Peak Power Onslaught vs H/P Doomsday...

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TheLordofMurder
Onslaught as he was at the end of the Onslaught Saga vs H/P Doomsday at his very best...

Battle to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed on an indestructible planet...

Who wins?

Insane Titan
Doomsday wins, Onslaught actually did NOTHING to say he can beat the likes of HP Doomsday. Hype and potential don't get the win.

Estacado
Onslaught was kinda weaksauce phisically Cyclops managed to breach his armor.IIRC...ermm

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Doomsday wins, Onslaught actually did NOTHING to say he can beat the likes of HP Doomsday. Hype and potential don't get the win.

You know physically, I completely agree with you...

However, the heroes who battled Onslaught were prepped with extreme psionic defense's; without that, the heroes would have been defeated before the battle ever started...

What feats does Doomsday have against extreme psionic attack?

Genii96
And onslaught actually wanted it's armour breached anyway...onslaught had the powers of franklin,nate and xavier.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Genii96
And onslaught actually wanted it's armour breached anyway...onslaught had the powers of franklin,nate and xavier.

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carver9
Nothing was ever said about him wanting his armor breached. Anyways, Onslaught beats Doomsday to death. Hulk and Onslaught was punching each other so hard that the shockwaves were pushing all of Earth hero's back. Had some of them flying off. Some were struggling to advance. Everyone out there, including the most powerful of Heralds were in fear. Doomsday is strong but not that strong. Onslaught kills him.

carver9
Originally posted by Estacado
Onslaught was kinda weaksauce phisically Cyclops managed to breach his armor.IIRC...ermm

Everything about Onslaught was heightened when he receive the amp from Nate and Franklin.

Galan007
Doomsday.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday.

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TheLordofMurder
Open question to everyone who believes Doomsday wins...

What feats does Doomsday have against extreme psionic attack? With Onslaught you basically have Xavier leeching Franklin and Nates power to bolster his psionic abilities...

Unless Doomsday has some extreme psionic defenses, this fight is over the moment the words "fight" appears on the screen...

So lets see some feats against psionics from Doomsday and compare them with what is needed to beat off Onslaughts psionic assault...


Btw, hasnt Doomsday been mind controlled before?

Galan007
First: what is Onslaught's best psionic feat? I don't care what levels of power he could theoretically access--I want to know what feats he has actually performed.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Genii96
And onslaught actually wanted it's armour breached anyway...onslaught had the powers of franklin,nate and xavier. He did nothing battle wise with their powers to beat Doomsday, you think creating a sun is gonna help him lol.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
First: what is Onslaught's best psionic feat? I don't care what levels of power he could theoretically access--I want to know what feats he has actually performed.

Onslaught has lots of psionic feats...

1st off he defeated the Fantastic Four with a psionic blast and then went on to taught them demonstrating that he could just think and mindrape them to the point that their powers didnt work...

He mind controlled Hulk...

He unleashed a psionic storm that would have killed the Avengers and some of the Xmen had it not been for Cable and Susan Storm...

And thats just for starters...


Now, back to my question for the 3rd time that no one here can seem to answer, what feats of resisting psionic attack does Doomsday have?

Because unless they are good, I see no reason why Onslaught with full access to Nate and Franklins power simply cant mindrape Doomsday instantly and end the fight immediately...

And once again, hasnt Doomsday been mind controlled on panel? I am pretty sure he was...

TheLordofMurder
And I am correct...

Doomsday HAS been mind controlled before; Brainiac got him once...

Now if Brainiac was able to mind control HP Doomsday, what makes you think a psionic specialist backed by Nate and Franklins power cant do it?

TheLordofMurder
Now, who all voted for HP Doomsday beating Onslaught despite the truth of the above?

Dont be shy...

DarkSaint85
Brainiac is multiversal, so you'd have to prove that what Onsalught did is beyond Brainiac....

Martian Manhunter, who can do what you have detailed, was defeated when he tried to use telepathy on Doomsday.

