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Fight takes place in new york city
No morals
Who wins?

Adam tear his face off.

Adam is just too fast for Herc. Not that Adam couldn't win without superspeed, of course.

Originally posted by Star428



Adam is just too fast for Herc. Not that Adam couldn't win without superspeed, of course. I highly doubt that he could win without the super speed. Herc has waaaaaay more strength feats, waaaaay more battles under his belt, and is certainly a better fighter.

Herc could pull some wins bug Adam take the majority.

Originally posted by deathslash
I highly doubt that he could win without the super speed. Herc has waaaaaay more strength feats, waaaaay more battles under his belt, and is certainly a better fighter.
Like what? Which Herald Hercules has beaten?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like what? Which Herald Hercules has beaten? which Herald has Adam beaten? The dude literally gets oneshotted by ultraman and has like four on panel showings and you still support him winning against herc?

Adam treated Shazam like a kid, literally catching his punch.

He also moved moon with Sinestro.

He killed circle of eternity, the same who cursed trinity of sin.

And Ultraman didn't oneshotted Adam.

Wasn't that Ultraman fresh off a boost from Krytp-Coke?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam treated Shazam like a kid, literally catching his punch.

He also moved moon with Sinestro.

He killed circle of eternity, the same who cursed trinity of sin.

And Ultraman didn't oneshotted Adam. Pandora also implied that the Circle of Eternity(who Black Adam killed, mind you) represent a higher power than even Spectre:
http://i.imgur.com/RunWV9y.png

vin

Originally posted by KingD19
Wasn't that Ultraman fresh off a boost from Krytp-Coke? When he fought Black Adam? I don't think so.

The Ultraman/BA fight took place in issue #3. The last time we had seen Ulty snort K-Nite was in issue #1, iirc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam treated Shazam like a kid, literally catching his punch.

He also moved moon with Sinestro.

He killed circle of eternity, the same who cursed trinity of sin.

And Ultraman didn't oneshotted Adam. treating an actual kid with absolutely no experience with his powers like he's a kid is impressive now? Meanwhile, Hercules has thrown down with Thor on multiple occasions, made the destroyer armor stagger from one of his punches, blocked punches from the hulk, fought sentry, and even staggered galactus.

Yep he moved the moon with the help of parallax/ sinestro. So with the help of the cosmic embodiment of fear he managed to move the moon. Meanwhile, Hercules has held the earth and the heavens themselves up for three hours.

He kind of did. Adam was punching him repeatedly and when he finally used his magic lighting, that's when ultraman casually broke his jaw. What's even worse is that he was still unconscious by the time that Luthor came around and had to be saved by black manta.

I'm not saying that Adam loses this fight, but to say that herc can't win even if their speed was equalized is a ludicrous statement.

You forgot to address the Circle of Eternity

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You forgot to address the Circle of Eternity how powerful were the trinity of sin when they were cursed?

Originally posted by Galan007
Pandora also implied that the Circle of Eternity(who Black Adam killed, mind you) represent a higher power than even Spectre:
http://i.imgur.com/RunWV9y.png

vin

When he fought Black Adam? I don't think so.

The Ultraman/BA fight took place in issue #3. The last time we had seen Ulty snort K-Nite was in issue #1, iirc.

Yeah, Pandora implied that but at the same time the Phantom stranger is outright saying that she should be afraid of the spectre. Do we know for sure that they're more powerful than the spectre? Maybe black Adam was more powerful in the past, maybe the circle of eternity are weaker than they're implied as being. All we really know is that for all his hype, Adam casually got his jaw broken by ultraman and was left for dead.

Adam also schooled Spectre as well.

Originally posted by KingD19
Adam also schooled Spectre as well. scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like what? Which Herald Hercules has beaten? Thor

I'm on my phone, but he basically flew/punched through Spectre's face iirc.

