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http://www.francescofrancavilla.com/sequentials/images/the_shadow_09_cover_francavilla_title_low.jpg

Fight takes place in a Shadowy Big City Alley of the 1930's.

Which Goth Noir WINS?

The Shadow pwns

Yeah, going with The Shadow.
This is like Punisher/Batman. Shadow has the better skill/power set, and is just a level above Johnson, though both can mow down mooks and look good doing it.
Nice fight!

Lobster Johnson.

Shadow should win this...

^^^...totally.

Are these the weaker versions or the stronger versions?

The weaker versions are both peak human. It's a stalemate. The only one who loses is the one who gets hit by a haymaker first.

I don't see how The Shadow can hurt Lobster Johnson's ghost form, even his invisible psychic version won't be enough.

Feels like people are lowballing Lobster Johnson only because they haven't read his books/Appearances.

^^^this has to be the most overused reason for disagreeing with each other on Comic book sites.

He's right though. Can Shadow affect this high level ghost?

How is he right? He didnt even pose that scenario. He posted the name Lobster Johnson then made the statement about not reading comics.


As to YOUR question, i've no idea, i made my pick in reference to the base level versions.

Shadow can affect dead people:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418923-ability+rhom++.the+dead+%281%29.png

Commanding the dead to live again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418925-ability+rhom++dead+%282%29.png

More dead commanding:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418924-ability+rhom++dead+%281%29.png

And again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418927-ability+rhom++dead+%284%29.png

He can just command Lobster to revert to human form. Then punch him.

I still don't see how his statement isn't correct though. Does shadow have the means to affect a ghost or not? even human forms I wouldn't say shadow was another level above him. Would like to see the reasons for that to be honest.

Also as per the rules unless stated you go by current versions. Lobster also became a ghost in the 30s.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shadow can affect dead people:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418923-ability+rhom++.the+dead+%281%29.png

Commanding the dead to live again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418925-ability+rhom++dead+%282%29.png

More dead commanding:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418924-ability+rhom++dead+%281%29.png

And again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3418927-ability+rhom++dead+%284%29.png

He can just command Lobster to revert to human form. Then punch him.

Interesting. I highly doubt he could easily do it to lobster seeing as he was stated to be one of the most powerful ghosts in that universe. Did he do it against someone of note?

Also shadow did it when their original bodies were present. You have him doing it against a completely corporal form with no body? Can shadow recreate a body to turn him back to human?

Don't care about the talking to the dead scan as not really relevant as won't affect the fight

Originally posted by -K-M-
I still don't see how his statement isn't correct though. Does shadow have the means to affect a ghost or not?
Because he didnt make the statement. Asbestos did. All he did was resort to a cliche.
And DS coveted the ghost question, which was, as usual, good info.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also as per the rules unless stated you go by current versions. Lobster also became a ghost in the 30s.
With characters as obscure as this, i go with what i know, and if corrected, adjust.
I dont assume any one character is amped. Live versions of both chsracters seemed to be what Fly intended.
Being a ghost in this case is basically an amp, though it looks like it wouldnt really matter. As DS showed.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Interesting. I highly doubt he could easily do it to lobster seeing as he was stated to be one of the most powerful ghosts in that universe. Did he do it against someone of note?

Also shadow did it when their original bodies were present. You have him doing it against a completely corporal form with no body? Can shadow recreate a body to turn him back to human?

Don't care about the talking to the dead scan as not really relevant as won't affect the fight

Galan is prob a better person to ask (much as it hurts me to say it).

He had a battle with some really powerful psychic demon, and used misdirection on them. Closest I could find to match this battle, I guess. Not perfect, but heyho:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3532952-shadow+vs+pyshic+kids+%231+%285%29.png


Plus, he could predict (if needed) what Lobster was going to do, with his soul reading:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3364410-ability+tsk+man+attacking.png

Originally posted by riv6672
Because he didnt make the statement. Asbestos did. All he did was resort to a cliche.
And DS coveted the ghost question, which was, as usual, good info.


With characters as obscure as this, i go with what i know, and if corrected, adjust.
I dont assume any one character is amped. Live versions of both chsracters seemed to be what Fly intended.
Being a ghost in this case is basically an amp, though it looks like it wouldnt really matter. As DS showed.

You just kind of proved his point. You just admitted you only go with what you know and lobster has been a ghost for over 90% of his appearances. It's fairly common knowledge. What base form leads you to believe shadow is on another level as well?

He technically didn't. As they weren't corporeal forms though, nor where they of anyone of note and nor did he out right control them as they appear to have control even when brought back. Is shadow going to recreate his body now? Does shadow even know where his body is?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Galan is prob a better person to ask (much as it hurts me to say it).

He had a battle with some really powerful psychic demon, and used misdirection on them. Closest I could find to match this battle, I guess. Not perfect, but heyho:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3532952-shadow+vs+pyshic+kids+%231+%285%29.png


Plus, he could predict (if needed) what Lobster was going to do, with his soul reading:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131174/3364410-ability+tsk+man+attacking.png

Yeah sorry I'm not seeing anything to impressive to lead me to believe he could outright control lobster or completely turn him into human again. It's an unlikely tactic to work from what I have seen. Nor does "resurrecting" the dead last so lobster would just turn back into a ghost (unless he can do it indefinetly)

Looks like I'm making a lobster respect thread

Appearances i've read quite a few times.
Again, i didnt base my pick on one character being amped.
And again again, all he did was post a name and a cliche. You're amping his statement to dead lobster levels.

Who and who?

I guess I could have put it in the stips to not use the Garth Ennis version because (IMO) it is the SHITTIEST version of the shadow.

That would have cleared things up a little.

Are you using Lobster Johnson's initial peak-human form or ghost form? That ultimately decides the match.

Go with peak human.

^^^ah HA!!!

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^ah HA!!!

Ok now prove he is a level above lobster as you said.

No offense, but after this morning's exchange, with you attributing things to people who never said them and us having a big ol' circular "discussion" over it, i'll just go with:

The Shadow.

And leave it at that.

Interesting care to point where I did that? Because I was going by the rules of the board and by using showings from 90% of his appearances as a testament of who the character is.

All I'm asking is you to justify your earlier statement (asked a few times now technically). Don't see why that's wrong???

Why dont you just read my first post over?
I gave my reasoning, when i could just have made a pick and been done.
Speaking of done...ciao.

So as I expected you can't back up your claims. Fair enough

K-M can read?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
K-M can read?

Yes, but mostly in Canadian.

Canadians have a written language?