Silver Surfer vs Superman w/stips

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Insane Titan
Both can only use energy/blast power.

Flight is allowed too

Who wins

abhilegend
Split.

JBL
Surfer 10/10 with ease LMAO at the notion of superman splitting with surfer using heat vision against one of the biggest energy blaster in space.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer 10/10 with ease LMAO at the notion of superman splitting with surfer using heat vision against one of the biggest energy blaster in space. Superman's hv can greatly damage Surfer. Go through him like a hot knife through butter if Superman didn't hold back.

Mindship
Surfer.

Just like you don't brawl with Superman or Hulk, you don't do the energy thing with...
Originally posted by JBL
...one of the biggest energy blasters in space.

Genii96
Energy blast only? Surfer shitstomps

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer 10/10 with ease LMAO at the notion of superman splitting with surfer using heat vision against one of the biggest energy blaster in space. Originally posted by Genii96
Energy blast only? Surfer shitstomps

Why don't both of you put your money where your mouth is and post the feats where Surfer has better energy projection than Superman or takes energy attacks as well as Superman.

Surfer doesn't has what it takes to beat Superman via energy blasts.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mindship
Surfer.

Just like you don't brawl with Superman or Hulk, you don't do the energy thing with...
Yeah, like Superman doesn't has one of the most devastating attacks on blasting power.

HV cuts through heralds like a hot knife through butter.

Surfer doesn't has that kind of firepower.

abhilegend
But as Surfer fans are do eager to match space cheese feats, here is one to match. Superman moves Krypton under a red sun by powering engines through HV.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG15.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG16.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG17.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG18.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG19-20.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG21.jpg.html

And Krypton is ****ing huge. It dwarf Jupiter actually.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_BIRTHRIGHT6-PG16.jpg.html

Surfer maxed at moving a moon. He had to actually use more power than ever to move a moon.

http://postimg.org/image/p7ajs6yrf/
http://postimg.org/image/rd4ump27v/

laughing out loud

JBL
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't both of you put your money where your mouth is and post the feats where Surfer has better energy projection than Superman or takes energy attacks as well as Superman.

Surfer doesn't has what it takes to beat Superman via energy blasts. Any surfer fan would wipe the floor with you and your over hyped scans and context ignoring thinking.

burrrrrr
This is complete spite. Superman has 0 chance under these conditions.

Surfer wins 1000/1000

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
Any surfer fan would wipe the floor with you and your over hyped scans and context ignoring thinking.
Then why don't you start?

And what out of context scans BTW?

abhilegend
Originally posted by burrrrrr
This is complete spite. Superman has 0 chance under these conditions.

Surfer wins 1000/1000
laughing out loud

Why does he has 0 chances?

carver9
Sigh*...Surfer stomps with ease.

abhilegend
Oh KMC, never disappoint. Originally posted by carver9
Sigh*...Surfer stomps with ease.
laughing out loud

burrrrrr
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Why does he has 0 chances?

Heat vision will never hurt Silver Surfer. It could, at best, knock him over.

Surfer's blasts will hurt Superman. Superman won't get one-shot but he will go down eventually.

This is not a fair fight, at all.

abhilegend
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Heat vision will never hurt Silver Surfer. It could, at best, knock him over.

Surfer's blasts will hurt Superman. Superman won't get one-shot but he will go down eventually.

This is not a fair fight, at all.
And why would it never hurt Surfer?

Firelord has hurt and even temporarily koed Surfer with heat attacks just fine.

h1a8

h1a8
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Heat vision will never hurt Silver Surfer. It could, at best, knock him over.

Surfer's blasts will hurt Superman. Superman won't get one-shot but he will go down eventually.

This is not a fair fight, at all.

Why won't it hurt Surfer? Because you think the hv is as hot as a star and Surfer can fly through stars without being damaged? If so then you are mistaken. The hv is far hotter than the core of a star, so hot that it can penetrate, like a hot knife through butter, high herald level beings that can survived inside stars without any damage (just like Surfer).

But here is some feats for you since you believe the hv won't hurt Surfer.


Can match absolute zero and thus must reach planck temperature of 1.41 x 10^32K

AOE a planet

Hotter than any measurement man can make. Man can create and measure temperatures thousands of time hotter than the sun.

Hotter than the pit of Hades. Starts to melt D.C. Thor's axe

So hot it can repair reality. Out does Astroforce. Can output enough energy to move a planet more massive than Jupiter


Can cut through high herald level beings like a hot knife through butter

So lol to Surfer being able to survive a star's hv as proof he won't be damaged by hv.

JBL
Your scans do not match your words. Surfer 10/10 with ease. Next it will be said that superman can match or exceed thors hammer output if not already tried.

Surtur
Some of the feats just aren't quantifiable. How hot is the pit of Hades supposed to be? I also thought he was sundipped when he did the AoE planet hv?

Nibedicus
edit.

Surfer wins! :-p

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
Your scans do not match your words. Surfer 10/10 with ease. Next it will be said that superman can match or exceed thors hammer output if not already tried. Are you trolling me? Name which scan did not match my words. I just single proved that Superman's hv is far hotter than a star and shown it penetrating beings with the exact same feats as Surfer going inside stars.

So that I'm sure that you are not trolling me. Show or name a feat where Surfer tanked something far hotter than a star.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by abhilegend
But as Surfer fans are do eager to match space cheese feats, here is one to match. Superman moves Krypton under a red sun by powering engines through HV.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG15.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG16.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG17.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG18.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG19-20.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG21.jpg.html

And Krypton is ****ing huge. It dwarf Jupiter actually.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_BIRTHRIGHT6-PG16.jpg.html

Surfer maxed at moving a moon. He had to actually use more power than ever to move a moon.

http://postimg.org/image/p7ajs6yrf/
http://postimg.org/image/rd4ump27v/

laughing out loud

Well, if we're using "powering engines" kinda "feats", a more direct comparison would be keeping a planet "bigger than any 4 planets combined" from crumbling by powering it.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-003-007.jpg.html

As a scope of how massive the Impericon is, it was so big that it had suites that had moons.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-001-012.jpg.html

IMO, It's a more apples to apples comparison.

h1a8
Originally posted by Surtur
Some of the feats just aren't quantifiable. How hot is the pit of Hades supposed to be? I also thought he was sundipped when he did the AoE planet hv? correct. But those feats just gives us a benefit of the doubt that the hv is potent enough to harm Herald level beings. Especially able to melt a magical Herald level beings weapon. The quantifiable ones are enough to prove that Superman wins.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, if we're using "powering engines" kinda "feats", a more direct comparison would be keeping a planet "bigger than any 4 planets combined" from crumbling by powering it.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-003-007.jpg.html

As a scope of how massive the Impericon is, it was so big that it had suites that had moons.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-001-012.jpg.html

IMO, It's a more apples to apples comparison.
He powered the planet. Not moved it. Superman moved the planet under his own power.

Under the same writer he explicitly stated that to move the moon he has to push harder than ever.

Superman powered the miracle machine and then helped move the ****ing multiverse outside Darkseid's black hole along with the supermen of multiverse and GLs.

uhuh

Nibedicus
Originally posted by abhilegend
He powered the planet. Not moved it. Superman moved the planet under his own power.

Under the same writer he explicitly stated that to move the moon he has to push harder than ever.

Surfer pushing the moon was him not using an outside engine/machine to accomplish it. And he's not really known for pushing things.

A more apples-to-apples depiction (if we base it on the "feat" you posted) of the power levels of the energy they generate would be with regards to what the machines they powered managed to accomplish with the energy they gave it.

Although, honestly, I don't know how this really determines who would win in an energy blast fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman powered the miracle machine and then helped move the ****ing multiverse outside Darkseid's black hole along with the supermen of multiverse and GLs.

Uh huh.... uhuh

See very last sentence above.

Also, aren't fights like this supposed to be about current versions of said characters? Shouldn't this be DCNU Superman vs Surfer? Are the above DCNU "feats"?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Surfer pushing the moon was him not using an outside engine/machine to accomplish it. And he's not really known for pushing things.


Those machines didn't help Superman. It was all his own power.

Under a red sun to boot.

You are once again trying to obfuscate a simple showing. How do the engines generate more power than what they received? When the comic never suggested it?

Because by space cheese or against characters Superman trumps Surfer.
sneer



Might be. OP never specified which version it is.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by abhilegend
1) Those machines didn't help Superman. It was all his own power.

Under a red sun to boot.

2) You are once again trying to obfuscate a simple showing. How do the engines generate more power than what they received? When the comic never suggested it?

3) Because by space cheese or against characters Superman trumps Surfer.
sneer

4) Might be. OP never specified which version it is.

1) Who said that it wasn't his own power?

What I said is that, based on your own words, he POWERED an engine to accomplish said "feat". The same way Surfer POWERED a machine to accomplish his. Apples to apples.

2) When did I say that engines generate more power than they receive? Or anything of the kind? You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying...

3) Debatable. That's for the others here to argue, tho. I'm just here to state that a closer comparison to the "feat" you posted would be the one I mentioned.

4) Thought it was always "most current" unamped version. Although the MU reboot kinda confuses things a bit. Eh, that's why I don't really come here often, too many changes in comics happening to keep track of.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Who said that it wasn't his own power?

What I said is that, based on your own words, he POWERED an engine to accomplish said "feat". The same way Surfer POWERED a machine to accomplish his. Apples to apples.


Superman moved the planet. Surfer didn't.

No, it doesn't. Surfer powers the planet. Not moved it.

Shame.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman moved the planet. Surfer didn't.

No, it doesn't. Surfer powers the planet. Not moved it.

Shame.

Both examples are essentially their energy used to power machines/engines to accomplish something.

It's just then left to argue what would take more energy, moving a planet or keeping a planet together. But as it is, it is quantifiably apples-to-apples.

abhilegend
But what they achieved us far different.

No, it isn't.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by abhilegend
But what they achieved us far different.

No, it isn't.

Which can then be quantified.

But they were achieved using the similar means making it apples-to-apples.

