The Plutonian VERSUS Death Sentry

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LordofBrooklyn
The Plutonian

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320010427/villains/images/a/af/Irredeemable.jpg


Versus

Death Sentry

http://orig09.deviantart.net/6944/f/2015/081/4/a/death_sentry_fanart_by_jorel_by_robertdarksentry-d8mpz6r.png

leonidas
deathtry kills him.

tkitna
Originally posted by leonidas
deathtry kills him.

this

Board Walker
Plutonian stomps sentrt into nothingness

leonidas
lol

ShadowFyre
Originally posted by Board Walker
Plutonian stomps sentrt into nothingness

How does the plutonian do that? DSS cant be physically hurt, even if your as strong or stronger than him. Thor has already splattered his brain all over the place and he was fine without it next panel. He has no real body for them to punchy punch. Unless Im forgetting some of his powers. The plutonian could be as strong as 100 Hulks with the powergem, if all he has going for him is physically punching or heatbeaming, then its a stalemate or Sentry.

leonidas
yeah, anything plutonian can do sentry can do anyway. add the whole regenerating from having your head smooshed, and there is no chance tony can win this.

irredeemable was such a dark and frustrating story anyway. that prick doesn't deserve to win. lol

leonidas
hmm, i suppose i should revise my opinion somewhat. i assume this is the standard, unevolved plutonian? hard to say what plutonian was ultimately capable of, but i guess it's not impossible he could find a way to put dentry down....

Astner
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
How does the plutonian do that? DSS cant be physically hurt, even if your as strong or stronger than him. Thor has already splattered his brain all over the place and he was fine without it next panel. He has no real body for them to punchy punch. Unless Im forgetting some of his powers. The plutonian could be as strong as 100 Hulks with the powergem, if all he has going for him is physically punching or heatbeaming, then its a stalemate or Sentry.
Board Walker is pretty much the Bizarro of KMC. Don't mind him.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by leonidas
deathtry kills him.


yes

ShadowFyre
I dont have a problem with people saying the plutonian beats him. but saying he beats the shit out of him, because as of right now, theres no real body to beat the shit out of

Surtur
Plutonian even at his height..just isn't on Sentry's level. Could he of potentially become stronger? Possibly, but we will never know. I actually think Plutonian is faster, but Sentry is just too hard to put down.

Damborgson
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111137388/3523722-1393007423-35216.jpg

He wasn't down for more than a few seconds, I don't think he can be killed unless you rip his soul out of the body or something.

ShadowFyre
Originally posted by Surtur
Plutonian even at his height..just isn't on Sentry's level. Could he of potentially become stronger? Possibly, but we will never know. I actually think Plutonian is faster, but Sentry is just too hard to put down.

Even if the Plutonian was faster and strong enough to punch holes in Sentry Im not sure what he would do.

ShadowFyre
I feel like a Lantern would do better than a Kryptonian or something like that would.

Surtur
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Even if the Plutonian was faster and strong enough to punch holes in Sentry Im not sure what he would do.

That is why I said even though he is probably faster(reacts quick enough to go outrace a radio signal) he just doesn't have the oomph to put Sentry down.

He was blowing up mountains just by snapping his fingers, so he might of potentially gotten to a point where he could..but he got killed before that could happen.

Originally posted by leonidas
irredeemable was such a dark and frustrating story anyway. that prick doesn't deserve to win. lol

You know what though I kind of understand why he became such a dick. I mean what his version of Lois Lane did to him was pretty f*cked up. The story did a good job of showing what happens when a Superman-esque character just snaps.

DarkSaint85
Depends.

I mean, no one here would say in a Mr Immortal vs Batmanmatch , Immortal wins - if Bats keeps killing him over and over and over again, he wins. IMO, that is.

leonidas
Originally posted by Surtur

You know what though I kind of understand why he became such a dick. I mean what his version of Lois Lane did to him was pretty f*cked up. The story did a good job of showing what happens when a Superman-esque character just snaps.

i sort of get it--especially given his origin and who he imprinted on. i enjoyed it mostly, just...he was SUCH a prick...lol worse by far than injustice superman.

it would take a no limits fallacy to make a case for plutonian winning this match though. but i agree--he has the better speed feats. even strength feats would be really close. imo.

Surtur
Originally posted by leonidas
i sort of get it--especially given his origin and who he imprinted on. i enjoyed it mostly, just...he was SUCH a prick...lol worse by far than injustice superman.

it would take a no limits fallacy to make a case for plutonian winning this match though. but i agree--he has the better speed feats. even strength feats would be really close. imo.

