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who wins?

Well.

Do you think Namor could beat Superman?

Not a good match for Namor. He does well but he loses this every single time.

spite thread?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well.

Do you think Namor could beat Superman?

Bizzaro isn't Superman. Not even close.

Originally posted by carver9
Not a good match for Namor. He does well but he loses this every single time.

Why does he lose every time?

Originally posted by Magog
spite thread?

No

Originally posted by Stoic
Why does he lose every time?



No

Because Bizarro holds every single advantage.

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Yeah, Namor's done.

not a chance namor is winning any of these fights....

Manor would beat him in the water. Probably would need the Trident.

Bizarro 10/10.

Hasn't a hydrated Namor been one shorted by Thor? And Bizzarro is just a bad Supes right? I'm with Carver, Namor puts up a good bout, but he just cant hang with these guys.

As much as I dispute Trinity's canonicity, Bizarro, preboot at least, was basically Superman's body with the mind of a child. Namor is smarter, but Bizarro is stronger, faster, and a good deal more durable. I don't think Namor can really avoid the beating that would eventually come his way.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Hasn't a hydrated Namor been one shorted by Thor? And Bizzarro is just a bad Supes right? I'm with Carver, Namor puts up a good bout, but he just cant hang with these guys.

What about Bizzaros utter stupidity?

How is Namor beating Bizarro?

Namor is good, but Bizzaro is better.

Love the beating he gave WW

Namor would do well enough, but I dont see him ever beating Bizarro.

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot to add this part.

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Be careful, Carver. You might get accused of "lowballing". LOL.

Are there any other showings of him doing anything remotely the same to another character? Namor went toe to toe with Sentry. Even though he was being pushed back he was still holding his own. He also fought Blue Marvel, and was doing well.

Someone had to pick apart that scan, because Diana wasn't ready for the fight. It began in Bizzaro's favor (sneak attack anyone?). Bizarro has been defeated by less than Diana before. We can go by full capacity in terms of abilities, but combat averages have to be taken into consideration as well. Namor's superior fighting skill, and power to deliver crippling strikes to weak spots is something else that shouldn't be overlooked, That scan is misleading.

Diana was overwhelmed and beaten pretty bad, though that was just a high-end interpretation of Bizarro.

Some writers are under the impression that being retarded means you hit harder or react faster, etc, I don't think that's the case. I couldn't imagine any scenario where Bizarro beats Superman.

Bizarro is still a ****ton stronger, faster and more durable than Namor though. Whether Bizarro is as strong as Superman or whether or not he would beat WW that bad on KMC is a pointless debate, since Namor's not even clooooose to any of those.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Diana was overwhelmed and beaten pretty bad, though that was just a high-end interpretation of Bizarro.

Some writers are under the impression that being retarded means you hit harder or react faster, etc, I don't think that's the case. I couldn't imagine any scenario where Bizarro beats Superman.

Bizarro is still a ****ton stronger, faster and more durable than Namor though. Whether Bizarro is as strong as Superman or whether or not he would beat WW that bad on KMC is a pointless debate, since Namor's not even clooooose to any of those.



namor would get in some shots, but in the end this^

Originally posted by Stoic
Are there any other showings of him doing anything remotely the same to another character? Namor went toe to toe with Sentry. Even though he was being pushed back he was still holding his own. He also fought Blue Marvel, and was doing well.

Someone had to pick apart that scan, because Diana wasn't ready for the fight. It began in Bizzaro's favor (sneak attack anyone?). Bizarro has been defeated by less than Diana before. We can go by full capacity in terms of abilities, but combat averages have to be taken into consideration as well. Namor's superior fighting skill, and power to deliver crippling strikes to weak spots is something else that shouldn't be overlooked, That scan is misleading.
Bizarro has fought Superman for days non stop, no sold a punch to the face from Martian manhunter, threw together some asteroids big enough to create another planet as large as earth etc.

Namor isn't on that level simply put.

Yeah, I can see Namor putting up a fight at first, but Bizzaro will crush him like a sea slug in short order.

Originally posted by Star428
Be careful, Carver. You might get accused of "lowballing". LOL.

You can't be that stupid. Seriously.