Essentially:

Power->Machine/Engine->feat

Silent Master
Surfer wins.

burrrrrr
Originally posted by h1a8
Why won't it hurt Surfer? Because you think the hv is as hot as a star and Surfer can fly through stars without being damaged? If so then you are mistaken. The hv is far hotter than the core of a star, so hot that it can penetrate, like a hot knife through butter, high herald level beings that can survived inside stars without any damage (just like Surfer).

But here is some feats for you since you believe the hv won't hurt Surfer.


Can match absolute zero and thus must reach planck temperature of 1.41 x 10^32K

AOE a planet

Hotter than any measurement man can make. Man can create and measure temperatures thousands of time hotter than the sun.

Hotter than the pit of Hades. Starts to melt D.C. Thor's axe

So hot it can repair reality. Out does Astroforce. Can output enough energy to move a planet more massive than Jupiter


Can cut through high herald level beings like a hot knife through butter

So lol to Surfer being able to survive a star's hv as proof he won't be damaged by hv.



Not one thing here even remotely suggests that HV will go through Silver Surfer "like a hot knife through butter."


Under these stips, once again, Silver Surfer wins easily every time.

burrrrrr
Originally posted by abhilegend
And why would it never hurt Surfer?

Firelord has hurt and even temporarily koed Surfer with heat attacks just fine.

Firelord was able to hurt Silver Surfer with Power Cosmic attacks? Cool...

h1a8
Originally posted by Silent Master
Surfer wins.

Superman's hv can match absolute zero which means it can reach planck temperature of 1.41 x 10^32K. This is hotter than anything in the universe. This is the ultimate feat, Unless you think that Captain's cold freeze ray wasn't absolute zero.
http://i57.tinypic.com/b64lqq.jpg


AOE an entire planet. This shows that Superman can do AOE attacks.
http://i62.tinypic.com/14aabzc.jpg

So hot that man has no instruments to measure it. Man can create lasers and other things and measure then to thousands of time hotter than the sun with ease. So Superman's hv is far hotter than anything man can create.
http://i57.tinypic.com/fzckg7.jpg

Hotter than the pit of Hades. Starts to melt D.C. Thor's axe. Even though we don't have many feats of this Thor and his weapon we can at least assume that it is far more durable than conventional man made alloys, especially with that Thor being strong enough to affect Superman.
http://i59.tinypic.com/fy22pv.jpg

So hot it can repair reality.
http://i62.tinypic.com/s6hnat.jpg

Can output enough energy to move a planet more massive than Jupiter.
http://i60.tinypic.com/ny8h39.jpg

Now for the one important (non space cheese) feat that proves Superman wins. Superman can survive inside a star (just like Surfer) and become more powerful. So many would argue that the feat doesn't count since the star powers Superman and it isn't his durability that actually protects him. Well Superman has also survived inside a giant red star (a star that doesn't give him powers but takes it away) without any damage whatsoever. Yet HV is shown able to pierce him like a hot knife through butter. So if Surfer's best feat of resisting heat is going through a star then this feat below PROVES that Superman's hv will go through him like a hot knife through butter if Superman decides to turn it on and let loose.
http://i62.tinypic.com/2affyc7.jpg

What are Surfer's best blast feats against high herald level beings?
What are his best space cheese feats?
Do they compare? I know a lot of Surfer's feats but I'll be open to any Surfer fan to post feats that compare or exceed the feats I posted. Let's debate without trolling (saying Superman or Surfer wins while ignoring proof from the other character because we like the character better).

panthergod
Originally posted by Silent Master
Surfer wins.

Prove it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Firelord was able to hurt Silver Surfer with Power Cosmic attacks? Cool...
So? Does power cosmic makes his attacks somehow hotter and more powerful?

Mindset
Originally posted by abhilegend
So? Does power cosmic makes his attacks somehow hotter and more powerful? Yes.

h1a8
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Not one thing here even remotely suggests that HV will go through Silver Surfer "like a hot knife through butter."


Under these stips, once again, Silver Surfer wins easily every time. wow, so you are ignoring on panel evidence. I just showed Superman hv doing stuff beyond anything Surfer has tanked. And Superman still can't hurt him? I just proved that if hv can go through a being with greater durability feats like a hot knife though butter then it can surfer.
Stop trolling and debate by rebutting the evidence by providing counter evidence and not just ignoring evidence. If you have any feats by Surfer to prove he can withstand temperatures thousands of times hotter than a star (not even Planck temperature) then please do so.

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
wow, so you are ignoring on panel evidence. I just showed Superman hv doing stuff beyond anything Surfer has tanked. And Superman still can't hurt him? I just proved that if hv can go through a being with greater durability feats like a hot knife though butter then it can surfer.
Stop trolling and debate by rebutting the evidence by providing counter evidence and not just ignoring evidence. If you have any feats by Surfer to prove he can withstand temperatures thousands of times hotter than a star (not even Planck temperature) then please do so. THousands of times hotter than a star???? And you actually want someone to waste their time trying to debate you with all your outlandish statements about superman?

burrrrrr
Originally posted by h1a8
wow, so you are ignoring on panel evidence. I just showed Superman hv doing stuff beyond anything Surfer has tanked. And Superman still can't hurt him? I just proved that if hv can go through a being with greater durability feats like a hot knife though butter then it can surfer.
Stop trolling and debate by rebutting the evidence by providing counter evidence and not just ignoring evidence. If you have any feats by Surfer to prove he can withstand temperatures thousands of times hotter than a star (not even Planck temperature) then please do so.

Well, you are the trolling expert.

HV'ing the absolute 0 freeze ray would be the ultimate feat IRL; not so much in a comic. Is Captain Cold's gun supposed to be some sort of skyfather level weapon now?

HV thousands of times hotter than the sun? Huge reach there. I say BS

HV Repairing a rip in reality and being hotter than the pits of Hades. What do these things even mean or matter in the scenario?

Area of effect HV and melting Thor's axe. Meh

Moving a planet. Meh

I know that arguing with you about anything Superman-related is a massive waste of time but I figured I'd respond since you took the time to post those scans. I Didn't, nor have I ever, seen a single thing that suggests that HEAT vision can burn though Silver Surfer like a hot knife through butter.

Surfer wins 10/10

Agree to disagree.

One-Punch
As usual h1 has no idea what he's talking about:

That heating the planet feat was a sundipped Superman.

That repairing the rip in reality feat was when Superman and Orion had their size altered to abstract sizes via the Boomtube. They were so big that planets were literally the size of "specks" of dust, and Superman said at his normal size he'd be a microbe.

Also none of H1's scans show Superman's HV cutting through high heralds like butter, lol.

abhilegend
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Well, you are the trolling expert.

HV'ing the absolute 0 freeze ray would be the ultimate feat IRL; not so much in a comic. Is Captain Cold's gun supposed to be some sort of skyfather level weapon now?

HV thousands of times hotter than the sun? Huge reach there. I say BS

HV Repairing a rip in reality and being hotter than the pits of Hades. What do these things even mean or matter in the scenario?

Area of effect HV and melting Thor's axe. Meh

Moving a planet. Meh

I know that arguing with you about anything Superman-related is a massive waste of time but I figured I'd respond since you took the time to post those scans. I Didn't, nor have I ever, seen a single thing that suggests that HEAT vision can burn though Silver Surfer like a hot knife through butter.

Surfer wins 10/10

Agree to disagree.
Haha, every feat from Superman is Meh?

Every feat from Surfer is Meh.


Superman wins 10/10.

Agree to disagree.

thumb up

carver9
If Surfer can't win a blasting fight against Superman then an all out fight, Superman should slaughter him 10/10. Don't get it. Blasting is Surfers game. It's what he does. How can he not beat a Herald in a battle like this. Superman is either trans tier...high trans or he is getting wanked like hell here.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
As usual h1 has no idea what he's talking about:

That heating the planet feat was a sundipped Superman.

That repairing the rip in reality feat was when Superman and Orion had their size altered to abstract sizes via the Boomtube. They were so big that planets were literally the size of "specks" of dust, and Superman said at his normal size he'd be a microbe.


The size of the rip was that big too.

Did him getting bigger somehow made HV more powerful?

Zod's HV easily pierced Superman. Even Chris Kent as a kid Blasted through Zod's hand like butter.

Do you think Zod or Chris Kent have more powerful heat vision attack or Superman isn't a high Herald?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
If Surfer can't win a blasting fight against Superman then an all out fight, Superman should slaughter him 10/10. Don't get it. Blasting is Surfers game. It's what he does. How can he not beat a Herald in a battle like this. Superman is either trans tier...high trans or he is getting wanked like hell here.
It's not just blasting. It's taking the damage and dishing it out.

Surfer doesn't has what it takes to ko Superman before he can KO Surfer.

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
As usual h1 has no idea what he's talking about:

That heating the planet feat was a sundipped Superman.

That repairing the rip in reality feat was when Superman and Orion had their size altered to abstract sizes via the Boomtube. They were so big that planets were literally the size of "specks" of dust, and Superman said at his normal size he'd be a microbe.

Also none of H1's scans show Superman's HV cutting through high heralds like butter, lol.

Ok. Why nitpick when this doesn't destroy the others?
Prove that Surfer can tank heat beyond thousands of times hotter than a star.
I posted a scan of hv going through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Superman isn't a high Herald now? Superman has the same feats of resisting heat as Surfer (possibly better).

And it's funny how many give Marvel characters the benefit of the doubt (no feats) and not D.C.character. Superman melted a gods magical axe (Thor) yet it doesn't count to proving HV can hurt Surfer?

Originally posted by burrrrrr
Well, you are the trolling expert.

HV'ing the absolute 0 freeze ray would be the ultimate feat IRL; not so much in a comic. Is Captain Cold's gun supposed to be some sort of skyfather level weapon now?

HV thousands of times hotter than the sun? Huge reach there. I say BS

HV Repairing a rip in reality and being hotter than the pits of Hades. What do these things even mean or matter in the scenario?

Area of effect HV and melting Thor's axe. Meh

Moving a planet. Meh

I know that arguing with you about anything Superman-related is a massive waste of time but I figured I'd respond since you took the time to post those scans. I Didn't, nor have I ever, seen a single thing that suggests that HEAT vision can burn though Silver Surfer like a hot knife through butter.

