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Can 7 Spider-men take out say, Professor Hulk at baseline strength, no madder/stronger allowed?
Do they have enough webbing to pin him, can they beat him in any other way, no prep, no BFR, midtown Manhattan with a 1 block start distance?

http://mlpforums.com/uploads/post_images/img-2444648-2-svsh.jpg

I'd imagine he shouldn't be able to. But this is the same person who beats up Firelord and trips Silver Surfer with his webbing. He has a jobber aura that makes Deathstroke envious.

Ha, thats a bold statement!

But thanks for responding. I figured 7 Spideys to be pretty formidable.

I guess it depends on how strong Prof Hulk is. I thought his baseline was class 80ish. If he is a good deal below that then yeah the spideys could probably gang up on him and keep him down.

Spiderman already beat Hulk IIRC.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Spiderman already beat Hulk IIRC.

This depresses me. He truly does have a jobber aura that Deathstroke would have a stroke over.

A...death stroke?

Professor Hulk baseline was High class 100. High Herald and they already fought and Spiderman hurt his hand punching Professor Hulk. They fought again and Hulk took him out with a thunderclap.

I was thinking 7 Spideys would do okay against a thunderclap this morning...

Originally posted by riv6672
I was thinking 7 Spideys would do okay against a thunderclap this morning...

Naah. Imagine if the Doc wasn't there.

http://rs30.pbsrc.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/shockwavethunderclap125sj.jpg~320x480

Let's add this Professor Hulk and Spiderman moment to the mix.

http://rs283.pbsrc.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/20ccf1ee_ga.jpg~320x480

Spidey's all heart, man!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125203/3196018-6629562883-spide.jpg

I could see this stalemating. The Spidey's not really being able to hurt the Hulk and the Hulk not being able to hit the Spidey's if they play it smart.

Thats pretty feasible.

Originally posted by Surtur
This depresses me. He truly does have a jobber aura that Deathstroke would have a stroke over.

Yeah, he can be a bit of a Mary Sue in that regard. Spiderman we slings into your favorite comic and beats up your favorite superhero.

Hulks chances of hitting Spidey with a Thunderclap (which would get several Spideys at once) are much higher than SpiderMans chances to actually hurt the Hulk.

Well, i was thinking they might get a TKO. Some sort of sneaky win...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Spiderman already beat Hulk IIRC.

Yeah, with a truck.

And with webbing on another occasion.

Plus when he had CU powers.


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In a forum match though, Spidey team ain't taking down the Hulk. Full capacity means he'll use t-claps and ground-pounding attacks.

Hulk eats them all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk eats them all.



The most popular answer to all Hulk's threads, btw.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk eats them all.
Given your posting history....
...i have to believe it!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111148699/3954247-9105789185-SFNF1.jpg

Q: What if this was followed up by 6 more Spidies? And they all had trucks to drop?

A: At best, Spider-Man wins a brief, temporary victory.

Thanks, 'Ship.

Professor Hulk was far more durable than Savage or Gravage Hulk.

Also, almost knocking Hulk down is not much really, especially if your hand ends up almost broken... Cage's punch was more effective.

I wasnt aware of the durability factor. Thought all the greens were even across the board not counting a spike for WWH. Learned something new, thanks.

Wwh was bleeding all over the place. I hated his durability

7 Spidermen webbing Hulk up >>>> the weight of a star.

What's with the seven? I never understood where u guys get these random ass numbers

Mr Fixit/Grey Hulk has tagged Spider Man before, other versions have as well, Prof Hulk wins this for the majority.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's with the seven? I never understood where u guys get these random ass numbers
There were 7 speed images of Spidey in the pic i ran across/posted, and i thought, what if each were actually a different Spider-man.

Originally posted by riv6672
I wasnt aware of the durability factor. Thought all the greens were even across the board not counting a spike for WWH. Learned something new, thanks.

Prof was described as "meaner, greener and stronger than ever". His best durability feat was probably against Maestro's dogs of war that were stated to be able to bite through adamantium. Granted, we could treat it as an empty boast and adamantium's durability could be lower in Future Imperfect (since it's an alternate reality, future or not), but it was still one of Hulk's most memorable feats.

Mindless Hulk, Bannerless Hulk, Indestructible Hulk... they all had their slight differences here and there.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's with the seven? I never understood where u guys get these random ass numbers

7 is a lucky number, not really random.

