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if thrawn would have won and he went on to conquer the galaxy, could he have defeated the yuuzhan vong and their vast armies?

remember if you have read the "last command" that he had plans to get rid of the original clone of jorus c'boath and grow new ones that he could control and use to help his forces.

If he had control of the galaxy, yes.

Any unified power could do so- the Vong's plan really heavily involved dividing the galaxy and keeping it from paying proper attention to them, but they cannot take on the full industrial might of the galaxy, be it Empire or Republic.

I wouldn't be surprised if Thrawn got assassinated partway along the way, but unless things really fall apart after that it'd still be the galaxy's win.

how large is the yuuzhan vong's forces compared to everyone else's ?

Thrawn would've had a significant portion if the Empire's assets and perhaps some Chisa ships. He's much more coordinated and skilled then Pellaeon was at the height of then Vong war. He might be caught off guard by an initial attack or two , but he'd eventually figure their tactics out and beat them. The Vong admitted that they would never have beaten Sidious's empire multiple times, even a fraction of it would still will imo

Originally posted by Darth Demenos
how large is the yuuzhan vong's forces compared to everyone else's ?


They're quite large, probably bigger than the galaxy's military at the outset (depending on how militarized things are).


The problem is they have less ability to reinforce themselves and expand and replace casualties, since they have to seize worlds and try and convert them into industrial base mid-war, and they don't have the large recruitment base to replace soldiers.

The longer it goes on, while it may be painful for the galaxy, the worse it is for the Yuuzhan.

Originally posted by carthage
Thrawn would've had a significant portion if the Empire's assets and perhaps some Chisa ships. He's much more coordinated and skilled then Pellaeon was at the height of then Vong war. He might be caught off guard by an initial attack or two , but he'd eventually figure their tactics out and beat them. The Vong admitted that they would never have beaten Sidious's empire multiple times, even a fraction of it would still will imo


The fraction he had didn't have nearly enough forces for the job- even with his skill, it couldn't absorb losses and do the kind of attrition needed, and didn't have the territory to spare to do the 'trade space for time' tactics.

That said, the op posits him having the galaxy, and not just his holdings from the Heir to the Empire trilogy.

Thrawn woukd wreck house.

Yep.. Despite the non use of super weapons of mass destruction or SSD.. They ould have won...

Originally posted by Q99
The fraction he had didn't have nearly enough forces for the job- even with his skill, it couldn't absorb losses and do the kind of attrition needed, and didn't have the territory to spare to do the 'trade space for time' tactics.

That said, the op posits him having the galaxy, and not just his holdings from the Heir to the Empire trilogy.

He has superior knowledge of the Unknown regions, the Vong had trouble finding Zonama Sekot and were plagued by political infighting. Thrawn would lose initially, but as he started to understand more of their tactic's he'd adapt and ultimately destroy their fleets. The Vong only became more tactical towards the last few books of the NJO, counting Thrawn's superior skill in tactics, ability of laying traps, etc I think he should have this.

What do you mean he can't win by Attrition? He was humiliating the NR with constant hit and run tactics?

Originally posted by carthage
He has superior knowledge of the Unknown regions, the Vong had trouble finding Zonama Sekot and were plagued by political infighting. Thrawn would lose initially, but as he started to understand more of their tactic's he'd adapt and ultimately destroy their fleets. The Vong only became more tactical towards the last few books of the NJO, counting Thrawn's superior skill in tactics, ability of laying traps, etc I think he should have this.

What do you mean he can't win by Attrition? He was humiliating the NR with constant hit and run tactics?

The Vong fleets are much bigger than what the NR had at the time, the NR also having to have forces poised in defense of all the other warlords, many of who had very significant forces themselves, there's multiple with SSDs hanging around at that point. Note how a mere 200 dreadnaughts was a major addition to his forces, too. He was a growing threat using cleverness to be dangerous against volume, but a lot of the danger was, if he kept succeeding, more forces would join his banner and he'd expand his fleet, it's not that his fleet was yet that massive. Considering they will be taking heavy losses in the early days- like everyone does- that'll hurt all the more.

You hit the nail on the head with 'Hit and run' tactics. Thrawn was hitting the NR, then running back to his space, and the NR was not massing to invade his space because protecting theirs was more important than trying to eat more territory, and he was pinning them in place with things like the Coruscant attack. On the flip side, the Vong fleet is a largely mobile, largely offensive group. They attack, attack, and attack more, and are willing to trade damage for inflicting damage. Thrawn doesn't have the opportunity to attack from relative safety, if he attacks something important of theirs they'll attack something- or several somethings- back, aiming for important stuff, and he doesn't have much space to trade for time. The Vong will be aiming for his important worlds to try and take him out fast, and to specifically inflict damage to his fleet to limit his ability to launch his attacks.


Thrawn doesn't have enough forces in his empire remnant in the HTTE trilogy- even once he got a hang of their tactics and began dealing disproportional losses, they have enough forces to overwhelm what he has left. It's no good if you're killing several ships for every one of yours lost if the enemy is willing to trade that amount to win.

Heck, for one major thing: The healthy Worldship. Thrawn doesn't have something in his arsenal to take it on effectively, it took a suicide SSD to destroy it and he never had an SSD.


Note also, the Vong had some good tactics themselves and caught the NR by surprise on several occasions, and as was shown, Ackbar was able to blunt Thrawn's success and make him retreat when they fought. Some of the best Vong commanders can likely get some tactical draws.



That's why this needs to be an already-won Thrawn with the full galaxy. Sure, he'll still be outnumbered at first, but by an amount he can overcome.

NB Quality, have in the hand of thrawn advantage over superiority. remember mandalorians...
+We can consider that he was preparing the invasion before Palpatine death and the battle of endor...

And yep thrawn hate SSD.... He think that is a waste of money..

Anyway I think that he would have enough ships to hold the line....