Surfer wins 10/10

Agree to disagree.

Man on Earth can create temperatures and also lasers that can reach thousands of times hotter than the sun. Yet the scan I posted said that Superman's hv is beyond anything they can measure. Surfer simply has no feats on that level.
I showed hv going through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Superman has the same feats (or better) than Surfer in resisting heat. So why still disagree? You are simply ignoring on panel evidence. At least give a counter feat that shows Surfer durability withstanding Superman's output.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
If Surfer can't win a blasting fight against Superman then an all out fight, Superman should slaughter him 10/10. Don't get it. Blasting is Surfers game. It's what he does. How can he not beat a Herald in a battle like this. Superman is either trans tier...high trans or he is getting wanked like hell here. Surfer has Superman's weakness which is red solar radiation. Without that Superman would win 10/10

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer has Superman's weakness which is red solar radiation. Without that Superman would win 10/10

Didn't read.

abhilegend
BTW, punching through heralds like butter.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/owaw_dd4.jpg

carver9
Question ABHI. Doomsday ripped apart the same probes. Do you think Doomsday could one shot kill Superman in the same fashion? Punching his head off...etc.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
The size of the rip was that big too.

Did him getting bigger somehow made HV more powerful?

Zod's HV easily pierced Superman. Even Chris Kent as a kid Blasted through Zod's hand like butter.

Do you think Zod or Chris Kent have more powerful heat vision attack or Superman isn't a high Herald?
Obviously Superman's more powerful at abstract level size. Superman was so large he could crush dozens of planets between his fingers since they were literally smaller than specks. Superman is normal sized here, he's not abstract size where humans are microbes in comparison.

Those are Zod and Chris Kent's feats, not transferable to Superman. A blood-lusted Superman couldn't pierce through Wonder Woman's face (only to her bones) with his HV and it didn't stop her. I guess Diana's face is more durable than those particular probes lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok. Why nitpick when this doesn't destroy the others?
Prove that Surfer can tank heat beyond thousands of times hotter than a star.
I posted a scan of hv going through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Superman isn't a high Herald now? Superman has the same feats of resisting heat as Surfer (possibly better).

And it's funny how many give Marvel characters the benefit of the doubt (no feats) and not D.C.character. Superman melted a gods magical axe (Thor) yet it doesn't count to proving HV can hurt Surfer?



Man on Earth can create temperatures and also lasers that can reach thousands of times hotter than the sun. Yet the scan I posted said that Superman's hv is beyond anything they can measure. Surfer simply has no feats on that level.
I showed hv going through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Superman has the same feats (or better) than Surfer in resisting heat. So why still disagree? You are simply ignoring on panel evidence. At least give a counter feat that shows Surfer durability withstanding Superman's output.
Like usual you make outlandish claims without actual proof.

Nothing in your post suggest Superman's HV is thousands of times hotter than the sun. Whats funny is Surfer has literally said that he's basked in the glow of a thousand suns after no-selling a blast from Korvac that would incinerate a planet.

Another person's HV going through Superman doesn't mean Superman gets that feat. Feats aren't transferable.

Melting DC's Thor's axe doesn't mean much, it's not like it's equal to Marvel Thor's Mjolnir which has a laundry list of feats under it. So what durability feats does that axe have?

Sure later on I'll give instances later on of people no-selling Superman's heat vision and citing heat resistance as the reason.

Surfer's heat and energy durability is top-notch. Not only is he durable and virtually immune to heat, he can choose to absorb the HV to make himself stronger (like he's done numerous times), or use his silvery skin to reflect it (like he's done numerous times).

burrrrrr
Originally posted by h1a8
Man on Earth can create temperatures and also lasers that can reach thousands of times hotter than the sun. Yet the scan I posted said that Superman's hv is beyond anything they can measure. Surfer simply has no feats on that level. I showed hv going through Superman like a hot knife through butter. Superman has the same feats (or better) than Surfer in resisting heat. So why still disagree? You are simply ignoring on panel evidence. At least give a counter feat that shows Surfer durability withstanding Superman's output.


You take the real-life idea that Man can produce temperatures and lasers "thousands of times hotter than the sun", combine that with the statement of a reporter in a comic book, and insist that this is proof that that heat vision will burn right through Silver Surfer?

So, you are suggesting that Man on Earth can make weapons to incinerate SS with? And by extension, the other more advanced and warlike races in the Marvel Universe could do the same or better? So, SS should be one-shot by any random enemy soldier with a laser gun, right? Geez, how has Silver Surfer survived this long with so many instant death rays everywhere?

I didn't ignore anything. I am just not twisting scenes and making huge leaps to make Superman appear all-powerful and unbeatable. He is neither. Throwing out equations or statements like "thousands of times hotter than the sun" is not convincing me otherwise.

DarkSaint85
Also, take that reporters words with a pinch of salt. I mean, if we're using RL logic, its not as if our news reporters don't use sensationalism and hyperbole, eh?

Stoic
Not sure about this one. I recall Surfer being cut up like cheese squares by a laser. I've completely forgotten the full context as I read it a very long time ago, so I'm not sure if the Surfer was weakened during that scene? However, I do recall that he was still able to function even in that state.

One-Punch
He was. He had his power cosmic drained. When he got it back he instantly healed his chopped up limbs.

One-Punch
On numerous occasions in the comics people have no-sold or tanked Superman's heat vision and cited heat resistance as the reason:

Lobo no-sells Superman's HV and says it's 'cause he can "ride through the heat of blazing suns."
http://s13.postimg.org/osc1wl3pj/P00121.jpg

Captain Metamorpho no-sells the HV via turning his chest into asbestos, which is heat resistance material:
http://s13.postimg.org/9xs1w5jif/P00049.jpg

Brute was able to tank the HV and Superman cites his heat resistance since they're beside the sun:
http://s13.postimg.org/abtdvr3lz/P00045.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/iouhcodfr/P00046.jpg

Doide no-sells the HV saying it's cause his armour is made of the same heat resistant tiles as the space shuttle:
http://postimg.org/image/w71doypkz/

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Surfer's pretty damn resistant to heat based energy.

Supernovae...
http://i.imgur.com/JAjQw9q.png

Are...
http://i.imgur.com/KUACx2C.jpg

Nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/lZ0n50N.jpg

To...
http://s4.postimg.org/qlrx4c3tp/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg

Surfer...
http://s21.postimg.org/l3k2257jb/Supernovae.png

Galactus deliberately made Surfer's skin able to withstand the "hottest" sun.
http://s8.postimg.org/81madwr5h/silversurfer01_34.jpg

Can fly through stars like nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/hPmBIvE.jpg

Again suns are nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/XYULSOr.jpg

Even a red giant star with "planet melting heat" is nothing.
http://i.imgur.com/3yQc4pV.jpg

Surfer can't even feel the sun's plasmic embers on his skin despite being inside the sun.
http://i.imgur.com/CvbkKSo.jpg

Core of planets are also nothing either.
http://i.imgur.com/Nd8GRZ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYsqKGY.jpg

No-sells Korvac's cosmic bolt that can reduce a world to cinders. Superman need to sundipp just to heat up Earth.
http://i.imgur.com/YdaxMmX.jpg

Shrugs off Gladiator's heat vision point black in his face:
http://s18.postimg.org/ckqkvha95/image.jpg

Can absorb or deflect a near-infinite amount of Firelord's fire. Note: Firelord's heat is based on Galactus' alien science.
http://i.imgur.com/3Jp2jTn.jpg

Unfazed by Nova's (herald) flames inside a machine that uses her heat against her:
http://imgur.com/a/NorqD#6

I've never really seen heat based attacks affect Surfer except maybe Firelord, but his heat isn't regular heat--it's based of Galactus' alien science and is actually cosmic energy. Surfer should tank/absorb/reflect HV just fine.

Stoic
Originally posted by One-Punch
On numerous occasions in the comics people have no-sold or tanked Superman's heat vision and cited heat resistance as the reason:

Lobo no-sells Superman's HV and says it's 'cause he can "ride through the heat of blazing suns."
http://s13.postimg.org/osc1wl3pj/P00121.jpg

Captain Metamorpho no-sells the HV via turning his chest into asbestos, which is heat resistance material:
http://s13.postimg.org/9xs1w5jif/P00049.jpg

Brute was able to tank the HV and Superman cites his heat resistance since they're beside the sun:
http://s13.postimg.org/abtdvr3lz/P00045.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/iouhcodfr/P00046.jpg

Doide no-sells the HV saying it's cause his armour is made of the same heat resistant tiles as the space shuttle:
http://postimg.org/image/w71doypkz/

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Surfer's pretty damn resistant to heat based energy.

Supernovae...
http://i.imgur.com/JAjQw9q.png

Are...
http://i.imgur.com/KUACx2C.jpg

Nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/lZ0n50N.jpg

To...
http://s4.postimg.org/qlrx4c3tp/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg

Surfer...
http://s21.postimg.org/l3k2257jb/Supernovae.png

Galactus deliberately made Surfer's skin able to withstand the "hottest" sun.
http://s8.postimg.org/81madwr5h/silversurfer01_34.jpg

Can fly through stars like nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/hPmBIvE.jpg

Again suns are nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/XYULSOr.jpg

Even a red giant star with "planet melting heat" is nothing.
http://i.imgur.com/3yQc4pV.jpg

Surfer can't even feel the sun's plasmic embers on his skin despite being inside the sun.
http://i.imgur.com/CvbkKSo.jpg

Core of planets are also nothing either.
http://i.imgur.com/Nd8GRZ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYsqKGY.jpg

No-sells Korvac's cosmic bolt that can reduce a world to cinders. Superman need to sundipp just to heat up Earth.
http://i.imgur.com/YdaxMmX.jpg

Shrugs off Gladiator's heat vision point black in his face:
http://s18.postimg.org/ckqkvha95/image.jpg

Can absorb or deflect a near-infinite amount of Firelord's fire. Note: Firelord's heat is based on Galactus' alien science.
http://i.imgur.com/3Jp2jTn.jpg

Unfazed by Nova's (herald) flames inside a machine that uses her heat against her:
http://imgur.com/a/NorqD#6

I've never really seen heat based attacks affect Surfer except maybe Firelord, but his heat isn't regular heat--it's based of Galactus' alien science and is actually cosmic energy. Surfer should tank/absorb/reflect HV just fine.