Edit: It was a weaker Doomsday as well.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Estacado
Onslaught was kinda weaksauce phisically Cyclops managed to breach his armor.IIRC...ermm

You ****ing what?

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Brainiac is multiversal, so you'd have to prove that what Onsalught did is beyond Brainiac....

Martian Manhunter, who can do what you have detailed, was defeated when he tried to use telepathy on Doomsday.

Edit: It was a weaker Doomsday as well.

Onslaught is backed by Franklin and Nate here...

That should be enough...


Besides, IMHO, Xavier>>Martian Manhunter; Xavier+Franklin+Nate vs MM is horrific spite against Mm...

And no, MM is not creating a psionic storm capable of killing the Avengers...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Brainiac is multiversal, so you'd have to prove that what Onsalught did is beyond Brainiac....

Martian Manhunter, who can do what you have detailed, was defeated when he tried to use telepathy on Doomsday.

Edit: It was a weaker Doomsday as well.

So, are you saying that Doomdays best feat of TP resistance was resisting Martian Manhunter?

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Brainiac is multiversal, so you'd have to prove that what Onsalught did is beyond Brainiac....

Martian Manhunter, who can do what you have detailed, was defeated when he tried to use telepathy on Doomsday.

Edit: It was a weaker Doomsday as well.

One more thing...

Based on what we know these are the facts:

1) Doomsday is vulnerable to Mind Control...

2) Martian Manhunter is not powerful enough to control him...

3) Brainiac is powerful enough to control him...


These facts dont automatically add to one needing to be multiversal to mind control Doomsday...

So far, the only feat of TP resistance you've brought forth is that Martian Manhunters power is not enough to control Doomsday...

Onslaught leeching Franklin and Nate is far beyond Martian Manhunter...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
One more thing...

Based on what we know these are the facts:

1) Doomsday is vulnerable to Mind Control...

2) Martian Manhunter is not powerful enough to control him...

3) Brainiac is powerful enough to control him...


These facts dont automatically add to one needing to be multiversal to mind control Doomsday...

So far, the only feat of TP resistance you've brought forth is that Martian Manhunters power is not enough to control Doomsday...

Onslaught leeching Franklin and Nate is far beyond Martian Manhunter...

But based on actual feats, not hype, Onslaught has not done anything that MM can't replicate. Not, 'oh, Xavier+Franklin + XX' hype, actual feats.

Hulk, when he had his intelligence turned off, was too much for Onslaught to control.

Which shows that H/P Doomsday, lacking the intelligence, would be too much for Onslaught.

Not to mention, it was a WEAKER Doomsday that resisted MM.

Brainiac, despite being multiversal, was actually WEAKENING in his control DESPITE his best efforts.

carver9
Why is Brainiac multiversal? What has he done? Would you say Doomsday was as strong as that version of Hulk that fought Onslaught?

DarkSaint85
Retcon as of the recent DC storyline

carver9
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DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing was ever said about him wanting his armor breached.

True.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3623490-thormjolnir177-strikingpoweruncanny_super.jpg

For Pr:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2714345-optic_blasts_4.jpg

One hardly needs Doomsday Rex level of power to break him, let alone H/P Doomsday.

DarkSaint85
This is the Brainiac showing, btw. And even then, he was unable to control him for long:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35308/3522495-doomswar083.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3623490-thormjolnir177-strikingpoweruncanny_super.jpg

For Pr:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2714345-optic_blasts_4.jpg

One hardly needs Doomsday Rex level of power to break him, let alone H/P Doomsday.

Is that the same one that had Nate and Franklin powers in him (I already know the answer to that question).?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Is that the same one that had Nate and Franklin powers in him (I already know the answer to that question).?

What did he do with said powers to bolster his durability?

And if Cyclops/IW (meta tiers here) can damage pre-Nate/Franklin, what do you think a guy with skyfather tier -level strength could do?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What did he do with said powers to bolster his durability?

And if Cyclops/IW (meta tiers here) can damage pre-Nate/Franklin, what do you think a guy with skyfather tier -level strength could do?

The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

Wait, are you using collateral damage to judge a fight, dear carver?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't debate off of collateral damage. Dark does (whenever it suits him).

