almost everything I say because I have no idea what you're responding to most of the time. It's that generic. I don't even know why you have an issue with walls of texts when you just post one sentence to anything. And it's not like it's actually a sentence that has any real merit either.

But my "interpretation" is the comics. Yours is some made up Abhi misinterpretation like always. Learn to read comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, everything? Uh...
Bendis wrote Galactus for 6 issues which he largely did nothing in a severely hunger state. Johns is what, somewhere around 50-100 issues with Spectre?

It's much the same.

Also your point is that Galactus stood around for 6 issues and this means something. I don't even... you can't even explain your points. It's like you have premade answers that just cover a wide base of things they could be possibly speaking of.

And this goes largely towards most of your points. Either that or "I don't like it, didn't happen".

Seriously though, based on your words, you're arguing an appearance means anything when you can't even actually explain how this goes back to your point. erm

Originally posted by abhilegend
You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much. There's no correlation between Galactus/Bendis and Johns/Spectre. You made a shitty comparison and now are utterly refusing to back up your point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right? Not in the least.

I just don't hate him on the level of how much you hate everything not Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like. So what one more high feat? In an arc specifically frowned upon using here?

Actually though, any respect thread not posted in by you or Long Pig would be a more suitable replacement for listing to your interpretation. Those people actually have reading abilities.

Also lol at the implication that I have a reliance on respect threads. Apply yourself. Your insults are just like your points. Ill thought out and the first thing you think of.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, sure. So what he doesn't? Sarcastically writing it off doesn't actually work when it's true.

Spectre doesn't have a lower average and has no low feats? Because that's the implication of the post.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character. Sure, sure.



Originally posted by abhilegend
What does Mxy has to do with this?
He's a high feat.

But I knew had I not mentioned him, you would have jumped all over it. So, I figured I'd cut you off. Now, the feat of draining Spectre has nothing to do with this apparently.

I guess it worked... ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Yes, inserting words in my mouth and arguing against them isn't inventing arguments.

- Abhi

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character. It adds to an already unimpressive average. Which is what I've been implying and outright said in my post.

Also, my initial point to this sequence here is that Johns wrote an unimpressive Spectre. You went all over the place with that until you ended up back here.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average. Do tell why it's horseshit instead of simply handwaving it away. Impress me Abhi.

You have no issue "joking" with Spectre recreating all creation, and repeating that around, and naming "high feats" from Johns, but in the face of me saying something apparently really wrong, all you can say is, it's horseshit.

Why is it horseshit? Teach me about Spectre's average being really impressive. Tell me why please. Tell me why he doesn't have many low feats outside Johns.

We can contrast afterwards. Tell me why I'm wrong here.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone. I'm not ignoring feats or statements though. Stop digging in your generic answer drawer.

I'm saying God interfering in Spectre's affairs is meaningless. That's what he does. He tells Spectre what to do.

You said him catching God's attention means something. Why? Because I was under the impression that "God's Wrath" had a lot of input from "God".

He has a direct connection to God. He is not some random being with no direct relations to God, he was actually God's Wrath.

How does God noticing him mean anything?

How is this impressive to you on a level of God? To do it, the most powerful being he killed was Nabu. How does this put him in omnipotent territory or whatever your point is?

Simply handwaving this away doesn't work. Explain your point for once.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or because he killed Nabu and ended an age of Magic in its entirety. What's your actual point here? You're just repeating what I said. Spectre acted like a petulant child and it got God to notice.

I am well aware of what he did. I am not aware of how a being directly connected to God having God interfere is something of merit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over. But your point is meaningless and you just wasted four separate quotes to NOT actually explain your point, if you actually thought that far. Your handwaving isn't beyond my notice.

I said
"It's meaningless. It has nothing to do with power, besides the actual battles."

Because it's about what he did, which is what you tried to backtrack to when you mentioned the Ninth Age ending. God's attention is completely meaningless and in no way an attributable feat to Spectre.

The actual battles show his power, not the notice of God. But you apparently disagree with this? So why don't you actually say why God noticing him relevant to... anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash. Handwaving.

God did not say that. God was in no effected by Spectre ending the Ninth Age. God was not threatened at all. Why is God relevant?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I already said that he jobbed to Parallax. Why would you bring it up as a good feat under Johns then? You keep backtracking and then repeating yourself.

You brought out a feat and then backtracked when you realized what happened instead of actually admitting you were wrong.

Same thing you did with Johns really. You named a bunch of "impressive" things, and then backtracked once any of them were questioned. Except for some reason the power Spectre left lying around from other beings, and a statement Asmodel said where God should fear him. Which... ugh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this. Yes. You are. So much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yeah, that's just so good. How about someone twice as powerful as him dying by a planet blowing up?

Omega wasn't weakened though. Red herring

Nothing Omega did was beyond Galactus. Also Omega couldn't even actually absorb powers adequately at the time anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bat-mite throwing a planet isn't a planet blowing up though. Did you even look at the actual scan? Like I'll get to this in a second, but do you have an eyesight issue or something? This explains a lot if so.
Mxy hit Spectre over the head with Earth there. I don't get how you completely screwed that up so bad. Not that the interpretation changes much, but that is so hilariously misread. And yet you'll still continue to say you don't misinterpret things.

Anyway, the Earth wasn't even destroyed. All that hit did was destroy a third to a half of Earth

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/5671be4e-5b36-42ef-8809-ba31ad58bdb6.jpg


The hit didn't even destroy the planet and it was going downwards.

But anyway, just like two planets with a sizable nuclear device aren't just a normal explosion. Especially when Galactus tanked a nova in the same arc.
So, you can argue it wasn't a normal hit, just as you can argue a weakened Galactus taking that explosion wasn't a normal hit.

Which is my point. Not that you'll agree with it, or say much more than some random handwaving, but yeah. Good job with the attempted lowball there.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, sure. Didn't you say that Spectre was the one who was responsible of Damage going big bangy? Right? No, that's your lack of reading comprehension. You also completely conceded that debate. Why would you bring it up? Hell, you used to say Superman supplied 1/4 of the big bang there and you get offended whenever anyone brings that up. Like I said, slowly phasing things out.
Tell me more of how recaps leaving out characters retcons those characters out of a story... even a year later though. laughing out loud

I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved.

Way to use that against me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus. Because what you used was shit and you tried to troll me? lol at flew off the handle though. I was completely civil while you started crying. Look at you trying to best mask your tears here though. Now I am the one who is mad. That's some good role reversal role playing you got there. I like how you're trying to complete the masking by trying to seem happy now. You failed to make me mad and now you're not mad and I am.

Do you think typing words is flying off the handle or something? Everytime you lose a debate with me you always go "Oh essay", to make you feel better. It's called being thorough. Not making up random shit and answer largely with two words to make you feel better about yourself.

"Sure sure"

Yes, that naturally goes against something. That's called an inability to answer Abhi. wink

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I? laughing out loud

Why are you projecting your feelings onto me? You're the one who cries due to civil posts.

All I'm saying is your point is retarded. The fact that you're using such a blatant display of hyperbole is pathetic. Your stupidity did not strike a nerve just because I pointed out it was stupid. You're not quan... which is oddly a compliment.

But since you continue to defend this...

Show me the feats of Asmodel Spectre that would even singe God's robe. If it's not hyperbole, then surely you have feats on hand that would cause alarm to God? Surely you can actually back this statement up?

What did Spectre Asmodel do that would cause God to fear them?

I don't get why you just don't post a picture of a hand waving in the air as your response here. It'd save a lot of time since you're not contributing anything here. Just an attempt to get the last word to try and cement your points... that you just refuse to back up any of them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that sounds about right. There's some admittance. Glad you finally confessed to something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ha, it did struck a nerve.

laughing out loud

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you. Swearing does not mean you struck a nerve. Half of my posts speak of shit. erm
But sure you did. I'm mad. Eat a dick. Eat a dick. Like I give a shit. Who gives a shit. I don't give a shit about your opinions, etc.

Sure thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. Did you make in your diaper?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, infinite universes. I was going to look into this but then I realized I just don't care as it makes no difference. In any case, scan?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23168988_shift.jpg

You are not even trying now. I was thinking the same thing. You realize you just quoted me summarizing that scene like 2 separated posts below?

Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well

Do you just start typing before you actually read the post or something? I thought you'd at least read the posts that you have to separate but bad assumption on my part? Like, as bad as that sounds, it's better than actually reading it and then thinking it stands.

But yes, if I've given the impression that I don't have to try with you, then that's because you're literally quoting a part of my post that says I don't have to try with you. laughing out loud

Like you can't set this shit up any better. This whole section is amazing to me. It's "Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre" all over again.

Let me guess your response here. 3 options.

"Whatever"
"Yeah right"
"Sure sure

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF are you talking about now? An old assumption that's been kicking around for a while.

That Anti-Monitor still had a bunch of matter and anti matter in him, enough to jumpstart a multiverse. It's an idea that's been kicking around, and supported by the "anti matter and positive matter".

Though it's not my personal belief. Just thought I'd throw that in there considering you're going to one word this section, and your one words are largely ignorable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The energy came from the magic. Its stated as plainly for someone like you to understand as it can be. The post you're quoting says this:

"Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that."

I just... it's just. How... ?

Do you even know how to read?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, its not.

Bwahaha. Yes it was. Couple that with it never actually stating if the fuel created the universes.

Which is entirely possible if you assume it was just a high powered tuning fork that retrieved the universes from hiding and Brother Eye's mapping found them.

The only part that's unexplainable in this situation is the "everything comes from Superman", but that's not really adequately explained any way you look at it. It just is.

Just giving other scenerios where "I would be wrong". Because I think about other angles instead of just writing things off because I don't like them. I think too much. You think too little or not at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, everything is irrelevant.
It is though. The power being used there was not the Spectre's. The power being used there was not from one being the Spectre killed.
The power being used there was from what, 6 months of Spectre murdering magic users? I'd give the actual timeframe but it doesn't matter. Hopefully you will actually say something worthwhile here... ?

How the **** is this relevant to Spectre? He killed a lot of beings. He did not face down all this power at once. He faced a lot of beings that contributed to this power over a timeframe.

Explain how you think this counts. Don't just handwave this away. If you think it counts so much, then explain why you think it counts.

At this stage in time I am curious if you can actually explain your logic of half the things you said considering the hole you've dug for yourself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan. What? How is that circular logic?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Too bad of a job to provoking me though. To do that all I have to be is completely civil apparently. I guess low feats won't do it.

Maybe you can get really mad at these posts? I'm kind of being friendly? Wait and see I guess abby. You never know when you'll flip your shit.


Originally posted by abhilegend
It blatantly said that he did that only for killing Nabu. But it speaks of Nabu's power level more than anything else. That Spectre can't kill Nabu without additional power, with an unspecified powerup when his normal form couldn't destroy Dr Fate?

But yes, I have no problem with him killing Nabu. Use that feat instead of pooled energies. Nabu still isn't exactly a great feat when not only are you using it in a way to show Spectre's power because of the pooled energy, but he was also the most powerful being Spectre killed when you're using it in some way to show Spectre's power is enough to get God to notice. laughing out loud

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
To repower himself. But that's neither here nor there.

WTF? He did it once against Nabu. You are saying he did it everytime? GTFO. No, he didn't.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg

"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!"

And considering he fought Dr Fate at the height of his powers in issue 2 of Day of Vengeance, and he got more powerful per his own admission (hell he later admitted that he thought he destroyed a lot of magic when asked how much he absorbed, but right here he says he got more powerful, which means he didn't go overboard but still absorbed power), then that means he was absorbing magic. You say he merely absorbed all energy he could off the Rock of Eternity, the Baubles, and Shazam to get back to full power, which means he was absorbing energy outside of that fight. smile

Which means you're wrong. He was absorbing magic, though not in severe excess to a point where he could easily kill Nabu. It wasn't all his power.

And then he either absorbed a shit load of random magic, or focused it into an attack to destroy Nabu. So we have 1 fight where he outright absorbs a bunch of power, 1 fight where he channels a whole bunch in a wild attack, and an admittance of getting more powerful where you think he merely got to full power, which means he was absorbing more under your logic.

But all that aside, why wouldn't he absorb magic after seeing what it could do? Is Spectre also completely retarded under your pen as well? And he just desperately created that last attack against Nabu in that moment as well?

So basically, Spectre was getting more powerful at the very least after the Shazam fight where he started killed the big dawgs.

And you're not even using the fights as feats for Spectre is the main thing. No, what you're using is all the pooled energy from Spectre's rampage as the feat. laughing out loud

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it? Is this supposed to be an insult though? Like you've said this many times to me. Is this some fantasy version of an insult for you?

Ouch, you got me though. How dare I actually address things? Tell me how much of a smart, strong, handsome man I am to really put me in my place.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR. Spectre can't judge soulless beings? I'm sure he can blast the shit out of them though. Just like he has done to several soulless beings before. Well, Galactus can teleport across dimensional planes so...
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_04.jpg

Also, how is not having a soul is as relevant as bfr? Simply being something is the same as an offensive attack? How does that work?


All I'm saying is that Galactus' status gives some defense from Spectre. Interesting if he could make him poof due to it though.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though? The N-zone doesn't exist in a neutral battlezone.

Also, I forgot why you kept bringing up Bendis. It was so you could use this feat, of which you seem to mention quite a bit.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's right. What's your point though? You literally quote my point later. You literally agree with my point, and disagree with it shortly after this. Like... what the **** is even going on?

"yeah right"


Originally posted by abhilegend
Explained? Haha, what? Since when creation means planetary when the universes are mentiones in the same series? Since it never said he effected any creation beyond the Earth? Maybe?

Since when do we no limits fallacy a feat that was only stated to be planetary in scope when no actual mention of it being beyond that exists in the series? Even in the statement you're randomly applying, it outright says "In the entirety of creation". Where the **** was that stated when Cain did that?

Don't you go ballistic everytime Mr Master mentions that Hotu destroyed the omniverse... when he actually has way more proof than you?

Hypocrisy?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time. You disagree with me directly below and above. I don't... I am legitimately confused here. Do you not have any reading comprehension at all?

Here you are agreeing with me at the time you attack me:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And onto the Revelations feat... I don't know why you would even bring this up to me, and then challenge me so confidently with it. All you did was blatantly misinterpret it. I knew that, but I played along to see where you would try and take this. But you seem to be completely serious so...

Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpg

And farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.html

So, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, what? Do you even know how spectre works? It is limited by what the host can channel of Logoz. Crispus didn't know about his power. He realized it and remade creation at the end.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How does "dealing with all creation" override the fact that he was holding his power back in all previous instances? Because I've never been speaking of his previous feats, get some reading komprehension.

I've said multiple times that Krispus being weaker was irrelevant konsidering when he did the aktual feat he wasn't limiting himself anymore.

In the initial "remake kreation" feat, Krispus wasn't there to limit Spektre. In the next part when he kame bakk, he "remade kreation" therefore bypassing his limitations he set upon himself.

Like, how are you even missing this? Him being weaker is irrelevant konsidering when he did the feats he was not.

"Yeah, right"

Originally posted by abhilegend
For me, it sure is. This post for you. But last post didn't seem to go so well for your well being. Glad you got over that though. thumb up


Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now. Deflektion

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. So it never said "all kreation" in response to the feat? And you agree with it?

So you're just accepting a blind logik jump just because you hate the aktual feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it. laughing out loud
You flipped your lid bekause of me disproving it. Don't projekt your butthurt onto me just because you're not mad anymore.

You reposted the skans which in no way aktually say he akkomplished rekreating all reality. If you had a direkt statement, you'd have posted it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Unmake creation" is somehow forgotten. Nice try though.
"God's creation". I liked how Earth is the only creation in the universe of God. But good point in pointing out your own hypocrisy.

Hahaha, its like you haven't actually read the comic but only the panels where "world" is written, ignoring everything else. It direktly expanded on what kreation meant in that instance. It blatantly stated how it was only planetary. Not to mention we aktually see the effekt only spread on the planet which you ignored.