Oh u must have a low opinion of hulk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Prof was described as "meaner, greener and stronger than ever". His best durability feat was probably against Maestro's dogs of war that were stated to be able to bite through adamantium. Granted, we could treat it as an empty boast and adamantium's durability could be lower in Future Imperfect (since it's an alternate reality, future or not), but it was still one of Hulk's most memorable feats.

Mindless Hulk, Bannerless Hulk, Indestructible Hulk... they all had their slight differences here and there.



7 is a lucky number, not really random.

Okay, thanks, Stilt, you're (not random) number one in my book.

There's 42 after images and 7 Spider-Men fighting Hulk if that helps sin.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's 42 after images and 7 Spider-Men fighting Hulk if that helps sin.

Thx bran, sometimes i look at thread titles and immediately go wtf. Thanks for putting it in perspective

After re-reading OP I came to the conclusion it'd take 294 spidermen to took down this Hulk, imo.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
After re-reading OP I came to the conclusion it'd take 294 spidermen to took down this Hulk, imo. Are you talking about a combination of after images and real SM? Or is that just real Spider Mens? That's a heck of a lot of after images!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are you talking about a combination of after images and real SM? Or is that just real Spider Mens? That's a heck of a lot of after images!

He is s light-speedster after all

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Granted, we could treat it as an empty boast and adamantium's durability could be lower in Future Imperfect (since it's an alternate reality, future or not), but it was still one of Hulk's most memorable feats.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/Mobile%20Uploads/Jack-Nicholson_zpswuhtnfxg.gif


****ing Marvel copout plot devices. They have so many reset/it never happened buttons!

Doombots I could take, cause it's Doom. Thanos clones I could laugh at because it's just stupid., But turning ANY time travel into an "alternate reality" is just a license for lazy writing.

Spidey could hurt some low-end Hulks, but not this current one.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are you talking about a combination of after images and real SM? Or is that just real Spider Mens? That's a heck of a lot of after images! Both.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Spidey could hurt some low-end Hulks, but not this current one.
What about 294?

Originally posted by Reflassshh



What about 294?


294 Hulks would loose to 1 Spider-Man.

Originally posted by The Nuul



294 Hulks would lose to 1 Spider-Man.


Especially if they were really little Hulks.

Well, Hulk has spent time in the Microverse...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Especially if they were really little Hulks.

Thanks spellchecker/grammar Nazi. It was a typo, lazy typing though.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Thanks, spellchecker/grammar Nazi. It was a typo, lazy typing though.

Fixed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fixed.

Again, lazy typing.

Thanks though.

Professor Hulk would be so proud.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Professor Hulk was far more durable than Savage or Gravage Hulk.


In terms of hard durability, he absolutely was not. Look at how they fared vs common attacks (the most obvious example being vs Vector of the U-Foes). Hard durability was never the merged Hulk's thing; he was very much a healing factor-oriented incarnation (as they all were under PAD). I'd rank him substantially below the savage/childlike Hulk (not overall, I should stress, just in terms of hard durability).

There's really nothing to distinguish the merged Hulk and gravage Hulk in terms of hard durability either. Indeed, my reading is that the modern era gravage Hulk when he originally reappeared quite literally *was* the merged Hulk; the only difference was that Banner's influence had been removed from the merger via Onslaught.



Cheers.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's add this Professor Hulk and Spiderman moment to the mix.

http://rs283.pbsrc.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/20ccf1ee_ga.jpg~320x480

That's the savage/childlike Hulk, not the merged Hulk (or "Professor" if you all insist on using that god-awful name).


Cheers.

"Hard" durability? You mean, like a pornstar performance?

I dunno, man. Prof always seemed to be highly invulnerable to me. Tanking Thing's punch to the solar plexus, dogs of war, did nicely against adamantium weapons, too... I guess you have energy attacks in mind.

Also, Wolverine had to resort to some uber skill nerve strike with his bone claws, while other versions of Hulk got visibly damaged by them. One to the point of bleeding like crazy, even.

I prefer Doctor Hulk.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

I dunno, man. Prof always seemed to be highly invulnerable to me. Tanking Thing's punch to the solar plexus, dogs of war, did nicely against adamantium weapons, too... I guess you have energy attacks in mind.

I've got everything in mind. The savage/childlike Hulk has no-sold Thing's best Sunday punches on more than one occasion, and is the only Hulk incarnation who has repeatedly been shown as durable enough to resist Wolverine's adamantium claws without breaking the skin.

When did the merged Hulk face adamantium weapons? He was sliced to ribbons by much less impressive things than adamantium, that's for sure.

