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Prof. T.C McAbe
So folks, I am curious. I don't know each and every char from both companies that has tremendous MMA skills, however, I still remember most of those being up there in the 90ties. If we would rank the top 3, just the top 3, from hype, skills and if you want hyperbole, who would come out on top, without special powers, no HF, no Body reading, Mind reading etc, just good old h2h skills and knowledge.

My ranking would be in Marvel:

1. Wolverine
2. Captain America
3. Taskmaster

DC

1. Karate Kid
2. Batman
3. Lady Shiva

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Comic Book Martial Artist Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists)
Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell, Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, Thanos

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"wink
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Artemis, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Domino, Donatello, Echo, Erik Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Orion, Ozymandias (DC), Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Alpha, Ares (Marvel), Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Cat, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke (GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty (GI Joe), Hercules, Hippolyta, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Lobo, Loki, "Mad Dog" Cain, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Mystique, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Prodigy, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sage, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, Typhoid Mary, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong, Yukio

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists)
Aquaman, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Danielle Moonstar, Deathbird, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jamie Madrox, Joker, Jubilee, Luke Cage, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Nite Owl II, Rorschach, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Strong Guy, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wonder Man, Zauriel

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok we have got ranks for all super heroes in general what about Martial artists. Ok let me suggest a ranking.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"wink
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy


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Very old posts that are not exactly accurate, but I think they at least give us the general idea.

Mindset
Iron Fist

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Very old posts that are not exactly accurate, but I think they at least give us the general idea.

Hm, thanks, nice one. I guess they take powers into account not just pure skills/knowledge?

Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

Vanguard
Originally posted by Mindset
Iron Fist

May have one of the worst costumes in comics.....but yea he's good.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

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StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Hm, thanks, nice one. I guess they take powers into account not just pure skills/knowledge?

Just skills. But abilities like Shiva's body-reading or Tasky's photographic reflexes are included. I guess. Posting the rules post from xmark's thread below.

Thanos is so high only because he "trained" Gamora, but that myth was busted long time ago. His tech did all the work for him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Read Me:

~Criteria~

1. The hierarchy is based on martial arts skill in armed or unarmed close combat. The operative word is skill. This does not mean someone in a lower tier cannot compete or even defeat a character in a higher tier, but considerations should only be made towards showings of skill in their appearances.
2. PIS and CIP should not be taken into consideration. CIS (i.e. characters that are intended to be highly skilled but are never depicted to that extent because of the character's inherent stupidity), may be considered depending on the character, but will be dealt with on an individual basis.
3. The tiers are defined by who is in them. There will necessarily be "low" and "high" characters within a tier, but the idea is to place a character as close to their peers as possible.

~The Top Tier~

1. The Top Tier distinguishes those who can claim title to being among "The Greatest Martial Artists" on their respective Earth, and as such is limited in number.
2. The Top Tier are characters above ~90th percentile of the total hierarchy top tier and under, i.e. Martial Artists of skill equal to or greater than 90% of their peers.
3. There are currently 18 Top Tier slots divided as follows: Marvel (8), DC (8), Independent/Other (2). This is subject to change as the list grows.

~Proposing and Making Changes~

1. Discussion should take place before a change is made. Any proposed change should have the support of at least 2-3 people before any change is made.
2. Changes will be made based on the consensus i.e. a majority vote. Anyone can propose a change and make a case for it - however once the case is made then leave the outcome to the vote. If you can't get support for a proposed change, let it drop unless new material arises to make a new case.
3. The above also applies to new additions to the rankings.
4. If you are casting a vote or proposing a change, please explicitly state as such, so that no one has to guess your intentions.

Vanguard
I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.

Zack M
Karate Kid, duh.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

laughing out loud

You know, uneducated posters could say the same thing about a certain panther character.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.

Just because Logan did much better than BP?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Vanguard
I'm aware of that fight. Thought it was garbage.


Why because Wolverine was better?

Vanguard
I could just as easily post this.

http://s23.postimg.org/hhw3veevv/1149401_17.jpg
image sharing

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Just because Logan did much better than BP?

No.

And that was an insane blood lusted Iron Fist BP fought. Not everything is about Black Panther

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.

What are martial arts?

Next, you're going to say boxers have no fighting skills....

Vanguard
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What are martial arts?.

various sports or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Vanguard
various sports or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo

Mythologizing-of-Asian rubbish. And yes, I get to say that as I'm Asian, before people jump on me.

Worse, the focus on Japan is.....incredibly naive.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
I could just as easily post this.