What you're saying is this is what the comiks says "Remake the omniverse, remake Earth."
Which is a direkt step down.

"Kreation" isn't a blanket statement to include absolutely you feel like using. There's a reason "Entirety of Kreation" was added in the "universes" part, and there's a reason why it wasn't inkluded in the Earth feat.

You need proof that it extended to absolutely everything, not the opposite. You do not have that except an unkonnected statement, not related to the feat.

Not only is "kreation" whittled down to Earth in every instance of the feat, but we again, see the spread of it:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20002.jpg


That's going to take a while to spread to other universes...

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Creation", "God's creation". Take an eraser and erase those words from the panels first if you think its just "world". Again, kreation isn't a blanket statement just for you to add whatever fantasy you want into the feat.

But "Everything" is God's kreation. That doesn't mean any mention of "Kreation" means absolutely everything. Her calling Kain God's kreation for example doesn't mean he's a multiverse, just like them calling Earth God's kreation doesn't mean a multiverse.

Heh, it was specifikally stated of what they were speaking about in that instance. You no limiting it doesn't work.

I'm not erasing anything, I'm just not using no limit fallacies.


Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil. Well, looks like we agree. All you do is shit on Marvel, and even DC when it direktly relates to Superman.

Oh, my longstanding hatred of Spektre of which you kan find so much evidence pales in komparison to your history. It's that's simple really.


LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran. Unless I misunderstand... you being wrong is funny? You seem to have bipolar if it just made you mad earlier. But whatever I guess.


That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic. Laughable attempt at projekting.

Do you want to play a game. Which one of us has a statement direktly pertaining to the skope of the feat?

Let's see, me with a world, or you with it saying he remade the multiverse?


Sure, why not? If you think ALE effected all creation which included characters more powerful than even Spectre, that is. I see so what you're saying is that Spektre directly remade Kain in that instance. Then he unmade Kain when Krispus kame bakk. Then, that still wasn't enough so he had to pass judgement on his separately because his unmaking of Kain apparently had absolutely no effekt?

"k, Haha wtf"

Exaktly. Your logik leads to terrible places.


Ha, "desperation" "You're desperate". Why don't you just write it in every line and forget everything else? It'd save a lot of time for both of us. To be honest, I was thinking the same thing with you and just writing "no" to everything. erm



He sure does. "Oh, Sure why not" is not why Spektre would beat Galaktus. Neither is blatant misinterpretation of feats.

See, your argument as to why Spektre wins is because of pooled magik that wasn't his. God interfering and giving him a host. And him "remaking" a planet.

More, to the point, that's not a good argument at all. Spektre can win sure, no denying that, but not with your terrible examples. It'd be like someone saying Hulk beats Wolverine because he kan send shokkwaves through dimensions... lokation not a faktor.


Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit? Eh? Because you inkluded a kompletely butchered viewpoint of a feat to kall me out with it. Everything else is an extension of that.


Doesn't mean its not canon though. For DC it is. Guess where Spectre is from? Look, I'm just saying it's not supposed to be used.

Like he separated two universes though in any kase. That puts him just a couple steps above Hyperion.

Caring about it though, you add one more high feat, yet you outright ignore posting anything else pertaining to "high feats". I kan see why this is so important to you. If that's the only addition you can really use, then...


Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right. "Everyone it was a joke post" loses all merit when you use it again, and then get really "I'm mad" upset about it when questioned. erm

"Look I was just joking... that's why I reposted it and got really butthurt when it was questioned."

Everyone knows about you "joke" posts. Tell me more about how Thor was in a really really really specifik timeframe and in no way had an immortal kurse on at the time. And how he definitely died. People know things about you here.

Yes, you are a jokester supreme. Among other "jokes". Tell me more about how much you want you want to lowball kharacters as a joke and then seriously use them down the line or in the same instance.



Haha, someone is sure full of himself. See, maybe so. But in this kase it's your obsession of me.

For what does it look like when someone pretty much posts the same thing in response to the same person many months apart with no indication of the other poster both times?

And, you love me dawg, and you want me deep in your rectum.



More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene. Right. That's quite evident. Everyone knows you have severe issues with properly read scenes. Do you read the scene right at first and then go "you know what, I'm not a fan of how this reads. Here's the new way it's going, and I don't give a shit who disagrees with me!"

Truth be told, but yeah, the whole "I don't give a shit angle" doesn't work when you flip out about it, and later regain your composure like nothing ever happened.


More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof. Says the guy literally relying a no limits fallacy. Found a picture of you by accident today.

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/stretch-armstrong-toy.jpg


Sphinx that fought Galactus and recreated all reality? Heh, I don't know what you're smoking but that's not the sphinx Galactus fought and that's a single timeline that Sphinx altered. But yeah, go with totally unrelated feats and fights. Why don't we go with Spectre fighting Parallax who actually could have created countless universes as an average or helping in creating infinite Hypertime with Damage's big bang?
Are you under the opinion that a Lady Sphinx who basikally just got the gem was more powerful than Man Sphinx who had it since ancient Egypt and had a Worldmind powerup in addition which she lakked?
As if it needed to be stated, she was only using the power she stole from Sphinx, while again lakking the Worldwind upgrade:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-48-11.jpg

Now, the Ka Stone was said to be able to kreate universes, of which you already admitted to:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-47-16.jpg

Don't see how you can't say Lady Sphinx was actually in a weaker state, with less experience than Sphinx. erm

The aktual statement that exists of it saying she rekreated all reality. Besides that, we have statements which specifically mention "all of time", and other realities in the original story. It's amazing how you missed the parallels here, but that's to be expekted.

Realistically, by all means the original feat was only planetary, with an ability to no limits it like you're doing. The issue is however, that it was actually retkonned in the handbooks, and in that issue it seemingly retkonned it as well. But it's funny how it aktually direktly has statements to say "all reality", and you won't accept that, but you'll accept Spektre doing it. Basically, Lady Sphinx has a higher claim to "all reality" than Spektre does, so if you accept Spektres, then you'd think you'd have to accept Lady Sphinx's. At least she was said to be able kreate universe and rekreate all reality in direkt relation to the feat... Spektre was not.



As for Parallax, good, then use that feat. This is what I meant by your argument not being convincing. You use a made up feat in your own mind as opposed to an aktual real feat of fighting "Multiverse" Parallax.

Per what you used this whole time with aktual feats before this, Spektre beats Galaktus because... he separated two universes?

There'd be a lot less issue with you using high feats only, but accepting you're doing so, instead of making up feats, using complete non feats, and using pooled energies from a rampage. Like in my opening premise. It seems Spektre wins going by high feats only. It would be a possible great fight however if you use averages. That's all I initially wished to say, but you know me, hard to resist a moron spouting moronic babble. smile


Of course you don't. Honestly, your mind is a komplex weave indeed. You really need that "rekreate reality" feat though with no aktual direkt proof. It's throwing me all over the place.


Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me. Everyone can see what a comforting thought that would be. At least I'll know your body will be warm. wink

Makes me already feel special knowing I'm your hukkleberry.

I love all the projekting some more arguments onto me. "Yeah well, Bendis! Haha, I got u. Now I'm here for you, let me touch your penis please."

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, sure? Not to repeat myself, but basikally you're a child running around is what I said.

Always trying to get Daddy's attention. "I don't give a shit, give me attention daddy!"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass. "Jokes on you, I was just joking, I wouldn't aktually think the thing I've used many times to try and get your attention."

Although, I know. You're just a rare kase where me being full of myself flares up. You're so useless it makes me feel all powerful. I'll be alright after this, but thanks for the concern buddy. You're there for me bud. thumb up


Really I usually don't let myself get a big head, but sometimes it takes someone akting like a spoiled child for me to act in that kharacter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you. Friendly neighborhood Abhi with his projekting again. Go on and tell me how every top tier hurts Galaktus and how much Galactus gets stomped, and how weak Surfer is bekause of how weak Galaktus is. Almost every single argument you ever have is bekause you tried to lowball.

Oddly enough, you're the biggest hater on the forum. laughing out loud

Really, I don't think "Karverlike" adequately explains how much your hate follows you everywhere.

Are you worse than Karver? Yes. The only thing that kovers that up is you aktually read the komics. As for the reading komprehension to go with that? Eh, that's a wash.

"Like I give a shit." But, I don't hate Spektre. I'm just not a fan and think he's overrated. lol at him beating the Celestial race though (not saying you're saying it, but that's the general attitude towards him). That's not even high feats only at that point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point. "Like I give a shit" There it is again. You've said you don't give a shit many times here. "Like I give a shit, watch me flip out, regain my komposure, and then respond to everything telling you how little I give a shit."

To be honest, looks like Celey (assuming it's said Seley) is all over you at this point though. You tried to get a rise out of me, Celey is plain old putting you in your place. But that's just one gossip girl's opinion on that partikular debate.

I don't like to cheerlead, but considering how much you do it, it seems pretty fitting.

Many long nights have been fought out between you and Celey. I'm genuinely curious if you two have ever directly conceded to each other's arguments, or if your "You hurt my feelings celey, I'm reporting you" is just a front, and you absolutely love talking to him, him whispering sweet nothings in your ear till you melt inside. Cute stuff. It's not about Superman with him, it's about a man and another man with a big hammer.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. Exaktly! That was my initial response when you tried to portray Asmodel/Spektre as being a threat to God. Oddly enough all this handwaving portrays a lot of my feelings.

Branlor Swift
Activities:
There are two hidden messages in these last series of posts? Can you find one or both of them?

Be the first to solve either and claim your prize!

Hint for 1:
It is in posts 4 through 5

Hint for 2:
It goes through every post, excluding this one of course! Recommended for advanced users only, and even then I have my doubts it gets solved.


Trivia:

The K's in the last half of the posts are from Bran playing Mortal Kombat today. This was a lot trickier than anticipated!

Abhi's favorite character is Superman. You'd need super vision to see that though!

Celeyhyga's favorite character is Thor. As blunt as a hammer, or as swift as lightning? It's blunt

Abhi's least favorite poster on the forums is Celeyhyga. Is he jelly of Celey?

Abhi once got heatstroke from being in a bus too long. Stick a fork in him, he's done!

Abhi's temperature rises past his heatstroke days when he's in the vicinity of Celey. Someone get this hothead out of here!

Contrary to popular belief, this has been a rather fun debate for Bran. What did Abhi say when seeing this? "Yeah, right."

Abhi thinks this scan is of Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre. Looks like his eyes were off world at the time!

Some say Abhi's misinterpretations are on purpose. Some say it's an accident. What does Abhi say about it? "Who gives a shit?"




Bonus Activity:
Can you sort every example into it's own group? Bonus points if different words are used but it says the same thing
*You'd be shocked at how little was excluded here from 4 posts!

Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation."

Uh, everything?

You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right?

You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like.

Sure, sure.

Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character.

Not really.

Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character.

Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average.

Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone.

Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over.

Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash.

Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this.

Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus.

Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Ha, it did struck a nerve.

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you.

Right.

Nah, infinite universes. Yeah, right.

WTF are you talking about now?

No, its not.

Bwahaha.

Sure, everything is irrelevant.

Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan.

Too bad of a job to provoking me though.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.

Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it?

That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR.

Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though?

Yeah, that's right. What's your point though?

Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time.

For me, it sure is.

Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now.

Right.

Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it.

Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil.

LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran.

That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic.

He sure does.

Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit?

Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right.

Haha, someone is sure full of himself.

More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene.

More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof.

Of course you don't.

Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me.

Uh, sure?

Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass.

I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you.

Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point.

Uh-huh.

abhilegend
Is that all you got? C'mon, one more essay would be fun.

Anyway off to bed, will answer it tomorrow.

Branlor Swift
So you may ask yourself a question... did Bran write this argument up in 20 minutes?

No. I wrote it all up before this post:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/abhilikesballs.jpg


And everything I said in there was correct, though I withheld information of actually being done. What I was trying to do was get these queers to bump the thread to the next page so I could Galan this argument to the top of the page. But that was only because I didn't want the activities post to be wasted, since the argument is pointless. Everyone knows Abhi's wrong all the time. It's not about getting the last word. In fact I had to start putting K's in it halfway through because his posts are so worthless to reply to. The K idea came along when I thought up the activities, so that made finishing the posts easy as shit.

Basically I finished the argument and then had to go back and start adding in messages, which is why there's so many pms here. Revision. That's why I posted that, because I knew the argument was already done, but I had to finish the messages. It was a little tricky trying to find out what jumps out and what doesn't but when I looked at it, it seemed to give hints so yeah.

The good thing about this is the activities post is most of the reason I thought up summarizing stories because of how fun it was to think up ways to answer. You'll notice in the timeframe between the posts to my World War Hulk story.

Anyway, proof I was done at that time.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_abhilikesballs2.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_abhilikesballs3.jpg



So when it wasn't bumped I was kind of sad. Not because of the argument because again Abhi is worthless (and I haven't even read the argument since then, I just know abhi was wrong when I wrote it), but because I felt the activities post was one of the best posts I've ever done on this forum. So I just quietly waited for abhi to bring it up one day like he did because I know he's an egotistical prick. And then I Galan'd to the next page to get abhi to ego post a little. Which I supposed I could have done in the first place but Abhi wouldn't answer me the first time. Plus letting Abhi think he just completely shut me up is alright too.

And bingo bango bongo. Though I was quite sure I would have to have it rot in my pms, but it worked out for the best. Thanks to Abhi's immense ego people hopefully try out their hands at my crafty messages.

It's a good thing I sent that answer key to myself though, because I'm not sure I would try it. laughing out loud

In any case, I don't want to top this so much later. But I will continue the debate if Abhi really wants to lash out again like a petulant child.

The Nuul
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...enjoy seeing Bran debate. Get him buddy.
thumb up

operator616
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Show me the feats of Asmodel Spectre that would even singe God's robe. If it's not hyperbole, then surely you have feats on hand that would cause alarm to God? Surely you can actually back this statement up?

What did Spectre Asmodel do that would cause God to fear them?


Asmodel is actually known for being delusional. In Paradise Lost he was super confident that he was going to ususrp God and take over heaven only to learn how really delusional he was in the end.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

That Spectre can't kill Nabu without additional power, with an unspecified powerup when his normal form couldn't destroy Dr Fate?

But yes, I have no problem with him killing Nabu. Use that feat instead of pooled energies. Nabu still isn't exactly a great feat when not only are you using it in a way to show Spectre's power because of the pooled energy, but he was also the most powerful being Spectre killed when you're using it in some way to show Spectre's power is enough to get God to notice. laughing out loud

That's quite inconsistent. Back in Spectre's solo series, he one-shotted Nabu twice. It was specifically noted that since Spectre represents God - who created Nabu - Spectre can literally unmake Nabu if he wishes. And this was a hostless Spectre just like in DoV.

So you can see the inconsistency when it comes to the Spectre. It all depends on the specific era. The really peak versions are Silver Age and Hal Spectre imo. The others weren't particularly impressive (Ostrander's was alright but not quite the omnipotent being some may like to believe him to be), especially DoV and what came after.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by operator616
Asmodel is actually known for being delusional. In Paradise Lost he was super confident that he was going to ususrp God and take over heaven only to learn how really delusional he was in the end.



That's quite inconsistent. Back in Spectre's solo series, he one-shotted Nabu twice. It was specifically noted that since Spectre represents God - who created Nabu - Spectre can literally unmake Nabu if he wishes. And this was a hostless Spectre just like in DoV.

So you can see the inconsistency when it comes to the Spectre. It all depends on the specific era. The really peak versions are Silver Age and Hal Spectre imo. The others weren't particularly impressive (Ostrander's was alright but not quite the omnipotent being some may like to believe him to be), especially DoV and what came after. thumb up

Yeah. I'm not sure why Abhi would bring up DOV as some sort of great feat just because God interfered and the amount of magic he "destroyed". Which was my issue with what Abhi was actually using.

Like I believe I said, whether Spectre wins against Galactus or not, it's not because of what Abhi is using.