The Maestro's "Dogs of War" thing also doesn't show the Hulk to be more durable than adamantium; Hulk destroys the robot before it has a chance to bite through his neck. We never get to find out if his neck would have lasted as long as the 7.something seconds the Dog can supposedly crush adamantium in.



The only Hulk who was ever cut by Wolverine's bone claws was the gravage Hulk in Marvel Fanfare v2 #2, and this was at a time when his durability was fluctuating wildly, at times dropping to much lower levels than usual due to his connection to the Heroes Reborn universe. Around the same time as this fight, the same Hulk was busted wide open by a bog-standard hand-launched missile explosion.

Less than a year later (in Hulk #454), the very same gravage Hulk completely no-sold a free shot to the throat from Wolverine's bone claws with no damage whatsoever. He literally laughed at the idea that Logan could cut him without adamantium.


The savage/childlike Hulk also fought a bone claw Wolvie (though it was later ret-conned into being a Skrull instead of the real deal). The bone claws were completely ineffective against his hide; the only time Skrullverine did any visible damage was when he stabbed directly into Hulk's eyeballs.


There was really nothing special in Logan's apparent inability to cut the merged Hulk with his bone claws.


Cheers.

Wolverine stabbed right through savage Hulk's skull.

^ It's actually PIS going by consistant showings

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wolverine stabbed right through savage Hulk's skull.



Dialogue in that depiction was pure gravage Hulk.

Either way, it's very much an outlier compared to every other showing of the claws vs a green-skinned Hulk incarnation.


Cheers.

Originally posted by LGU
Dialogue in that depiction was pure gravage Hulk.

Either way, it's very much an outlier compared to every other showing of the claws vs a green-skinned Hulk incarnation.


Cheers.
Cho certainly didn't think so.

Logan also cut WWH.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Logan also cut WWH.

Yes, he did.

What point are you trying to make?


Cheers.

Originally posted by LGU
Yes, he did.

What point are you trying to make?


Cheers.
You are trying to make it like Hulk no sells Logan or something on average.

They have like a dozen fights. In two of them Logan was unable to cut him, that's it.

7 Spider-men added together = 1 Wolverine, apparently

Originally posted by LGU
When did the merged Hulk face adamantium weapons? He was sliced to ribbons by much less impressive things than adamantium, that's for sure.

Wolverine, Speedfreak.

Originally posted by LGU
The savage/childlike Hulk also fought a bone claw Wolvie (though it was later ret-conned into being a Skrull instead of the real deal). The bone claws were completely ineffective against his hide; the only time Skrullverine did any visible damage was when he stabbed directly into Hulk's eyeballs.

Wrong - claws did leave marks actually (just before Hulk breaks one set of them), even though they didn't made him bleed. That's more than bone claws did to Prof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to make it like Hulk no sells Logan or something on average.

They have like a dozen fights. In two of them Logan was unable to cut him, that's it.

Wolverine's inability to cut through Savage Hulk was retconned into Hulk healing so fast it seems as if his skin was impenetrable.

Speedfreek has rocket boosters to help him cut

Exactly.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/th_Hulk459_15b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/a63de7f7-de97-46e6-96a8-92b0f004dcb4.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to make it like Hulk no sells Logan or something on average.


No, I'm really not.

You'll note that it was me who pointed out that only one Hulk incarnation had ever been shown as durable enough to resist Logan's claws without being cut.

Suggesting that Wolverine being able to casually cut straight through the Hulk's skull is an outlier is not the same as claiming that Hulk "no sells Logan on average."



In your hurry to wade in, you may have failed to notice that the Wolverine examples were just one facet of a comparison between different Hulk incarnations.

Wolverine's adamantium claws have explicitly failed to cut the Hulk's skin under at least three separate writers, arguably four. All four instances were the same Hulk incarnation - the savage/childlike Hulk. He's never failed to cut any other Hulk unless sans adamantium.

That's not the same as being able to casually implant six claws straight though his skull, of course...


Cheers.

^ But that would go against his inability to see anything but low showings for characters not named "superman"

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine, Speedfreak.


Speedfreak went through him like a hot knife through butter. How is that an impressive showing of durability for Hulk?



I'm looking at that page right now. The claws leave no mark at all. Hulk mocks the idea that "puny bone claws" can hurt his skin.



It's certainly true that Peter David attempted to ret-con the healing factor in. But it's very debatable as to how successful he was at getting other writers to follow that take.

The most recent retelling of that original fight once again states very, very explicitly that Logan's claws did not cut the Hulk's skin. There's also been at least one (arguably two) fights long after the ret-con in which Wolverine was unable to penetrate the savage Hulk's skin with his claws.


