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Knight of the old republic tom 10 page 16...
Revan have forseen the republic defeat 12 years before the end of the mandalorian war...

What's "tom"?

Originally posted by SunRazer
What's "tom"?

What the hell is "tome a tome"? And "ten degree book" of a series?

I know English isn't your first language, but do try to be more coherent.

He's saying: Tome! A Tome. As in it's a book. A book. Probably something he made up, but that's what I'm getting from this.

He's probably using the flawed translator give him a break kek

AND I AM NOT USING SOME TRANSLATOR GOD DAMMIT.

Tome 10 = Volume 10. O.Know you said it I check what the translator said... I mean the online dictionnary...
Well take a serie of book that happen in chronologichal order the first to came out is the first tome or tome 1. The enxt is tome 2 the third one is tome 3 etc etc etc....

We know what a tome is. We just can't read shit that you're saying.

We all need to give Revanchiste an apology, tbh.

KotOR Comics DH #10, approx. page 16:
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/73/92/12/revan10.jpg

Thank's a lot for your find, buddy. I'll add it to the thread ASAP.

What volume / book / comic number of Dark Horse would I find this in?

LOL yeah. Just found that you were referencing to above. That's not necessarily a RT-worthy feat, but still badass.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

What volume / book / comic number of Dark Horse would I find this in?

I understand revan psychology, to understand teh character abilities, and someone tell me : "ho Darth revan don't use farsight."

I answered that Revan was just one of the ebst seer ever borned, but never over rely ont it, because revan don't want to be over relight on anything, because it would be a weakness, and a perfect being like he want to be, don't own weaknesses...

Actually I have dowloaded the entire comic....

Hum let me see, this right after his encounter with the council...

Ha yhea page 8 to ten... Volume 9.

Revan is such a bad ass... even in small friendly dialogues it have a punch line that make you want to listen resist and bite...

And his tactical use of the farsight heavly suggest he find the tulak hord holocron about ploting and counter ploting... and it would explain the "let the ennemy bite you at your knees when you have an opportunity to beat him in the gut" tactic.

So he found a Tulak hord holocron on Malchor V or Duxn... And mayby an other one about light saber technic... Because Kreia talk about an holocron about Tulak Hord Combat abilities in KotOR II, Revan could have find it in the hand of one of his lacky on Korriban.. But it is not impossible that many Tulak hord holocron were at Malachor V....


And he have post cognition abilities (remember the Mask scenes), and also good telepathic abilities....

Yes lol, that scene was pretty badass:
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/73/92/12/revan11.png


Ah yes true. That is indeed a display of Psychometry.

Revanchiste's last post made more sense than the rest of the others combined.

He knows more about Revan than you do, broski.

That was a compliment, lol.

And you're just mad that you got no support for being a Revan expert.

Someone who speaks French needs to translate all of his posts for him.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And you're just mad that you got no support for being a Revan expert.
What, lol?

And BTW, the person who pulls the "mad" card is generally the person who is mad. mmm

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What, lol?

And BTW, the person who pulls the "mad" card is generally the person who is mad. mmm

I don't have a reason to be mad. You, on the other hand, get angry whenever somebody disputes your Revan knowledge.

What do you mean you don't have a reason to be mad?

You abruptly and suddenly just started attacking me for taking pride in the work I put in a character after I said Revanchiste > you.

It's pretty amusing actually. Please continue (but do so on another topic, because I don't want you to infect this one lol).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What do you mean you don't have a reason to be mad?

You abruptly and suddenly just started attacking me for taking pride in the work I put in a character after I said Revanchiste > you.

It's pretty amusing actually. Please continue (but do so on another topic, because I don't want you to infect this one lol).

Not really, I was (jokingly) teasing you at first and you took it seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUl4e3yQDg

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Someone who speaks French needs to translate all of his posts for him.

Someone like me. XD.

I Remember when I said Revan on the topic about "who possess some psychometry" Everybody was Jerk off not Revan again..
But I'm not trolling Revan is good in every domain ! He is a no weakness guy, he don't want to over rely on a single power or skill, orsomeone, or any tool.... Not matter how great it is.... It cause him to diverse his arsenal. This dude is a real champion..He win the olympics and chess matches.... And again Malak betrayal of Revan = Vader betrayal of sidious = Order 66 = Tulak'hord lacky's betraying him = Nihilus and Sion betrayal of the master of the betrayal.... It is this element of "suprise mother focker, ha you did not see that one comming don't you?" That is so efefctive against force sensitives over relying of their 6th sens or farsight...