Mr Master
B, ... stoned Glad I passed by high today.

leonidas
damnation, bran went all armageddon.... shock

http://www.mikemarchev.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Applause_meter_1.jpg

abhilegend
Haha, just a few words and you flew off the handle. So typical. Now lets see what do you actually have you pompous buffoon.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here comes two word answers that only make you feel good about yourself but answer absolutely nothing.
Yeah right, your opinion sucks, sure sure. You don't even actually address half the things you respond to, all you do is try and hand wave them away. I actually have to look up almost everything I say because I have no idea what you're responding to most of the time. It's that generic. I don't even know why you have an issue with walls of texts when you just post one sentence to anything. And it's not like it's actually a sentence that has any real merit either. You don't get it, I seriously don't give a **** about what you wrote here either.

So write another essay, why don't ya?

That's what carver says too. Welcome to carver league bran.

He merged with Gah Lak Tus and still got his ass handed to him. But why does it matter? Even Johns wrote some beastly feats for Spectre. Did Bendis?

Getting beaten by dimensional BFR must've hurt you bran.

You can't explain it because there is nothing you can spin. How do you spin getting beaten by simple BFR anyway?

Seriously? Quote where I said anything like that.

You mean you are doing it, right? Because that's a very nice projection right there.

Just because you say so? Sorry bran, the days of you making the rules are long gone.

Suuuuuuuure.

Does it matter? Where was Galactus then? Oh right, getting his ass raped by a less powerful Krona. The same Krona who the league and Avengers managed to Repel in issue 3. But being not able to use here doesn't mean its non canon. And its all about comparisons. Galactus was a gnat to Krona.

You are not very good at repeating things. But carry on if it suits your ego.

Ham everything is "No, you" arguments. Nice job.


He does not. But I'm pretty sure even you know that. Show me Galactus even in a fed state turning a skyfather in ice. Heck, show me Galactus oneshotting a skyfather. I'll wait. Here is a hint: They both happened under Johns.

Cool story bran.






I guess it worked... ? What are you talking about? I didn't even mention mxy.

Writing a lot of words there bran. Be careful.

Which it doesn't. You are merely repeating something totally unproven and ignoring any feat Spectre has as high feat.

Here is a hint: Nobody gives a damn.

abhilegend
And in the process you wrote off any feats Spectre has.

Good job.

If all the feats mentioned here don't impress you, I don't think anything else will. But just like you said Spectre has unimpressive average, I say its horseshit. Prove your stance bran, impress me.

Yes, do you have any problem with it?

Because it is? Why don't you tell me about all these low feats and how only low feats matter for Spectre. For your kind information, John Ostrander retconned all his low showings from silver age in Martian Manhunter 23 saying that Spectre was always at half power in those issues.

After you, of course. You're the winning one here, right?


Such a nice dichotomy right here. When was the last time Galactus caught attention of TOAA btw?

Because it was the only way of stopping him. Unlike dimensional BFR.

Its still an achievement to catch God's attention when you consider all the instances of Spectre going on rampage and God did nothing.

Why it doesn't? Just because he is connected to God doesn't mean God is always watching over him.

Who said he was omnipotent or something? But you're getting desperate here for something you can't spin. Good.

I already have. You may or may not accept it.

Why didn't God acted in any previous rampage of Spectre if that's the only reason?

Like I said you're not good at repeating things.

Now I have to just laugh at you.

Sure, sure. Just because you say so, right?

laughing out loud

Handwaving in five paragraphs.

Lots of "whys". Just tell me one thing, if God hadn't stopped him who would have? Why did the writer specifically used God for restraining Spectre. Surely for such a shitty being with such low average, any being could have stopped him.

I didn't. But even in the jobbing, he was able to separate Parallax from Hal.

Nope.

Yeah, that really messed up your panties. Worry not. Its still on print and more relevant than your rantings.

Revisionist history.

He was outright stated to be more powerful than Galactus. And he was fed at the time having destroyed another planet.

http://i.imgur.com/M6qNyDp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hMHpPs7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2WhKgqU.jpg

But outright lying now, eh?

At that level of power, Mxy could have beaten Spectre by anything. Voltron Celestial killed Galactus with a blast and it didn't do anything to earth which was just in the atmosphere.

http://i.imgur.com/1eQ7HH2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RdtmsVy.jpg

It only made a crater. Not to mention the same voltron celestial was taken out by a portion of Sun's power.

http://i.imgur.com/RMUGAIo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wkgOGXq.jpg

Galactus sucks, amirite?

Superman survived two planets being pushed by source under the same writer. John Stewart survived a supernova under the same writer. Galactus was in danger of getting killed by a supernova in Infinity Crusade under the same writer. Someone twice as powerful as Galactus died by a planet being destroyed under the same writer. God, galactus sucks.
It was.



Sure, sure.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No, that's your lack of reading comprehension. You also completely conceded that debate. Why would you bring it up? Hell, you used to say Superman supplied 1/4 of the big bang there and you get offended whenever anyone brings that up. Like I said, slowly phasing things out.
Tell me more of how recaps leaving out characters retcons those characters out of a story... even a year later though. Lots of "Nuh-uh, its just you" arguments here. But as for you, Spectre created the big bang, right? SO are you saying, you were wrong in that stance?

But Parallax's energy wasn't totally absorbed at that point by the heroes at that point. Your whole point was that Spectre created the big bang and hence Superman wasn't a factor there. Don't tell me you're backtracking now.

So has Galactus contributed in creating a big bang?

It was a pleasure.

Again "nuh-uh, it was you". Lulz. Ahahaha. Let me do that again.


Bwahahahahahahahaa. So many tears from you. Its quite delicious.

Everytime you do the same thing. Write an essay, get the last word and declare yourself a winner because I didn't cared enough to write an essay back.

No more though. See how far your inflated ego can take you with these empty words.

Or not caring enough to repeat something. But sure, sure.

I'm not the one who flew off the handle and posted five essays here just because of a few words I said. Look into a mirror bran.

So, handwaving it away? Good. That only means you've no argument left.

Its a direct statement of power from Asmodel. You don't like it? Go sue Geoff Johns about how he dared to write it.

Don't cry to me. Gotcha?

Glad you accepted that statement. Now wipe off your tears.

Of course it did. You are so civil, as you've repeatedly said here. Civil people don't swear bran. Sure, sure.

Sure, sure.

Did you make in your tampons?

Alex Luthor was recreating infinite universes before Crisis. That was his goal all along. But sure.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123877/3195696-comicvine.jpg

Did I?

That's a lot of words to handwave the feat away. Good, you're making progress. Concession accepted BTW.

And your point being? That somehow "energy" used to power it is somehow not applicable to the quantity of energy?

Haha, this is just idiotic. Alex flat out said that for creating the multiverse he needed energy and that came from magic.

That's why I call you a buffoon. You deserve it.

And the energy to do so came from something Spectre did. You're trying your hardest to deny a flat out statement. Guess what, it also came from Johns.

Some shitty average, eh?

abhilegend
Are you drunk or something? How does any of this relates to Spectre destroying enough magic to create an infinite multiverse?


Does that somehow diminishes what spectre did? When Galactus rampages across universe and destroy enough powerful beings to recreate entire multiverse, wake me up.

And? It shows just how powerful those beings were. The last time Galactus died, he made a star. Evn if he killed say a million magic users, the power they released for creating an entire multiverse is staggering. Its all about averages Bran.

Explain to me why it doesn't counts though? I explained it already. You're just too dumb to accept it.

Again "nuh-uh, its you".

laughing out loud

laughing out loud

Just hilarious at this point. Keep digging that hole though.

Nah, you just have to shut up.

Sure, sure.


Nabu is the most powerful Lord of Order. Krona with all the power in JLA/Avengers was just a peer to Kismet as shown in Trinity who is canonical peer of eternity under the same writer.

See how that goes? Also Spectre casually destroyed Dr. Fate under Johns when he was curbstomping Mordru and actually imprisoned Nabu. Under Johns no less.

Shitty average.



Spectre killed someone who is above Eternity's peer. Why is it bad again?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg

"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!" In the same page Nabu says Spectre is deluded. So hard to read for you, right?

Are you alright or did you hit your head? Spectre fought Fate in JSA 74 and casually defeated him. He turned Phantom Stranger in a mouse, casually oneshotted Thunderbolt, casually defeated Dr Fate and the closest anybody came to defeat him were Cap with the magic of entire universe and Shazam.

http://i.imgur.com/sZyDt86.jpg

Here is how he dealt with Nabu imprisoning, Mordru stomping Dr. Fate. Shitty average.

That only adds to how powerful Nabu was. Its not a bad showing for Spectre, its a very high showing for Nabu.

And it shows how powerful Nabu was. Not that Spectre was weak. He was stomping skyfather level being effortlessly, unless you think Phantom Stranger and Thunderbolt are not skyfather level.

Why are you saying it like its a low showing for Spectre. Nabu is after all above people like Kismet and Eternity.

Canonically.

Yes, I am. Unless you think only shazam and Nabu had enough power to give so much power that entire multiverse was created by it. In that case, lulz.

Yes, it was an insult. Happy?

Not out of N zone, he can't. Canon.

Because spectre can just BFR him even if he does not has a soul. He couldn't do it to Nekron.

But Nekron would push Galactus' shit in. So meh either ways.

Next you would say he could beat Nekron too. Remember how it went against Mikaboshi? Or Zeus powered by Mikaboshi?

Ouch.

Of course it does. The neutral battlezone has properties of both DC and Marvel universes. Its not even any special dimension like Phantom Zone.

And why can't I? Is it non canon or something?



What? I said Crispus was holding back his power the entire time he was spectre. You tried using it as if he was holding back his power in Revelations only.

"yeah right"


Did you even read Final Crisis? The ALE was effecting entire multiverse. We literally saw entire multiverse going into a black hole.

"God's creation", "creation" is just earth.

I don't even know what's wrong with you. Are you autistic or something?

Because its contradicted everytime by saying it was just a universe. When HOTU remade entire "God's creation"?



Here you are agreeing with me at the time you attack me:



Because I've never been speaking of his previous feats, get some reading komprehension. You first.

And?

Good job reading a scan for once.

Did you even read what I said? I guess no.



I'm glad you vent up all your anger. Kool story bran.


Khill bran.

"God's creation". Handwave that away bran.

Wut?

You flew out off your handle because I actually tried to speak of some feats for Spectre. That's real butthurt right there.

It did.

Just because you're not able to accept it, doesn't means its invalid. 'God's creation" bran. It chafes, doesn't it?

So are you saying all the universes shown in Final Crisis affected by ALE were not actually affected by ALE?

Way to go bran.

"God's creation".

"God's creation", universes included in the same arc. Somehow writer forgot about that. Only bran remembered it of course.



In the very same scan it says "God created heaven and earth".

Somehow God forgot adding 'heaven" when he considered what's "God's creation".




Damn internet. Again lots of words and so little meaning from you. Typical.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Again, kreation isn't a blanket statement just for you to add whatever fantasy you want into the feat.

But "Everything" is God's kreation. That doesn't mean any mention of "Kreation" means absolutely everything. Her calling Kain God's kreation for example doesn't mean he's a multiverse, just like them calling Earth God's kreation doesn't mean a multiverse. Every scan you add just makes its clear you only read what you want to.

"God created heaven and earth".-Comic

"No, God only created earth".- Bran.

Good job explaining your own buffoonery.

Why don't you write an essay about it too? And post a contradictory scan while you're at it.

No. You can't erase anything anyway. You're just butthurt.

Sure, sure.

Yup. Glad you admit it.

Unless I find the quote laughable. You are teh smart one, figure it out.

Sure, sure.

I do. "Remake creation". Simple as that.

So now he didn't even remade earth IYO? Since Cain was on earth but as you think Cain wasn't remade, so earth wasn't remade too.

You just invalidated the entire comic. Good job bran.


You don't have any logic here. You're just blindly grasping to anything to deny the actual statement.

Its a better logic than your actual arguments though.


But he would. Stomp him more like it.

You may not agree. But comics show that blatantly.

No, actually beating characters who are powerful on their own.

But since a small portion of power from sun outperformed Galactus.................

Specre not just "can" win. He would stomp Galactus.



Nobody gives a shit.

Hyperion didn't separate the universes. IG did. And got destroyed in process. Spectre>>>IG I guess.

I can. But you'll just ignore "high feats".

I wonder how many such high feats Galactus has.



Everyone knows about you "joke" posts. Tell me more about how Thor was in a really really really specifik timeframe and in no way had an immortal kurse on at the time. And how he definitely died. People know things about you here.

Yes, you are a jokester supreme. Among other "jokes". Tell me more about how much you want you want to lowball kharacters as a joke and then seriously use them down the line or in the same instance. But who is actually mad here? You or I? I used your name once in that thread as a joke almost one year ago and totally forgot about it.

You're the one who brought it out of nowhere.


Good job explaining your buffoonery once again.

Is it? I just challenged every surfer fan in the other thread including you. You're the one who flew out of handle.

Yeah, the joke was funny.

Projektion.


Another prrojektion. Good job.

But I don't give a shit about what you think. Never have, never will.

abhilegend
Projektion.

Yes. Different writers have different opinions of power of characters. You actually don't know that.
"I could create universes".

Hal said he wielded power to create universes as Green lantern and Parallax. He compared that power to spectre as of a candle and a sun.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091106232740/marvel_dc/images/thumb/0/02/Spectre_Hal_Jordan_006.jpg/500px-Spectre_Hal_Jordan_006.jpg

So?

Just like Hal said it, right?

Per Degaton has recreated entire universe by meddling in history. Some real power right there.

Yeah, because it was directly stated to be the only one reality by changing time. But I like how Sphinx's feat is directly transferable to Galactus.

Good job again.



But its a high feat. How can we use it?

And he regularly fought a being who destroyed universes and not get his shit pushed in everytime like Galactus.

But like you said everything outside Johns is a high feat for Spectre and not really adds in his average.

So how can we use it?

I've given you plenty of other feats.

Just because you don't like it doesn't means its not given.



So much gheyness.


laughing out loud

abhilegend
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not to repeat myself, but basikally you're a child running around is what I said.

Always trying to get Daddy's attention. "I don't give a shit, give me attention daddy!"

"Jokes on you, I was just joking, I wouldn't aktually think the thing I've used many times to try and get your attention."

Although, I know. You're just a rare kase where me being full of myself flares up. You're so useless it makes me feel all powerful. I'll be alright after this, but thanks for the concern buddy. You're there for me bud. thumb up


Really I usually don't let myself get a big head, but sometimes it takes someone akting like a spoiled child for me to act in that kharacter.

Friendly neighborhood Abhi with his projekting again. Go on and tell me how every top tier hurts Galaktus and how much Galactus gets stomped, and how weak Surfer is bekause of how weak Galaktus is. Almost every single argument you ever have is bekause you tried to lowball.

Oddly enough, you're the biggest hater on the forum. laughing out loud

Really, I don't think "Karverlike" adequately explains how much your hate follows you everywhere.

Are you worse than Karver? Yes. The only thing that kovers that up is you aktually read the komics. As for the reading komprehension to go with that? Eh, that's a wash.

"Like I give a shit." But, I don't hate Spektre. I'm just not a fan and think he's overrated. lol at him beating the Celestial race though (not saying you're saying it, but that's the general attitude towards him). That's not even high feats only at that point.

"Like I give a shit" There it is again. You've said you don't give a shit many times here. "Like I give a shit, watch me flip out, regain my komposure, and then respond to everything telling you how little I give a shit."

To be honest, looks like Celey (assuming it's said Seley) is all over you at this point though. You tried to get a rise out of me, Celey is plain old putting you in your place. But that's just one gossip girl's opinion on that partikular debate.

I don't like to cheerlead, but considering how much you do it, it seems pretty fitting.

Many long nights have been fought out between you and Celey. I'm genuinely curious if you two have ever directly conceded to each other's arguments, or if your "You hurt my feelings celey, I'm reporting you" is just a front, and you absolutely love talking to him, him whispering sweet nothings in your ear till you melt inside. Cute stuff. It's not about Superman with him, it's about a man and another man with a big hammer.