Just as I could post this.

http://i61.tinypic.com/16kql1v.jpg

Originally posted by Vanguard
No.

And that was an insane blood lusted Iron Fist BP fought. Not everything is about Black Panther

Cool.

Wolverine sparred with an upgraded Danny. Also, fun fact - sans bloodlust, red IF becomes actually weaker than classic...

So yeah, BP got a brain damage from the weakest version of IF who couldn't think straight laughing out loud

Vanguard
That wasn't the weakest version of Iron Fist.

Zack M
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just as I could post this.

http://i61.tinypic.com/16kql1v.jpg



Cool.

Wolverine sparred with an upgraded Danny. Also, fun fact - sans bloodlust, red IF becomes actually weaker than classic...

So yeah, BP got a brain damage from the weakest version of IF who couldn't think straight laughing out loud

thumb up

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
That wasn't the weakest version of Iron Fist.

He had no IF technique limit, but that's it.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
various sports or skills, mainly of Japanese origin, that originated as forms of self-defense or attack, such as judo, karate, and kendo

According to the countless handbooks, Wolverine has mastered every fighting style, much like Captain America. Max stat, 7/7. Higher than Panther's, who is 5/7.

Actual comics show us he's proficient at budō, samurai arts, ninjutsu, kung-fu, krav maga and more. He has even learned a thing or two from alien martial artists...

Blue Area Vet
Not a battle thread. Wouldn't care, but this one sucks.

Genii96
Namor,gambit should be up there too.

carver9
Originally posted by Genii96
Namor,gambit should be up there too.

No!!!

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
According to the countless handbooks, Wolverine has mastered every fighting style, much like Captain America. Max stat, 7/7. Higher than Panther's, who is 5/7.


Okay. But I thought most people preferred actual feats over handbooks.

StiltmanFTW
@Gen, @carv

Namor considered judo primitive. Whether it's just him being ignorant (as always) or having mastered some secret atlantean MAs that make judo looks pitiful is for readers to decide...

Gambit knows savate, and may have been quite formidable back in the day, but nowadays? Not so much.

DarkSaint85
This thread gives me ideas for my next set.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
Okay. But I thought most people preferred actual feats over handbooks.

That's why the second part of my post - you know, the one you edited out - references actual feats smile

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actual comics show us he's proficient at budō, samurai arts, ninjutsu, kung-fu, krav maga and more. He has even learned a thing or two from alien martial artists...

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This thread gives me ideas for my next set.

laughing out loud

You're the best, Lightsinner thumb up

relentless1
Martial Arts isn't some asian concept you nitwits, all fighting combat disciplines are considered martial arts; from Wing Chun to Boxing to Fencing to Muay Thai, they are all Martial Arts

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by relentless1
Martial Arts isn't some asian concept you nitwits, all fighting combat disciplines are considered martial arts; from Wing Chun to Boxing to Fencing to Muay Thai, they are all Martial Arts

Only Vanguard thinks that.

StiltmanFTW
Yeah, but relent likes to bash everyone at once when he gets a chance. Let him. He needs it.

d3vpw17VXcI

long pig
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mythologizing-of-Asian rubbish. And yes, I get to say that as I'm Asian, before people jump on me.

Worse, the focus on Japan is.....incredibly naive.
What kind of Asian are you?

DarkSaint85
I think Batman is long overdue for set.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by long pig
What kind of Asian are you?

A sensation.

StiltmanFTW
T'Charlie considers Shang to be superior to Rand, skill-wise:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113851/3555715-3487832-1353571-shang_chi_respect+(1).jpg

Now we all know how he fared against crazy IF w/ impure chi.

Adamantiumless Logan, not using claws for most of the fight, versus Shang-Chi. The latter gets a cheapshot in at the start, doesn't help him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/29968/981156-shangchi1nx1.jpg

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Vanguard
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only Vanguard thinks that.

No I don't. The definition included sports and other skills.

long pig
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A sensation.
My favorite kind of Asian!!!!

StiltmanFTW
@Van

You did say "mainly", though, that's what pissed people off.

And fun thing is that Logan has actually spent a lot of time in Japan, learning their language, culture and of course martial arts.

Genii96
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Gen, @carv

Namor considered judo primitive. Whether it's just him being ignorant (as always) or having mastered some secret atlantean MAs that make judo looks pitiful is for readers to decide...

Gambit knows savate, and may have been quite formidable back in the day, but nowadays? Not so much.