Correct me if im wrong but that bizarro wasn't canon right?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Correct me if im wrong but that bizarro wasn't canon right?

Some will argue it is. I don't agree.

Originally posted by carver9
How is Namor beating Bizarro?

By getting his portion of Pheonix force back.

Short of that, I have no idea.

@Stoic...

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ABHI is going to hate this but Superman even tells us Buzzard could be stronger than him (while punching himself from one end of the planet to the other).

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Not done.

Beats Black Lantern Grundy.

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Let me know if I need to post more.

Carver has shown all he needs to

Bizarro, whilst stupid, was still smart enough to push Grundy into the Sun. Namor will get the same treatment.

Not being sarcastic, Carv. I agree with you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Some will argue it is. I don't agree.

Yea i dont by it. And the lasso snapping is more an attribution of his non acceptance of the truth than a strength feat

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

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ABHI is going to hate this but Superman even tells us Buzzard could be stronger than him (while punching himself from one end of the planet to the other).

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Not done.
You're serious with this shit?

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can't be that stupid. Seriously.

oh, as he's demonstrated multiple times, he certainly can be..... lol just wish you wouldn't quote him since he's on ignore. anyway, piece said, and....done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not being sarcastic, Carv. I agree with you.

Most surprising thing in the thread.



Also lol at Carver's vendetta towards Namor, that came "out of nowhere". How surprising.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Most surprising thing in the thread.



Also lol at Carver's vendetta towards Namor, that came "out of nowhere". How surprising.

I give wins where wins is due. You know this. At least I said he will do well.

Originally posted by carver9
I give wins where wins is due. You know this. At least I said he will do well. You're defending Superman centric characters against a Marvel character with scans.

Two birds one stone though in this case. Namor has to pay and so does Superman.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're defending Superman centric characters against a Marvel character with scans.

Two birds one stone though in this case. Namor has to pay and so does Superman.

Lol...I knew this was where you were going but I have never given Namor the win over anyone on Bizarro level. I've said he could give them a fight but never gave him the nod and never will.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I knew this was where you were going but I have never given Namor the win over anyone on Bizarro level. I've said he could give them a fight but never gave him the nod and never will.
10 seconds in google

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t591176.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t545936.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t451952.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t576137.html

Originally posted by carver9
That still doesn't mean he is taking out this squad. Namor has had the advantage over the fantastic four, stalemate Black Bolt (was winning), stalemate Thor, defeated Hulk, stalemate Void Sentry, Hercules, etc, etc...Namor has the tools.at his disposal proving.he could give Lobo a run for his money on his own. Even while weakened, he gained an advantage over Blaastar.

Wonderland is.currently operating at Herald levels. Unknown Herald levels but he is operating pretty high. He should be able to.give him a fight on his lonesome as well. Putting them together is overkill. Also, I don't like how Lobo showings are against true players.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
10 seconds in google

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t591176.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t545936.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t451952.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t576137.html

I wouldn't give him the majority over top tiers. Not now. His showings are all over the place.

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't give him the majority over top tiers. Not now. His showings are all over the place. What diminishing showings has he gotten in the two years since you said he could beat Wonder Woman?
Or the one year you implied he could beat Lobo?
Or the 4 years since you said he was stronger than Supergirl?
Or the year since you said he could beat Etrigan?

I can think of one.

hey, he's a later bloomer--least he got there.

more than i can say for...a lot of others round here. sneer

Originally posted by leonidas
hey, he's a later bloomer--least he got there.

more than i can say for...a lot of others round here. sneer My point is he only got there because Thanos beat up Namor but Namor damaged him in the process.

So by "lowballing" Namor now it opens up the door for him to shit on Thanos in the future. Bizarro is a great jumping on point because it allows him to shit on Superman in the process.

Which you can see in contrast to what happened to Blastaar. Losing pathetically to Hulk actually raised his stock.

It's all about motives not the characters. This is Carver9.

shock

where did the namor/thanos scene happen btw....? can't remember seeing it, but so damn many tie-ins with these events i may have simply missed it.

Originally posted by leonidas
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where did the namor/thanos scene happen btw....? can't remember seeing it, but so damn many tie-ins with these events i may have simply missed it.