So now all that's left is to figure out whether or not Superman can resist the PC? If not, well.....

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
Obviously Superman's more powerful at abstract level size. Superman was so large he could crush dozens of planets between his fingers since they were literally smaller than specks. Superman is normal sized here, he's not abstract size where humans are microbes in comparison.

Those are Zod and Chris Kent's feats, not transferable to Superman. A blood-lusted Superman couldn't pierce through Wonder Woman's face (only to her bones) with his HV and it didn't stop her. I guess Diana's face is more durable than those particular probes lol.


Like usual you make outlandish claims without actual proof.

Nothing in your post suggest Superman's HV is thousands of times hotter than the sun. Whats funny is Surfer has literally said that he's basked in the glow of a thousand suns after no-selling a blast from Korvac that would incinerate a planet.

Another person's HV going through Superman doesn't mean Superman gets that feat. Feats aren't transferable.

Melting DC's Thor's axe doesn't mean much, it's not like it's equal to Marvel Thor's Mjolnir which has a laundry list of feats under it. So what durability feats does that axe have?

Sure later on I'll give instances later on of people no-selling Superman's heat vision and citing heat resistance as the reason.

Surfer's heat and energy durability is top-notch. Not only is he durable and virtually immune to heat, he can choose to absorb the HV to make himself stronger (like he's done numerous times), or use his silvery skin to reflect it (like he's done numerous times). now we are getting somewhere. You are clearly ignoring on panel evidence. The scan specifically talks about the Superman's hv being beyond anything man can measure. In the same scan it mentions the things man has created and measured, things that can cut through all known substances on Earth. If you actually look up the things man has created then you would know that he has created things that can reach thousands of hotter than the sun. You are basically claiming that man can not measure or create temperatures in the range of thousands of times hotter than the sun, especially when man has done so many times. Or you are claiming that Superman's hv can not match or exceed such temperatures when the scan specifically stated that's Superman's hv exceeds any measurement made.

I'll accept the Thor argument since I'm an advocate of feats.
I'll accept the Zod feat not being Superman. Well put. But Superman has penetrated trans level beings with hv.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Question ABHI. Doomsday ripped apart the same probes. Do you think Doomsday could one shot kill Superman in the same fashion? Punching his head off...etc. Regular Superman yes, OWAW Superman no.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Obviously Superman's more powerful at abstract level size. Superman was so large he could crush dozens of planets between his fingers since they were literally smaller than specks. Superman is normal sized here, he's not abstract size where humans are microbes in comparison.


And how did that made his HV more powerful?

Haha, what? The HV burned right through her face.

He also oneshotted her in Final Crisis.

But I like how Zod and Chris Kent are more powerful than Superman though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
On numerous occasions in the comics people have no-sold or tanked Superman's heat vision and cited heat resistance as the reason:

Lobo no-sells Superman's HV and says it's 'cause he can "ride through the heat of blazing suns."
http://s13.postimg.org/osc1wl3pj/P00121.jpg


Mindcontrolled superman.

Are you serious here? That's not even canon IIRC.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Superman flat out said he is not at full power and Brute said that it was causing him unendurable agony.



WTF? That's a made up story by a character in that comic.

He is just riding out the waves by supernovae. Nowhere did he actually tanked one. Rookie Green Lanterns on day one can do the same.

http://i.imgur.com/oSBoEPD.jpg


Just like Superman.

Just like Superman.

Superman and J'onn created a heat bolt powerful enough to rival the birth of the sun.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/birthofsun1.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/birthofsun2.jpg

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/birthofsun3.jpg


Non canon again. This seems to be a pattern with you.
Yeah, and even then it can't Pierce the hides of a Herald like HV.



"Heat isn't regular heat".

crylaugh

Have you finished your lowballing and citing non canon or imaginary stories yet?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't both of you put your money where your mouth is and post the feats where Surfer has better energy projection than Superman or takes energy attacks as well as Superman.

Surfer doesn't has what it takes to beat Superman via energy blasts. Originally posted by abhilegend
Split.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend

"Heat isn't regular heat".

crylaugh

Abhi, he does have a point here :
http://s8.postimg.org/dzvjxxx85/3_Jp2j_Tn.jpg

psycho gundam
^ Abhilegend used those scans numerous times to argue against surfer in the multitude of versions of the "Surfer is weaker than Superman in every way" argument he makes. He's aware of them so it's cognitive dissonance

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam

Your point is? Originally posted by zopzop
Abhi, he does have a point here :
http://s8.postimg.org/dzvjxxx85/3_Jp2j_Tn.jpg
That scan just informs that Surfer can resist heat but not from Firelord.

He said the same about a random dragon five issues later and was still harmed by its fire.

When Firelord can blast right through Superman's body, call me about his attack having more power than Superman.

Superman actually absorbs solar energy far faster than surfer and is still harmed by HV. Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ Abhilegend used those scans numerous times to argue against surfer in the multitude of versions of the "Surfer is weaker than Superman in every way" argument he makes. He's aware of them so it's cognitive dissonance
laughing out loud

Now somehow Surfer metabolizes solar energy better than Superman.

Oh surfer fanboys, never change.

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by psycho gundam


Your not serious right? No one absorbs solar energy better then Kal.

Quit your pandering.

abhilegend
Superman even says that at full power it can straight away burn through his invulnerability.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24164424/HVInvulnerability.jpg.html

Stoic
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Your not serious right? No one absorbs solar energy better then Kal.

Quit your pandering.

Not sure which one absorbs solar radiation faster, and it shouldn't really be a point of comparison between Firelord's cosmic flame, and Superman's HV... I mean unless Superman became cosmic without my knowledge? Is he cosmic? Why wouldn't the Surfer be able to absorb HV? It's just another form of energy right? Is there a reason that he wouldn't be able to do so?

abhilegend
Just for fun, HV matches Omega Beams.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/omegabeamsface2.jpg

Actually deflects it away.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/racingomegaeffect1.jpg

Just a reminder to how powerful omega beams are?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24164437/hp_omega2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24164438/hp_omega3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24164439/hp_omega4.jpg.html

psycho gundam
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point is? You said "split", then when your serotonin levels changed when other people said different you flopped HARD the Superman way.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Your not serious right? No one absorbs solar energy better then Kal.

Quit your pandering. ?

Stoic
Hold on a second here Abhi, how can anyone be certain that the Darkseid that Kal is fighting in those scans is actually the real Darkseid? Is he the real deal when we try to make a point, or is he only the real deal when he says that he isn't in some Avatar body? Using Darkseid as some form of proof becomes murky if it isn't actually him. What if Superman was fighting Desaad, or Kalabak, or some other creature?

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
You said "split", then when your serotonin levels changed when other people said different you flopped HARD the Superman way.
?

I'm still saying this is a a split you dunce.

Don't start PMSing here.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Stoic
Hold on a second here Abhi, how can anyone be certain that the Darkseid that Kal is fighting in those scans is actually the real Darkseid? Is he the real deal when we try to make a point, or is he only the real deal when he says that he isn't in some Avatar body? Using Darkseid as some form of proof becomes murky if it isn't actually him. What if Superman was fighting Desaad, or Kalabak, or some other creature?
Because it was the real Darkseid as per the story and as per the writer.

-Pr-
Surfer wins. Anyone saying it's a stomp is an idiot though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer wins. Anyone saying it's a stomp is an idiot though.
Fight me.

sneer

Genii96
Surfer's immune to normal heat;can absorb hv and can effortlessly decimate a planet with an energy blast,he shits on superman in an energy contest

-Pr-
Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer's immune to normal heat;can absorb hv and can effortlessly decimate a planet with an energy blast,he shits on superman in an energy contest

HV isn't solely heat, though, even if that were true.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fight me.

sneer

You'd lose.

Prof. T.C McAbe
SS is better at energy manipulation and more versatile with said energy, the HV can do greater damage to a being though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer's immune to normal heat;can absorb hv and can effortlessly decimate a planet with an energy blast,he shits on superman in an energy contest
Superman can fire HV powerful enough to rival the birth of the sun with J'onn.

Planet busting is nothing compared to that.

But you think Surfer is above Superman in everything. So I will take your comments in about same regard as I do darthgoober or any other surfer fanboy.

Not to take seriously.

Originally posted by -Pr-
HV isn't solely heat, though, even if that were true.



You'd lose.

Nope, you'd lose with your tiny hands.

uhuh

abhilegend
And those who think HV is simple heat?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/TelekineticAgitation.jpg

Nibedicus
Fukkin Abhi and his tentacle porn.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer wins. Anyone saying it's a stomp is an idiot though. why is this not a stomp? Surfer can destroy the entire solar system with his vastly superior energy blasts. Plenty characters have been hit with supermans heat vision at mild to full force and still fought on. Orion gets hit with it yet fires back but surfer was going to kill him with ease with nothing more than a simple blast. Superman has no chance here . This IS a stomp.

Genii96
Originally posted by -Pr-
HV isn't solely heat, though, even if that were true.



You'd lose.
heat vision isnt solely heat?i mean aside from the force it would have when hitting something what else is there? Not that it matters however, surfer still absorbs it with ease and has shugged off energy blasts that vaporize planets,surfer simply absorbs it:

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman can fire HV powerful enough to rival the birth of the sun with J'onn.

Planet busting is nothing compared to that.

But you think Surfer is above Superman in everything. So I will take your comments in about same regard as I do darthgoober or any other surfer fanboy.

Not to take seriously.