That wasn't DCNU Adam. Wrong Adam buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't DCNU Adam. Wrong Adam buddy. #carver'd

lol mindset on fire....

adam wins due to speed. he likely has the better endurance feats too, but with equal speed it's very close. still give an edge to adam, but no more than 6/10.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol mindset on fire....

adam wins due to speed. he likely has the better endurance feats too, but with equal speed it's very close. still give an edge to adam, but no more than 6/10. yep. If their speed was equalized, herc would take almost every fight.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm on my phone, but he basically flew/punched through Spectre's face iirc. I guess that means a street thug beat Spectre in a fight too, since in Year 1, one swung a bat through his face.


Damage to Spectre's physical form means nothing.


His continued talking to Adam like it didn't happen, and then told him he was going to destroy the wizard who enables his power, and then went and did it.

Originally posted by deathslash
treating an actual kid with absolutely no experience with his powers like he's a kid is impressive now?

Yes. Shazam is pretty powerful on his own.



He has stalemated Thor, Destroyer treated him like a child, got his shit pushed in by Hulk, fought a holding back Sentry and never fought Galactus in 616 continuity except in Alpha Flight 100 where Galactus power wasn't working.

Is that supposed to be impressive?



Hercules never held the earth. He just held the heavens which is as unquantifiable as they come.



He wasn't oneshotted. You think getting beaten by Ultraman is low showing? Daredevil has koed Hercules bro.



Yes, he can.

Originally posted by deathslash
yep. If their speed was equalized, herc would take almost every fight.
Hahaha.

Originally posted by deathslash
yep. If their speed was equalized, herc would take almost every fight.



LOL. No. He would be lucky to get more than a few wins against Adam.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Shazam is pretty powerful on his own.



He has stalemated Thor, Destroyer treated him like a child, got his shit pushed in by Hulk, fought a holding back Sentry and never fought Galactus in 616 continuity except in Alpha Flight 100 where Galactus power wasn't working.

Is that supposed to be impressive?



Hercules never held the earth. He just held the heavens which is as unquantifiable as they come.



He wasn't oneshotted. You think getting beaten by Ultraman is low showing? Daredevil has koed Hercules bro.



Yes, he can. it's really not that impressive. Sure Billy is powerful, but when you're talking about two characters with the same powerset, of course the much more experienced one is gonna make the new kid on the block look like a weakling. That's like saying that it's impressive that earth 2 superman owned earth 1 superman. One character has clearly reached the peak of what both of them are capable of accomplishing and has decades of experience over the other.

Yeah. Stalemated thor, shaking the destroyer armor and briefly having the upper hand against the hulk are all impressive. The sentry fight brings out one aspect of Hercules that Adam won't be prepared for. Herc is a dirty fighter and will do almost anything to win. Do you think adam's prepared for receiving crotch shots, nipple twisters, getting swung around by his cape, or getting his hood pulled over his eyes?

Actually, yes he did. I can't remember the issue number at the moment so I'll probably look for it tomorrow. Anyway, holding the heavens>>>>>>>>> pushing the moon. Hercules has also pulled new york, held Manhattan together, and casually lifted Manhattan just to dump Thor into the water. Adam only has like four or five strength feats to his name right now (and his biggest one consists of receiving help from parallax).

A character goes all out, unleashes multiple punches and his ultimate attack and get his jaw casually broken for his efforts and has to be rescued by black manta and is still only semi conscious next issue and you don't call it being oneshotted? Maybe I'm crazy or maybe you are, so may you please post the scans of the "fight" so that we can both see a clear picture of what happened and move on? I'm also gonna need scans of that fight with "Daredevil" (or at least an issue number).

No, can't.

Originally posted by deathslash
yep. If their speed was equalized, herc would take almost every fight. How? BA is vastly stronger than Hercules. It's like a little child fighting a grown man.

Originally posted by deathslash
it's really not that impressive. Sure Billy is powerful, but when you're talking about two characters with the same powerset, of course the much more experienced one is gonna make the new kid on the block look like a weakling. That's like saying that it's impressive that earth 2 superman owned earth 1 superman. One character has clearly reached the peak of what both of them are capable of accomplishing and has decades of experience over the other.

They are not at the same powerlevel. Adam is clearly stronger than him at the point.



When did he ever had an upper hand on Hulk?

Yes. He is a much brutal fighter than Herc too.



No, it is not.



Both of them are non canon.

Nah, Ultraman fought him for several pages and with several attacks.

