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Superman is often said to be vulnerable to mental attack. But He has resisted many mental attack. So I want to elucidate his mental strength. Can he resist these mental attack?

1. Gorilla Grodd's telepathy
2. Maxwell Lord's telepathy
3. injecting Brainiac's nanoboto into his brain
4. Purpleman's control
5. Martian Manhunter's telepathy
6. Xavier's telepathy
7. Darkseid's telepathy
8. Average Marvel Hell Lord's magic
9. Thanos's telepathy
10. Galactus telepathy

Round1: New52 Superman
Round2: Pre Flash Point Superman

Depends on the writer actually. Sometimes he can shrug off telepathy of Mxy twins throwing entire universe's weight into his mind or an elder goddess rupturing entire timelines in his mind and sometimes even low level telepaths can control him.

His resistance to telepathy is wildly inconsistent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Depends on the writer actually. Sometimes he can shrug off telepathy of Mxy twins throwing entire universe's weight into his mind or an elder goddess rupturing entire timelines in his mind and sometimes even low level telepaths can control him.

His resistance to telepathy is wildly inconsistent.
Thank you. so Can Mid-High end Superman resist these mental attacks?

New 52 Superman falls to all of them. Pre Reboot Supes had a high resistance to TP.

Superman falters in every scenario.

Originally posted by carver9
New 52 Superman falls to all of them. Pre Reboot Supes had a high resistance to TP.
Shut up. New 52 superman was immune to Brainiac's TP who was universal in TP.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Depends on the writer actually. Sometimes he can shrug off telepathy of Mxy twins throwing entire universe's weight into his mind or an elder goddess rupturing entire timelines in his mind and sometimes even low level telepaths can control him.

His resistance to telepathy is wildly inconsistent.

There's usually a reason the low level telepaths control him, though. Like Sleeze only controlling him after Barda knocks him out with a sneak attack. (Leading to the infamous porno scene he made them do..)

Originally posted by cdtm
There's usually a reason the low level telepaths control him, though. Like Sleeze only controlling him after Barda knocks him out with a sneak attack. (Leading to the infamous porno scene he made them do..)
Yeah, often enough there is some plot point for it.

Both versions of Superman cruise through

Originally posted by CatL18
Superman is often said to be vulnerable to mental attack. But He has resisted many mental attack. So I want to elucidate his mental strength. Can he resist these mental attack?

1. Gorilla Grodd's telepathy
2. Maxwell Lord's telepathy
3. injecting Brainiac's nanoboto into his brain
4. Purpleman's control
5. Martian Manhunter's telepathy
6. Xavier's telepathy
7. Darkseid's telepathy
8. Average Marvel Hell Lord's magic
9. Thanos's telepathy
10. Galactus telepathy

Round1: New52 Superman
Round2: Pre Flash Point Superman

Probably stops between Darkseid and Galactus.

Ostrander wrote MM sifting through every mind on Earth for a specific piece of information. Yet he couldn't even locate Superman telepathically, if he didn't want to be found.

Which makes sense. His secret identity wouldn't last long without some telepathic resistance.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut up. New 52 superman was immune to Brainiac's TP who was universal in TP.

You forgot to mention Superman also had Doomsday in his body as well and Brainiac played with his mind the entire time...showing him images and everything.

Also, have you read Psi War?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html

Superman almost died from a being that a newb Lois stalemated in a Psi fight. He would've died if Lois didn't save him.

Originally posted by carver9
You forgot to mention Superman also had Doomsday in his body as well and Brainiac played with his mind the entire time...showing him images and everything.

Also, have you read Psi War?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html

Superman almost died from a being that a newb Lois stalemated in a Psi fight. He would've died if Lois didn't save him.

You will have to do better then this considering you told us Hulk>Celestials..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You will have to do better then this considering you told us Hulk>Celestials..

I never told you this you crazy man you.

Yeah, it was MARVEL who told this to us, apparently. Carver was merely reporting what they wrote.

He dodged when you asked him the direct question, then the second time you asked, he flat out ignored it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, it was MARVEL who told this to us, apparently. Carver was merely reporting what they wrote.

And even with all of that said, I still said the Celestials were stronger.

Originally posted by carver9
And even with all of that said, I still said the Celestials were stronger.

Uh huh

Originally posted by carver9
It was capable of stopping the Celestial race. Hulk still had the power to destroy said machine. Speaks volumes imo.