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

Originally posted by carver9


Aegis took Galactus out with a blast that didn't even raise the dirt under their ft.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/84223/1841553-1070333_annihilation1_029_super_1_.jpg

Surfer hits Ravenous with an attack that levels a planet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3938510-5992836642-35100.jpg

Which attack is more powerful?

Wise words, carver. Wise words. Wait, are you trying to say collateral damage does not count? Or it DOES count? I get so confused sometimes.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, are you using collateral damage to judge a fight, dear carver?

No, not collateral damage. I brought up "putting fear in everyone's heart" for a reason. It's also obvious that Hulk power output is higher than Cyclops. Especially Mindless Hulk unless you think Cyclops optic blast is>>> Hulk punches?

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the Brainiac showing, btw. And even then, he was unable to control him for long:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35308/3522495-doomswar083.jpg

thumb up Yep, it is a pretty shitty showing for Doomsday to be mind controlled by Brainiac a guy who basically created an exact Supearman construct replica on earth while in a comatose state and under supervision of Metron in New Genesis.

After all is not like he one shotted the New Gods when he woke up from the coma.

I mean the distance from New Genesis to Earth is minimal and to create an exact body replica of Superman while in a comatose state is something any psionic character can do. erm

Also is not like he hasn't mind raped psionic characters like Dubilex for example.

Oh also is not like DD wasn't weakened from near death by entrophy right?

80sBaby
Assuming DD is strong enough to breach Onslaught's armor, what then? He's now facing an enemy comprised of pure psionic energy.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Assuming DD is strong enough to breach Onslaught's armor, what then? He's now facing an enemy comprised of pure psionic energy.

energy?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4163/snapshot074012.jpg

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
energy?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4163/snapshot074012.jpg

thumb up yep! Is not like Radiant and Waveryder are made of energy. Also is not like he can mess with GL energies.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
No, not collateral damage. I brought up "putting fear in everyone's heart" for a reason. It's also obvious that Hulk power output is higher than Cyclops. Especially Mindless Hulk unless you think Cyclops optic blast is>>> Hulk punches?

So why bring up shockwaves? And 'struggling to advance'?

I don't know who has more power, I am just posting what limited showings Onslaught has, in a canon comic.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why bring up shockwaves? And 'struggling to advance'?

I don't know who has more power, I am just posting what limited showings Onslaught has, in a canon comic.

You posted a weaker version of Onslaught though which is the reason I pointed you out.

Insane Titan
So all but Carver believe DD beats the over hyped Onslaught.

Genii96
Pretty sure more believe onslaught wins...and after hulk broke his armour,onslaught was rather happy...judging by the amount of psionic abilities he possesses,and his reality warping powers,I'd give him the win.....

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But based on actual feats, not hype, Onslaught has not done anything that MM can't replicate. Not, 'oh, Xavier+Franklin + XX' hype, actual feats.

Hulk, when he had his intelligence turned off, was too much for Onslaught to control.

Which shows that H/P Doomsday, lacking the intelligence, would be too much for Onslaught.

Not to mention, it was a WEAKER Doomsday that resisted MM.

Brainiac, despite being multiversal, was actually WEAKENING in his control DESPITE his best efforts.

No DarkSaint, why do you keep saying that MM can replicate Onslaughts psionic feats? You know its not true...tell me, can MM create a psionic storm capable of killing all of the Avengers? You know the answer to that...


Also, the hero's that faced Onslaught at the end of the original storyline were prepped with psionic resistance before the start of battle...they did it because it would have been over before it started without it.

So you saying that mindless Hulk was beyond his control was completely wrong as all the hero's were prepped against psionic attack before hand...DD doesnt have any prep here.


So, once again, why cant an Xavier level telepath leeching Franklin and Nate not be capable of mind controlling Doomsday?