Nope, you'd lose with your tiny hands.

uhuh
judging by your natural ability to overwank and overhype superman,yea, i am gonna need a scan for that,not that it would matter.....i mean what part of you dosent understand the meaning of surfer absorbing his hv?,is it so hard to get?surfer absorbs his hv and blast him to sleep.
Surfer being above superman is already a fact,ofcourse fanboys have their delusions,only thing superman has on him is strength feats,thats all, you actually believe i give a rats ass about how you take my comments? You must be in dreamland

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
why is this not a stomp? Surfer can destroy the entire solar system with his vastly superior energy blasts. Plenty characters have been hit with supermans heat vision at mild to full force and still fought on. Orion gets hit with it yet fires back but surfer was going to kill him with ease with nothing more than a simple blast. Superman has no chance here . This IS a stomp.
Surfer can destroy the solar system?

Scans? And in that comic Darkseid oneshotted surfer with omega beams.

Superman matched and deflected the omega beams with HV.

Superman oneshots Surfer.

Obviously. Originally posted by Genii96
heat vision isnt solely heat?i mean aside from the force it would have when hitting something what else is there? Not that it matters however, surfer still absorbs it with ease and has shugged off energy blasts that vaporize planets,surfer simply absorbs it:
Nope. Superman absorbs solar energy much more rapidly than Surfer.

Here he can't absorb the energy anyway. It's a simple energy blast fight. Originally posted by Genii96
judging by your natural ability to overwank and overhype superman,yea, i am gonna need a scan for that,not that it would matter.....i mean what part of you dosent understand the meaning of surfer absorbing his hv?,is it so hard to get?surfer absorbs his hv and blast him to sleep.
Surfer being above superman is already a fact,ofcourse fanboys have their delusions,only thing superman has on him is strength feats,thats all, you actually believe i give a rats ass about how you take my comments? You must be in dreamland
What part of "this is just a blast fight" as per OP do you not understand?

And I've posted the scan already on last page.

You think Surfer can absorb solar energy better than Superman?

You claim "surfer is already above Superman" in every thread. Overcompensating much?

You can think whatever you want kid. Nobody cares.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Fukkin Abhi and his tentacle porn.
Damn, you're on to me!!!!!

h1a8
I thought we debate by feats. When someone posts scans proving their case while the other just still claims Surfer wins is trolling. This is because they are ignoring on panel evidence.
I just proved that Superman's hv is hotter than thousands of times the sun.
It was shown that hv went through probes with ease.

What feats against heat and energy does Surfer have to say he can withstand it?
What energy blasts feats does he have to show it matching or exceeding the hv?

No one is posting feats for him. Just trolling, ignoring on panel evidence, and saying that he wins anyway.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your point is?
That scan just informs that Surfer can resist heat but not from Firelord.

He said the same about a random dragon five issues later and was still harmed by its fire.

When Firelord can blast right through Superman's body, call me about his attack having more power than Superman.

Superman actually absorbs solar energy far faster than surfer and is still harmed by HV.
laughing out loud

Now somehow Surfer metabolizes solar energy better than Superman.

Oh surfer fanboys, never change.

Sigh. You don't get it. You can't count the Firelord ft as something that can be used against Surfer since Surfer outright tells us that Firelord power is more than just a heat based attack. Do you get it now? Unless you can prove Superman heat vision can shoot the same type of energy Firelord is dishing out then your argument with the usage of Firelord is irrelevant.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh. You don't get it. You can't count the Firelord ft as something that can be used against Surfer since Surfer outright tells us that Firelord power is more than just a heat based attack. Do you get it now? Unless you can prove Superman heat vision can shoot the same type of energy Firelord is dishing out then your argument with the usage of Firelord is irrelevant.

He only said that Firelord's heat is due to Galactus's power. It's not "special heat" that allows him to harm surfer. It just means it's hotter than stars Surfer can endure.

Same as HV.

Firelord's attacks are heat based. Superman has heat+kinetic energy and the attacks are more powerful than Firelord's attacks.

You think Surfer is the only shiny character who is resistant to heat? Look up captain Atom or Major Force and see what Superman does to both of them.

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
why is this not a stomp? Surfer can destroy the entire solar system with his vastly superior energy blasts. Plenty characters have been hit with supermans heat vision at mild to full force and still fought on. Orion gets hit with it yet fires back but surfer was going to kill him with ease with nothing more than a simple blast. Superman has no chance here . This IS a stomp.

Did you just use a crossover to illustrate your point?

My earlier post seems even more relevant now...

Originally posted by Genii96
heat vision isnt solely heat?i mean aside from the force it would have when hitting something what else is there? Not that it matters however, surfer still absorbs it with ease and has shugged off energy blasts that vaporize planets,surfer simply absorbs it:

No he doesn't "simply" absorb it. Jesus.

One-Punch
Abhi's new game plan: don't like the showing? Yell non-canon without proof. laughing out loud
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mindcontrolled superman.
Weak excuse. At best Superman was subtlety influenced at that point, no indication that it made his HV weaker.


Based on? The regular JLA crew were transported to the future to fight Solaris and transported back to their time afterwards.


Hence why I said he tanked it, instead of no-selling it like the others smile


Wrong.

Diode actually came out of retirement to give himself recognition and show-off to his retired buddies who made fun of him. He ended up fighting (and then later helping) Superman.

The reporters caught it all on tape and it on the news channel where Diode showed off to his retired buddies:
http://s23.postimg.org/ka9kc306z/P00019.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/3xzimclvf/P00020.jpg



The narration says the supernova hit him. You need to be hit by the supernova in order to ride its "waves of destruction."

Surfer is smiling and riding supernovas for fun, while that GL is scared and clearly hurt by an exploding star. Good comparison. Also irrelevant to Superman.


Based on?


Underwhelming since all they actually did was activate a big volcanic eruption, not to mention it's a shared feat of combining 2 types of heat visions. Show me Superman replicating it by himself.


Prove it, give a legit reference.

You and Juntai tried claiming Epic Illustrated #1 wasn't canon to 616 Surfer, and it turned out it was (referenced in Marvel's Official FF4 index as in continuity).

So either provide proof or stop crying wolf.



Does Superman derive his power from the sun, or from Galactus' alien science? Does Superman have the power cosmic?

Simple questions.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And those who think HV is simple heat?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/TelekineticAgitation.jpg

You realize the 'agitation of molecules' is the scientific definition for heat right?

laughing out loud

http://quatr.us/chemistry/atoms/heat.htm

You claim heat vision isn't just heat, then provide a scan that says it's heat LOL. In fact your scan shows Salaak dissing HV saying it's useless against large objects.

One-Punch
Surfer doesn't just absorb heat though. He can absorb concussive blasts and amp himself.

Like the time he absorbed an armada using all their power to blast him, then using that energy to stabilize a sun.
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#3
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#4
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#5

His silvery skin can also reflect energy blasts too.

Like the time he used his silvery skin to reflect an energy beam created by the 6 Infinity Gems being used to depower Galactus:
http://i.imgur.com/XTUouTO.jpg

So Surfer's silvery skin not only has high durability, it's virtually immune to heat, can absorb concussive blasts, or reflect them away. Sounds like it'd be useful when facing HEAT vision.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
He only said that Firelord's heat is due to Galactus's power. It's not "special heat" that allows him to harm surfer. It just means it's hotter than stars Surfer can endure.

Same as HV.

Firelord's attacks are heat based. Superman has heat+kinetic energy and the attacks are more powerful than Firelord's attacks.

You think Surfer is the only shiny character who is resistant to heat? Look up captain Atom or Major Force and see what Superman does to both of them.

His heat isn't just a heat based attacks. It's more than that and have different properties. We can not ignore this.

Does Major Force and Captain Atom have fts similar to what Surfer has shown when it comes to heat based energy?

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you just use a crossover to illustrate your point?

My earlier post seems even more relevant now...



No he doesn't "simply" absorb it. Jesus. It was a comparison of them fighting the same foe and using heat vision and energy blasts. Supermans heat attack compared to surfers energy blasts is not close at all. I know you like superman, but calling people idiots because they say its a stomp kind of let's the car out the bag. Debate me or others who make this claim instead of calling people idiots.

panthergod
Originally posted by JBL
It was a comparison of them fighting the same foe and using heat vision and energy blasts. Supermans heat attack compared to surfers energy blasts is not close at all. I know you like superman, but calling people idiots because they say its a stomp kind of let's the car out the bag. Debate me or others who make this claim instead of calling people idiots.

No, they aren't close. Even while holding back HV is competitive with energies far more powerful and potent than anything Surfer can muster.

carver9
Can you give us examples Panther?

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
Can you give us examples Panther?

The full Omega Beams. WELL above Surfer. Please argue otherwise.

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer doesn't just absorb heat though. He can absorb concussive blasts and amp himself.

Like the time he absorbed an armada using all their power to blast him, then using that energy to stabilize a sun.
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#3
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#4
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#5

His silvery skin can also reflect energy blasts too.

Like the time he used his silvery skin to reflect an energy beam created by the 6 Infinity Gems being used to depower Galactus:
http://i.imgur.com/XTUouTO.jpg

So Surfer's silvery skin not only has high durability, it's virtually immune to heat, can absorb concussive blasts, or reflect them away. Sounds like it'd be useful when facing HEAT vision.

You have to show that limit of which Surfer can absorb or reflect heat and concussion is equal or greater than the output Superman is capable of delivering.
We are not allowed to use no limit fallacies. Otherwise, Surfer is able to absorb any blast made by anyone. And you are not to lowball and name low feats of a character. Also why is Diana resisting hv defeats that hv can harm Surfer significantly?

I want you to show Surfer resisting or absorbing heat far over thousands of times hotter than a star, or on the level of destroying probes with a single blast. Then I want you to show Surfer outputting blasts equal or greater in power.

psycho gundam
laughing out loud

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
You have to show that limit of which Surfer can absorb or reflect heat and concussion is equal or greater than the output Superman is capable of delivering.
We are not allowed to use no limit fallacies. Otherwise, Surfer is able to absorb any blast made by anyone. And you are not to lowball and name low feats of a character. Also why is Diana resisting hv defeats that hv can harm Surfer significantly?

I want you to show Surfer resisting or absorbing heat far over thousands of times hotter than a star, or on the level of destroying probes with a single blast. Then I want you to show Surfer outputting blasts equal or greater in power.