Yeah he was a bit of a prick, but even beyond his origins shaping him..I also liked the aspect of his super hearing and essentially being able to hear anyone, anywhere..really kind of messed him up. Which is what you would figure would happen to someone having to listen to billions of people, all the positives and negatives. It'd be hard to not go insane.

leonidas
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah he was a bit of a prick, but even beyond his origins shaping him..I also liked the aspect of his super hearing and essentially being able to hear anyone, anywhere..really kind of messed him up. Which is what you would figure would happen to someone having to listen to billions of people, all the positives and negatives. It'd be hard to not go insane.

yeah, the whole wolf boy thing was cool and seemed...kinda real. his powers evolved nicely too, and i sort of liked the ending where it was implied he became the idea that inspired the creation of superman. lol

@damborg--nice job posting the scan that ruined the page. sneer

Galan007
Sentry wins, though it is not a stomp.

"Id"
Tony is a psionic being like Bob. He instantly healed from Bette attacks.

tkitna
Bob does have molecular manipulation capabilities though. Can Plutonian deal with that? Not sure.

Khazra Reborn
I think y'all are a little too high on Sentry, and the whole "can't be physically hurt" angle, he was KO'd by a worm after all.

Adam Grimes
Sure it wasn't your everyday worm. Unless you're Australian.

ShadowFyre
He wasnt koed as he was bfr'd, which is even more retarded if you ask me. And the whole "cant be physically hurt" is spot on if you ask me considering he ripped his own face apart and then had his brain, brain stem, and part of his spinal cord obliterated. And he started talking without it or his face. If the battle was first one to punch the others face in then Sentry would lose. I dont dont even particularly care for Sentry, but DeathSeed Sentry was shown to do more damage to himself for shits and giggles than anybody but a surprise Mjolnir to the brain and being swallowed by some big slow ass tremor knockoff.

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I think y'all are a little too high on Sentry, and the whole "can't be physically hurt" angle, he was KO'd by a worm after all.

I would've thought that was a pretty easy way to write Sentry out at that point. If the worm doesn't appear then Sentry goes on to kill everyone anyway. And to then remember he ripped his skin off his head once and then his whole head.

Took a blow which shattered his brains so he had no head left at all. And he still got up. Along with him saying.

"Hurting this mortal shell is pointless, it's only flesh"

"The soul is what drives me"

I think all of what I present is reasonable enough to suggest physical harm means nothing to him and the damned worm is just a good cop out to get rid of the Sentry at the time.

Because unless you think a Worm of the Harkep is an Abstract (not saying you did say that). Then what happened in that comic doesn't make sense based on the Sentry as a character. Given what he can do. I just think Remender wrote himself into a whole and he tried to find a way to escape it.

DarkSaint85
That worm was PIS; a literal Deus Ex Machina lol.

KingD19
The only way to beat a Deus Ex Machina is with a bigger Deus Ex Machina.

carver9
Wasn't it said that the hide of the worm was completely Indestructible? If this is true, iirc, it ate Sentry and I'm sure it would take some time for him to get out of something that is invulnerable. Wouldn't be a low showing imo.

"Id"
Originally posted by tkitna
Bob does have molecular manipulation capabilities though. Can Plutonian deal with that? Not sure.

To an extant Tony was altering reality.

Galan007
Tony endured a melee from Modeus, when she was channeling, and draining, the power of entire starS:
http://i.imgur.com/dXWswAom.jpg http://i.imgur.com/luoSeyrm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3jRI0vAm.jpg
(For every moment the battle lasted, a star was entirely drained, and a star system destroyed as a result.)


Even more impressive is that Tony wasn't even trying to defend himself--he was allowing her to beat on him. However, he could have killed her any time he wanted:
http://i.imgur.com/oAQrVt1m.jpg


IOW, even a being channeling that level of power failed to KO Tony... Even though he wasn't even trying to defend or fight back.

KingD19
And the only thing powerful enough to hold him in the entire universe was a sheath cloned from his own skin or something, right?

Board Walker
Originally posted by KingD19
And the only thing powerful enough to hold him in the entire universe was a sheath cloned from his own skin or something, right?

Which failed when his subconscious psionic desires started to warp the reality of the entire prison/planet/star he was being held on.

Board Walker
Originally posted by Galan007
Tony endured a melee from Modeus, when she was channeling, and draining, the power of entire starS:
http://i.imgur.com/dXWswAom.jpg http://i.imgur.com/luoSeyrm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3jRI0vAm.jpg
(For every moment the battle lasted, a star was entirely drained, and a star system destroyed as a result.)


Even more impressive is that Tony wasn't even trying to defend himself--he was allowing her to beat on him. However, he could have killed her any time he wanted:
http://i.imgur.com/oAQrVt1m.jpg


IOW, even a being channeling that level of power failed to KO Tony... Even though he wasn't even trying to defend or fight back.