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Genii96
Pretty sure more believe onslaught wins...and after hulk broke his armour,onslaught was rather happy...judging by the amount of psionic abilities he possesses,and his reality warping powers,I'd give him the win..... you think his energy form will effect Doomsday when he's dealt with similar and won. What great psionic showing? His warping power lol creating a sun in battle won't do shit to Doomsday. Onslaught needs feats not hype to win.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
energy?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4163/snapshot074012.jpg

You are being misleading here...

That only worked because Doomsday evolved specifically against the Radiant...

Doomsday has never faced Onslaught before and that wont work against him...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No DarkSaint, why do you keep saying that MM can replicate Onslaughts psionic feats? You know its not true...tell me, can MM create a psionic storm capable of killing all of the Avengers? You know the answer to that...


Also, the hero's that faced Onslaught at the end of the original storyline were prepped with psionic resistance before the start of battle...they did it because it would have been over before it started without it.

So you saying that mindless Hulk was beyond his control was completely wrong as all the hero's were prepped against psionic attack before hand...DD doesnt have any prep here.


So, once again, why cant an Xavier level telepath leeching Franklin and Nate not be capable of mind controlling Doomsday?

So are you saying Onslaught's best feat was the psionic storm? Nothing else?

Black Lantern MM's telepathy was doing this to an amped Flash (who, unamped, has pretty good TP feats), Larfleeze, Atrocitus, Hal, and amped Wonder Woman, and two Guardians of Oa (who also are pretty powerful in their own right):
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2840452-blackest_night__8_008.jpg

Reason why I am saying it, is because he never showed what he did with Franklin/Nate's powers, which is what Galan was asking all this time. Feats, not hyperbole - after all, Colossaunaut, Sodom Yat et al would be incredible trans characters, IF their amps stacked as they should do on paper.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
you think his energy form will effect Doomsday when he's dealt with similar and won. What great psionic showing? His warping power lol creating a sun in battle won't do shit to Doomsday. Onslaught needs feats not hype to win.

The point is that Doomsday has no answer to Onslaughts energy form; Doomsdays trick worked against the Radiant because he'd faced him before and evolved a counter specifically for him...

It would be Doomsdays 1st time facing Onslaught and Doomsday would have no pre-existing daptation against him...

-Pr-
Cyclops breaking already cracked armour is NOT a low showing. WTF.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are being misleading here...

That only worked because Doomsday evolved specifically against the Radiant...

Doomsday has never faced Onslaught before and that wont work against him...

He has faced psionic energy before - and was defeating Brainiac when Brainy tried. He later on faced MM, who tried mental attacks, and wtfpwned him.

Unless Onslaught one shot kills Doomsday, which we haven't seen any psionic feats from him to say that he can. He CAN, however, create suns to try and kill Doomsday - but he has already faced better.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So are you saying Onslaught's best feat was the psionic storm? Nothing else?

Black Lantern MM's telepathy was doing this to an amped Flash (who, unamped, has pretty good TP feats), Larfleeze, Atrocitus, Hal, and amped Wonder Woman, and two Guardians of Oa (who also are pretty powerful in their own right):
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2840452-blackest_night__8_008.jpg

Reason why I am saying it, is because he never showed what he did with Franklin/Nate's powers, which is what Galan was asking all this time. Feats, not hyperbole - after all, Colossaunaut, Sodom Yat et al would be incredible trans characters, IF their amps stacked as they should do on paper.

Oh no, Onslaught was capable of more; he could created psionic constructs of apparently anyone...

Whats to stop Onslaught from making a psionic construct of HP Doomsday and then the two of them double team the real Doomsday?

There is no PIS to prevent this from happening here...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh no, Onslaught was capable of more; he could created psionic constructs of apparently anyone...

Whats to stop Onslaught from making a psionic construct of HP Doomsday and then the two of them double team the real Doomsday?

There is no PIS to prevent this from happening here...


So please, list out the greatest feats of Onslaught's psi-powers.

CIS is still there, though.

I agree, there is nothing stopping Onslaught from creating a psionic energy version of Doomsday.

Whilst that Doomsday fights the real Doomsday, he will adapt to the energy, and rip Onslaught a new hole.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpg

He does not need to die in order to adapt to energies.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So please, list out the greatest feats of Onslaught's psi-powers.