Wao, 20 and 21 confirm that revan is a very knowledge hungry psycho... I mean really... Good for him it give him some motivation for finding the psychics bombs, because I have a theory about Revan fouding sith academmy everywhere...
I still believe that Revan wanted to grow his power to face vitiate or his guard.... And search a way to craft a spell that could kill Vitiate... And the student had for trial to retrieve some sith knowledge (Holocrons) by any meaning and bring it back to the master... Like you have to do in KotOR I... I read on a website that Revan was the first to begin the restauration of the sith ruins of Korriban for the preservation of the knowledge and then build the sith academmy to scavange the aera... But It turn that Revan during his pseudo Redemption killed the lead of the academmy, so every studdent turned into power hungry psycho backstabbing each other for the holocron scanvenge half of the planet and then leave the planet empty of sith knowledge... (According to Kreia from KotOR II...)

That's why I believe that later sith Generation are weaker than Revan. Because most of the knowledge from this era is lost.. revan is the last great Dark lord of the sith fully instructed...



Sun razer Had fallen very low...

lmfao

Anyway, how much reference is there to Revan in post-SOR content?

None kek

He hasn't really been relevant to the story. It's mostly been about why we should care Lana and Theron still are.

I'm loving this new Empire of Zakuul tbh

Why? I mean I get that it's an utopia or some nonsense, but still.

@Revanchiste: All interesting theories. I agree with some of it.

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/17/73/92/12/revang10.jpg
http://images.christianpost.com/full/59295/the-bible-jesus-and-disciples.jpg
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http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/Valoo834/Revanchrist.jpg

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Revanchiste: All interesting theories. I agree with some of it.

It have been some longue ass research base on analysis made by other theorist who have been in contact with the material...
And now I have the material....
But anyway I have so much quote to refind... I was going to proove all of my theories...

Still I think Revan is not just a shien niman specialist, I still think he is an unorthodox fighter that made a fighting technic "make it simple stupid" base on someelaborated moove set from every form, using his force talent to the mix... I still think that Revan can bullet time super sonic target with his force speed, remember that in French force speed is name "acceleration physique et mentale", and that's what he did with vitiate... + It we fllow my theory of never over rely on anything Revan should adapt himself depending of his surhounding, in close quarter combat against multiple Jedi or sith, with nowhere to Run he would adopt a I use my insane preco to pare then My incredible bullet time to counter attack with deep rpecision, for blazing through non force sensitive he use ataru and shien mooves more often.... But Niman is for revan a way to paly form 0... because it is more economic and faster... In a serious duel I think That Revan would anlys his adversaire and fine the best way to apply his force skill and find the best moove set...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc37tR6Riao

Koth fighting style description...

"Anyway, how much reference is there to Revan in post-SOR content?"

SoR RevanS can burn in hell. Both of them...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
It have been some longue ass research base on analysis made by other theorist who have been in contact with the material...
Care to link to other people who makes Revan analysis', lol?

It's a utopia that happens to all of a sudden house a fleet more powerful than the Republic and Sith Empire, something about an ancient warship, yadda yadda.

All of a sudden? It's been there for millennia.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
All of a sudden? It's been there for millennia.

Not the powerful fleet. It was a backwater planet full of savages before Vitiate came there.
I'd like to know exactly why Vitiate tried to create another Empire while he already had one going.

Because that isn't just an Empire. It's a Sith Empire, and he's tired of being a Sith. He only went there for the fleet and to create a culture to his liking. So yeah, and the fleet has always been there, it's the entire reason he went to Zakuul.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Care to link to other people who makes Revan analysis', lol? Revan or Tulak hord analyysis or ancient sith lord knowledge in general...

I was talking with wokipedia and holonet member, + this website :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/TimeLine.html

Originally posted by psmith81992
I'd like to know exactly why Vitiate tried to create another Empire while he already had one going.
Here:

Valkorion is an ancient Sith entity with the power to possess and control the bodies of others, using them as puppets to enforce his will on the galaxy. The Immortal Emperor is his latest mask and Zakuul his greatest, most ambitious endeavor: an idealistic playground where he can shed his past and experience a new life unburdened by archaic Sith teachings. A manipulative survivor, Valkorion pinpoints the weaknesses of both friends and enemies alike, twisting them to serve his purpose. He believes the entire galaxy is his to shape and will stop at nothing to reach his goals.

I wonder what it is he thinks that makes the sith teachings weak and archaic. Or rather, what his ideal empire is. Complete and utter servitude ala Palpatine and the citizens of Byss?

Originally posted by psmith81992
I wonder what it is he thinks that makes the sith teachings weak and archaic. Or rather, what his ideal empire is. Complete and utter servitude ala Palpatine and the citizens of Byss?


Exactly son.. Bioth are Dark side incarnated.... and Vitiate is possesed by an entity... Because eh have embrase teh dark side to deeply...

Originally posted by psmith81992
I wonder what it is he thinks that makes the sith teachings weak and archaic. Or rather, what his ideal empire is. Complete and utter servitude ala Palpatine and the citizens of Byss?