The latest Avengers World (#21 to be exact).

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
My point is he only got there because Thanos beat up Namor but Namor damaged him in the process.

So by "lowballing" Namor now it opens up the door for him to shit on Thanos in the future. Bizarro is a great jumping on point because it allows him to shit on Superman in the process.

Which you can see in contrast to what happened to Blastaar. Losing pathetically to Hulk actually raised his stock.

It's all about motives not the characters. This is Carver9.

Lol...all of this is wrong. I have not brought up the Thanos showing since it happened. If anything, I gave him props for it. I think you're a Lil paranoid here.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...all of this is wrong. I have not brought up the Thanos showing since it happened. If anything, I gave him props for it. I think you're a Lil paranoid here. You gave him props for it and then said he loses to Blastaar.

Normally what I said would be paranoid, but it only pertains to you so I'm good. You're the textbook definition of ulterior motive afterall and easier to read than Judy Blume.

Gee I wonder why Carver is suddenly saying Namor loses in every Namor thread, and defending a DC character from a Marvel one with scans of Superman losing.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You gave him props for it and then said he loses to Blastaar.

Normally what I said would be paranoid, but it only pertains to you so I'm good. You're the textbook definition of ulterior motive afterall and easier to read than Judy Blume.

Gee I wonder why Carver is suddenly saying Namor loses in every Namor thread, and defending a DC character from a Marvel one with scans of Superman losing.

Besides Blaastar and Bizarro who did I give him the loss too?

Originally posted by carver9
Besides Blaastar and Bizarro who did I give him the loss too? What other threads were there? You're 2 for 2

But prior to the Thanos fight, Namor could beat Etrigan, Lobo, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman

After, powering through Cyclops' blasted is a wanked high end extreme feat, and he can't beat any top tiers
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Namor already kicked the shit out of Blastaar while dehydrated. Originally posted by carver9
One of Namor best showings. Don't think that would happen under normal conditions. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What, under the condition that Namor is at full power? Originally posted by carver9
Namor was doing stuff that was highly questionable during that comic like powering through Cyclops all out optic blast like nothing. I'm not saying the ft doesn't belong to Namor but I am saying the writer was wanking him, to high extremes. We seen how a fight between the two would go under normal conditions and Namor loss.



At least not make it so obvious carter.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What other threads were there? You're 2 for 2

But prior to the Thanos fight, Namor could beat Etrigan, Lobo, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman

After, powering through Cyclops' blasted is a wanked high end extreme feat, and he can't beat any top tiers




At least not make it so obvious carter.

Never brought up the Thanos and Namor fight and didn't plan on doing it since I saw the pages. Oh well. You should've at least seen where this was all going. If I was going to bring it up. Oh well. Just know, I have no motives.

Come on, you know I have no ulterior motives. This is Carver9 baby.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Come on, you know I have no ulterior motives. This is Carver9 baby.

Lol...really? Just be a Lil more patient to see if what you think of my motives are true.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can't be that stupid. Seriously.


Nope. But, you might be if you think WW or Namor has any chance at all against Bizarro... Seriously.

Originally posted by Star428
Nope. But, you might be if you think WW or Namor has any chance at all against Bizarro... Seriously. http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-bored-Brad-Pitt-meh-Seven-skeptical-Unimpressed-unsure-whatever-GIF.gif

reigning gif king of kmc....? on point though.

Originally posted by Star428
Nope. But, you might be if you think WW or Namor has any chance at all against Bizarro... Seriously.

...pr1983

bizzaro flicks namor in the head sending him to the after life

When Superman and Bizarro switched bodies they were hitting each other with enough force that one got hit so hard he went flying down towards the earth..went through the earth and popped out the other side. During the fight Superman even makes a comment that Bizarro seems to be a tad bit stronger then he is.

This person also has high end super speed. That is all that needs to be said. He can also shoot beams of ice out of his eyeballs and breath fire.

Maybe around water Namor can take some, but not for a majority. Retardo wins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maybe around water Namor can take some, but not for a majority. Retardo wins. I disagree. There is a huge gap here. Speed, durability, and strength, and ranged powers. This fight is spite really, even with namor in water.