That's quite a stance that you're taking there. Should the no limits fallacy be placed on Superman as well? One Punch just stated that the Surfer reflected the energies of 6 Infinity Gems.

JBL
Originally posted by panthergod
The full Omega Beams. WELL above Surfer. Please argue otherwise. That's your proof??? Gladiator matched Tyrants eyebeams, you know tyrant, the one it took Galactus to stop but surfer would stomp gladiator in a blasting contest too.

Stoic
Originally posted by JBL
That's your proof??? Gladiator matched Tyrants eyebeams, you know tyrant, the one it took Galactus to stop but surfer would stomp gladiator in a blasting contest too.

It took even more than Galactus to stop Tyrant. Tyrant was well on his way to killing Galactus. It took the Ultimate Nullifier to stop him.

JBL
Originally posted by Stoic
It took even more than Galactus to stop Tyrant. Tyrant was well on his way to killing Galactus. It took the Ultimate Nullifier to stop him. :True.

long pig
Surfer destroys.

h1a8
Originally posted by long pig
Surfer destroys. prove it.

long pig
Originally posted by h1a8
prove it.
I'll get right on that.

panthergod
Originally posted by JBL
That's your proof??? Gladiator matched Tyrants eyebeams, you know tyrant, the one it took Galactus to stop but surfer would stomp gladiator in a blasting contest too.
So what? What does this have to do with Superman's HV? What feats do Tyrants Eye Beams have that come anywhere near the Omega Beams? Neither Tyrant and Glads aren't anywhere near Darkseid and Superman in EP feats, respectively.

Stoic
Originally posted by panthergod
So what? What does this have to do with Superman's HV? What feats do Tyrants Eye Beams have that come anywhere near the Omega Beams? Neither Tyrant and Glads aren't anywhere near Darkseid and Superman in EP feats, respectively.

What about the 6 Infinity Gems feat?

JBL
Originally posted by panthergod
So what? What does this have to do with Superman's HV? What feats do Tyrants Eye Beams have that come anywhere near the Omega Beams? Neither Tyrant and Glads aren't anywhere near Darkseid and Superman in EP feats, respectively. I would make a superman vs Tyrant thread,but I won't dare subject the reasonable people on this site to the outlandish response superman fans would bring.

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
It was a comparison of them fighting the same foe and using heat vision and energy blasts. Supermans heat attack compared to surfers energy blasts is not close at all. I know you like superman, but calling people idiots because they say its a stomp kind of let's the car out the bag. Debate me or others who make this claim instead of calling people idiots.

Did you not read the OP? It's blasting power only.

Saying it's a stomp is being an idiot, tbh.

lol @ accusing me of bias though. That's REALLY rich coming from you.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not read the OP? It's blasting power only.

Saying it's a stomp is being an idiot, tbh.

lol @ accusing me of bias though. That's REALLY rich coming from you. Superman is not in surfers class in blasting power, only characters like Thor can do better or compete, unless you think superman can match or come close to thors hammer output.

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
Superman is not in surfers class in blasting power, only characters like Thor can do better or compete, unless you think superman can match or come close to thors hammer output.

You're welcome to your opinion.

panthergod
Originally posted by JBL
I would make a superman vs Tyrant thread,but I won't dare subject the reasonable people on this site to the outlandish response superman fans would bring.
Your utter cowardice is duly noted.

Tyrant not being able to trump Gladiators eye blasts without any other showings to measure how impressive they are means the maxes out at Wlite top tier level with his eye blasts. Meanwhile, a weakened Darkseid put Mon-El, the character Gladiator is an utter rip off of along with a teenaged Superboy( teen Clark at least=Gladiator, being generous to Glads), into a coma with a single blast.

Superman's HV was competitive with the full Omega Beams. And that's before he learned how to access the full potential output of HV.

Superman is well above Surfer, in raw power and Energy projection output.

JBL
Originally posted by panthergod
Your utter cowardice is duly noted.

Tyrant not being able to trump Gladiators eye blasts without any other showings to measure how impressive they are means the maxes out at Wlite top tier level with his eye blasts. Meanwhile, a weakened Darkseid put Mon-El, the character Gladiator is an utter rip off of along with a teenaged Superboy( teen Clark at least=Gladiator, being generous to Glads), into a coma with a single blast.

Superman's HV was competitive with the full Omega Beams. And that's before he learned how to access the full potential output of HV.

Superman is well above Surfer, in raw power and Energy projection output. Superman is above surfer in Energy projection??? LMAO. Thanks, I needed a good laugh😅

long pig
Surfer wins.

panthergod
Originally posted by JBL
Superman is above surfer in Energy projection??? LMAO. Thanks, I needed a good laugh😅
His Energy projection was directly competitive with EP FAR above anything Surfer can match, yes.

And?

h1a8
Originally posted by long pig
I'll get right on that. cool. I like to see what you got.

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by JBL
It was a comparison of them fighting the same foe and using heat vision and energy blasts. Supermans heat attack compared to surfers energy blasts is not close at all. I know you like superman, but calling people idiots because they say its a stomp kind of let's the car out the bag. Debate me or others who make this claim instead of calling people idiots.

More out of you? Do you only come here to talk about your crush Superman? Who tortured you as a kid and bent you over daily with his comics?

As for the topic, Saying Superman is vastly outclassed in energy projection is like saying Omega beams are shit. Which mind you are above Surfers blasts. That HV has blocked.

h1a8
I wonder if it's trolling to constantly state a character wins without offering any on panel proof contradicting the on panel proof that has been shown.
I clearly have shown feats where hv trumps Surfer's blasts. At least show feats where Surfer actually hurt and greatly damage High Heralds with his blasts. Has he even done such a thing?

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Abhi's new game plan: don't like the showing? Yell non-canon without proof.

Uh-huh. At least I'm not posting non canon scans as proof.

Ah, right. It's from DC one million. Same character appeared in Superman animated comics too.

But then you'd know that Superman's powers were deliberately sabotaged by Solaris in that time.

If tanking is taking unendurable agony by a weakened superman while sun doesn't phased him, sure.

That actually works against you.

You really didn't comprehend the story, did you?

Maybe I should post the whole comic here for you to comprehend. You should have at least posted the bit where Diode beat Superman!!!!!



No, it did not.

You can ride the waves of destruction without getting hit.



Surfer was never hit by a supernova. One time it was when Goddess was attempting to make the sun go supernova, it was outright shown surfer would be atomized.

Also that's day one GL. He was scared but not hurt.

Now rookie Green Lanterns are more durable than Superman. This just keeps getting better and better.

Superman actually tanking supernova.


It was absorbed by a dimension full of beings who were able to absorb all heat. Now all of a sudden narration isn't reliable, right?

Are you saying heat pulse rivaling sun's birth is not impressive? Even half of that is more than Surfer can produce.

It's from Marvel Adventures 10.

And lol @ Epic imprint being canon.



Hahaha.

So now only heat produced by power cosmic can hurt Surfer? Show me Firelord blasting through a Herald. Should be simple for his "special heat".

Not by telekinesis though.



Are you claiming HV doesn't packs force besides heat?

Tread carefully.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer doesn't just absorb heat though. He can absorb concussive blasts and amp himself.

Like the time he absorbed an armada using all their power to blast him, then using that energy to stabilize a sun.
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#3
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#4
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#5

His silvery skin can also reflect energy blasts too.

Like the time he used his silvery skin to reflect an energy beam created by the 6 Infinity Gems being used to depower Galactus:
http://i.imgur.com/XTUouTO.jpg

So Surfer's silvery skin not only has high durability, it's virtually immune to heat, can absorb concussive blasts, or reflect them away. Sounds like it'd be useful when facing HEAT vision.
laughing out loud

Are you claiming surfer can absorb solar energy better than Superman? Because even Superman gets harmed by it.

And he deflecting is a draining beam by the gems. It wasn't blasting him.

Major Force's skin is also very durable and reflective of energy.

Superman melted him to nearly slag.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
I wonder if it's trolling to constantly state a character wins without offering any on panel proof contradicting the on panel proof that has been shown.
I clearly have shown feats where hv trumps Surfer's blasts. At least show feats where Surfer actually hurt and greatly damage High Heralds with his blasts. Has he even done such a thing?


Isn't that what you do on a constant basis? I guess you can't smell shit if it's all over you huh?

abhilegend
But really, see Surfer no selling HV.

http://i.imgur.com/9kjtAlS.jpg

Oh right, he was dancing like a ballerina to avoid getting hit.
Yes, it's non admissible here but it's still better than fanfiction surfer fans are trying to sell. It's from Surfer's regular writer Ron Marz too.

Not to mention Surfer's patented "I have the power cosmic" blast oneshotting Cyborg.

http://i.imgur.com/f8EMG3e.jpg

Oh right, never happened.

Superman vs Cyborg heat vision attacks.

http://i.imgur.com/4xNjNzw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WvpmHmL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/eZqerFQ.jpg

Blasted an amped Cyborg's body apart with oneshot. He rebuilt his body but that's beside the point.

And Cyborg can casually shrug off attacks from Hal which were as hot as sun itself.

http://i.imgur.com/kIv7Dte.jpg

panthergod
Plus, during Hunter Prey his HV could wreck Cyborg but didn't come close the the Omega Besms. Despite the Arguable Kryptonite X power up. Even being in proximity to them hurt him iirc.

By PWAW, HV was directly on par with OB and Supes could tank the Omegas.

abhilegend
The editors clarified that Superman didn't have kryptonite x power up in Hunter Prey. It's supposed to happen after Parasite drained him but it still gave him a permanent boost.

Time-Immemorial
Ahbi how do you keep this up?

abhilegend
Keep what?

h1a8
We have showed on panel evidence of how powerful the hv can be.
No one has shown Surfer doing any better with his blasts.
Thus anyone who claims Surfer still wins is not only ignoring posted evidence but trolling. If you believe that Surfer wins then provide written or posted evidence in regards to what was posted for Superman. When arguing for characters in different companies we debate by feats, nothing else.

Insane Titan
Lmao using non canon crossovers, desperate much.