Every single one of her punches drained/destroyed an entire star system, and they were fighting at speeds beyond comprehension. The amount of star system busting hits Tony took in an immeasurable amount of time, was at the very least beyond anything Sentry has ever been exposed to.

Tony's durability, speed, and reality/time warping powers are way beyond Death Sentry.

Surtur
Okay he was not taking solar system busting shots. Not exactly. When you take out a star the entire system suffers as a result.

There is also the fact that we've had people with energy powers nowhere near solar system or even planet destroying..royally messing Plutonian up.

ShadowFyre
Well the Plutonian does seem to be pretty powerful though. Sentries power level and abilities are extremely vague and varied. y

Galan007
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay he was not taking solar system busting shots. Not exactly. When you take out a star the entire system suffers as a result.

There is also the fact that we've had people with energy powers nowhere near solar system or even planet destroying..royally messing Plutonian up. The stars being completely drained in that scene resulted in the death of their corresponding star system(s)--without our sun, for example, most life on Earth would die-off very shortly. That is what was happening there.

Tony was enduring punches that were amped by the energy of entire starS, though... And he didn't even bother trying to defend against them. Ridiculously impressive.

"Id"
Tony created a black hole, and flew 3 times the speed of light while he held the damn thing.

KingD19
And Tony was shown evolving over the course of the comic so you can't really count lows as he grew past them.

Galan007
Originally posted by "Id"
Tony created a black hole, and flew 3 times the speed of light while he held the damn thing. Huh? I don't remember Tony creating a black hole..? confused


On another note, I really enjoyed how Waid explained Tony's abilities:
http://i.imgur.com/dPpOroxm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UwmrNuNm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Y6nXyiUm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ipe8tham.jpg

It's very refreshing to have a more logical/scientific breakdown of a character's powerset for once. thumb up

"Id"
Originally posted by Galan007
Huh? I don't remember Tony creating a black hole..? confused


On another note, I really enjoyed how Waid explained Tony's abilities:
http://i.imgur.com/dPpOroxm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UwmrNuNm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Y6nXyiUm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ipe8tham.jpg

It's very refreshing to have a more logical/scientific breakdown of a character's powerset for once. thumb up

In the last two issues. Qubit and Plutonian learn how Bette powers worked, than Tony goes on to create a black hole to be used to absorb the radiation across the planet.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Galan007



http://i.imgur.com/dPpOroxm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UwmrNuNm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Y6nXyiUm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ipe8tham.jpg


confused

I don't get it.

If this Plutonian guy has power like that, couldn't he simply trap Sentry in a net and then make it several times harder than primary Adamantium so he couldn't escape? It would be like Sentry being swallowed by that worm all over again.

Galan007
Originally posted by "Id"
In the last two issues. Qubit and Plutonian learn how Bette powers worked, than Tony goes on to create a black hole to be used to absorb the radiation across the planet. Oh, this:
http://i.imgur.com/oUelE3w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YdybOxx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZsM9VOV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rmyR8Yx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nLCccvn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ir5jOQU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2qr3EIG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YUgrc1V.jpg

It was stated to have the density of a Neutron Star:
http://i.imgur.com/guov743.jpg

What makes the feat even more impressive, however, is that the radiation it emitted was basically the equivalent of Tony's Kryptonite--it weakened him tremendously. Despite that, he still flew around Earth at those speeds, whilst carrying that much weight. For a point of reference: one teaspoon of Neutron Star-material weighs an estimated 5.5×10^12 kg, or ~5.5 billion tons... That is a staggering feat right there.

At any rate, I'm glad I came into this thread. It made me go back and reread Irredeemable... I forgot just how f*cking haxx Tony was. thumb up


Originally posted by bluewaterrider
confused

I don't get it.

If this Plutonian guy has power like that, couldn't he simply trap Sentry in a net and then make it several times harder than primary Adamantium so he couldn't escape? It would be like Sentry being swallowed by that worm all over again. There are a lot of coulds/woulds/shoulds that go along with a character as broken as Tony. You just have to be careful, though, because it's easy to step into the realm of no-limits fallacies when discussing his 'potential'.

"Id"
Yeah thats the scene.


Per Qubit they only had X amount of time (a few minutes something like 4 min...i cant recall the exact amount.)

But Tony needed to circle every square inch of the globe within that time frame, while he held the that black hole.

Its a crazy high feat.

Galan007
Originally posted by "Id"
Yeah thats the scene.


Per Qubit they only had X amount of time (a few minutes something like 4 min...i cant recall the exact amount.)

But Tony needed to circle every square inch of the globe within that time frame, while he held the that black hole.

Its a crazy high feat. They had between 3-4 minutes:
http://i.imgur.com/MG47OEC.jpg

KingD19
And then his potential became so great he was basically evolved into an idea that was hinted to have been the origins of Superman.

Galan007
^ It was more than hinted at, lol.

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