Exaktly! That was my initial response when you tried to portray Asmodel/Spektre as being a threat to God. Oddly enough all this handwaving portrays a lot of my feelings. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Activities:
There are two hidden messages in these last series of posts? Can you find one or both of them?

Be the first to solve either and claim your prize!

Hint for 1:
It is in posts 4 through 5

Hint for 2:
It goes through every post, excluding this one of course! Recommended for advanced users only, and even then I have my doubts it gets solved.


Trivia:

The K's in the last half of the posts are from Bran playing Mortal Kombat today. This was a lot trickier than anticipated!

Abhi's favorite character is Superman. You'd need super vision to see that though!

Celeyhyga's favorite character is Thor. As blunt as a hammer, or as swift as lightning? It's blunt

Abhi's least favorite poster on the forums is Celeyhyga. Is he jelly of Celey?

Abhi once got heatstroke from being in a bus too long. Stick a fork in him, he's done!

Abhi's temperature rises past his heatstroke days when he's in the vicinity of Celey. Someone get this hothead out of here!

Contrary to popular belief, this has been a rather fun debate for Bran. What did Abhi say when seeing this? "Yeah, right."

Abhi thinks this scan is of Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre. Looks like his eyes were off world at the time!

Some say Abhi's misinterpretations are on purpose. Some say it's an accident. What does Abhi say about it? "Who gives a shit?"




Bonus Activity:
Can you sort every example into it's own group? Bonus points if different words are used but it says the same thing
*You'd be shocked at how little was excluded here from 4 posts!

Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation."

Uh, everything?

You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right?

You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like.

Sure, sure.

Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character.

Not really.

Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character.

Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average.

Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone.

Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over.

Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash.

Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this.

Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus.

Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Ha, it did struck a nerve.

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you.

Right.

Nah, infinite universes. Yeah, right.

WTF are you talking about now?

No, its not.

Bwahaha.

Sure, everything is irrelevant.

Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan.

Too bad of a job to provoking me though.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.

Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it?

That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR.

Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though?

Yeah, that's right. What's your point though?

Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time.

For me, it sure is.

Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now.

Right.

Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it.

Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil.

LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran.

That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic.

He sure does.

Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit?

Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right.

Haha, someone is sure full of himself.

More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene.

More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof.

Of course you don't.

Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me.

Uh, sure?

Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass.

I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you.

Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point.

Uh-huh. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So you may ask yourself a question... did Bran write this argument up in 20 minutes?

No. I wrote it all up before this post:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/abhilikesballs.jpg


And everything I said in there was correct, though I withheld information of actually being done. What I was trying to do was get these queers to bump the thread to the next page so I could Galan this argument to the top of the page. But that was only because I didn't want the activities post to be wasted, since the argument is pointless. Everyone knows Abhi's wrong all the time. It's not about getting the last word. In fact I had to start putting K's in it halfway through because his posts are so worthless to reply to. The K idea came along when I thought up the activities, so that made finishing the posts easy as shit.

Basically I finished the argument and then had to go back and start adding in messages, which is why there's so many pms here. Revision. That's why I posted that, because I knew the argument was already done, but I had to finish the messages. It was a little tricky trying to find out what jumps out and what doesn't but when I looked at it, it seemed to give hints so yeah.

The good thing about this is the activities post is most of the reason I thought up summarizing stories because of how fun it was to think up ways to answer. You'll notice in the timeframe between the posts to my World War Hulk story.

Anyway, proof I was done at that time.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_abhilikesballs2.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_abhilikesballs3.jpg



So when it wasn't bumped I was kind of sad. Not because of the argument because again Abhi is worthless (and I haven't even read the argument since then, I just know abhi was wrong when I wrote it), but because I felt the activities post was one of the best posts I've ever done on this forum. So I just quietly waited for abhi to bring it up one day like he did because I know he's an egotistical prick. And then I Galan'd to the next page to get abhi to ego post a little. Which I supposed I could have done in the first place but Abhi wouldn't answer me the first time. Plus letting Abhi think he just completely shut me up is alright too.

And bingo bango bongo. Though I was quite sure I would have to have it rot in my pms, but it worked out for the best. Thanks to Abhi's immense ego people hopefully try out their hands at my crafty messages.

It's a good thing I sent that answer key to myself though, because I'm not sure I would try it. laughing out loud

In any case, I don't want to top this so much later. But I will continue the debate if Abhi really wants to lash out again like a petulant child.

So much butthurt and overly defensive essays. Who gives a shit about how much time it took you to write it or what are you babbling about other than on the topic?

Here is a not so hidden message for you. See if you can find it. Claim the prize bran.







































































































fu

abhilegend
What, no applause for me?

mmm

AsbestosFlaygon
Spectre, despite being the "Wrath of the Presence", is one of the worst jobbers in comics history.
He's been pwned by numerous beings who are immune to his powers for some reason (plot reasons for the most part to boost Superman and Co., or some random fodder character we'll forget about in a few years.)

Given his power set, he should be arguably/undeniably the most poweful SUPERHERO in DC, bar none.

Unbound Spectre should clear his gauntlet.
Source-Amped/Logoz-Amped Spectre stops at LT in an eternal stalemate.

abhilegend
Not worse than Galactus. No.

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not worse than Galactus. No.
Galactus is no superhero, though.

abhilegend
Spectre isn't a superhero too. He is a force of nature.

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre isn't a superhero too. He is a force of nature.
He's been established as a superhero ever since his introduction.

The only difference is that his power comes directly from The Presence's wrath.

Logically, there should be no superhero or supervillain stronger than him in the DC Multiverse.

Genii96
Celestial race beats spectre,

abhilegend
^The same celestial race which got almost wiped out by a featless Godkiller armor?

mmm

AsbestosFlaygon
PS: Unless that superhero/supervillain is a higher-level Abstract, like Mandrakk or Thought Robot Superman.

abhilegend
Just for fun. Magus disintegrates Galactus with a solar system level blast.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346610_INFINTY_WARS04-07.jpg

Galactus needed help from Strange and Vishanti to reconstitute himself.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346615_Dr-strange_Muerte_3.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346620_Dr-strange_Muerte_8.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346621_Dr-strange_Muerte_9.jpg

laughing out loud

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for fun. Magus disintegrates Galactus with a solar system level blast.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346610_INFINTY_WARS04-07.jpg

Galactus needed help from Strange and Vishanti to reconstitute himself.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346615_Dr-strange_Muerte_3.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346620_Dr-strange_Muerte_8.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23346621_Dr-strange_Muerte_9.jpg

laughing out loud
facepalm

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
^The same celestial race which got almost wiped out by a featless Godkiller armor?

mmm

Featless?,it was built to kill celestials,killed several,was beaten.
My,my celestials getting killed by a weapon built especially for them is suppossed to be bad?.

If by featless,you mean only feat killing celestials that's not even an argument,that's like saying living tribunal is weak because scathan beat a guy who he couldn't beat,and scathan was featless before.

You dnt know how the godkiller works,its built to kill celestials,you dnt know what special ability it has when facing celestials,so you don't even have an argfument.

Seeing as scathan and tiamut who is now equal to the fulcrum are among the celestials,and the fact that the celestial race number in what millions?. Yea,they definately win.

Golgo13
Spectre would definitely take a good number of Celestials down.

leonidas
Originally posted by abhilegend
What, no applause for me?

mmm

i literally lol'd at your subtly hidden message. thumb up

zom1967
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
facepalm Is that galactus recreated his ship and anyone on it.with a little help from dr.Strange (who held off Death)then Galactus recreated all of them,the Surfer ,Nova ,and Strange.making him at least as strong as 5 cosmic cubes.without supplementing with more planets!!!!

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by zom1967
Is that galactus recreated his ship and anyone on it.with a little help from dr.Strange (who held off Death)then Galactus recreated all of them,the Surfer ,Nova ,and Strange.making him at least as strong as 5 cosmic cubes.without supplementing with more planets!!!!
The facepalm moment was the fact he got disintegrated in the first place.
Horrible writing.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Featless?,it was built to kill celestials,killed several,was beaten.
My,my celestials getting killed by a weapon built especially for them is suppossed to be bad?.

If by featless,you mean only feat killing celestials that's not even an argument,that's like saying living tribunal is weak because scathan beat a guy who he couldn't beat,and scathan was featless before.

You dnt know how the godkiller works,its built to kill celestials,you dnt know what special ability it has when facing celestials,so you don't even have an argfument.

Seeing as scathan and tiamut who is now equal to the fulcrum are among the celestials,and the fact that the celestial race number in what millions?. Yea,they definately win.
Just because it was built to kill them doesn't mean much.

Hulkbuster armors are built to beat Hulk too, do they actually beat hulk? No.

Scathan actually got a feat. Godkiller's only feat is killing celestials like fodders.

And they got killed by billions by a featless armor. Way to go celestials.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
i literally lol'd at your subtly hidden message. thumb up

thumb up

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just because it was built to kill them doesn't mean much.

Hulkbuster armors are built to beat Hulk too, do they actually beat hulk? No.

Scathan actually got a feat. Godkiller's only feat is killing celestials like fodders.

And they got killed by billions by a featless armor. Way to go celestials.

Um,the fact that it actually succeeded in doing so means it did its job,ur using hulkbuster to justify the god killer armor?

The mere fact it killed so many velestials proves its power,so what exactly is your argument?

Genii96
Originally posted by Golgo13
Spectre would definitely take a good number of Celestials down.

Yup definitely,but he isn't taking down the entire race,and is definately losing if scathan and tiamut are there

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Um,the fact that it actually succeeded in doing so means it did its job,ur using hulkbuster to justify the god killer armor?

The mere fact it killed so many velestials proves its power,so what exactly is your argument?
That celestials suck? I mean that's what the logic for saying Spectre loses here after all.

Speaking of which, Thunderbolt has some of the most beastly feats for any skyfather level character. He would most likely push Odin's shit in a fight.

Spectre oneshotted him. Under Johns.

Shitty average.

Genii96
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The facepalm moment was the fact he got disintegrated in the first place.
Horrible writing.

Yup,though it didn't do much in the end

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
That celestials suck? I mean that's what the logic for saying Spectre loses here after all.

Speaking of which, Thunderbolt has some of the most beastly feats for any skyfather level character. He would most likely push Odin's shit in a fight.

Spectre oneshotted him. Under Johns.

Shitty average.

They suck how exactly? Only time they lose is if some plot device or higher power is brought up. I believe I never said spectre sucks either,though he is a well known jobber.

Oneshotting a guy who is skyfather level is supposed to be impressive to a celestial?.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
They suck how exactly? Only time they lose is if some plot device or higher power is brought up. I believe I never said spectre sucks either,though he is a well known jobber.

Oneshotting a guy who is skyfather level is supposed to be impressive to a celestial?.
Like a random spell from Asgard?

Spectre just enchants his fist and kills them all.

How about that?

Considering they have never oneshotted a skyfather? Yes.

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like a random spell from Asgard?

Spectre just enchants his fist and kills them all.

How about that?

Considering they have never oneshotted a skyfather? Yes.

Yea something like that,which seemed to affect celestials very badly

Considering what arishem did to 3 skyfathers,and how they thrashed the destroyer armour with the power of just about every asgardian and 1000 years of prep,sky father level is useless

You think spectre could kill scathan or tiamut after his ascension? Or would kill several million celestials at once?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Yea something like that,which seemed to affect celestials very badly

Considering what arishem did to 3 skyfathers,and how they thrashed the destroyer armour with the power of just about every asgardian and 1000 years of prep,sky father level is useless

You think spectre could kill scathan or tiamut after his ascension? Or would kill several million celestials at once?
So a random spell from Asgard >>>celestials and you wonder why they suck?

Arishem did not oneshotted any skyfather last I remember. Heck, they did not even oneshotted Thor.

Scathan isn't a celestial in the current timeline.

Considering Tiamut was killed by an Exterminator, I'd say so.

BeyonderGod
How and why was this rebumped?

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, just a few words and you flew off the handle. So typical. Now lets see what do you actually have you pompous buffoon.

You don't get it, I seriously don't give a **** about what you wrote here either.

So write another essay, why don't ya? Flew off the handle? The amount of made up fantasy in your posts are pretty high.

You don't give a shit yet you really want my opinion of everything.

See, you complain about essays yet you think merely posting handwaving sentences makes up for it. Look at you bragging that you've posting a 7 post reply when your post only adds up to 1.5 limit breaking posts without the benefits of my posts adding in. In your mind you think you've posted some huge post that is inarguable, yet you think apparently giving me compliments on "essays" is something that's going to hurt my feelings?

"He wants to post essays, I'll show him an essay... spread out into single sentences along 7 posts, and then I'll mock him about essays."

Since a lot of the reason I responded to all your handwaving was because of adding in a message, I won't be directly addressing your handwaving here considering all it is is "No" posts. It's just a big circle. I think colors would be best to respond to anything that actually has a point or you actually try in... how many colors you see depends on how many points are even worth replying to. Which I get pretty generous of what's actually worth replying to I'll admit.

And in case you're wondering because you even accuse me of simply saying "nuh uh", there's a difference between merely saying "NO!" in verbatim and actually explaining why you disagree and going through it thoroughly. I'm actually using logic as opposed to simply disagreeing. You might not disagree with it, but even a child should be able to tell the difference between your handwaving and me disagreeing. And that's not bias on my part, that's just using a better way to go about things. You think merely adding a sentence without explaining why you disagree is enough to overrule something purely because you replied to it. I don't, which is why I go in depth and you don't.

And yes, everything I already said that you simply tried to handwave away would still apply considering you didn't even attempt to go against it besides just covering your ears and screaming no. I don't even need to reply here besides a couple things because you've brought nothing to the table except a big giant whiney NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You're even replying to parts of my post asking you to explain your handwaving where you just disagree without explaining why. You even accuse me of doing it when you're replying to me saying you're doing it. laughing out loud
Hell at the start of your post you reply to something where I said Johns wrote 50-100 issues of Spectre and Bendis wrote 6 issues and I asked you to explain why they're the same. You didn't even try. I don't know if you're trolling or what at this point in time but you're absolutely awful at debating either way.

How to debate like Abhi:

"I'm rubber you're glue"

*Also, while you might write two sentences instead of a single one here, the thought is the same. It's just pointless to distinguish it

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what carver says too. Welcome to carver league bran.

He merged with Gah Lak Tus and still got his ass handed to him. But why does it matter? Even Johns wrote some beastly feats for Spectre. Did Bendis?

Getting beaten by dimensional BFR must've hurt you bran.

You can't explain it because there is nothing you can spin. How do you spin getting beaten by simple BFR anyway?

Seriously? Quote where I said anything like that.

You mean you are doing it, right? Because that's a very nice projection right there.

Just because you say so? Sorry bran, the days of you making the rules are long gone.

Suuuuuuuure.

Does it matter? Where was Galactus then? Oh right, getting his ass raped by a less powerful Krona. The same Krona who the league and Avengers managed to Repel in issue 3. But being not able to use here doesn't mean its non canon. And its all about comparisons. Galactus was a gnat to Krona.

You are not very good at repeating things. But carry on if it suits your ego.

Ham everything is "No, you" arguments. Nice job.


He does not. But I'm pretty sure even you know that. Show me Galactus even in a fed state turning a skyfather in ice. Heck, show me Galactus oneshotting a skyfather. I'll wait. Here is a hint: They both happened under Johns.

Cool story bran.

What are you talking about? I didn't even mention mxy.

Writing a lot of words there bran. Be careful.

Which it doesn't. You are merely repeating something totally unproven and ignoring any feat Spectre has as high feat.

Here is a hint: Nobody gives a damn. Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Him merging with Gah Lak Tus wasn't even under Bendis you big stupid idiot. That Galactus tanked a supernova as well and was "defeated" (Gah Lak Tus forcefully ripped from him) by having being hit by a weapon that ripped through universes on him and all that did was make him hungry. Hell, that "superweapon" lead directly into his hunger state under Bendis' pen.