I geuss we can using DS using the Omega Beams with a sneak attack and not been able to put Surfer down

abhilegend
laughing out loud

-Pr-
Don't post crossovers.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. At least I'm not posting non canon scans as proof.
Yet you post a cross-over...hypocrite much?

You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.


Wrong again.

The only thing Solaris did was make it seem like Superman attacked the audience and turned him into a fugitive so everyone attacked him. Hence why Captain Metamorpho attacked him.

Provide an issue and page # to back your claim.


This Brute that tanked Superman's HV was later incinerated by being tossed into the sun.
http://s16.postimg.org/oogppfg4l/P00059.jpg

The sun is nothing to Surfer, what does that tell you?


Wrong yet again, Diode never beat Superman in that story--seems like your memory is failing.

I can post the entire comic too, but instead I'll just post the part where Diode comes out of retirement to make a comeback:
http://s12.postimg.org/5y7er6o2l/P00006.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/c0f1hocil/P00010.jpg


So you're saying you can ride a supernova without touching it? laughing out loud

That makes absolutely no sense. How do you ride something without touching it? It's not like Surfer is using a space-ship. All he has is a surfboard.

You're also ignoring the narration that says the gasses released "catch" Surfer.

And lol at the Goddess example. Superman stated himself he'd be incinerated by the sun during the Eradicator arc, should we take his word?


In terms of heat energy durability Superman has been hurt and burned several times.

http://s8.postimg.org/ffy0t240l/abhisgaylol.jpg

Superman was KTFO by a supernova's wave of destruction.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion2.jpg

Hurt by jet fuel in that's thousands of Fahrenheit.
http://s1.postimg.org/btv4hkz3z/P00045.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/8uo7ugpmn/P00154.jpg

Eradicator channeling energy from the sun's core KOs Superman with its heat vision.
http://s1.postimg.org/vafu43u7z/P00046.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears through Superman's skin.
http://s1.postimg.org/jszhcne7z/P00043.jpg

Burns Superman's face up again.
http://s1.postimg.org/6nfdssuyn/P00073.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears Superman's eyes shut, phucks up his face with burns.
http://s1.postimg.org/g98y93m4f/P00074.jpg

Eradicator burns Superman's face some more, tosses him in the sun.
http://s1.postimg.org/4f5sp7d8f/P00101.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/v2s77lj9b/P00102.jpg

Superman can feel the atomic flames through his invulnerability.
http://s1.postimg.org/qlzu8x51b/P00086.jpg

Superman gets KTFO by the fire pits of Apocalypse.
http://s1.postimg.org/rpjykvpof/P00090.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/runpujwzj/P00091.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/w6cbjk3wf/P00092.jpg

Gets his hand seared by a mind-controlled Volcana.
http://s1.postimg.org/6ywu5kben/P00059.jpg

Superman gets KTFO for an entire day from a sun-eater explosion.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater4.jpg

No wonder other people's HV goes through him like butter. Just 'cause other people's HV go through Superman doesn't mean it'll go through Surfer. Feats aren't transferable, and you have to proof Superman's heat resistance is the same as Surfers and by the looks of it, it's not close.

Superman going into or near yellow suns don't count for obvious reasons.


Again shared feat by combining two HV and Martian Vision. Show him replicating it solo.

The narration states the combo HV created a volcanic eruption. For a "heat pulse that rival's the sun's rebirth" it sure is underwhelming, unless you don't think it might be...*GASP! Hyperbole?

And if Superman's HV was so powerful, why did he need to sundip to heat up Earth?


So?

In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.

Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.

The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.

That's 5 references to 616 continuity.



Epic Illustrated #1 is canon for Surfer:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/meltdown.htm

1. "Epic Illustrated featured a SS story that is in-continuity, as it was cited in the FF Index#4 entry"

And if we check the Official Marvel Index of the Fantastic Four:

Excerpt ... under "Villains"

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24028281_SS_canon1.jpg

Credit to Mr. Master

Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.

You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.


Answer the question: does superman derive his power from the sun, or power cosmic?

Surfer says the sun is nothing to him, but power cosmic is.


The method is irrelevant. The end product is still 'agitation of molecules' which is the literal definition of heat.

And Sarkaas dissed it by saying its only useful at the micro, and useless for macro objects.


Sure it does, but let's not pretend heat isn't a large part of it since it is called HEAT vision for a reason.

Your own scan betrays you and says it causes 'agitation of molecules' which is the scientific definition of heat.

Here HV is described as a "concentrated beam of extreme heat."
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...ntratedHeat.jpg

Superman isn't Cyclops.

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Are you claiming surfer can absorb solar energy better than Superman? Because even Superman gets harmed by it.

And he deflecting is a draining beam by the gems. It wasn't blasting him.

Major Force's skin is also very durable and reflective of energy.

Superman melted him to nearly slag.
I'm claiming Surfer can absorb concussive blast and proved it via the scan, learn to read.

But if Surfer wanted he could absorb Superman's heat vision and amp himself, just as easily as Cauldron did:
http://s13.postimg.org/y91v37nk7/P00052.jpg

The energy beam from the 6 infinity gems had enough energy to rejuvenate a solar system. Yes it was blasting because Nova tried tanking the beam and was nearly killed. Later on in the same book Nova easily tanks a point blank supernova.
http://s22.postimg.org/a04rcvt75/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_15.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/jagvgf3wx/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_16.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/pa4mk2opd/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg


And before you post your nonsense about how "a black hole nearly kills Surfer and Nova" go read SS Vol.3 #15 and #18 where Surfer (and later Nova) travel into that very same black hole unscathed.

Major Force isn't Silver Surfer.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
The editors clarified that Superman didn't have kryptonite x power up in Hunter Prey. It's supposed to happen after Parasite drained him but it still gave him a permanent boost.

Absolutely false. That amp wasn't permanent.

It was stated in the comic TWICE that Superman's powers went back to normal. Comics supersede ambiguous editor comments.

Hamilton confirms Superman's power is back to normal.

http://s3.postimg.org/gz88tnl37/hamilton.jpg

Later confirmed again by Martha.

http://s3.postimg.org/70na76bnn/parasite.jpg

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

When Superman got his power-up it was made clear he no longer needed to breath in space, and can travel in space without worrying.
http://s12.postimg.org/4vlbwg9ct/P00079.jpg

After losing his power-up Superman needed to breath oxygen again. If his power-up was permanent he would've retained his ability not needing oxygen.

Needs the Motherbox to breathe in space.
http://s12.postimg.org/felblmc0t/P00168.jpg

Can only hold his breath for 2-3 hours:
http://s12.postimg.org/ksk3t61r1/P00055.jpg

Needs oxygen mask to breathe in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/z5djrhlr1/P00081.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ve3z5682l/P00084.jpg

Needs Kyle to create an oxygen mask for him in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/q056xmicd/P00087.jpg

Chokes from lack of air even though he's near the sun:
http://s12.postimg.org/l90q1v04d/P00092.jpg

Superman was consistently portrayed as needing oxygen all the way until he trained with Mongul to expand his lung capacity:
http://s12.postimg.org/9y2nr8in1/P00117.jpg

Like I said, comic books overrule amiguous editor comments, especially if the comments are directly contradicted by the comics.

h1a8
Originally posted by One-Punch
Yet you post a cross-over...hypocrite much?

You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.


Wrong again.

The only thing Solaris did was make it seem like Superman attacked the audience and turned him into a fugitive so everyone attacked him. Hence why Captain Metamorpho attacked him.

Provide an issue and page # to back your claim.


This Brute that tanked Superman's HV was later incinerated by being tossed into the sun.
http://s16.postimg.org/oogppfg4l/P00059.jpg

The sun is nothing to Surfer, what does that tell you?


Wrong yet again, Diode never beat Superman in that story--seems like your memory is failing.

I can post the entire comic too, but instead I'll just post the part where Diode comes out of retirement to make a comeback:
http://s12.postimg.org/5y7er6o2l/P00006.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/c0f1hocil/P00010.jpg


So you're saying you can ride a supernova without touching it? laughing out loud

That makes absolutely no sense. How do you ride something without touching it? It's not like Surfer is using a space-ship. All he has is a surfboard.

You're also ignoring the narration that says the gasses released "catch" Surfer.

And lol at the Goddess example. Superman stated himself he'd be incinerated by the sun during the Eradicator arc, should we take his word?


In terms of heat energy durability Superman has been hurt and burned several times.

http://s8.postimg.org/ffy0t240l/abhisgaylol.jpg

Superman was KTFO by a supernova's wave of destruction.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion2.jpg

Hurt by jet fuel in that's thousands of Fahrenheit.
http://s1.postimg.org/btv4hkz3z/P00045.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/8uo7ugpmn/P00154.jpg

Eradicator channeling energy from the sun's core KOs Superman with its heat vision.
http://s1.postimg.org/vafu43u7z/P00046.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears through Superman's skin.
http://s1.postimg.org/jszhcne7z/P00043.jpg

Burns Superman's face up again.
http://s1.postimg.org/6nfdssuyn/P00073.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears Superman's eyes shut, phucks up his face with burns.
http://s1.postimg.org/g98y93m4f/P00074.jpg

Eradicator burns Superman's face some more, tosses him in the sun.
http://s1.postimg.org/4f5sp7d8f/P00101.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/v2s77lj9b/P00102.jpg

Superman can feel the atomic flames through his invulnerability.
http://s1.postimg.org/qlzu8x51b/P00086.jpg

Superman gets KTFO by the fire pits of Apocalypse.
http://s1.postimg.org/rpjykvpof/P00090.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/runpujwzj/P00091.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/w6cbjk3wf/P00092.jpg

Gets his hand seared by a mind-controlled Volcana.
http://s1.postimg.org/6ywu5kben/P00059.jpg

Superman gets KTFO for an entire day from a sun-eater explosion.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater4.jpg

No wonder other people's HV goes through him like butter. Just 'cause other people's HV go through Superman doesn't mean it'll go through Surfer. Feats aren't transferable, and you have to proof Superman's heat resistance is the same as Surfers and by the looks of it, it's not close.