Namor isn't ignorant at all...on the contrary he seems quite knowledgeable on earthly affairs,and according to the handbooks/his bio,speaks just about every language and he has fought alongside cap for a very long time to compare. I believe cap once called him one of(or was it 'the'?) the best h2h in the 20th century or so,and he has schooled cap in h2h as well.

As for gambit,unless he stopped training,I don't believe he as gotten weaker,he just hasn't had any panel time

Also shouldn't hercules be up there as well?

OT: why the heck is logan so high? He may have learnt several MA styles,but e certainly dosent use them,he just fights like a savage with his claws..cyclops has matched him in h2h several times iirc

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by relentless1
Martial Arts isn't some asian concept you nitwits, all fighting combat disciplines are considered martial arts; from Wing Chun to Boxing to Fencing to Muay Thai, they are all Martial Arts

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DarkSaint85
Why mess with what works?

He has six, foot-long unbreakable claws, which can cut anything he wants...and a HF unparalleled by any other street.

He's making the best use of the weapons he has to hand, no pun intended.

StiltmanFTW
@Gen

Whenever he schools Cap, it's because of his stats advantage. Not skills.

Gambit got destroyed by Cap, humiliated by Bullseye, resorted to New Sun powers against Batroc and Zaran, got stalemated by powerless Blade, hurt his ankles just from jumping off the rooftop (something that never happens to any competent street), etc.

Hercules has experience and the greco-roman wrestling thing, weapons proficiency, but aside from that... not much. Got bested by brainwashed Shaw, despite having the sword that could cut through anything.

Wolverine is placed as high as he should be. Being a berserker fighter doesn't hinder him at all, as explained by Forge.

Also...

Originally posted by Genii96
I believe cap once called him one of(or was it 'the'?) the best h2h in the 20th century or so

Issue number / scan?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Genii96
cyclops has matched him in h2h several times iirc

The only time he did that was when Wolverine was all messed up from encountering Proteus, one of the most powerful mutants, whose reality altering powers were super-effective against Logan because of his animal-keen senses.

Prof. T.C McAbe
@Vanguard
You might disagree but now I am curious to see your top 3.

Vanguard
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
@Vanguard
You might disagree but now I am curious to see your top 3.

You still probably won't like it man. laughing out loud

Marvel and then DC. Or just overall?

relentless1
1. Karate Kid
2. Batman
3. Iron Fist

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Vanguard
You still probably won't like it man. laughing out loud

Marvel and then DC. Or just overall?

Doesn't matter if I like it tbh, it's all about opinions and getting an overview^^.

Seprate Marvel and DC. ^^ Makes this easier.

Vanguard
Marvel

1. Iron Fist
2. Cap
3. Black Panther


DC

1. Karate Kid
2. Cassie
3. Batman

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Vanguard
Marvel

1. Iron Fist
2. Cap
3. Black Panther


DC

1. Karate Kid
2. Cassie
3. Batman

Where's Richard Dragon? :/

Vanguard
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Where's Richard Dragon? :/

Richard didn't make my list bud.

long pig
The most popular martial art in America is wrestling.

relentless1
Originally posted by long pig
The most popular martial art in America is wrestling.

well MMA has wrestling beat by a country mile, as does Boxing.

long pig
Originally posted by relentless1
well MMA has wrestling beat by a country mile, as does Boxing.
Do you know how many million people wrestle in America? I'm talking about amature free/folk style. Not wwe laughing out loud

long pig
I wrestled most of my life and I can attest wrestling it the strongest ma around. Breeds toughness.

relentless1
Originally posted by long pig
I wrestled most of my life and I can attest wrestling it the strongest ma around. Breeds toughness.

I will agree that wrestlers are very strong and tough but boxers have the hardest training regiment of most any sport, wrestling included.

Board Walker
Superman is top 3 for sure

Mindset
Originally posted by long pig
I wrestled most of my life and I can attest wrestling it the strongest ma around. Breeds toughness. Wrestling is for queers, you queer.

Hold me.

long pig
Originally posted by relentless1
I will agree that wrestlers are very strong and tough but boxers have the hardest training regiment of most any sport, wrestling included.
Not a chance.
Wrestlers do everything boxers do but more often, at a higher and harder pace while cutting multiple pounds every week.

Its the hardest ma bar far.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wrestling is for queers, you queer.

Hold me.
Nothing gay about mounting another sweaty man and totally dominating his body.

Mindset
Originally posted by long pig
Not a chance.
Wrestlers do everything boxers do but more often, at a higher and harder pace while cutting multiple pounds every week.