And yes, Johns did write some beastly feats for Spectre (though it was against characters he underwrote anyway), but when your argument is that Johns shit on Spectre for the many many appearances he wrote of him that doesn't compare to Bendis writing 6 issues of 616 Galactus. I really don't understand how you feel this is even a comparison. He wrote Galactus standing around for 6 issues to get BFR'ed at the end. That's it. Johns wrote many many arcs involving Spectre with many many low feats in there that even yourself admit.

And it's not like Bendis even wrote Galactus low either. He took an incredibly hungry Galactus and bfr'ed him. You're going on basically one low showing IYO and comparing it to many low showings. How do you even think this works out to the same thing? How was Bendis as important a figure in Galactus as Johns was in Spectre? You still haven't explained this. You haven't even begun to explain this besides repeating it.

It's a stupid thing to defeat Galactus, I never disagreed with, but there's nothing exactly low in that except Galactus' power getting forgotten. You're trying to add words into my mouth there. A dimensional BFR is a lot better than actually losing... unless you think Superman getting BFR'ed by Surfer immediately means something in a Superman/Surfer thread.

Just because you think it's low, doesn't mean I do as well. I just think Bendis blatantly disregarded his powers.

lol at spinning though. Your entire part here is you trying to spin this into something I think. And to spin Bendis/Galactus into the same thing as Johns/Spectre. And you continue to ignore me actually asking you why it would even start to be the same thing.

Well the first part is me saying you can't even begin to explain your points, so I'd have to quote nearly everything you said. erm

But as for the "I don't like it, it didn't happen" you do, well let's take a random peak here:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Johns did nothing to Spectre. The main writers of Spectre are Dematteis and Ostrander. Johns didn't do anything with the spectre except making him job.

Which is funny considering you're now championing Johns Spectre. Consistency

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It's not even canon to Galactus. And everytime you bring it up you get yelled at by the mods. Like, you're a huge glutton for punishment.
It's not like Krona even attacked Spectre anyway.

But yes like I said, it'd be another high feat. Of which you've used essentially nothing to try and override an average or whatever the **** you're doing at this stage in time. I've already admitted using high feats only for Spectre he can win. I've asked you for high feats because it factors into an average of which you've just tried to ignore this entire time. You even try and flip the script later because you refuse to acknowledge that Spectre's history as a whole might not be as impressive as you're trying to portray... or at least until you get the chance to shit on Spectre when it directly threatens Superman in the future.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

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Did you just say Spectre doesn't have a lower average than what you're saying and he has no low feats? Jesus Christ the delusion here. You've already blatantly admitted Johns only wrote low feats, and now you're saying he has no low feats? Talk about changing arguments completely.

But anyway, curious if ripping a fully intact Celestial counts under your specific questions.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

How stupid are you? I merely mentioned a high feat for Spectre and then posted your prior opinion on it before you could bring it up. I only posted it to cut you off from championing it. Now you're playing stupid, which I guess is to be expected.

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One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
And in the process you wrote off any feats Spectre has.

Good job.

If all the feats mentioned here don't impress you, I don't think anything else will. But just like you said Spectre has unimpressive average, I say its horseshit. Prove your stance bran, impress me.


Yes, do you have any problem with it?

Because it is? Why don't you tell me about all these low feats and how only low feats matter for Spectre. For your kind information, John Ostrander retconned all his low showings from silver age in Martian Manhunter 23 saying that Spectre was always at half power in those issues.

After you, of course. You're the winning one here, right?


Such a nice dichotomy right here. When was the last time Galactus caught attention of TOAA btw?

Because it was the only way of stopping him. Unlike dimensional BFR.

Its still an achievement to catch God's attention when you consider all the instances of Spectre going on rampage and God did nothing.

Why it doesn't? Just because he is connected to God doesn't mean God is always watching over him.

Who said he was omnipotent or something? But you're getting desperate here for something you can't spin. Good.

I already have. You may or may not accept it.

Why didn't God acted in any previous rampage of Spectre if that's the only reason?

Like I said you're not good at repeating things.

Now I have to just laugh at you.

Sure, sure. Just because you say so, right?

laughing out loud

Handwaving in five paragraphs.

Lots of "whys". Just tell me one thing, if God hadn't stopped him who would have? Why did the writer specifically used God for restraining Spectre. Surely for such a shitty being with such low average, any being could have stopped him.

I didn't. But even in the jobbing, he was able to separate Parallax from Hal.

Nope.

Yeah, that really messed up your panties. Worry not. Its still on print and more relevant than your rantings.

Revisionist history.

He was outright stated to be more powerful than Galactus. And he was fed at the time having destroyed another planet.

http://i.imgur.com/M6qNyDp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hMHpPs7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2WhKgqU.jpg

But outright lying now, eh?

At that level of power, Mxy could have beaten Spectre by anything. Voltron Celestial killed Galactus with a blast and it didn't do anything to earth which was just in the atmosphere.

http://i.imgur.com/1eQ7HH2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RdtmsVy.jpg

It only made a crater. Not to mention the same voltron celestial was taken out by a portion of Sun's power.

http://i.imgur.com/RMUGAIo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wkgOGXq.jpg

Galactus sucks, amirite?

Superman survived two planets being pushed by source under the same writer. John Stewart survived a supernova under the same writer. Galactus was in danger of getting killed by a supernova in Infinity Crusade under the same writer. Someone twice as powerful as Galactus died by a planet being destroyed under the same writer. God, galactus sucks.
It was.



Sure, sure. I didn't write off any feats Spectre has done. In fact I've outright stated he had decent highs. I'm just saying there's a lot of bad in there that you have to sift through. There's a reason posts like this exist:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"The weakest Spectre"
"Spectre's highest feat"

Do I need to look at this to point out the issue here?

Like I said, wading through an awful lot of garbage. At least Galactus has an excuse, Spectre is just beaten up for no reason Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, just because he had trouble with Anti Monitor.

And Nekron.

And Abraxus.

And Parallax.

And a big yellow bug.

And Joker.

And... Libra. roll eyes (sarcastic)


The best Spectre's ever looked was vs Great Evil Beast. Got chewed up and spat out as usual, of course, but Moore did a really good job building him into this beast of a cosmic god, like no one's ever really done with him.. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
King of Tear

And Neron

And Lkz

And Cain

And the Butcher

And the Rainbow Corps

And Kulak

And Radiant

And Eclipso

Yeah. You could go on for a while. Spectre is pretty unimpressive. Decent highs. A lot of lows. His highest feats are losing to Michael...

He's basically a more powerful Martian Manhunter. One day I might look through all his appearances to see the full extent.

Considering you're now of the opinion that Spectre has no low feats at all even though you admitted he did earlier, it would seem pretty controversial to you.

But it's hilarious how you just gave up and just said "you first" after I asked you to prove your stance. I have no problem doing so, but I asked you first and you just deflected that with no shame.

Even his DOV showing that you're using for whatever reason that you can't explain why it applies besides your pride isn't very impressive when you're dealing with this level. In fact, that story is the whole reason people think Spectre is a Skyfather level being. Oh yeah, pooled energy and God!

He has decent highs in a small quantity, bad lows, and then he has showings where he just gets raped by really powerful beings. And then feats where he looks decent, but he's doing it to people far below him. Which doesn't paint this "Beyond Celestial Race" shit you're trying to portray here. If we're solely talking high feats, then I've no issue saying he beats Galactus... which I've stated before. If we're talking full histories, then it becomes muddied, of which I'm undecided who wins at this stage. Which I've stated before. I don't know what you're having trouble with, though with your ability to not understand anything it makes sense.

I'm not saying his high feats don't impress me, I'm saying give me some actual high feats in a decent quantity to overwrite what every other feat portrays. Averages aren't decided solely by like 5-ish high feats. The fact that posts like this exist from you when it's in favor of a different DC character vs a Marvel one farther proves your hypocrisy:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Half helm fate knocked out Spectre with a headbutt.

uhuh

http://i.imgur.com/ZogNBOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pr9u50a.jpg

Low showings are alright as long as it causes Marvel characters to lose.


Well, considering you're trying to handwave away something with "it's horseshit", I think most would assume that doesn't answer anything. Which explains this whole argument. You simply won't explain anything and you think a single sentence without explaining anything defeats a point.

I'm not saying only low feats matter for Spectre. I'm saying they factor into an average. And considering I don't think his average feats are too impressive on this level, it factors in even more. I'm saying that you have to make a separation between average Spectre and high feats only Spectre. Hell, didn't you just whine and complain about Galactus being involved in a multiversal destroying fight and act like it shouldn't count, which if you weren't such a hypocrite, it'd seem you'd agree with my basic idea. If you're going to make such claims however, it's relevant to include what exactly you're using. And you utterly refuse to even budge on that because you're a massive egotistical prick who never admits he's wrong.

"Spectre's average is so high, look at these high feats while I change my argument into saying he has no low feats."

Just like JMD tried to retcon Galactus into having no form and he takes form to manifest to lesser beings. It didn't stick. However, him retconning Spectre's power is completely irrelevant as he never got the power back (until Jim Corrigan died anyway). But that's just looking at one page. Let's actually get a real answer between this instead of OMG RETCON SPECTRE TOUGH

In fact, it was only Phantom Stranger who appeared in 2 pages that issue who said it... and it took half of Spectre's power to keep the Jim Corrigan avatar alive who then manifested that power himself. Which considering how in depth they didn't go with PS retconning Spectre's history away, it would seem that Jim when he's with Spectre is full power, and Unbound Spectre with Jim still alive is only half power. But is that my assumption, or is that what happened?
Here's the full scene:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p12.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p13.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p14.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p16.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p17.jpg.html

IE, everything PS said was correct, but only when Spectre and Jim were separate. That would seem a pretty logical take of the events, no? But the issue takes it a step farther:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p20.jpg.html

Jim-Spectre manifested takes back the unbound Spectre and he says his power is restored. IE they pool together and add up to a whole when they're together. They are at full power when together. There is nothing to my recollection that says they aren't. Merely checking out one page on comicvine doesn't tell a whole story Abby. So, you can say Unbound Spectre is at half power when Jim is alive at the time, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate he is half power when he's merged with Jim. That's just another one of your braindead assumptions based on a blatant misinterpretation of comics.

And that's leaving out the obvious question of why the **** wouldn't two halves of Spectre be at full power when they're together? laughing out loud

And that's also assuming we merely take PS' word on Spectre as absolute fact and absolutely retcons every Unbound appearance as well when Jim is the "host".

One Big Mob
Galactus isn't even connected to God. The fact that Spectre has any connection at all to God voids any comparisons. Hell, Marvel's God barely interferes with anything, and considering Marvel's God thought Thanos' body could withstand the THOTU... I guess Thanos getting his attention is something worthy in a debate? I am really dumbfounded of how you think this is something worthy of anything. Spectre directly ended an age of magic, and Spectre is directly God's pet. God's pet did something big and God couldn't ignore it. That doesn't mean his power directly caught God's attention OR WHATEVER YOUR POINT IS WITH THIS THAT YOU CONTINUE TO AVOID ANSWERING.

None of Spectre's rampages even came close to inflicting as much damage as DOV did iirc. We've seen Michael capable of ending Spectre's rampages before... easily. Just because he wasn't deployed that doesn't make Spectre above him (assuming that factors into your point since again you fail to explain how this is relevant). Spectre directly ended an age of magic. The plot dictated his master interfere which easily ended Spectre's rampage. God's Wrath caught God's attention. I don't see the big deal.

Evidentially God isn't always watching him, I mean the rampage happened in the first place. The entire point was that Spectre went overboard with a big thing and it caught God's attention. I'd like to think God takes notice if such a big thing happen anyway even if he doesn't interfere, let alone if it's his own Wrath doing it manipulated by another of his avatars. I mean he is God after all.

I said omnipotent because you blatantly refuse to explain yourself. If I'm desperate for anything it's to try and get you to explain your points instead of just tossing them out there and expecting people to understand why it's impressive. You just separated a whole bunch of points and outright refused to explain... because you can't I'm sure of at this point. You didn't expect me to question it and then kept up the charade. But yes, if your point is that out of everyone in DC, only God could stop him, then that puts him pretty high into the omnipotent territory, does it not? Or did you not think that through when you thought your questions answered everything?
And what you're ignoring is that the most powerful being he beat is Nabu. There's a huge jump in power from Nabu to God. Which only farther solidifies that it was entirely due to the Ninth Age... like what everything in the comic says, and not Spectre's power level at the time.

Because it was a bigger rampage? Duh. Do you not read full sections before you respond? In the same section I say it was because of the Ninth Age ending. That would indicate why he interfered here. Everything adds up Abhi. I'm not you, my points aren't separate thoughts for every different sentence.

Did you just say "a lot of whys" in a sentence directly after you accuse me of handwaving? laughing out loud
Because explaining why things aren't the way they are is simply me handwaving them away. Warped mind Abhi.

Michael could have easily stopped him for instance. The issue however is that there wasn't a lot of actual powerful beings around at that specific period in time. You'd be hard pressed to find someone in universe capable of stopping Spectre. Because contrary to what you think I think of him, he's still powerful. However DOV was a product of the timeframe. Anyone who's previously owned Spectre would be capable of it, but they weren't around and they weren't exactly fighting on the side of good. Just because God can easily dispose of Spectre, that doesn't mean you can make that jump to make it mean something. Even if there were people around at the time, it's about as meaningless as saying only Galactus could beat Sphinx, and Kallreich:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/Marvel-ShadowsLight3pg44.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/FF212_05.jpg

According to Abby logic, Kallreich/Sphinx are the most powerful beings every outside Galactus. Plus 1 for logic.

Everytime a statement says "the only being that can stop him" that doesn't mean that every being is included in that conversation... oh wait, I forgot how much you rely on that to try and say Superman is the most powerful being ever. My mistake.

Not to mention it wasn't even stated only God could stop him. In fact, here it says exactly what I've been saying and what anyone who reads the comic thinks:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2037_1.jpg

To go one step farther however, here Nabu says that "ONCE AGAIN HE has to take you to whoever's available"
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/106e8f0c-c0b0-406b-8337-3ec5b78bfbb3.jpg

Indicating that God places God's Wrath inside a human host because God has a direct connection to God's wrath. And God the creator of God's Wrath has placed God's Wrath inside a human host before. Like, ****, how are you so dense? Everytime God places Spectre inside a human host God is the only one who can stop him? Among other things. But you're just going to play stupid there, so what's the point?


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Do you not know how to read? I said Omega hasn't done anything to indicate he was above Galactus. Here, here's a quote of me saying it:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Red herring

Nothing Omega did was beyond Galactus. Also Omega couldn't even actually absorb powers adequately at the time anyway.

Which is true. The first thing that pops up on Omega is that he's "twice as powerful as Galactus". I'm not trying to hide that, I know it, you know it, it's like the most well know thing about him. What I'm saying is that he has done nothing to indicate he's above Galactus. Using hyperbole doesn't disprove that. Might as well say Martian Manhunter is stronger than Superman.

I'm not lying you moron, I'm using proof to indicate it. The fact that you later try to use Galactus getting smashed by two planets as a low feat, and reply to Galactus tanking a nova, when both are above Omega under Starlin shows even you don't think it's applicable to Galactus. Just because Omega got killed by a planet when Galactus has tanked more in weaker states that doesn't mean it's applicable to Galactus. Use your Goddamned head. You're using a completely other character to try and downplay Galactus when even Starlin has way better feats for Galactus. And that's without getting into context.

Just because he has a lot of hyperbole doesn't mean his feats - or more specifically in your case, low feats - are applicable to Galactus. Though I know you desperately want it to be. The planet eater Galactus has no feats to indicate he'd get killed by a planet getting blown up. You can't apply it to him. Simple really.

One Big Mob
So you'd be alright with Mxy theoretically killing Spectre with a pillow then?

But there's a difference between not causing collateral damage and literally hitting someone with an object. Not to mention the blast didn't even go past Galactus in the first place to hit the planet, so you utterly failed there like usual. You've failed your comparison already.