Superman going into or near yellow suns don't count for obvious reasons.


Again shared feat by combining two HV and Martian Vision. Show him replicating it solo.

The narration states the combo HV created a volcanic eruption. For a "heat pulse that rival's the sun's rebirth" it sure is underwhelming, unless you don't think it might be...*GASP! Hyperbole?

And if Superman's HV was so powerful, why did he need to sundip to heat up Earth?


So?

In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.

Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.

The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.

That's 5 references to 616 continuity.



Epic Illustrated #1 is canon for Surfer:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/meltdown.htm

1. "Epic Illustrated featured a SS story that is in-continuity, as it was cited in the FF Index#4 entry"

And if we check the Official Marvel Index of the Fantastic Four:

Excerpt ... under "Villains"

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24028281_SS_canon1.jpg

Credit to Mr. Master

Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.

You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.


Answer the question: does superman derive his power from the sun, or power cosmic?

Surfer says the sun is nothing to him, but power cosmic is.


The method is irrelevant. The end product is still 'agitation of molecules' which is the literal definition of heat.

And Sarkaas dissed it by saying its only useful at the micro, and useless for macro objects.


Sure it does, but let's not pretend heat isn't a large part of it since it is called HEAT vision for a reason.

Your own scan betrays you and says it causes 'agitation of molecules' which is the scientific definition of heat.

Here HV is described as a "concentrated beam of extreme heat."
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...ntratedHeat.jpg

Superman isn't Cyclops.


I'm claiming Surfer can absorb concussive blast and proved it via the scan, learn to read.

But if Surfer wanted he could absorb Superman's heat vision and amp himself, just as easily as Cauldron did:
http://s13.postimg.org/y91v37nk7/P00052.jpg

The energy beam from the 6 infinity gems had enough energy to rejuvenate a solar system. Yes it was blasting because Nova tried tanking the beam and was nearly killed. Later on in the same book Nova easily tanks a point blank supernova.
http://s22.postimg.org/a04rcvt75/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_15.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/jagvgf3wx/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_16.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/pa4mk2opd/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg


And before you post your nonsense about how "a black hole nearly kills Surfer and Nova" go read SS Vol.3 #15 and #18 where Surfer (and later Nova) travel into that very same black hole unscathed.

Major Force isn't Silver Surfer.

You are clearly trolling.
Just because Surfer can absorb heat and energy doesn't mean he can do so unlimited. You have to show Surfer absorbing the amount of heat that the hv can generate. I listed scans of how powerful the hv can be. The onus is now on you to provide counter proof to show that Surfer can tank the hv without much trouble.

Also what high heralds have Surfer put down with blasts?

burrrrrr
Originally posted by h1a8
You are clearly trolling.


no expression

h1a8
Originally posted by burrrrrr
no expression He basically claiming that Surfer can absorb any amount of heat and energy. If that's not trolling then what is?

panthergod
Originally posted by One-Punch
Absolutely false. That amp wasn't permanent.

It was stated in the comic TWICE that Superman's powers went back to normal. Comics supersede ambiguous editor comments.

Hamilton confirms Superman's power is back to normal.

http://s3.postimg.org/gz88tnl37/hamilton.jpg

Later confirmed again by Martha.

http://s3.postimg.org/70na76bnn/parasite.jpg

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When Superman got his power-up it was made clear he no longer needed to breath in space, and can travel in space without worrying.
http://s12.postimg.org/4vlbwg9ct/P00079.jpg

After losing his power-up Superman needed to breath oxygen again. If his power-up was permanent he would've retained his ability not needing oxygen.

Needs the Motherbox to breathe in space.
http://s12.postimg.org/felblmc0t/P00168.jpg

Can only hold his breath for 2-3 hours:
http://s12.postimg.org/ksk3t61r1/P00055.jpg

Needs oxygen mask to breathe in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/z5djrhlr1/P00081.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ve3z5682l/P00084.jpg

Needs Kyle to create an oxygen mask for him in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/q056xmicd/P00087.jpg

Chokes from lack of air even though he's near the sun:
http://s12.postimg.org/l90q1v04d/P00092.jpg

Superman was consistently portrayed as needing oxygen all the way until he trained with Mongul to expand his lung capacity:
http://s12.postimg.org/9y2nr8in1/P00117.jpg

Like I said, comic books overrule amiguous editor comments, especially if the comments are directly contradicted by the comics.

Either way, he was at least as powerful as he was during Hunter Prey post Mongul training and then was far more powerful when he got powerful enough to tank and match the Omega Beams, which he couldn't do with the Kryptonite X amp, whether temporary or permanent.

Juntai
Originally posted by One-Punch


Epic Illustrated #1 is canon for Surfer:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/meltdown.htm

1. "Epic Illustrated featured a SS story that is in-continuity, as it was cited in the FF Index#4 entry"

And if we check the Official Marvel Index of the Fantastic Four:

Excerpt ... under "Villains"

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24028281_SS_canon1.jpg

Credit to Mr. Master

Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.

You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.

Interesting...


Now, because I want to know your opinion on it here to see if it's changed... is according to bios in comics, marvunapp, OHOTMU and other handbooks, marvel.com, etc, no character in Marvel can exceed lightspeed without jumping into the dimension of hyperspace.

Do you agree with this assessment?

Because in this thread,
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15076674& amp;highlight=hyperspace+userid%3A90125#post150766
74

You wanted to throw all that evidence aside just for the sake of your personal opinion on it.


But now that you think it helps your argument...Boom. There it is.

Juntai
Originally posted by One-Punch
Yet you post a cross-over...hypocrite much?

You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.


Another interesting thing on Marvunapp, beside my last post.

Is that the crossover Abhi posted is canon according to it.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthcrossoverall.htm

Juntai
Originally posted by One-Punch

So?

In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.

Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.

The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.

That's 5 references to 616 continuity.


Just because some events happened the same doesn't mean anything.

Your own evidence is against you repeatedly.


http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appemarvadv.htm

Earth-20051 (Marvel Adventures)
Earth-20051 is the universe ID for the Marvel Adventures (short MA) comics line, which ran from 2005 to 2012. This line replaced the Marvel Age comics line, and "is/was the All Ages line of comics, so the history is fairly simple and there's no significant arcs to follow. This is the universe where everything is happy and nothing hurts. And also, Steve and Tony have basketball dates and go for burgers. The individual histories are essentially the same as in the main continuity, with less complexity and fewer dark themes." Unlike many Marvel lines, every Marvel Adventures comic is designed to tell a stand-alone story.
The lines published under the Marvel Adventures imprint were Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Iron Man, and Spider-Man. The Avengers team in this line was comprised of Iron Man (Tony Stark), Captain America (Steve Rogers), Storm (Ororo Munroe), Giant Girl/The Wasp (Janet Van Dyne), Wolverine (Logan Howlett), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), the Hulk (Bruce Banner).
See Marvel Adventures: Avengers for fandom information.

One-Punch
Originally posted by Juntai
Interesting...


Now, because I want to know your opinion on it here to see if it's changed... is according to bios in comics, marvunapp, OHOTMU and other handbooks, marvel.com, etc, no character in Marvel can exceed lightspeed without jumping into the dimension of hyperspace.

Do you agree with this assessment?

Because in this thread,
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15076674& amp;highlight=hyperspace+userid%3A90125#post150766
74

You wanted to throw all that evidence aside just for the sake of your personal opinion on it.


But now that you think it helps your argument...Boom. There it is.
Bump the best traveling speed feats thread and we'll talk about it.

Should be interesting because Surfer just recently outraced the destruction of the multiverse, literally.
Originally posted by Juntai
Another interesting thing on Marvunapp, beside my last post.

Is that the crossover Abhi posted is canon according to it.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthcrossoverall.htm

Cross-overs aren't allowed on this forum. In fact on the previous page Pr asked abhi to stop posting crossovers.

And TBF that crossover didn't make Surfer look bad either, since in a weakened state Surfer was able to contain the energies of Oa and Parallax combined when Kyle couldn't.


Originally posted by Juntai
Just because some events happened the same doesn't mean anything.

Your own evidence is against you repeatedly.

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appemarvadv.htm

Earth-20051 (Marvel Adventures)
Earth-20051 is the universe ID for the Marvel Adventures (short MA) comics line, which ran from 2005 to 2012. This line replaced the Marvel Age comics line, and "is/was the All Ages line of comics, so the history is fairly simple and there's no significant arcs to follow. This is the universe where everything is happy and nothing hurts. And also, Steve and Tony have basketball dates and go for burgers. The individual histories are essentially the same as in the main continuity, with less complexity and fewer dark themes." Unlike many Marvel lines, every Marvel Adventures comic is designed to tell a stand-alone story.
The lines published under the Marvel Adventures imprint were Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Iron Man, and Spider-Man. The Avengers team in this line was comprised of Iron Man (Tony Stark), Captain America (Steve Rogers), Storm (Ororo Munroe), Giant Girl/The Wasp (Janet Van Dyne), Wolverine (Logan Howlett), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), the Hulk (Bruce Banner).
See Marvel Adventures: Avengers for fandom information.

Marvenunapp specifically states the Marvel Adventures line that ran from 2005 to 2012 was non-canon.

The Marvel Adventures comic I posted was from 1997-1998. As far as I know they make no mention of the stories in this particular line being non-canon. And I do think references to past historical events that happened only in 616 continuity matter.

burrrrrr
Originally posted by h1a8
He basically claiming that Surfer can absorb any amount of heat and energy. If that's not trolling then what is?

Accusing people of trolling because they disagree with you about Superman is one example. erm

panthergod
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Accusing people of trolling because they disagree with you about Superman is one example. erm

It's trolling because they have lost the argument on the merits and are asserting wishful thinking with zero evidence.

Superman has proven to be above Surfer in raw power. Via his superior showings. No amount of lies will change that.

carver9
You don't even believe the stuff you type.

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
You don't even believe the stuff you type.
Is that why you cannot even remotely refute those facts?

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
Is that why you cannot even remotely refute those facts?

Refute what facts?

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
Refute what facts?
So running from proving your stance, then. Ok.

I accept your tacit concession.

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