Do not have the scans atm.





http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107619/2066151-ddca.jpg

Daredevil 156.


Laughable. Hercules isn't strong enough to beat him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107619/2066151-ddca.jpg

Daredevil 156.

Such a KO. Such... ABHI.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/5e8219f50d2e9ba298a94aa54a6c1907/egpokew/Cd0mvttqe/tumblr_static_264px-doge__1_.jpg

The following page:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dd155-7-620x886.jpg

#abhilies

The 'battle' took place in Daredevil v1 #155-156:
http://i.imgur.com/x0fCQnW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FNTap6X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XVawaaN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lFeKVos.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6Gbt3MT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WPiZXkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vkf2qiI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a8apFDY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hGJAkH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vh3EcSp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ocCNGSQ.jpg

Abhi will now pretend this thread never existed.

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'battle' took place in Daredevil v1 #155-156:
http://i.imgur.com/x0fCQnW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FNTap6X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XVawaaN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lFeKVos.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6Gbt3MT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WPiZXkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vkf2qiI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a8apFDY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hGJAkH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vh3EcSp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ocCNGSQ.jpg so it was just herc getting hit in the back with captain America's shield?

Edit: also, thanks for the scans galan. I knew that abhi was probably leaving out some context.

For every lie he tells, abhi should receive a month-long ban.

Originally posted by h1a8
How? BA is vastly stronger than Hercules. It's like a little child fighting a grown man.

Based on?

Originally posted by carver9
Based on?

H1 knows some really beefy, hairy children.

...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Such a KO. Such... ABHI.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/5e8219f50d2e9ba298a94aa54a6c1907/egpokew/Cd0mvttqe/tumblr_static_264px-doge__1_.jpg

The following page:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dd155-7-620x886.jpg

#abhilies


Originally posted by Galan007
The 'battle' took place in Daredevil v1 #155-156:
http://i.imgur.com/x0fCQnW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FNTap6X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XVawaaN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lFeKVos.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6Gbt3MT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WPiZXkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vkf2qiI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a8apFDY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hGJAkH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vh3EcSp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ocCNGSQ.jpg



I'm shocked.

Tbh, I' m shocked at abhi as well. This was...pretty blatant.

Nu adam won't get any good feats till his movie comes out

Oh, yeah. Can galan or somebody else that has scans of the adam/ultraman fight please post them? I'd like to see if Adam really didn't get oneshotted.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Such a KO. Such... ABHI.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/5e8219f50d2e9ba298a94aa54a6c1907/egpokew/Cd0mvttqe/tumblr_static_264px-doge__1_.jpg

The following page:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dd155-7-620x886.jpg

#abhilies
He took him out of the fight. The next fight was between him and Widow with all three Beast, Cap and Herc absent.

Herc was probably just sleeping at that point, right? Originally posted by deathslash
so it was just herc getting hit in the back with captain America's shield?

Edit: also, thanks for the scans galan. I knew that abhi was probably leaving out some context.
Yeah, I just went ahead and informed the issue number for shits and giggles.

Matt took everyone out except widow. Heck, Hercules even feeling a shield toss by him is a worse than anything. Widow took one and was just fine.

You should read the issue first.

Think ABHI forgot that Super Woman was ripping the skin from Adam face.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/sinestro-and-black-adam-vs-mazahs-3.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
Oh, yeah. Can galan or somebody else that has scans of the adam/ultraman fight please post them? I'd like to see if Adam really didn't get oneshotted.

It wasn't a one shot.

Originally posted by carver9
Think ABHI forgot that Super Woman was ripping the skin from Adam face.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/sinestro-and-black-adam-vs-mazahs-3.jpg
A wounded Adam? Shocker!!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
A wounded Adam? Shocker!!!! what does being wounded have to do with it? If superman got his arm broken by zod, does that mean that faora should now be capable of casually ripping the flesh from his arm?

Originally posted by deathslash
what does being wounded have to do with it? If superman got his arm broken by zod, does that mean that faora should now be capable of casually ripping the flesh from his arm?
Wounded character are generally treated as weakened in comics.

You should read comics.