Damn Bran ghosted carver . Namor gets his face crushed

Originally posted by -Pr-
...pr1983

Star, just put Pr on ignore.

How are people saying Namor wins? He doesn't take a single fight.

Stat wise Bizzaro has everything over Namor. I will offer this though, Bizzaro's child like mind perhaps... and I feel like that is a stretch may give Namor a small window of hope. How would Namor fair underwater with the Trident against Bizzaro?

No one answered this yet. How is Namor taking out Bizzaro?

Who actually thinks Namor wins here??

Bizzaro: Fish man am no joke to Bizzaro. Me am lose.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who actually thinks Namor wins here??

I think he wins




























































A swimming contest

I was all set to bust all over you.

Originally posted by carver9
No one answered this yet. How is Namor taking out Bizzaro?

What did I write earlier?

Originally posted by -Pr-
As much as I dispute Trinity's canonicity, Bizarro, preboot at least, was basically Superman's body with the mind of a child. Namor is smarter, but Bizarro is stronger, faster, and a good deal more durable. I don't think Namor can really avoid the beating that would eventually come his way.

And possibly stronger then Supes, if you go by him matching Non physically, who in turn usually overpowered Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...pr1983

The Best of Starsie, volume 2.

Originally posted by cdtm
And possibly stronger then Supes, if you go by him matching Non physically, who in turn usually overpowered Superman.
Superman basically caught Non's punch and beat him down in a few punches in New Krypton.

Yeah we are all in agreement that bizarro is superior to superman by a fair margin
Good thread

Originally posted by Raisen
Yeah we are all in agreement that bizarro is superior to superman by a fair margin
Good thread typical Superman maybe, but mental blocks-unleashed Superman no.

Originally posted by h1a8
typical Superman maybe, but mental blocks-unleashed Superman no.

What's your intake on Superman saying Bizarro is stronger than him?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think he wins


A swimming contest


I don't think he wins this either......

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who actually thinks Namor wins here?? Me.

Originally posted by Eternalfury
Stat wise Bizzaro has everything over Namor. I will offer this though, Bizzaro's child like mind perhaps... and I feel like that is a stretch may give Namor a small window of hope. How would Namor fair underwater with the Trident against Bizzaro?

He is child like, and it is true there is a chance he might not decide to attack right away. However, this would only be beneficial to Namor if he could take Bizarro out in one shot, which he can't. Once he attacks Bizarro it will cause him to fight back.

As to your question about an underwater fight with the trident, what powers does the trident give him? Also,how fast is Namor underwater? Given the strength and speed Bizarro has I don't think the water would really lessen his speed by much. So he might not even have time to use the trident, but then again Bizarro might not do that right away due to his nature.

Originally posted by carver9
What's your intake on Superman saying Bizarro is stronger than him? My take is that Superman's mental blocks prevent him from using all of his true might. At times he believes he is using all of his power, but in reality he isn't. OWAW explained this well. That's why he needed training and meditation to release these blocks. So bizarro is stronger when Superman has mental blocks on but OWAW Superman is significantly stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
My take is that Superman's mental blocks prevent him from using all of his true might. At times he believes he is using all of his power, but in reality he isn't. OWAW explained this well. That's why he needed training and meditation to release these blocks. So bizarro is stronger when Superman has mental blocks on but OWAW Superman is significantly stronger.



So are you saying Superman doesn't know his own strength?

Originally posted by carver9


So are you saying Superman doesn't know his own strength?

Originally posted by carver9


So are you saying Superman doesn't know his own strength? And Bizarro is supposed to be the retard?!

HAHAHA HIGH FIVE CARVER!

Originally posted by carver9


So are you saying Superman doesn't know his own strength?

Actually he doesn't know his exact strength or limits. But that's semantics. He just knows when someone is able to overpower him (under mental blocks). For example, I can believe Hulk Hogan is stronger than me but that doesn't mean I know what my actual strength is.

Originally posted by Mindset
And Bizarro is supposed to be the retard?!

HAHAHA HIGH FIVE CARVER! logic is king. You failed logically by merely believing carver asked a valid question that made me look bad.