We then got sidetracked, and you were admitting that Skyfathers (Odin/Zeus) were stronger than Hulk. Where does it end?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Uh huh

Read more into the thread and you'll find multiple posts where I diliberately said the Celestial/a Celestial is stronger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We then got sidetracked, and you were admitting that Skyfathers (Odin/Zeus) were stronger than Hulk. Where does it end?

I think you need to read a Lil deeper into my post.

Here ya go and I just saw Bran 'show off' post. Will be replying to him soon.

Originally posted by carver9
Let me put it like this. Odin can amp at a faster rate than Hulk but if Odin stayed constant, no amping, Hulk could surpass him (if that makes sense). If Zeus didn't beat the hell out of Hulk and they actually traded blows, I don't think Zeus would've been unaffecteded by Hulk and that was shown when Hulk punched him sending him flying through the area. A Celestial is too big to compare Hulk strength too so I am going to have to say no on that one and you posted a good scan of them not too long ago.

I am going to say this though (this has nothing to do with my stance on Hulk strength being comparable to a Celestial)...Thor himself has said Hulk could be the strongest being he's faced...

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html

Whatever writer this is had high thoughts of the Hulk. Then we have this...

Hulk being called one of the most powerful men in existence from Pak. Or it being outright said that Hulk power can match that of the Celestial race.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-20-12-04-51_zpse77f2a00.png.html

Pretty sure I don't have to post what Starlin recently wrote in his book about Hulk strength vs everything in the Universe or Thor girl writer saying Hulk is the strongest being in the Universe. That's why I told you that I was undecided and if we have a defined Cap on Hulks strength. If we base things off of train of thought, then of course I will say Odin is probably stronger but if we go by potential, knowing that Hulk doesn't have a Cap, then no one is stronger than him.

Hope that answered your question.

I found this post easily. A couple of seconds. Are you all taking the time to read my argument? I honestly don't think you are.

I will just repost what I posted in the other thread that you conveniently ducked out of..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It did not say that, in this scan, on the contrary, it has him taking a boot to the skull and bleeding. Did you not think I would check the scan?

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-20-12-04-51_zpse77f2a00.png

Hulk isn't in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
You forgot to mention Superman also had Doomsday in his body as well and Brainiac played with his mind the entire time...showing him images and everything.

Also, have you read Psi War?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html

Superman almost died from a being that a newb Lois stalemated in a Psi fight. He would've died if Lois didn't save him.
Doomsday made superman weaker mentally.

Now you're outright denying on panel statement.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Psycho Pirate was more powerful than Hector Hammond and Insect Queen put together. Here is a better feat than that.

Superman was immune to Brainiac's TP.

http://i.imgur.com/1q5HvdG.jpg

How powerful was Brainiac? Well Lois Lane's TP power were universal level as showed here when Parasite stole her powers.

http://i.imgur.com/WfcQoXq.jpg

And those powers are just a fraction of TP powers of Brainiac. "Every person on the planet, every planet in the cosmos, all at once. This is what Brainiac sees every.......". And what Brainiac sees every day fried the mind of a universal level telepath's mind.

So yeah, Superman has low feats. But he has his high feats too.

And Brainiac showed him illusions when he was amped on the psychic powers of billions and was casually creating universes.

So shut up.

Originally posted by carver9
I think you need to read a Lil deeper into my post.

I did.

Reading into it means you were very subtly screaming 'I WON'T SAY IT OUTRIGHT IN CASE I GET RIDICULED EVEN MORE THAN I AM, BUT I AM SUBTLY SCREAMING THAT HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE IN ALL OF THE MARVEL OMNIVERSE'.

Sample post:

DS: Is Hulk strongest there is?
Carver: I don't know about that, but here are tons of scans (allegedly) saying that Hulk is > Celestials. I will blind you with scans and texts, and hope you won't check up on me.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk isn't in this thread.

Then why are you posting about him here?


Originally posted by carver9
Here ya go and I just saw Bran 'show off' post. Will be replying to him soon.



I found this post easily. A couple of seconds. Are you all taking the time to read my argument? I honestly don't think you are.

Originally posted by carver9
Here ya go and I just saw Bran 'show off' post. Will be replying to him soon. Do it. Please

I am highly curious how badly you can backtrack out of it. It could very well be the greatest post in the history of KMC

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did.

