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Slug fest.
No strength amp, energy manip or flight/board for base strength Surfer.
No amps for Colossus.
No prep. No BFR.

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Colossus can't hurt Surfer. Surfer stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
Colossus can't hurt Surfer. Surfer stomps.

Spite thread, this aint even a fight.

Isnt Colossus class 100? Isnt Surfer? With Colossus being a better H2H fighter, if less durable?

Sounds like a good fight.

What feats does 'base' Surfer have?

Exactly.

I dont see how this is a Surfer stomp.

Still durable enough to fight inside black holes. Also Colossus is comparable to..what kind of Class 100's, strength wise?

Originally posted by Surtur
Still durable enough to fight inside black holes. Also Colossus is comparable to..what kind of Class 100's, strength wise?

but did he amp his durability with the PC? See where I am going with this? It's kinda hard to separate 'unamped' Surfer with 'amped' Surfer.

Originally posted by Surtur
Still durable enough to fight inside black holes. Also Colossus is comparable to..what kind of Class 100's, strength wise?

To the kind that are class 100.

And really, lots of characters that fight inside black holes get knocked around in fights, so, really, there's no issue that isnt in a lot of other threads here.

I'm trying to be more PC nowadays, as there's a lot of sniping in these threads. That said i'd rather this go to page 2 than be filled with those types of responses, thank you.

Depends how you define base Surfer.

When Surfer fought Hulk and his Warbound he didn't have access to the Power Cosmic and was weakened from the portal. (E.g., "The disc prevented me from using my Power Cosmic"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#7

Yet when he physically fought the Warbound he did extremely well:
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#0
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#1
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#2

"Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#3
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#4
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#5
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#6

They were forced to destroy his disc, to break Surfer's mind-control.

Base Surfer. Colossus wouldn't come close to doing anything like this.

http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/6029/surfer2ih95a7qh.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1233/surfer2ih95b6vj.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1812/surfer2ih95c7db.jpg
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http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7746/surfer2ih95e7ur.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4989/surfer2ih95f0no.jpg
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Somebody beat me to the punch.

Base surfer beat up planet hulk,and he wasn't at full power there,add eons of experience,this aint a fight

Originally posted by carver9
Base Surfer. Colossus wouldn't come close to doing anything like this.

Somebody beat me to the punch.

The...one punch!

Yeah, good points.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The...one punch!

Yeah, good points.

I don't get it.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't get it.

I try sometimes to be nice to you, carver, I really do. You don't make it easy though

And here we go.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3706627-7107495694-34547.jpg

Colossus can land telling punches on the Hulk. Not too shabby.

He punches the Hulk and then quite literally says he has done nothing but piss him off. Also did Hulk inject himself with steroids or something? Look at the size comparison of him and Peter as the punch connects and then the next scene Hulk is massively larger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
but did he amp his durability with the PC? See where I am going with this? It's kinda hard to separate 'unamped' Surfer with 'amped' Surfer.

But no I don't think he was shown specifically using the PC to amp his durability. I suppose he could of, but we were never given a "I must utilize the power cosmic to help myself survive this exposure". I suppose technically everything he does the PC is responsible for.

Originally posted by riv6672
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3706627-7107495694-34547.jpg

Colossus can land telling punches on the Hulk. Not too shabby.

Hulk was weakened in both of these fights but I'm pretty sure he was far weakened in this fight than he was when he faced Surfer.

Probably Colossus.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Depends how you define base Surfer.

When Surfer fought Hulk and his Warbound he didn't have access to the Power Cosmic and was weakened from the portal. (E.g., "The disc prevented me from using my Power Cosmic"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#7

Yet when he physically fought the Warbound he did extremely well:
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#0
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#1
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#2

"Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#3
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#4
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#5
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#6

They were forced to destroy his disc, to break Surfer's mind-control.
The disk stopped him from using power cosmic. It wasn't stripped from him.

Hulk was equipped with same control disk and was far more weakened than surfer as Surfer was on sakaar for quite some time.

Hulk still KTFO him with a few punches. After the disks were removed.

Surfer on account of, theres no way in hell collosus would do what Surfer did to the warbound. Hed get torn apart.

And surfer wins here FWIW. Colossus is useless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And surfer wins here FWIW. Colossus is useless.

He's not useless I'm sure he is great at drinking vodka.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The disk stopped him from using power cosmic. It wasn't stripped from him.

Hulk was equipped with same control disk and was far more weakened than surfer as Surfer was on sakaar for quite some time.

Hulk still KTFO him with a few punches. After the disks were removed.

Surfer couldn't amp or do anything energy based. It's exactly what the OP asked for.

How was Surfer on Sakaar longer than Hulk?

Surfer had stopped fighting by that point. What do you think Hiroim meant when he said "Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot" and Hulk says "Got it. Go high."

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Surfer on account of, theres no way in hell collosus would do what Surfer did to the warbound. Hed get torn apart.

Korg could probably beat Colossus.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer couldn't amp or do anything energy based. It's exactly what the OP asked for.

How was Surfer on Sakaar longer than Hulk?

Surfer had stopped fighting by that point. What do you think Hiroim meant when he said "Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot" and Hulk says "Got it. Go high."
Hulk couldn't amp either.

He had arrived on sakaar quite some time ago.

Surfer attacked hulk in the very same manner, he was trying to greet him and surfer hit him with a mace. Hulk was annoyed.

When he returned the favor, surfer was KTFO.

It was never in doubt who was stronger. And entire warbound were weakened as well.

It's a non feat for surfer.