Yes, Sith care about things that aren't him. Obviously unacceptable.

Except they didn't. They practically worshiped him.

Except Vitiate had to keep the DC fighting among themselves to keep them busy and avoid being overthrown. As much as his will was absolute, he wasn't literally worshipped(excluding his personal cult) in the Sith Empire.

Yeah he was. This isn't about the Dark Council, this is about the plebs they all rule over, which includes a vast majority of the Sith Empire. "Live for the Emperor, die for the Emperor." is a legit saying and they take it pretty seriously.

Obvioulsy, the difference between his two empires isn't huge but in his first Empire, the people followed him under the banner of Sith. At the end of the day, his will was absolute because he represented the embodiment of that culture since he was the most powerful one amongst them by far. This however, still means that they cared about other things as well and not just the Emperor. In his new Empire, people appear to be more directly devoted to him than an alignment of the Force.

Nah, it's just dumb, because the people in Zakuul cared about things other than Valkorion before he got there, and look how that ended in matter of a few centuries. I find it extremely hard to believe that if he wanted to, Valkorion couldn't reshape the remnant Sith Empire in over a thousand years.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except they didn't. They practically worshiped him.

Except hardly anyone gave a shit when he died. Sith are motivated largely by self-interest. A lot of them followed him purely because they fear him and know their place. This is something fundamental about the Sith, they are power-hungry sociopaths who put their personal agenda's above that of the Empire.

Hardly anyone cared, yep. Which is definitely why they kept it a secret. And duct day, "They were trying to hide it from the Republic," as to why that is. The Republic obviously knew.

They kept it a secret because "this one Jedi massacred her way into the Imperial capital and killed the Emperor in a duel" would likely be pretty demoralising. Marr even says that Vitiate wasn't well liked and no-one will miss him.

Freshest, you have to be blind to not see the difference in the way his people approach him in his new Empire.

I was unaware you played the expansion to know how the people in Zakuul treat him, Sinious. Blind devotion is something the Sith Empire did, and something that Marr was critical of before the Emperor went Stupid Evil.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They kept it a secret because "this one Jedi massacred her way into the Imperial capital and killed the Emperor in a duel" would likely be pretty demoralising. Marr even says that Vitiate wasn't well liked and no-one will miss him.
Again, why would they need to say that when they could just say, "The Emperor is dead." you know kind of like the how the Republic did. Because the story of, "One Jedi Knight and his band of friends" is told to like five people. And Marr didn't say Vitiate wasn't liked. He said no one would miss an Emperor that abandoned them, a statement that obviously isn't true given the vastly outnumbering accounts of people who literally worship Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, Sith care about things that aren't him. Obviously unacceptable.

Well how do they plot then????

Hum pretty astonishing Revan with the rule of two revivied his mortal ennemy...

Acknowledging that the Emperor had been killed would have been a blow to morale no matter what they said, as it demonstrates the strength of the Jedi and Republic to be capable of killing even the godlike Emperor. Satele says that it was a Jedi strike team.

Vitiate had a few cults but the majority of Sith don't give two shits about his glory. Sith are almost always in it for themselves. Even barring Vitiate himself, the Sith are plagued by infighting. Which was why they were losing to the Republic. Its easy to see why Vitiate would regard the order as flawed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Acknowledging that the Emperor had been killed would have been a blow to morale no matter what they said, as it demonstrates the strength of the Jedi and Republic to be capable of killing even the godlike Emperor. Satele says that it was a Jedi strike team.

Apparently they don't care though, so not seeing the problem that the Emperor can be killed when a Republic fleet suddenly attacks the seat of the Empire. That should be the biggest blow to moral. Unless you're ready to admit they actually do care. That works too.

Which is contradictory to what you just said above. Why do the vast majority of Sith and Imperial citizens show respect when it's do, but also not care at all? Unless they do care, and while they may fight amongst themselves, they obviously realize that Vitaite is far above them that fighting to attain that is pointless. Vitiate isn't just an Emperor, he's a symbol of the Empire, which is why Scourge and the Wrath are also seen as important because they're supposed to personify the Emperor's will, along with a few other select people. But nah, I'm sure they teach the kids on Dromund Kaas about how they'll all be Emperor one day. Seems pretty legit.

They care in that he's monstrously powerful and in charge of everything. He's the absolute authority in the Empire. So they fear and obey him and his agents and him getting taken out is a pretty seriously bad thing for the Empire.