Reading into it means you were very subtly screaming 'I WON'T SAY IT OUTRIGHT IN CASE I GET RIDICULED EVEN MORE THAN I AM, BUT I AM SUBTLY SCREAMING THAT HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE IN ALL OF THE MARVEL OMNIVERSE'.

Sample post:

DS: Is Hulk strongest there is?
Carver: I don't know about that, but here are tons of scans (allegedly) saying that Hulk is > Celestials. I will blind you with scans and texts, and hope you won't check up on me.


Lol...nope. I said who was stronger but I never said I wouldn't support Hulk in a thread involving him.

Depends on the version I guess. Post crisis Supes once threw off telepathy from even a magical source, and blamed it on "training from J'onn".

But no PC Supes? The guy who we had an alien flat out die just from trying to read his mind? Some think "oh his mind was just that strong" but I think the thing was just horrified by being inside such a mind. Anybody who burns the bath robe Jimmy Olsen gave them for Father's Day is a terrible person.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did.

Reading into it means you were very subtly screaming 'I WON'T SAY IT OUTRIGHT IN CASE I GET RIDICULED EVEN MORE THAN I AM, BUT I AM SUBTLY SCREAMING THAT HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE IN ALL OF THE MARVEL OMNIVERSE'.

Sample post:

DS: Is Hulk strongest there is?
Carver: I don't know about that, but here are tons of scans (allegedly) saying that Hulk is > Celestials. I will blind you with scans and texts, and hope you won't check up on me.

I think that Both high-end Superman will clear this gauntlet.
But If Mid-High end , I think PF Superman will stop at 5 or 6, New52 Superman will stop at 3 or 4

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman falters in every scenario.



Of course he does.

Originally posted by Star428
Of course he does. Don't bellyache about it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday made superman weaker mentally.

Now you're outright denying on panel statement.


And Brainiac showed him illusions when he was amped on the psychic powers of billions and was casually creating universes.

So shut up.

Scans where it said Doomsday made him weaker. During the Psi wars, it was heavily mentioned that Superman was vulnerable to mind attacks.

Don't get the point of your scans. Pointless.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans where it said Doomsday made him weaker. During the Psi wars, it was heavily mentioned that Superman was vulnerable to mind attacks.

Don't get the point of your scans. Pointless.
Read the Doomed crossover first. Not to mention J'onn had locked Doomsday in a psychic prison at that point.

Yeah, in one story he was vulnerable. In another he was immune to Brainiac's telepathy.

Of course you think those are pointless. Those aren't celestials level scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read the Doomed crossover first. Not to mention J'onn had locked Doomsday in a psychic prison at that point.

Yeah, in one story he was vulnerable. In another he was immune to Brainiac's telepathy.

Of course you think those are pointless. Those aren't celestials level scans.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iceIaejRDZI/Tz0Q67qyOhI/AAAAAAAAF5I/BEFK1EUo-Yc/s1600/yay-everything-is-great.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Scans where it said Doomsday made him weaker. During the Psi wars, it was heavily mentioned that Superman was vulnerable to mind attacks.

Don't get the point of your scans. Pointless.

Yeah, just like he is been mentioned as vulnerable to kryptonite and red sun radiation as well. *Reads comic where Supes survives a nuke while exposed to kryptonite, then reads another comic where he flies through a red sun after flying through a field of kryptonite and is still alive*

Originally posted by CatL18
Superman is often said to be vulnerable to mental attack. But He has resisted many mental attack. So I want to elucidate his mental strength. Can he resist these mental attack?

1. Gorilla Grodd's telepathy
2. Maxwell Lord's telepathy
3. injecting Brainiac's nanoboto into his brain
4. Purpleman's control
5. Martian Manhunter's telepathy
6. Xavier's telepathy
7. Darkseid's telepathy
8. Average Marvel Hell Lord's magic
9. Thanos's telepathy
10. Galactus telepathy

Round1: New52 Superman
Round2: Pre Flash Point Superman Current Superman possibly could resist current Gorilla Grodd, Purple Man and maybe J'onn's telepathy. The rest he'd almost assuredly succumb to.

Classic Superman could possibly resist all save for Maxwell Lord, an average Marvel Hell Lord and Galactus' telepathy. It really is hit or miss with him but that's pretty common among high heralds.

Ob yeah, his feats range from below average, to stupidly awesome, to just plain stupid (Emperor Joker. Spectre, Quintessence, and Darkseid mind raped, while Superman repeatedly resists him.)