Its the hardest ma bar far.


Nothing gay about mounting another sweaty man and totally dominating his body. The gay part is that you don't penetrate to assert your dominance.

long pig
Originally posted by Mindset
The gay part is that you don't penetrate to assert your dominance.
We don't??

Mindset
Originally posted by long pig
We don't?? thumb up

long pig
We totally do, actually laughing out loud its called an oil check.

Mindset
Originally posted by long pig
We totally do, actually laughing out loud its called an oil check. Do you smell your fingers after?

relentless1
this convo sure took a turn

long pig
Originally posted by Mindset
Do you smell your fingers after?
We pretend to each other that we don't, but we all do.

Q99
Question, how about indie comics?

Magnus Robot Fighter, Snakeeyes, Julia Diggers. There's real badasses out there.

relentless1
Originally posted by Q99
Question, how about indie comics?

Magnus Robot Fighter, Snakeeyes, Julia Diggers. There's real badasses out there.


Goku & Vegeta >>>> any DC or Marvel martial artist

Mindset
Originally posted by relentless1
Goku & Vegeta >>>> any DC or Marvel martial artist Except Iron Fist.

Zack M
Originally posted by Q99
Question, how about indie comics?

Magnus Robot Fighter, Snakeeyes, Julia Diggers. There's real badasses out there.

Val beats them all.

relentless1
Originally posted by Mindset
Except Iron Fist.

haven't seen Dano blow up planets casually

relentless1
and before you say it, I realize that we are talking pure martial arts skill here and Goku is a way better fighter than Iron Fist

Mindset
Originally posted by relentless1
haven't seen Dano blow up planets casually Then you haven't been looking.

Q99
Originally posted by relentless1
Goku & Vegeta >>>> any DC or Marvel martial artist


Well, yea, but that's really getting into the superpowered department.


Heck, at equal power level, I think they'd be pretty definitely outmatched by some, but they have the skill to raise their power and perform a wide variety of superhuman feats.

Adam Grimes
Jesus.

relentless1
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Jesus.

he was a pacifist, his dad did all the nasty work for him

riv6672
Originally posted by Vanguard
Dood stop putting Wolverine so high. He's all hack and slash, he never uses martial arts.
Was thinking the same.
OP was okay DC wise. KK as number ine for sure.

My Marvel'd be Shang Chi, Iron Fist and DD.

ghostman
Originally posted by relentless1
Goku & Vegeta >>>> any DC or Marvel martial artist

lmaoooooooooo

Nibedicus
Goku and Vegeta are aliens with powers, they did not accomplish their "feats" from sheer skill alone.

You want sheer skill? Effin Krillin, man! Short bald midget able to hang with world-busters thru sheer MA skill alone.

carver9
Originally posted by relentless1
Goku & Vegeta >>>> any DC or Marvel martial artist

thumb up

Mindset
Originally posted by carver9
thumb up Fight me, Carver.

carver9
Lol...I won't win though. You have Doom and the fist on your side.

StiltmanFTW
And Rapeman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30183/707439-rapeman800x600.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by riv6672
Was thinking the same.
OP was okay DC wise. KK as number ine for sure.

My Marvel'd be Shang Chi, Iron Fist and DD.

All three got beat by Logan in one way or another stick out tongue

Shang is the master of kung-fu and Danny specializes in the chi-based secret K'un Lun arts, but they lack versatility.

Now Daredevil is versatile.

Blue Area Vet
Spiderman

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Prof. T.C McAbe
DBZ chars MA is mainly focused on increasing their chi and learning new chi attacks, their h2h skills are good but if all would have equal bodies, what this thread is supposed to suggest and no chi amping/blasts and superpowers would be allowed about 90% of the top MA from comics would be above them, imho.

beatboks
Why do so many place Bats so high in DC??

O-sensei has to be better thsn him. He trained Bruce, Ben Turner (Bronze Tiger), Richard Dragon and before crisis retconned it Shiva too.

Senesi (who honestly i often think was some writers cock up and intended to be O-Senei) casually beat Bruce even though he was such an old man he didnt have the stamina or strength to match him for an extended fight.

Bruce has openly stated Shiva has his number (there's a reason he went to her to train him after he got better from Bane braking him).

Turner has matched him at every outing and Turner is shown repeatedly to be below Dragon who Shiva also cinsiders her better.

Bruce is top 7 for DC yes but not top 3, at best he's equal 4 with Turner

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