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Who wins?

post-crisis kicks his ass royally.

inb4cornysupermanwinspost

post crisis destroys new superman. faster combat speed, better durability, better striking strength, smarter, sexier, has better neck durabilty, better damage soak etc... the only thing new supes has on pre reboot is lifting strength. thats it.

I question the sexier, and better neck durability parts. But yeah, Post wins.

Im just asking cause I hve yet to see somebody call NU-52 Supes a floppy necked *****.

Post Crisis is still superior imo, but N52 was closing the gap before he got nerfed.

Originally posted by ghostman
inb4cornysupermanwinspost

post crisis destroys new superman. faster combat speed, better durability, better striking strength, smarter, sexier, has better neck durabilty, better damage soak etc... the only thing new supes has on pre reboot is lifting strength. thats it.

This didn't get weird at all.

Too many Superman Incarnations. They should have every Superman from all reality and duke it out.

Split.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Split.

I am, honest post here, interested in seeing carver's post here.

We have seen Abhi's post, and he can be quite....passionate about his love.

Would be interesting to see the other side of the coin. No agendas, no 'Oh, I dunno who's stronger, but here's a scan of XYZ merking him when pre-52 XYZ couldn't' blah blah, just a nice, measured post.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am, honest post here, interested in seeing carver's post here.

We have seen Abhi's post, and he can be quite....passionate about his love.

Would be interesting to see the other side of the coin. No agendas, no 'Oh, I dunno who's stronger, but here's a scan of XYZ merking him when pre-52 XYZ couldn't' blah blah, just a nice, measured post.

You know he's going to argue whatever is needed for him him think Hulk>>>>>Superman at the moment.

But for the record, when I made a topic that involved this, he argued Pre-FLASHPOINT>New 52 on Superman.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=598869

That was over a year ago, though, so maybe his opinion has changed.

New 52 is ridiculously stronger than Pre52, and even faster. Durability is the only thing I'm not sure of

Either way, New 52 Supes crushes his copy's head with two fingers

The only advantage Newperman has is striking.
PC wins decisively.

The only advantage Nuperman has is physical lifting strength. Post Crisis Clark is superior in every other category and kicks his edgy and annoying younger counter part's ass everyday.

There's nothing definitive to suggest either is significantly more powerful than the other.

However, certainly by the latter half of post-Crisis, Superman was consistently shown to be more skilled and experienced than New 52 Superman usually was shown to be, granting him the advantage.

Also, there is a fairly established idea (though not universally accepted) that Superman tends to become more powerful with age, which also supports the idea of Post-C Superman having the edge.

Originally posted by AbelAnderson
The only advantage Newperman has is striking.
PC wins decisively. Originally posted by MightyKalEl
The only advantage Nuperman has is physical lifting strength. Post Crisis Clark is superior in every other category and kicks his edgy and annoying younger counter part's ass everyday. Blatantly false. New 52 Superman is also faster and, having the brain superior to a supercomputer, more intelligent. He also has a big advantage of instantly breaking any of Post Crisis Superman's bones as soon as he grabs him

New52 is a hipster. The entire era is meant to attract hipsters.

Not sure what is worse, SJW Marvel or Hipster New52.

If post Crisis Superman is the Superman "before" New 52, he wins it every single time and here is the reason why...

Originally posted by carver9
Did you read the story? He outright tells us on multiple occasions (questions himself as well) that he is weakened. I'm going to post 2 but I can post more.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111307312/5559204-14.jpg

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111307312/5559205-15.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111307312/5559220-16.jpg

Hell, he outright tells us that he was weakened due to the split... lol. Again, did you even read the book?

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39054392/bz6h5dasu1ry.jpg.html

Abhilegend already debunked that

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Abhilegend already debunked that

What did he say?

Originally posted by carver9
What did he say?


Originally posted by abhilegend
Split.



Now that Carver knows what he said, what's this about Abhi debunking Carver?

Originally posted by carver9
What did he say?

Abhi debunked something ? Nooo.

You showed the right thing, Carver.

Post-crisis Superman has been split into two Supermen by Mr Mxylpkzt which gave us PC Superman weakened and the New 52 version, then they were reunited in Rebirth.

Simple.