Cheers.

Originally posted by LGU
Speedfreak went through him like a hot knife through butter. How is that an impressive showing of durability for Hulk?

On another occasion, Hulk received only a minor cut on his arm, iirc.

Originally posted by LGU
I'm looking at that page right now. The claws leave no mark at all. Hulk mocks the idea that "puny bone claws" can hurt his skin.

Pay more attention to it then. Skrullverine's claws did leave the non-bleeding marks.

I'm not bullshitting you as it was a subject of discussion in other threads. Marks are visible. Similar as to what adamantium claws did to Ulik, except Hulk wasn't in any pain.

Originally posted by LGU
The most recent retelling of that original fight once again states very, very explicitly that Logan's claws did not cut the Hulk's skin. There's also been at least one (arguably two) fights long after the ret-con in which Wolverine was unable to penetrate the savage Hulk's skin with his claws.

Original Sin? Daniel Way contradicted himself by including a flashback from that fight later that showed claws actually leaving marks.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
On another occasion, Hulk received only a minor cut on his arm, iirc.

Okay... so how exactly is the merged Hulk receiving a minor cut only to be completely disemboweled later on more impressive than how other Hulks have fared against adamantium attacks?




I don't think you are "bullshitting" me. I do think you are wrong though.

Before I go into detail on why, let's clarify. I assume you are referring to the art detail in the red box on this page, correct?

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/th_hulk-v2-08d_zps5x9uk9dw.jpg




Wolverine Origins #28.



Do you have an issue reference for this? Because of these are "marks" like the ones you refer to from Hulk #8 then I'm not particularly inclined to think they contradict anything...

At any rate, the point is that Peter David may have tried to ret-con the classic Hulk's durability as a healing factor, but it didn't stick. Certainly not with any kind of consistency. Numerous writers have ignored it since.


Cheers.

Originally posted by LGU
No, I'm really not.
Really? Because it seemed like you did. And that same incarnation got stabbed to ko. Seems fair. Colossus has had Logan's claws unable to cut him in at least two instances. He has been cut too. Just like Hulk able to just no sell his claws is an extreme outlier in other direction. Just like colossus being able to do that. Somehow every hulk incarnation after PAD is less durable than savage hulk even though it makes no sense. Two of those instances are just one instance. Wolverine origins 28 is retelling of Hulk 181. That leaves just Wolverine 145 which suggests Wolverine is not strong enough to cut hulk. Which goes against several years of established continuity. But that's average for you.

Just like Hulk being able to just ignore his claws in Wolverine origins 28.........

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Because it seemed like you did.

Yes, well, as anyone who has interacted with you knows by now, how things "seem" to you and how they actually are can often be wildly different things.



When has Colossus been cut by an unamped Wolverine, out of interest?



It's nowhere near as extreme an outlier and I'm sure you know that.

Apart from anything else, Wolverine being unable to pierce the Hulk's skin has occurred under multiple different writers and on more than one occasion. Even in the numerous examples in which Wolverine can cut green skinned Hulks, he's never been able to do more than surface damage. In one of your own examples, Wolverine conceded that though he can pierce Hulk's skin, he cannot do significant damage beyond superficial cuts and has to target the vulnerable eyes.

There's a huge discrepancy between being able to cut the Hulk and being able to easily spike clean through his skull.



I'm fully aware of that. As I said, Wolverine has failed to cut the Hulk under at least three separate writers, not separate fights. I know subtle distinctions like that often have to be explained to you.

The point is that at least one writer sticks strongly to the original, claws not cutting, take decades after Peter David tried to ret-con it.



There's also the fight from the Wolverine/Hulk: Six Days mini. Wolverine lands multiple clean claw strikes and there's no evidence of any cuts or blood (although Hulk doesn't seem to enjoy them too much). Wolverine ends up trying to stick his claws in Hulk's mouth as he isn't doing any damage.



Go on then... Aside from PAD's attempted ret-con, what "established continuity" of Wolverine cutting the savage Hulk was there in between IH #181 and Wolverine #145?



Again, at no point did I suggest that Wolverine failing to cut the Hulk is the average depiction. Quite the opposite.

Once again, I stated quite clearly before you leaped in full of self-righteousness that only one Hulk incarnation had ever been portrayed as durable enough to resist being cut by the claws.

I wonder how many times I'll have to repeat that as you try to construct your strawmen?



Cheers.

All repeating aside, good argument.