They don't care in that few Sith hold real loyalty to him and wouldn't put his interests above their own without the fear of reprisal. Marr clearly doesn't have much loyalty to the Emperor, but he still refused to risk offending him when the Wrath challenged Baras. The Sith don't "worship" him or any crap like that and I'm pretty sure most Sith do dream of displacing him because that's how the megalomaniacal lunatics think.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I was unaware you played the expansion to know how the people in Zakuul treat him, Sinious. Blind devotion is something the Sith Empire did, and something that Marr was critical of before the Emperor went Stupid Evil.
The Old Ways of Zakuul: Before Valkorion's rise to power, Zakuul was a backwater planet in Wild Space with almost no contact with the rest of the galaxy. Forced to settle in bogs and swamps, early Zakuulans were a superstitious, nihilistic people who worshipped a pantheon of ruthless gods. These deities expressed their power through the pain and suffering of their followers. The pantheon's father was Izax, the god of death and the Ultimate Devourer. The ancient Zakuulans believed their fate was tied to the will of the gods and belonged to Izax. Those who challenged this view were considered demons. While most Demons were outcasts and expelled from society, a prophecy emerged claiming that one would climb beyond Izax's reach--an immortal god of gods who would topple the pantheon and usher in a new age for Zakuul. Claiming to be the Demon Savior of prophecy, Valkorion began his campaign against the Old Ways.

So an in universe peace of propaganda is your support? Because I'm pretty sure Vitiate has one just like it.

You miss the point yet again.

Originally posted by Sinious
The Old Ways of Zakuul: Before Valkorion's rise to power, Zakuul was a backwater planet in Wild Space with almost no contact with the rest of the galaxy. Forced to settle in bogs and swamps, early Zakuulans were a superstitious, nihilistic people who worshipped a pantheon of ruthless gods. These deities expressed their power through the pain and suffering of their followers. The pantheon's father was Izax, the god of death and the Ultimate Devourer. The ancient Zakuulans believed their fate was tied to the will of the gods and belonged to Izax. Those who challenged this view were considered demons. While most Demons were outcasts and expelled from society, a prophecy emerged claiming that one would climb beyond Izax's reach--an immortal god of gods who would topple the pantheon and usher in a new age for Zakuul. Claiming to be the Demon Savior of prophecy, Valkorion began his campaign against the Old Ways.

....This sounds more like strict fantasy, something you'd find in games set in the dark ages...not sci-fi fantasy. Jeez I'm glad the game became Legends before this, because the writers are just pulling out whatever now..

Don't forget VITIATE decided to start banging human women.

I'd really like to forget that actually.

Originally posted by Sinious
You miss the point yet again.
Then please, do explain what the point is. I can get a codex entry that talks about how Vitiate is the shit as well. How does that how a fundamental difference that requires Vitiate to start a totally new Empire? What is the difference between this devotion and that devotion? Codices are written by people in universes and are subject to in universe scrutiny.

It's just amazing that vitiate spent centuries building up two empires simultaneously.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Don't forget VITIATE decided to start banging human women.

There is my theory about Revan might being Vitiate son.. revan grewup in the outer rim, but was born in the unknow Regions... And obsidian never give free info...

It mean revan have sith blood... And could mean Vitiate blood..

"My master have a plan for defeating the mandalorian...."

Alek say this at Flashpoint station I think.. So early on before the discovery of the cathar genocide...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
There is my theory about Revan might being Vitiate son.. revan grewup in the outer rim, but was born in the unknow Regions... And obsidian never give free info...

It mean revan have sith blood... And could mean Vitiate blood.. Holy s***

Revanchiste, you are a treasure.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
There is my theory about Revan might being Vitiate son.. revan grewup in the outer rim, but was born in the unknow Regions... And obsidian never give free info...

It mean revan have sith blood... And could mean Vitiate blood..

I.... I erm.... dammit.... just...dammit.... my soul pains me now. *Goes off to search for a bottle of Advil*

There is high probability that Aren Kae alias Kreia is an infiltrator.... (Du to her unothodox teaching)
She was to me sent to educate Revan... And that would explain her deny of knowing who Revan parents are in KotOR II.

It would explain why Vitiate give Revan so much ressources for finding the star forge, just this to a mere brainwashed puppet...

Need mroe evidence????

Originally posted by Revanchiste

Need mroe evidence???? No, I'm convinced.

I might be done with #SWTOR...

Freshest don't quit

Originally posted by Sinious
No, I'm convinced.

No troll....?? For sure???

Good 6 month ago I told you the same thing you were Rofl...

He's being sarcastic, son.

You shouldn't have tried to pick on the French kid. That's my thing.

I'm actually against picking on him. This theory of his was just too good to ignore.

Lmfao.


Also, what did Revan plan to do when he activated his army that kills anyone with Sith genes?

IIRC HK said him and Revan would fight along with his droids on the battlefield and "conqueror enemies planet by planet."

That would be kind of hard given Revan's obvious Sith ancestry, though. Hmmm.

Oh I get what you mean, kek. Pretty sure Revanchiste ignores SWTOR stuff though.

You know, I pretend to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you really are a next level kind of dumb.

Ant or me????


Humhumhum..