And I still give zero credit to the petty cheapshots the Hulk gave after the disks were removed. Surfer hits him one time, Hulk hit Surfer REPEATEDLY. And apparently it didn't do much as he was back on his feet to deactivate the rest of the discs in no time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk couldn't amp either.

He had arrived on sakaar quite some time ago.

Surfer attacked hulk in the very same manner, he was trying to greet him and surfer hit him with a mace. Hulk was annoyed.

When he returned the favor, surfer was KTFO.

It was never in doubt who was stronger. And entire warbound were weakened as well.

It's a non feat for surfer.
Scan of the obedience disc stopping Hulk's anger from amping him? Also scans of Surfer arriving on Sakaar before Hulk?

Surfer was weakened too, and couldn't access his PC, so it's all relative.

It's easy to knock someone out if they stopped fighting.

You didn't answer my question. What did Hiroim mean when he said "Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"

I'm not surprised you would try to low-ball this feat.

Surfer used "atomic strength" amping against Thing.

Without amping, he would get raped by Colossus. Norrin doesn't know how to fight.

He didn't use amping when he physically beat-down classic Abomination.

When?

Abom's a jobber most of the time, anyway. She-Hulk'd, etc.

Well technically he didn't use "atomic strength" but there was some energy near the end. He used PC to knock him out in the last panel:
http://imgur.com/a/F1BVy#2
http://imgur.com/a/F1BVy#3
http://imgur.com/a/F1BVy#4
http://imgur.com/a/F1BVy#5

Originally posted by One-Punch
Scan of the obedience disc stopping Hulk's anger from amping him? Also scans of Surfer arriving on Sakaar before Hulk?

Surfer was weakened too, and couldn't access his PC, so it's all relative.

It's easy to knock someone out if they stopped fighting.

You didn't answer my question. What did Hiroim mean when he said "Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"

I'm not surprised you would try to low-ball this feat.
You mean you haven't read planet hulk where Hulk wasn't able to amp the whole time?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg

Surfer was there for quite some time as revealed there.

Its easier than knocking someone out when they are trying to greet a friend with an energy charged mace?

Hiroim using a hyperbole? They didn't know how powerful Hulk was at that point after all.

Just like I knew you'll wank the shit out of it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean you haven't read planet hulk where Hulk wasn't able to amp the whole time?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg

Surfer was there for quite some time as revealed there.

Its easier than knocking someone out when they are trying to greet a friend with an energy charged mace?

Hiroim using a hyperbole? They didn't know how powerful Hulk was at that point after all.

Just like I knew you'll wank the shit out of it.
I did read it, I'm asking you to provide proof (i.e., references) to your claims.

Your scan of Surfer doesn't give any time reference to how long Surfer was on the planet relative to Hulk. But it does reinforce how weakened Surfer was:

"The portal weakened me. I was vulnerable like never before"

Unless you can prove Surfer was on the planet longer than Hulk, you have no basis for claiming Hulk was more weakened.

Did you miss the part where Hiroim says they would die if they didn't break Surfer's mind control disc? It's pretty explicit.

Originally posted by riv6672
To the kind that are class 100.

But not all Class 100's are the same.



This is quite puzzling. My response pointed out a durability feat and then asked more or less what level of Class 100 people think Colossus is on. You also have a problem with my response and yet when I ask for Class 100's he is comparable to the response is "the kind that are Class 100".

If you are saying despite the durability feat mentioned you think Colossus can hurt him..that is certainly a way to go, but you would need more then just "a lot of characters who go inside black holes get knocked around". It's also not his only durability feat. Doesn't Surfer wade through stars without any harm? Hasn't he had fights in the cores of suns?

I don't even see where being PC has to even enter into it. I don't think I posted anything worthy of being sniped at. Disagreed with sure, but nothing that should tick anybody off.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Depends how you define base Surfer.

When Surfer fought Hulk and his Warbound he didn't have access to the Power Cosmic and was weakened from the portal. (E.g., "The disc prevented me from using my Power Cosmic"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#7

Yet when he physically fought the Warbound he did extremely well:
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#0
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#1
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#2

"Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#3
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#4
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#5
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#6

They were forced to destroy his disc, to break Surfer's mind-control.

I think that Colossus is the better and smarter h2h fighter, he should win this.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was weakened in both of these fights but I'm pretty sure he was far weakened in this fight than he was when he faced Surfer.
I was about to head out for the day; just wanted to throw in a Colossus scan, hopefully stir up a better conversation than SS stomps. Worked!
Just had an enjoyable read.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I think that Colossus is the better and smarter h2h fighter, he should win this.
When compared to Spidey Cap is the better and smarter h2h fighter, but it would be hard pressed for him to take even 1 out of 10 in a straight brawl.


Norrin wins.

@VinceSlice

on those Surfer vs Abom scans.. Haven't seen those in a minute. Surfer definitely ain't no slouch physically.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Surfer used "atomic strength" amping against Thing.

Without amping, he would get raped by Colossus. Norrin doesn't know how to fight.

Why take such an early appearance instead of something as recent as planet hulk? Colossus would be hilariously out of his depth if he were in norrin's place.

Planet Hulk had a vastly depowered Hulk.

Originally posted by riv6672
Isnt Colossus class 100? Isnt Surfer? With Colossus being a better H2H fighter, if less durable?

Sounds like a good fight.



Colossus isn't shrugging off a punch from a pissed off Hulk, as Norrin has.

Colossus is bottom tier among the heavy hitters. On par with Ben Grimm, who couldn't beat Norrin on his best day.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Planet Hulk had a vastly depowered Hulk.

He didnt look any weaker than colossus. He looked solidly still in class 100 even if he couldnt amp.

Spite, closed.