But onto the Mxy example. The planets blew up completely against the Galactuses. Mxy knocked out Spectre by hitting him with the planet that wasn't even enough to destroy the planet completely. If he hit him that hard in that way it should have went right through the planet considering the downward motion.
Though it's funny you try and lowball planets when it comes to Galactus, but try and play them up for Spectre like Mxy makes the planets harder or something.

There's context for both. I'm just trying to get you to realize that just because it involves a planet doesn't mean it's low. Which you never will.

And onto the sun example. The same three Celestials unfused were beating Adult Franklin who (Kid Franklin) could create universes and stave off multiversal collapse for a time. The fact that you'd try and use the sun to lowball the Celestials and therefore Galactus when YOU'RE A SUPERMAN FAN is hilarious though. As you're well aware, just because you're empowered by something, that doesn't limit your power to that level.

Not to mention the Celestials tanked the UN on two different occasions in that arc as well. Like... it's hilarious the lengths you go.

laughing out loud
It always comes back to Superman. Superman surviving the equivalent of two small planets colliding and getting knocked out isn't the same. Though I'll admit it doesn't look good. At least Galactus was weakened and the explosion almost killed a dimension eater, so there's that.

John barely survived. Galactus survived completely unscathed. But you fail to realize (surprisingly) why I brought up the Nova. I didn't bring it up as a good feat. I brought it up because when Galactus can utterly tank a nova, then it makes the planets blowing up either look questionable, or some sort of unknown explosion considering the sizable nuclear device. The planets were either greater than the Nova, or it was pis within its own story if we're looking at it so black and white as you are. Though I've had a more intelligent conversation with Astner on this than you, so I won't waste my time trying to explain it to such a dumb ass.

Galactus wasn't even in Infinity Crusade. Though it's humorous you still continue to use a vision of a universe blowing up through a supernova(s?) as some sort of low feat... for every character imaginable. Galactus has tanked two supernovas. Even if he appeared in Infinity Crusade, that wasn't even real. Why the hell would that overwrite anything? And that's without factoring the fact that Goddess was blowing them up backed by the Cosmic Egg. Which you tried to make a point of Superman survived two planets pushed by the Source. So... I don't understand the limits of your desperation.

Omega isn't even Galactus. Nor again does he have anything proving in way of feats that he's beyond Galactus. You can't just mix hyperbole with feats when you refuse to accept feats of Galactus.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Lots of "Nuh-uh, its just you" arguments here. But as for you, Spectre created the big bang, right? SO are you saying, you were wrong in that stance?

But Parallax's energy wasn't totally absorbed at that point by the heroes at that point. Your whole point was that Spectre created the big bang and hence Superman wasn't a factor there. Don't tell me you're backtracking now.

So has Galactus contributed in creating a big bang?
When in the **** have I ever said Spectre solely recreated the big bang? Why do you lie all the time and even misinterpret other poster's words?
I'd go find a quote of me saying exactly what happened, but you're literally replying to a paraphrased version:

"I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved."

I don't even know what I'd be backtracking on. I've always maintained the stance that Parallax's energy were enough on there own, as even indicated by Parallax. The only thing I left out was it being the plasma energy of the universe as opposed to Parallax himself. Just because you're too stupid to understand anything doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth. But let's go over the actual feat right here:

Parallax starts creating a universe with plasma energy that when hardened, will create a universe:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-06.jpg

The heroes start absorbing energy from that universe:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-16.jpg.html

In two pages, they've absorbed "Most" of Parallax's energy.

Then while still absorbing energy (the energy is shown still flowing into the heroes), they start putting the energy into Damage. Everything seems to indicate that this is enough on its own to cause a big bang. Even Parallax says so.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-17.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-18.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-19.jpg.html

Then when Damage is near enough to blow up, Spectre comes in and puts it over the top:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-20.jpg.html


Parallax's energies were the number 1 factor there. Spectre just came in and topped it off quicker. That's not to say it's a bad feat for Spectre like whatever you think I'm saying, but it's not solely attributable to Spectre, and I've never said otherwise.

Though this is hilarious coming from you considering you tried to completely write Spectre and Parallax's energies out of the feat, yet here you are being a giant hypocrite again. Also funny asking you when Galactus had a hand in creating a big bang considering you used to think (still think) Superman contributed 1/4 worth of a big bang, so my answer to you would be that uh... if Superman contributed a large portion IYO, then where's the feat?

Though that's just sinking down to your butthurt levels. Galactus has never contributed to a big bang because he hasn't tried. However considering your latest Galactus butthurt has you butthurting over the multiverse destroying feat with the Order/Scrier, I'd say that's applicable.

However, let's take a look at some quotes from that thread. Here's some major hypocrisy from you:
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't actually provided the power, Damage was ready to go boom before Spectre overloaded him. You know what overloaded means, right? Here we go again. So when did Thor's lightning contributed in creating a big bang again? Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre overloaded him. Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and Ray provided him the energy to restart creation as shown explicitly in Doomsday Wars and recapped in 52.

But way to miss the on panel description.


Here's what I said on the subject:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The heroes drained off most of Parallax's power and put it into Damage and then Spectre completely overloaded him...

Not sure how much of that can be attributed to Superman... seems kind of like he threw a box of delicious chicken wing bones into a dump. I want chicken wings now.

Oh look, even back then you misinterpreted what I said. You really are terrible at reading:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I never said Spectre was the only one to cause anything. Go back and read my post.

So yeah, don't put words in my mouth just because you lack a fundamental reading comprehension past the 4th grade.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a pleasure.

Again "nuh-uh, it was you". Lulz. Ahahaha. Let me do that again.


Bwahahahahahahahaa. So many tears from you. Its quite delicious.

Everytime you do the same thing. Write an essay, get the last word and declare yourself a winner because I didn't cared enough to write an essay back.

No more though. See how far your inflated ego can take you with these empty words.

Or not caring enough to repeat something. But sure, sure.

I'm not the one who flew off the handle and posted five essays here just because of a few words I said. Look into a mirror bran.

So, handwaving it away? Good. That only means you've no argument left.

Its a direct statement of power from Asmodel. You don't like it? Go sue Geoff Johns about how he dared to write it.

Don't cry to me. Gotcha?

Glad you accepted that statement. Now wipe off your tears.

Of course it did. You are so civil, as you've repeatedly said here. Civil people don't swear bran. Sure, sure.

Sure, sure.

Did you make in your tampons?

Alex Luthor was recreating infinite universes before Crisis. That was his goal all along. But sure.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123877/3195696-comicvine.jpg

Did I?

That's a lot of words to handwave the feat away. Good, you're making progress. Concession accepted BTW.

And your point being? That somehow "energy" used to power it is somehow not applicable to the quantity of energy?

Haha, this is just idiotic. Alex flat out said that for creating the multiverse he needed energy and that came from magic.

That's why I call you a buffoon. You deserve it.

And the energy to do so came from something Spectre did. You're trying your hardest to deny a flat out statement. Guess what, it also came from Johns.

Some shitty average, eh? Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

You'd be hard pressed to see me parading around declaring myself the winner in any debate. erm
The only time that happens is when people become insufferable dicks with absolute awful posts. Like yourself for instance. And even then it takes a lot for myself to declare myself winning. As for the essays, like I've said many times, that's easy as shit. Though these series of posts are admittedly more difficult, but that's just because I'm finding it hard to find the motivation to reply considering how worthless your posts are. It's pretty much just the colors keeping me entertained at this point. So this will probably be the last exchange from me. if you find words hard though, then you should probably go find a different hobby than polishing Superman's cock on multiple sites. The fact that you think "essays" is an insult is something else though. How dare I try to be thorough. The way to prove your point is to handwave away anything you disagree with, without explaining in any detail why. All debates should just be big pictures of the word "NOPE!". Also speak of how much you don't give a shit while rushing out "points".

As worthless as your posts are, I guess it's just my personal ego that makes me continue. Either that or me just knowing you're wrong. But I'm not going to cry I don't give a shit at this point in time considering I've tried to use logic to prove you wrong this entire time. Stop lying to yourself little girl. The amount of times you have to say it isn't convincing anyone.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

LOL at you using the Carver excuse. "I didn't write it, DC did... I'm only using it in this thread in direct relation to you when multiple people have pointed out my bullshit in using it."

I like how you handwaved this away though. I know I said I would try not to address handwaving but it's hard when that's most of your posts.

Didn't you say earlier you weren't using the DOV feat against God to say that Spectre was omnipotent, yet you think using hyperbole that God fears Spectre's power which would make Spectre on God's level is OK?

If you believe this feat, then why are you refusing to back it up in any capacity? Asmodel has not only no measure of God, but Spectre has no feats to indicate he'd accomplish anything against the guy who gives him his power and controls him like a fetus. It's purely hyperbole based on absolutely nothing. The fact that you'd even bring this up, let alone defend this in multiple posts is probably the most desperate thing I've seen you do... recently.

And the fact that I can't distinguish whether you're trolling or not with this feat makes me a little bit disappointed as well. I hope you are I guess. But you're also a desperate scorned little boy so I wouldn't put this delusion past you.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Finally you try to prove something. Though I'm curious why you chose to try to prove anything in something that doesn't matter... but, strides I guess.

Though that doesn't indicate infinite universes, but I'm not too worried about it.


Yes, you did. You literally replied to something where I said the same thing and you acted like I was wrong. How delusional are you? Here's my quote:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well


Here's what you posted in response two paragraphs above this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23168988_shift.jpg

You are not even trying now.

Which basically just confirms my suspicions that you don't read arguments before replying. Now I'm conceding because I agreed with the paraphrased version of that page? Your mind is completely broken isn't it? Did you get heatstroke again?


Not only is that the way it goes in comics, but you're using a feat which you think is all the magic in a universe being the sole power behind the creation of infinite universes... does this not bring up a red flag or something for you? Seems odd to me, but I'm not going to dwell on it too much considering this wasn't Spectre's power.
Not to mention the post you were replying to was you replying to a post being well... abhi... was of something I already said. Which was my point originally.

Alex flat out stated he needed fuel for the machine. It was never actually stated if the energy created the multiverse or not. IE, what I said was correct. It left holes in there which are open for interpretation. My point. Though however, like I've said before it doesn't matter because again it wasn't Spectre's energy that did this. This is basically a side debate on the specifics of a machine not exactly blueprinted in comics and how it worked. By all means "fuel" doesn't exactly paint it as a creation energy. However even if it did, it changes nothing. Spectre could have killed the entire multiverse one at a time, and while the casualties and separate powerful beings he killed would be impressive, the combined total wouldn't factor into his actual power, only a statistic. No one would go into a LOOK WHO WE'RE ARGUING HERE Galactus debate and just drop him killing billions upon billions of beings and act like that jumps out on its own. A rampage is really no different than an entire history if he's fighting them one at a time and getting powerful all throughout. I've no doubts all the beings Thor has defeated would be able to create a couple universes worth of energy if you pooled it all together, but that doesn't factor into Thor unless he beat all that power pooled together. It's a non feat besides an impressive history.

The fact that you can't even begin to explain it says more than the mouthful you're currently choking down.

And the fact that you're using a statement from a different event to factor into John's average of Spectre is pretty sad as well. Especially after admitting that Johns jobs Spectre.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Johns did nothing to Spectre. The main writers of Spectre are Dematteis and Ostrander. Johns didn't do anything with the spectre except making him job.

One Big Mob

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
In the same page Nabu says Spectre is deluded. So hard to read for you, right?

Are you alright or did you hit your head? Spectre fought Fate in JSA 74 and casually defeated him. He turned Phantom Stranger in a mouse, casually oneshotted Thunderbolt, casually defeated Dr Fate and the closest anybody came to defeat him were Cap with the magic of entire universe and Shazam.

http://i.imgur.com/sZyDt86.jpg

Here is how he dealt with Nabu imprisoning, Mordru stomping Dr. Fate. Shitty average.

That only adds to how powerful Nabu was. Its not a bad showing for Spectre, its a very high showing for Nabu.

And it shows how powerful Nabu was. Not that Spectre was weak. He was stomping skyfather level being effortlessly, unless you think Phantom Stranger and Thunderbolt are not skyfather level.

Why are you saying it like its a low showing for Spectre. Nabu is after all above people like Kismet and Eternity.

Canonically.

Yes, I am. Unless you think only shazam and Nabu had enough power to give so much power that entire multiverse was created by it. In that case, lulz.

Yes, it was an insult. Happy?

Not out of N zone, he can't. Canon.

Because spectre can just BFR him even if he does not has a soul. He couldn't do it to Nekron.

But Nekron would push Galactus' shit in. So meh either ways.

Next you would say he could beat Nekron too. Remember how it went against Mikaboshi? Or Zeus powered by Mikaboshi?

Ouch.

Of course it does. The neutral battlezone has properties of both DC and Marvel universes. Its not even any special dimension like Phantom Zone.

And why can't I? Is it non canon or something?



What? I said Crispus was holding back his power the entire time he was spectre. You tried using it as if he was holding back his power in Revelations only.

"yeah right"


Did you even read Final Crisis? The ALE was effecting entire multiverse. We literally saw entire multiverse going into a black hole.

"God's creation", "creation" is just earth.

I don't even know what's wrong with you. Are you autistic or something?

Because its contradicted everytime by saying it was just a universe. When HOTU remade entire "God's creation"?

You first.

And?

Good job reading a scan for once.

Did you even read what I said? I guess no.



I'm glad you vent up all your anger. Kool story bran.


Khill bran.

"God's creation". Handwave that away bran.

Wut?

You flew out off your handle because I actually tried to speak of some feats for Spectre. That's real butthurt right there.

It did.

Just because you're not able to accept it, doesn't means its invalid. 'God's creation" bran. It chafes, doesn't it?

So are you saying all the universes shown in Final Crisis affected by ALE were not actually affected by ALE?

Way to go bran.

"God's creation".

"God's creation", universes included in the same arc. Somehow writer forgot about that. Only bran remembered it of course.



In the very same scan it says "God created heaven and earth".

Somehow God forgot adding 'heaven" when he considered what's "God's creation".




Damn internet. Again lots of words and so little meaning from you. Typical. There you go trying to handwave things away without actually understanding what you're talking about again. I'm not saying Dr Fate is some sort of low feat here, I'm saying Spectre outright says he is more powerful here. I mean, for Satan's sake, did you even read what I was replying to here:
Originally posted by abhilegend
To repower himself. But that's neither here nor there.


I mean, did you even read the full part that you forcefully separated?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg

"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!"

And considering he fought Dr Fate at the height of his powers in issue 2 of Day of Vengeance, and he got more powerful per his own admission (hell he later admitted that he thought he destroyed a lot of magic when asked how much he absorbed, but right here he says he got more powerful, which means he didn't go overboard but still absorbed power), then that means he was absorbing magic. You say he merely absorbed all energy he could off the Rock of Eternity, the Baubles, and Shazam to get back to full power, which means he was absorbing energy outside of that fight. smile

Which means you're wrong. He was absorbing magic, though not in severe excess to a point where he could easily kill Nabu. It wasn't all his power.

And then he either absorbed a shit load of random magic, or focused it into an attack to destroy Nabu. So we have 1 fight where he outright absorbs a bunch of power, 1 fight where he channels a whole bunch in a wild attack, and an admittance of getting more powerful where you think he merely got to full power, which means he was absorbing more under your logic.

But all that aside, why wouldn't he absorb magic after seeing what it could do? Is Spectre also completely retarded under your pen as well? And he just desperately created that last attack against Nabu in that moment as well?

So basically, Spectre was getting more powerful at the very least after the Shazam fight where he started killed the big dawgs.

Even if you do reply without reading full posts, I even said it earlier as well, which I shouldn't need to quote.

Spectre says he himself is more powerful. Nabu says he's deluded because Spectre thinks he's Dr Fate. The two don't intercept. Think before you post.

Do you not know how to read? No where that you quoted there actually talked about the battle. I am clearly talking about him absorbing power. Because I was saying he started absorbing magic and using it. Pay attention.