Originally posted by deathslash
Oh, yeah. Can galan or somebody else that has scans of the adam/ultraman fight please post them? I'd like to see if Adam really didn't get oneshotted. Their battle began in Justice League #24:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239609_Justice_League_2011-_024-017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239610_Justice_League_2011-_024-018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239611_Justice_League_2011-_024-019.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239612_Justice_League_2011-_024-020.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239613_Justice_League_2011-_024-021.jpg


And continued/concluded in Forever Evil #3:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239601_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239602_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239606_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239608_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-012.jpg


^^That is the entirety of what we saw on-panel.

http://i.imgur.com/IO5DqHC.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Their battle began in Justice League #24:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239609_Justice_League_2011-_024-017.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239610_Justice_League_2011-_024-018.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239611_Justice_League_2011-_024-019.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239612_Justice_League_2011-_024-020.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239613_Justice_League_2011-_024-021.jpg


And continued/concluded in Forever Evil #3:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239601_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239602_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239606_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24239608_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-012.jpg


^^That is the entirety of what we saw on-panel. thanks man. As always, you remain one of the more reliable posters.

So I'll concede that it wasn't a oneshot. However, Adam was most certainly getting dominated. Also, isn't ultraman only a high herald? By the way that Adam got owned, does that mean that he's mid Herald in the new 52?

Mid low herald? But captain marvel did that superman when they fought....and adam wrecked marvel

Ultraman>Black Adam>Captain Marvel>Superman

Based on their fights in 52

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Mid low herald? But captain marvel did that superman when they fought....and adam wrecked marvel

Ultraman>Black Adam>Captain Marvel>Superman

Based on their fights in 52 abc logic still doesn't work. We all know that superman tends to hold back when he fights someone and their fight was also pretty short. Billy was also completely new to his powers when he fought adam.

Ultra man is an alternate Superman willing to go all out me readily. Adam is easily Elite top tier, Ultraman is easily Thanos class when he cuts loose, just like Superman.

Black Adam

Super speed on top of super strength and Herc will have difficulties trying to counter the super speed.

Is not a comic book fight but a forum fight. PIS it will not be involved. CIS will be involved, but super speed is a potential viable tactic that BA could exploit eventually.

BA wins 9.9/10 the only chance Herc has is wining by a lucky shot before BA remembers that he has the speed advantage .

Originally posted by panthergod
Ultra man is an alternate Superman willing to go all out me readily. Adam is easily Elite top tier, Ultraman is easily Thanos class when he cuts loose, just like Superman.



Thanos class? I think you're exaggerating a bit. You're exactly right about Adam though.

Originally posted by Star428
Thanos class? I think you're exaggerating a bit. You're exactly right about Adam though.

You're right.

I am exaggerating Thanos' strength, who has never done anything comparable to breaking an Elite top tier's bones by squeezing his fist.

Adam could win via BFR seeing as how Hercules is a land based brick. Otherwise Adam is phucked.

Hercs stronger, more durable, more experienced as a fighter, and he should be immune to Adam's electrical attacks.

The Marvel family is highly overrated.

LOL. It's hard to overrate characters who've held their own against Superman on more than one occasion. Clark himself told Captain Marvel that he was his equal in every way and Marvel demonstrated that Clark was right when he went toe-to-toe with an eclipsed non-holding back Superman for an entire comic. BA is even more dangerous than Marvel. Adam wins here even if speed was equalized, which it isn't, so Herc would be damn lucky to get a single win out of ten.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. It's hard to overrate characters who've held their own against Superman on more than one occasion. Clark himself told Captain Marvel that he was his equal in every way and Marvel demonstrated that Clark was right when he went toe-to-toe with an eclipsed non-holding back Superman for an entire comic. BA is even more dangerous than Marvel. Adam wins here even if speed was equalized, which it isn't, so Herc would be damn lucky to get a single win out of ten. bro........ This is new 52. Both Adam and Billy don't have even half the amount of showings that they used to have and their current showings (overall) also aren't as impressive as they used to be.