New 52 was stronger than Post Crisis from the very beginning. IIRC, the split happened after Flashpoint, so all feats before then were Whole Superman, which means Rebirth Superman is MASSIVELY buffed due to New 52 Superman being so much stronger than Pre-New52 that it's comedy

Originally posted by XLR87T3
New 52 was stronger than Post Crisis from the very beginning. IIRC, the split happened after Flashpoint, so all feats before then were Whole Superman, which means Rebirth Superman is MASSIVELY buffed due to New 52 Superman being so much stronger than Pre-New52 that it's comedy

Prove everything you said with scans.

By the way, this is new 52 during the beginning and remember, you said he started off stronger than Post Crisis Superman so I guess this means Post Crisis Superman was limited to the strength of stopping a train (or you dont know what in the h***you are talking about)...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WCqkHuciB7E/VW4-j0k5GNI/AAAAAAAADtw/kegdQ7xiqfw/s1600/tumblr_ndb2t7jQT61rmydeho1_1280.jpg

I'm talking about the Superman we all know and love, not the edgy Superteen with a T-shirt & jeans. Superman, who did this to a Hal Jordan vastly superior to Post Crisis
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/img_0225.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/img_0227.jpg

Originally posted by XLR87T3
I'm talking about the Superman we all know and love, not the edgy Superteen with a T-shirt & jeans. Superman, who did this to a Hal Jordan vastly superior to Post Crisis
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/img_0225.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/img_0227.jpg

You said he was stronger in the beginning but now you're changing your stance. I'm asking you to show me with scans statements saying New 52 was stronger "from the beginning" (lol) like you said.

Answer this, Post Crisis Superman himself confirmed that he was weaker and it was said that his powers were fluctuating. We then find out that the reason this was happening was due to him being split in half. So when both Superman merged again, why did Superman say he felt WHOLE again (do you know what that mean)? Why didnt he even mention himself as being amped?

Originally posted by carver9
You said he was stronger in the beginning but now you're changing your stance. I'm asking you to show me with scans statements saying New 52 was stronger "from the beginning" (lol) like you said.

Answer this, Post Crisis Superman himself confirmed that he was weaker and it was said that his powers were fluctuating. We then find out that the reason this was happening was due to him being split in half. So when both Superman merged again, why did Superman say he felt WHOLE again (do you know what that mean)? Why didnt he even mention himself as being amped?
Don't try to act cute now.

Originally posted by abhilegend


He was weakened due to Vandal Savage. Jurgens confirmed it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjurgens/status/743479302646177792

And Superman in rebirth was stated to be more powerful than new 52 Superman due to absorbing more power from the sun.

https://s33.postimg.cc/agv13jcln/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't try to act cute now.

Worst post ever. I dont know what that have to do with what I posted. Leave this kind of debating to Philo.

Originally posted by carver9
Worst post ever. I dont know what that have to do with what I posted. Leave this kind of debating to Philo.
ermm

Shut up.

I don't get how this thread has any relevance anymore, with how the Supermen were folded in to each other.

Originally posted by carver9
You said he was stronger in the beginning but now you're changing your stance. I'm asking you to show me with scans statements saying New 52 was stronger "from the beginning" (lol) like you said.

Answer this, Post Crisis Superman himself confirmed that he was weaker and it was said that his powers were fluctuating. We then find out that the reason this was happening was due to him being split in half. So when both Superman merged again, why did Superman say he felt WHOLE again (do you know what that mean)? Why didnt he even mention himself as being amped?
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111278617/5194867-futures+end1.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't get how this thread has any relevance anymore, with how the Supermen were folded in to each other. There needs to be a ruling in the forum rules for this.

This is like the 5th time in the last few weeks that the same discussion takes place, using the same scans.

There's a whole story arc showing they're the same being, that they've been split purposely to get them weaker, and then merging back again, with the Universe shifting to accommodate the split history into one.

It's not rocket science.

Carvey Weinstein sees through all, and he'll be cutting to the bottom of this

Originally posted by XLR87T3
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111278617/5194867-futures+end1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
God Brainiac has multiversal entity, far superior to any other Brainiac in every way possible, and Superman still clocked his socks off

Cant tell jf you're serious.

Jeans and T-shirt Superman is stronger than you think

That was normal Superman in jeans and T shirt. Not Depowered Superman.

And that Brainiac actually reset the whole multiverse. He is as legit multiversal as they come.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Jeans and T-shirt Superman is stronger than you think

Did you read the story?