And I'm using Fate because at the time Spectre wasn't weakened by anything in the story at that point. IE, he was at full normal power. If he gets more power from that point on, he's getting amped. Fate is irrelevant in the example. Just because if the roles were reversed you'd be using this to lowball Spectre, that doesn't mean I'm actually doing it off that example.

To repeat because you're very slow. Spectre becoming more powerful from when he was at full power means he was amping himself. He was amped when he fought Nabu at the very least. You seem to kind of get it after but that doesn't explain your top part...

It's an incredibly high showing for Nabu. He went from losing to a weakened Mordru to still losing to an amped Spectre. Just because of your hype swallowing, that doesn't mean it's some acceptable feat that just looks great all around. It doesn't exactly look good for Spectre... unless we go the Abby route and make up random unsupported levels.

Did you just defend Spectre using pre Flashpoint Phantom Stranger? laughing out loud

I can't even pretend that I know any good Thunderbolt feats outside the Morrison arc where Lkz owns Spectre and Thunderbolt fights him. Which is conflicting to say the least... I have severe doubts that you would as well... even if you weren't stuck in refusing to explain anything mode. But simply throwing their names out and saying "Skyfather eh, eh?" works for you I guess.

BFR'ing a severely weakened Mordru I guess for T-Bolt?

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

You aren't. You're forgoing feats in lieu of something entirely irrelevant. If you just worried about Nabu like you are now and used his individual wins it'd be another story. But you're more focused on the pooled energy because you think it sounds better even though you can't actually explain it, and have outright refused to try. A simple mind from a simple being. You see something you think is impressive at first glance and even if you fail to understand how it applies you still use it and then turn into a brick wall when questioned.

You want to use the actual fights? Fine do that, though it will be still be context ridden considering you, but it's better than you applying basically nothing to it. I've told you this is the way to go. You should realize this.

And no, I'm not saying Shazam and Nabu are the only things he killed that add to that. What a stupid thing to try and pin on me. I'm saying they are the two most powerful beings he killed and they are far from universal. I realize all the Lords together are multiversal, but individually they aren't that impressive. You'd be hard pressed to find anything from Nabu for example that puts him above Odin. Which speaking of, Odin effortlessly deflected an attack that had enough power to set the multiverse on fire, so...

And if he's killing a whole bunch of sub Odin level beings contrary to your random Eternity shenanigans, then why are we suddenly pumping him up based on the energy as a whole as opposed to the people he actually fought? Which I already know the answer to that question, but really. erm

Plus this is ignoring all the magic lying around after he fought Captain Marvel who beat the utter shit out of him until he ran out as well. Which while impressive that Spectre kind of held his own, it wasn't exactly applicable to what Spectre is above.

And we know for a fact that all that magic Alex used would mop the floor with Spectre so again I completely fail to see why the pooled energy is some sort of feat. It's just some desperate thing for you to cling to like usual.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 6.

One Big Mob
No I didn't you absolute moron. I said Crispus being weakened was irrelevant to the feat. Because he was not holding back when he accomplished the feat which you tried to portray him being weaker as some sort of thing to mean something. Because if Spectre being weaker means something when he accomplished it, naturally you could no limits that to whatever you want.

But here's from the first page:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
No. I'm just saying you tried to use "weakest" to mean something, when Crispus was only the "weakest" because he restricted himself to one punishment at a time.



Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpg

And farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.html

So, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat. So let's move onto the feat itself.

Which means I shouldn't have to point out so many times what I mean just because you can't understand it. I realize you like twisting everything, but you can't twist my words when I clearly state what I mean so many times. erm

So, Spectre wasn't holding back when he accomplished the feat. Which means him being weaker is a meaningless thing to point out considering he wasn't at the time. Which I've tried to drill into your head many times, and now it seems like you're just mad because you agree with me or something... who the **** knows with your head.


Actually, did YOU read Final Crisis? Spectre didn't even appear in there to expand on the feat, nor was the ALE used in any capacity that you're implying. I'm not even going to get into the black hole because everyone should know by now that that was due to Darkseid falling and had nothing to do with the ALE.

Unless you're implying that the Black Hole "being" Darkseid implies that the ALE was in effect. Which is meaningless for a couple reasons. Number one, there was only a small portion of buildings left when that page happened. Which means it happened after Spectre "remade" creation twice. Number two, it had absolutely nothing to do with Spectre, and had no correlation to what Spectre did, nor was it the ALE. So...
This is just trying to cut you off though, like the Mxy feat earlier. Explode at your own peril.

Now, however, in Final Crisis the ALE was only ever said to effect 3 billions people:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p31.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p32-33.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/fc6-16.jpg

The only thing they planned to use beyond global in that series was to try and spread the ALE through the Central Power Battery, which would have only broadcast it universally. Spectre was only ever shown to be laying on the ground in that series and nothing he did was shown to have any effect in the main series. The only thing we can assume he did was infect those 3 billion people altogether to finish off the New God's plans when they themselves enslaved a lot.

When Darkseid himself says there's only 3 billion people enslaved, then you can be damned sure that's not a good look for Spectre.

Not only that, but your logic works like this:
Spectre remade the multiverse to be bad while it was drifting into the multiversal black hole. Then Spectre completely remade the multiverse again. Then the multiverse sometime later got almost destroyed by the black hole. Then the Miracle Machine came around and remade the multiverse again. Then Spectre got effortlessly beaten by someone weaker than the GL Corps...

How ****ing redundant and not based on anything. You'd think if Spectre had that sort of power in that series, that he wouldn't have kept the immediate danger around. That he might have gotten rid of the giant black hole. And you'd think Spectre remaking the multiverse in a series where that'd kind of be important would have you know... been said? Flatly said?



"Creation" is not a blanket statement for "All creation". The fact that they'd even need to add the "All" in there in the first place shows they are different. Just because you can destroy creation in place of say a hammer, that doesn't mean you're destroying "all" creation. This is grade 1 stuff.

A lot of things were called creation in that series. Cain, Radiant, the Spear iirc. Considering none of them were remade in the process, it kind of throws a wrench in the whole idea that "all creation" was effected.

You're using a passing remark to try and pass it off as applicable to the feat when "all creation" was used in the remark, and they expanded on "creation" as a "world" immediately after. He had to tell Spectre what to effect considering "creation" isn't very telling of what to do. Creation isn't interchangeable with everything, even more so when you don't actually have any evidence of it doing anything at that level.


But THOTU is entirely relevant for a couple of reasons. For one, Thanos was aware of other realms:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-03.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-04.jpg.html

For another he went beyond that realm and absorbed "all"
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/10_Untitled10.jpg.html

Which means THOTU has a hell of a lot more basis for destroying the multiverse than Spectre does. For one Thanos was actually shown to be affecting things beyond a universe, unlike Spectre being shown to only be spreading the ALE. For another he actually has applications of "ALL" to his actual feat unlike a passing remark completely after the feat. We have information of more universes existing in both, yet you flip your shit everytime Mr Master says it, and here you are desperately defending Spectre with less proof... and by less, I mean absolutely nothing.

"But universe!"

Yeah, no shit, I'm not saying it's more. But when "World" is the only scope word used for Spectre, then you have a lot less basis than HOTU. World was repeatedly thrown around for Spectre's feat. Pictures were used to show a world. No statements were applied to Spectre to indicate a multiverse. Nothing.

Your hypocrisy for The End while using so much less for Spectre is something to behold though. Look at you pretending the two aren't similar (although HOTU actually accomplished something impressive).



The rest is just a bunch of handwaving and butthurt. Not to mention I answered everything there.

Though it's funny you mention "Heaven" being part of creation considering it should go without saying that Spectre can't recreate Heaven. It's funny you use this, and then ignore me posting scans where it calls Radiant/Cain "creation" where he blatantly didn't recreate them.

The facts are that creation doesn't mean "all creation". We saw how it was used. We saw Cain expand on what creation meant there when he said Earth. We saw him later say after Spectre supposedly remade creation that it was still a world. We saw other people say world afterwards. We saw no proof that it was a multiverse when the feat happened. We saw no proof that was even solar system. Everything talked about in the feat indicated it was global. From the words, to the pictures, to Final Crisis, to the humans, to everything.

What facts do you have? That "All creation" was said about the multiverse later? What the **** kind of reaching is this shit?

Even Cain was called creation there... does that mean he's all creation going by Abby logic? Because Cain being called creation means about as much as the world being called creation. Creation is many things, and like it or not, but the world is God's creation. But that doesn't mean that calling the world "creation" involves every other aspect. That's the whole reason for the "all" afterall. That's the whole reason for words like multiverse and world existing.

If it was a multiverse, then you'd think somewhere along the lines it would have actually been stated. That's not exactly a small thing to just happen in a series involving the imminent death of the multiverse. laughing out loud

The fact that this is even an issue and all you have is vague remarks later not even applied to anything should tell you this is at the very least questionable. And this is all assuming to your benefit that he even remade the world as opposed to spread it.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
Every scan you add just makes its clear you only read what you want to.

"God created heaven and earth".-Comic

"No, God only created earth".- Bran.

Good job explaining your own buffoonery.

Why don't you write an essay about it too? And post a contradictory scan while you're at it.

No. You can't erase anything anyway. You're just butthurt.

Sure, sure.

Yup. Glad you admit it.

Unless I find the quote laughable. You are teh smart one, figure it out.

Sure, sure.

I do. "Remake creation". Simple as that.

So now he didn't even remade earth IYO? Since Cain was on earth but as you think Cain wasn't remade, so earth wasn't remade too.

You just invalidated the entire comic. Good job bran.


You don't have any logic here. You're just blindly grasping to anything to deny the actual statement.

Its a better logic than your actual arguments though.


But he would. Stomp him more like it.

You may not agree. But comics show that blatantly.

No, actually beating characters who are powerful on their own.

But since a small portion of power from sun outperformed Galactus.................

Specre not just "can" win. He would stomp Galactus.



Nobody gives a shit.

Hyperion didn't separate the universes. IG did. And got destroyed in process. Spectre>>>IG I guess.

I can. But you'll just ignore "high feats".

I wonder how many such high feats Galactus has.

But who is actually mad here? You or I? I used your name once in that thread as a joke almost one year ago and totally forgot about it.

You're the one who brought it out of nowhere.


Good job explaining your buffoonery once again.

Is it? I just challenged every surfer fan in the other thread including you. You're the one who flew out of handle.

Yeah, the joke was funny.

Projektion.


Another prrojektion. Good job.

But I don't give a shit about what you think. Never have, never will. That's not even close to what I said, learn how to read. Everything you said is just a vile manipulation of words even when the person explains themselves in detail enough that there should be no misunderstanding to what was said. Again, this works better on comics than people, even though you're not fooling anyone with either.

I realize God created everything. No where in my post did I deny that. But God simply creating everything doesn't mean "creation" is a blanket statement to mean all creation. Especially when we were given details as to what part of creation Cain had in mind at the time. It's not even funny how sad this is.

Hell, you've been told this before as well by people no doubt better posters than you.

Originally posted by operator616
^ No. We see it affect only the Earth inhabitants:

http://i.imgur.com/NCvjtNb.jpg

And the next issue has it depicted affecting the planet Earth only:

http://i.imgur.com/EAhWiTN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVSMGat.jpg

Then the Spectre reversed the effects (limited to Earth, only) Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it required a wish from the Miracle Machine(and some fixes from Nix Uotan) to repair the multiverse in the wake of FC.


So yes, everyone is wrong but you. Even though you lack severe proof. Even if you were right though (which you aren't), a normal person would realize that they are defending a very very vague showing and wouldn't be such a prick about it. Not you though because you're a special flower. I like to imagine you just squirm around the entire time you lie to yourself and to all the posters on the board everytime you make an argument.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

I don't even know why you try and separate things into quotes...


Uh yeah. He was dealing strictly with the ALE there and the mind effects it had on the people. Cain wanted him to get everyone on the planet believing in Darkseid. Nothing was built or rebuilt from Spectre except the ALE being broadcast and taken away.

If he wasn't solely broadcasting the ALE, then what did he rebuild? The minds of everyone on the planet? Because Spectre changed absolutely nothing physical in anything he did. Even after he "rebuilt the multiverse" he still had to separately deal out punishment to Cain even though that should be unneeded considering Cain was called creation at the time and Spectre showed the power to punish him. It's not just because he failed to rebuild a part of creation in Cain (though with your logic this should be a big deal and utterly defeat your point, but you're a major hypocrite), it's because all he was shown was to spread the ALE out. He changed nothing on Earth beside that. He was even shown to be chanting the ALE. He wasn't remaking the ALE into people, he was shown to spread it to have people fall under Darkseid's thrall.

I'm using my brain instead of my ass like you. However, we were taking baby steps down to this, but you were too stupid to accept that it was only planetary, so I know you would scream and shout over this. It's completely pointless to have a discussion with you on this, but this is obviously what happened in the comic. This followed a major part of the plot of Final Crisis as well instead of just ignoring Final Crisis and having Spectre easily rebuild the multiverse twice which defeats the entire point of Final Crisis... especially when Spectre was just a lackey at that point in time.

Holy **** at the irony of that last part. "I'm rubber you're glue" again. I don't know why you try and project your bullshit onto others when everyone with eyes can see what you're all about. You're living in your own delusional bubble.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Right, Hyperion held off moving universes, and Spectre separated two at a complete stop. Which is why I said Spectre's feat just makes him a little better. smile

And the IG pushed a universe safely back into its position when it was moving in a story where universal positions were a huge deal. Spectre separated two universes at a pretty much complete stop and then they drifted back into their positions.

There's enough of a difference to make them dissimilar.

However, even if they were, all that does is make Spectre more powerful than Starlinless IG. Which isn't the most impressive thing around. Mind you it still killed multiple Celestials at the same time, which Spectre lacks any battle feat of that nature outside COIE. Starlin IG would kick the shit out of Spectre though.

I'm not ignoring high feats though. I've repeatedly said why. I'm just explaining that all feats should factor in... and for a jobber like Spectre, that's even worse for him. At least for Galactus he has a severe lack of low feats when he isn't hungry. You abandoned your excuses for Spectre though.

He stalemated In-Betweener in a weakened state when In-Betweener is a universal creator, and managed to kamikaze split a Cosmic Cube in half and IB almost destroyed all creation.

He fought both Scrier and the Other in fight that was about to destroy the multiverse.

Killing Celestials and was portrayed as equal to Adult Franklin who staved off multiversal collapse for a time.

His tools beat Pre Retcon Beyonder while his power held off against him to some degree. Doom straight up overpowered and absorbed Post Retcon Beyonder's powers when it was capable of recreating all reality.

Pretty easily beat Sphinx (with Worldmind Amp) when the Ka Stone alone was capable of creating a universe. Sphinx also took it a step farther than Spectre and was directly stated to have recreated all reality... something you just handwaved away.

Destroying something capable of containing Infinity, and keeping Eternity catatonic.

Among others, but those seem to be stuff that would greatly impress you considering you're space cheese abby here... because it works only when it suits you. Let's see you whine a couple threads down from "SPACE CHEESE" though.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 8.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
Projektion.

Yes. Different writers have different opinions of power of characters. You actually don't know that.


"I could create universes".

Hal said he wielded power to create universes as Green lantern and Parallax. He compared that power to spectre as of a candle and a sun.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091106232740/marvel_dc/images/thumb/0/02/Spectre_Hal_Jordan_006.jpg/500px-Spectre_Hal_Jordan_006.jpg

So?

Just like Hal said it, right?

Per Degaton has recreated entire universe by meddling in history. Some real power right there.

Yeah, because it was directly stated to be the only one reality by changing time. But I like how Sphinx's feat is directly transferable to Galactus.

Good job again.



But its a high feat. How can we use it?

And he regularly fought a being who destroyed universes and not get his shit pushed in everytime like Galactus.

But like you said everything outside Johns is a high feat for Spectre and not really adds in his average.

So how can we use it?

I've given you plenty of other feats.

Just because you don't like it doesn't means its not given.



So much gheyness.


laughing out loud Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when the Galactus defeat was such an important part of every story that lead into Lady Sphinx.