Edit: I also just want to say one more thing. The transitive property doesn't f*cking work in comics.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. It's hard to overrate characters who've held their own against Superman on more than one occasion. Clark himself told Captain Marvel that he was his equal in every way and Marvel demonstrated that Clark was right when he went toe-to-toe with an eclipsed non-holding back Superman for an entire comic. BA is even more dangerous than Marvel. Adam wins here even if speed was equalized, which it isn't, so Herc would be damn lucky to get a single win out of ten.
You do realize that Superman holds back............a lot especially when facing other heroes?

The Marvels are Mid Heralds at best.

Originally posted by zopzop
You do realize that Superman holds back............a lot especially when facing other heroes?

The Marvels are Mid Heralds at best. you really shouldn't even bother with responding to that post. This guy is using feats from before flashpoint even though this is clearly new 52 black adam. He's essentially arguing for a nearly featless version of Adam and also using abc logic to conclude that Adam is on above Hercules.

On a side note, aren't you one of the more knowledgeable posters when it comes to Marvel gods? Do you have any good durability, combat, or strength feats for herc?

Originally posted by deathslash
On a side note, aren't you one of the more knowledgeable posters when it comes to Marvel gods? Do you have any good durability, combat, or strength feats for herc?
Nah, Rage and ODG are the resident Marvel Gods experts.

But I do know that Hercules , unlike Glass Jaw Adam, has been PUMMELED on by some of the highest of high heralds and never had any lasting damage done to him.

Ares possessed Masterson Thor sucker attacked Hercules with a Mjolnir strike to the back of his head and Herc got up, turned around, and asked him if he was feeling ok.

Hercs gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk for prolonged periods of time suffering no damage at all. Hell, I could have sworn WWH admitted Hercules was one of the few people that could have stopped his rampage if he made the attempt.

There are more examples but you get the point.

BA turns him into a ping pong table.

Originally posted by deathslash
So I'll concede that it wasn't a oneshot. However, Adam was most certainly getting dominated. Also, isn't ultraman only a high herald? By the way that Adam got owned, does that mean that he's mid Herald in the new 52? In all honesty, I do view Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Superman in the same tier. IF there is a difference between them, I don't think it's by any significant margin... That is to say: if/when they fight in a comic, it is always going to be a near-stalemate. That said, I would personally place them in the high-herald tier.

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, I do view Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Superman in the same tier. IF there is a difference between them, I don't think it's by any significant margin... That is to say: if/when they fight in a comic, it is always going to be a near-stalemate. That said, I would personally place them in the high-herald tier.

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule.

Has nu adam and marvel been stated as being equal to clark?

Nope. Superman directly overpowered SHAZAM when they fought and pre Flashpoint Superman was clearly more powerful than Captain Marvel on average since he accessed his full potential-- which was later amped further post OYL-- in OWAW.

Originally posted by panthergod
Nope. Superman directly overpowered SHAZAM when they fought and pre Flashpoint Superman was clearly more powerful than Captain Marvel on average since he accessed his full potential-- which was later amped further post OYL-- in OWAW.

Never happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, I do view Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Superman in the same tier. IF there is a difference between them, I don't think it's by any significant margin... That is to say: if/when they fight in a comic, it is always going to be a near-stalemate. That said, I would personally place them in the high-herald tier.

But then the question arises: "Well if BA is a high-herald, how was a Superman analogue(ie. Ultraman) able to dominate him with relative ease?" Imo, it's because the evildoers from Earth-3 were more powerful than the heroes of Earth-0 in general--that was stated a few different times throughout the series, after all. IOW, your average Ultraman would be more powerful than your average Superman.

...Just my opinion, and totally open to ridicule.

Sheer idiocy

I love how confident carver is too. Obv with comics that have been released in the past five years and have been posted in the respect thread, he is without peer

Originally posted by carver9
Never happened.

You aren't in a position to challenge anything I say on this subject.

Originally posted by panthergod
You aren't in a position to challenge anything I say on this subject.

Provide scans please.

nu adam? hrm. the nu characters are going against guys with 50yrs of history... still, all powers in play, adam wins. equal speed i'd take herc vs nu adam for a majority. nu adam/marvels were/have been....disappointing imo. and unlike thor, herc has NEVER been dominated by hulk in h2h combat.