Here's from the same arc Man Sphinx says lady Sphinx recreated all reality, where he admits Galactus is more powerful than him:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/th_NewWar-48-10.jpg

lol at the different writer excuse meaning Sphinx with a powerup is less powerful though. FF4 Sphinx showed nothing below what he showed in NW at all. What a reach with that one. Hell, one of your biggest points in this new series is connecting Nabu to Kismet to Eternity, and then you try and peddle this shit. laughing out loud


My point with that is that Sphinx was a pretty established universe creator, which flowed into the next part. Just because you think separating points means they are disconnected, that doesn't mean that's the actual case. I was merely adding that she was able to recreate universes, and then added that into the statement of "all reality" to make it carry a little more weight. Unlike what you're doing with Spectre and the Revelations arc.

However lol at Spectre being that far above Parallax. Everytime they've faced off Spectre has come out on the short end of the stick. If you're using that scan to take that absolutely literally, it's a bold faced lie. Though that's not saying he can't warp universes because that's pretty common in comics, but you trying to say he's that above Parallax based on that scan is taking it way too far.

Except Lady Sphinx changed reality. erm
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_NewWar-013-04.jpg

And she forcibly changed every hero there as well. She remade Thor into somehow an Egyptian thunder god for instance.

Just like Spectre was only said to be a planet. smile

But I'm not saying it's transferable to Galactus. I'm saying it's relevant because Lady Sphinx was said to do what you're pretending Spectre did and Galactus still won. IE, your pretend feat wasn't enough in that statement of what Sphinx's feat was:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Like I said, you just make up shit in your mind and start arguing with that. Because I'd have an issue with Spectre actually recreating reality or something? I don't know what your focus was with this but it's entirely pathetic.

And it's not like Galactus hasn't fought beings with the ability to actually re-create "all" reality anyway:

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/NewWar-47-03.jpg.html


I don't much get it tbh.

So think about things probably abby.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

I never said that. Not even close. But this about sums up the conversation. You just continue to twist the shit out of things. I'd imagine you like to twist rabbits' heads off in real like to pass the time when you can't twist words. The amount of quotes I've had to repost are a sad showing.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ignoring Johns, what does he have in way of high feats? Day of Vengeance, the Michael fights, a lot of lip service, being fed a ton of power to defeat Anti Monitor, beating Azmodus a couple times, fighting Shathan a couple times, and what, Zero Hour?

Then he has a lot of just average feats, and even a lot of low feats... ignoring Johns.

It's not like I'm just using Johns to bring down his average, it's just that Johns is the one who seeks to do that. It factors in.
I realize he has high feats. But with the amount of low feats Johns has wrote, it's hard to ignore. Ergo, you have to wade through a lot of shit.


But the issue is Spectre's average wasn't that great before hand. Once Johns came in it just plummeted. So yes, and considering Johns almost primarily wrote anything involving Spectre since Rebirth to the end of DC... except for that Eclipso "killing" Spectre series... Johns has wrote a lot of Spectre. Which is what I said.

IE, even ignoring Johns Spectre's average isn't that great. But with Johns it becomes really bad.

While this may be true or not (it is), it's you twisting my actual words again that makes this important. Because that's all you can do besides learning how to read.

The rest is random shit.

But anyway, that will be all from me. All this was was a lot of handwaving and twisting from you. I don't even think you made one mildly decent point this whole time, which is disheartening to say the least. Just all around terrible arguments, and the color is the only reason I continued this because of how boring your shit is. I forgot how big of a brick wall you could be though. It's pretty sad when the only thing I can do to entertain myself enough to comment is to go through all the colors on KMC.

I'm most curious about a little down the line when you slowly start sifting everything you claimed out of your opinion. Like you did when you claimed Superman can supply 1/4 of the Big Bang.

Have fun with the last word though, which shouldn't be too hard with all the single sentences handwaving things away. smile

In any case, I predict your response won't even be worth reading... especially considering everything prior. laughing out loud
Which is probably for the best considering your post wasn't worth reading either, but I only responded because I read it. Curse my ego and such and such.


Spectre loses at the Celestials.
Enjoy the rest of the thread everyone. thumb up

Juntai
The problem with using Day of Vengeance as the benchmark is that it was written that it didn't matter to Spectre how long he took , or what anyone tried to do, that he couldn't be stopped. And he accomplished what he set out to do, until he was eventually imprisoned in Crispus.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

Magus disintegrates Galactus with a solar system level blast.

Galactus needed help from Strange and Vishanti to reconstitute himself.

Galactus was able to reform himself, his ship and the heroes, under his own power.

Death was trying to trick Strange, supposedly going to interfere with big G's reconstruction.
The Vishanti never showed up btw, and the Ancient One only advised Strange.

Galactus didn't get help from anyone.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus was able to reform himself, his ship and the heroes, under his own power.

Death was trying to trick Strange, supposedly going to interfere with big G's reconstruction.
The Vishanti never showed up btw, and the Ancient One only advised Strange.

Galactus didn't get help from anyone. thumb up

BeyonderGod
Wow this gauntlet got big with just information alone.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Flew off the handle? The amount of made up fantasy in your posts are pretty high.

Nah, its the reality.

Just because you are "Uh-huh, I don't care" doesn't mean anything.



No, I just want to laugh at you.

Gotcha?

Who cares? I'm not posting essays here. Great analysis Dr. Phil.

laughing out loud



Hahaha, is this supposed to be an insult? I'm simply mocking you, you buffoon.

Yeah, right. I'll take your concession over it. So another buffoonery? Hah, we'll see how much you can whine.

Your "nuh-uh" is just a "Nuh-uh with an essay." Its no explanation, just you whining why something does not matter while it actually does. The real tragedy is, you actually believe that. Your logic is not worth a child's time though. Its just terrible. laughing out loud

Yeah, just using handwaving for several paragraphs is going in depth. You're fooling nobody.

I did? Where? Already whining? Good.

And you whined about why I am even using Bendis. I could just edit your post as "Whine, whine, whine" and nothing would change.



Nothing changed.

How curious.

Who the **** cares? Was it somehow not carried over in Hunger because of that? Amped Galactus. He still had Gah Lak Tus power after that. Where he was still merged with Gah Lak Tus.

Ahahaaha, now he just underwrote characters who got beaten by Spectre.


crylaugh

You're just so predictable at this point.

No, it is not. Its that one writer does not make or break a character's average. He was getting beaten up by Kitty Pryde and Thor. And got beaten by a simple BFR which made him comatose.

That's just shitty in every retrospect. Spectre raapages, and only gets stopped by Presence.

Galactus rampages and gets beaten by a simple BFR.

Apparently that's not enough humiliation.

abhilegend
Does getting hungry means he can't even teleport? Like getting beaten by Parallax is a bad showing compared to getting your shit pushed in by Kitty Pryde. Because its the same as you're doing it against Spectre.

How about Starlin's Galactus then? He wrote him in literally dozens of issues and he gets shit upon nearly all of them.

So, why isn't it a low showing again? Why are you getting chafed about it if its not a defeat for him?



No, it means Galactus can be beaten by just a dimensional BFR.

Suck on it bran.

And why not? Johns' spectre has actual high feats. What about Bendis' galactus?

Yeah, Johns made him job. He still gets high feats from him. What about Bendis or Starlin? Or Pak? Or Stan Lee, the creator of the Galactus?

Its like you're just fixated on one writer and no other writer exist for you where Spectre is concerened.

You're essentially carver at this point.


You're talking like Johns' Spectre is a separate character.

I'm talking about Spectre as a whole.



Sure, sure.

Its canon. Just not being usable here doesn't means its not canon.

But I like how you just try to handwave it away.

Spectre overpowered Krona's control over realities and sepaarted them. Could Galactus do that?

Oh right, he was busy being dead.

Hahaahahaha, every feat for Spectre is high feat.

You're essentially just using low feats for Spectre at this point.

Good job carver jr.

Those are his average feats. What you are using is low feats. We'll see upon that, wouldn't we? But I like how you try to raise Spectre as some kind of badass when it comes to characters you like like Captain Marvel or Black Adam.

Good job Carver Jr.

Sure, sure.

Yeah, he does not has a lower average than ****ing galactus. Cry more about it. Now you're just being an idiot.

But again that's your forte from start. If Johns only wrote low feats for Spectre, how come he can beat characters who can change entire reality?

If those are low feats, Spectre has a damn great average.



Amped Galactus, high end feat. Does not counts.

Sure, sure.

How stupid are you? Does that makes any kind of sense? I didn't even try to bring it up.

laughing

Now that your bait is not taken, you're just being butthurt about it? Good god, what are you? 5 years old?



Sure, sure.

dynamix
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Wow this gauntlet got big with just information alone.

truth, lol. fun to read though lol! Salute to the comic section. Aside from the personal jabs, there's some serious debating skills here.

i suppose based on implied power (with amp and all) he should be able to clear this. Based on feat...well that may be another matter lol. The best thing i can remember from Spectre was the Anti-monitor battle which he was in comatose after. But i don't think he was fully backed by Presence. I think his amp came from the magic users, iirc. i'm gonna go review his respect thread now haha.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I didn't write off any feats Spectre has done.

laughing out loud

Great joke branver.

No only your version of Spectre has "some decent highs".

In reality, he has far more high end feats than Galactus does. And far less embarrassing lows than him too.




The hell? When did I say he has no low showings?

No, I just asked you to prove your stance.

So, I can laugh at your stance first.

Yup, only people like you think killing universal level beings like Nabu and Lords of Order are skyfather level feats.

Galactus doesn't even do that. He has lows, some more lows, instances where he gets fist****ed by some random villain of the week and some space cheese is thrown his way to appease his fans. The same Celestial race which got assraped by Godkiller armor? Sure, why wouldn't I? No, it is not. To a fanboy like you, sure. In the comics? Not so much. I'm just seeing how far you can take "shitty average" logic.



Retconned away. But I like how you consider that retcon, not a retcon.

http://i.imgur.com/gxcHJgd.jpg

I will get at that little point of hypocrisy from you. Just wait for it bran.

Or as long as you like the character.


The only low feat among that list is against Parallax. Kulak and Neron fought half powered Spectre. Half powered Spectre ate King of Tears under Johns.

http://i.imgur.com/ztzqol1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4vVJVni.jpg

Considering what it was? Its a huge showing.

http://i.imgur.com/ZRXsIsn.jpg

Shitty average. Hey, it had no soul either.

But I know what you're going to post now, Hal getting his ass handed to him. Go ahead, I want a good laugh.

They don't. Just like hungry Galactus does not matters in his average. There is a plot device explaining why Spectre has low showings and its called Logoz. Read about it. No, we don't. I will get to that "multiversal fight". Its going to be hilarious. Oh, I've admitted i'm wrong several times.

Have you?

"Spectre only has low feats which counts in his average, his high feats don't count".

That's your whole point here.

Like BRB seeing Galactus as his fallen god under a different writer? You know how to defeat your own point. Yes, that just retcons away all his low showings before Spectre v4. Do you know how it raises his high feats like fighting Parallax at half power? I'm sure you don't. Stop whining that Ostrander retconned his low showings away. You're the one who is claiming only Johns matters in determining Spectre's average.

abhilegend
Haha, what? Now you're saying Stranger lied and Corrigan transforming into other half of Spectre is not proof of him having half the power of Spectre?

hysterical

This is like the most pathetic argument I've ever seen. Bwahahahahaha.

No, no, let me do that again.

Bwahahahahaha.

No, it means whenever Spectre appeared before the death of Jim Corrigan in Spectre v3 62, he was always half powered. Hahaha.
It was always correct since Corrigan was unaware that he had half of Spectre's power. Stranger flat out says that Spectre came back regularly to recharge Corrigan.

You're just pathetic at this point.

For the time. Untill Corrigan appeared again which was all the time untill Spectre v3 ended. Hahaha. This coming from the guy who thinks this wasn't a retcon of Spectre's low showings?

But I like how you pretend that Corrigan never appeared again in flesh after that scene and Spectre v3 never happened. It was ten years ago in the continuity.

http://i.imgur.com/X70Qzxe.jpg

And Corrigan inform us that he will not let Spectre come to his body and he will die because of it.

http://i.imgur.com/Apx2NtX.jpg

laughing out loud

So much for your interpretations.

Considering Corrigan appeared after that in his human guise after that time, Spectre was always at half power. Shut the **** up. If you can't read comics, don't try to blame it on others.

Because they were not most of the time since Corrigan was still appearing in his human guise.



How about you shut your mouth and actually read the comic?

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Galactus isn't even connected to God. The fact that Spectre has any connection at all to God voids any comparisons. No, it does not. Spectre has rampaged before. God never took notice. It was basically abandoned. Heck, celestial order found it lying somewhere.

RED HERRINGS

And that's not noteworthy. Riiiiight. Yeah, him ending an age of magic is not a show of power.

laughing out loud

In DOJ he froze hell and was about to destroy creation to the point Presence took notice.

http://i.imgur.com/iaYVQ1K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/z565ipi.jpg

He just didn't care.

That's not noteworthy, is it? Because it shows the power he used there.

Sure, but Spectre doing something so powerful that it forced Presence himself to interfere is always a big deal.

Don't give a shit about what you think it means.

Yes, it does. What are you talking about now?
Sure, there is. But you're acting like Nabu is simply some random skyfather level being. Ninth age of Magic was disintegrating even before Nabu's death. He was the one who was holding it all together. Nabu's death was what triggered its collapse and his death is what took Presence's notice.

His death, not the end of ninth age of magic. Its explicitly said in the comic.

http://i.imgur.com/SzBsYBQ.jpg

Which is flat out wrong. It was death of Nabu. They are all wrong nonetheless. Congrats branver.

So you don't have any answers. Concession accepted.

Riiiiiiiiight. Here I thought Spectre gets beaten easily by your "shitty average" logic. So he killed every last sorcerer he could find but nobody could stop him? That doesn't sounds like how you describe Spectre where anybody can beat him. Did they go around killing in entire creation and nobody could stop him? Questions like this must be answered.

mmm

I like how you try to hide the fact that he went around universe killing skyfathers and abstracts but somehow it ties to Sphinx who fought Fantastic Four..................and didn't do anything else.

And what about that scan says that any other being could have stopped him?

Because he went too far and it took God's notice. When was the time God put Spectre in a human host? Last time it was Michael.

You're not even trying anymore.

abhilegend
Sure, sure.

Like tanking a full blast from Thanos like nothing where Galactus was blasted away? Who cares? The writer specified he was twice as powerful as Galactus and Genis confirmed it.

But I like how you glossed over the fact that you lied about Omega not able to feed on planets.


It isn't. Of course he has. Under the same writer, he did far better against Thanos. Well, there are a lot of statements about Superman being stronger than J'onn.

Where are the statement about Galactus being above Omega?

You are lying you idiot. But you'll never admit it of course. Galactus almost died by two planets smashing together. Galactus didn't tank a nova. He was still in his ship while his energy form retrieved the gems from the sun.

http://i.imgur.com/KTEwqWl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jVRhQ0g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qWYF5ri.jpg

On the very next page he was shown in his ship.

Under starlin he died from a solar system level blast in Infinity War.

In combat showings he was above Galactus. And unless you think Thanos under Jim Starlin was wrong about his own creation and GENIS WAS WRONG TOO? Like?



Yeah, just someone twice as powerful as him died from getting a planet blown up.

Perfectly canon. Suck on it bran.

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abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
So you'd be alright with Mxy theoretically killing Spectre with a pillow then?

I'm alright with Omega dying with a planet blowing up.

But the blast had no collateral damage at all. The force of it didn't even made that huge a crater.

He still died.

Galactus died and the force of it didn't even made a huge crater on the planet below. Mxy is several tiers above celestials too. Comics don't take such things in consideration. By all logic Superman hitting captain marvel with a tree shouldn't do anything to him.

Yet, it does.
The idea is who is using it.

And half powered Spectre.

And the fact that one has Mxy using a planet and one has a simple planet blowing up.

But continue to whine.

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