CIS is still there, though.

I agree, there is nothing stopping Onslaught from creating a psionic energy version of Doomsday.

Whilst that Doomsday fights the real Doomsday, he will adapt to the energy, and rip Onslaught a new hole.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpg

He does not need to die in order to adapt to energies.

That just means Onslaught has to destroy Doomsday with reality warp while the doppleganger distracts him...

Of course I'm still convinced that without psionic shielding (which the hero's had and Doomsday doesnt), Onslaught ends the battle immediately via psionic attack...

Rao Kal El
IIRC Maxima also asaulted DD with psionics.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
IIRC Maxima also asaulted DD with psionics.

Maxima is also no where near Xavier+Nate+Franklin in ability...

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Maxima is also no where near Xavier+Nate+Franklin in ability...

You were asking if he has faced psionics before, which will give him an edge against psionic attacks.

He has faced psionics in the past, so there is nothing new that DD hasn't evolved or could adapt on the fly.

So he has faced psionics and he has faced energy beings two things that he has shown to adapt on the fly as well. What is OS going to do? Atacking him with an psionic energy construct or mind rape him? None of those will work and if they work for a minute he will adapt on the fly like he did vs waveryder.

carver9
Did Doomsday ever adapt to Superman punches?

Adam Grimes
Doomsday adapts and eats him.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by carver9
Did Doomsday ever adapt to Superman punches?

Yes, didn't you read Hunter prey and Doomsday wars?

Hunter prey was a masively amped Superman

Doomsday wars, Superman barely did anything to him.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You were asking if he has faced psionics before, which will give him an edge against psionic attacks.

He has faced psionics in the past, so there is nothing new that DD hasn't evolved or could adapt on the fly.

So he has faced psionics and he has faced energy beings two things that he has shown to adapt on the fly as well. What is OS going to do? Atacking him with an psionic energy construct or mind rape him? None of those will work and if they work for a minute he will adapt on the fly like he did vs waveryder.

They only need to work for a minute...

Thats more than enough time for Onslaught to reality warp Doomsday into a sun and end the battle...

carver9
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, didn't you read Hunter prey and Doomsday wars?

Hunter prey was a masively amped Superman

Doomsday wars, Superman barely did anything to him.

Superman sliced through him which is physical damage. Superman also punched blood out of his mouth which is physical damage as well.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The point is that Doomsday has no answer to Onslaughts energy form; Doomsdays trick worked against the Radiant because he'd faced him before and evolved a counter specifically for him...

It would be Doomsdays 1st time facing Onslaught and Doomsday would have no pre-existing daptation against him... Lmao, do you even understand how HP DD worked.

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Maxima is also no where near Xavier+Nate+Franklin in ability... Where feats are concerned, Onslaught is nowhere near Xavier+Nate+Franklin in ability, lol.

carver9
Onslaught TP fts were better than Xavier which tells us that he can feed off of ALL THE power he possess within him.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
They only need to work for a minute...

Thats more than enough time for Onslaught to reality warp Doomsday into a sun and end the battle...

Your OP says no BFR erm

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lmao, do you even understand how HP DD worked.

Of course I do...do you?

I also understand that Onslaught is very formidible; something that you dont seem to appreciate...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Your OP says no BFR erm

Who said anything about BFR; Onslaught could just reality warp Doomsday into a star...game over.

Franklins reality warp is vast; there is no PIS to prevent this from happening...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Where feats are concerned, Onslaught is nowhere near Xavier+Nate+Franklin in ability, lol.

Can maxima create psionic dopplegangers of anyone?

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by carver9
Superman sliced through him which is physical damage. Superman also punched blood out of his mouth which is physical damage as well.

Sliced with MASSIVE amp.

And if you want to compare performances of Superman vs DD I am sure there is a huge difference on how he performed on DOS vs how he performed on HP and DW.

Btw the blood might have been a mistake as DD is not suppose to have body fluids smile

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Of course I do...do you?

I also understand that Onslaught is very formidible; something that you dont seem to appreciate... you only seem to know about Onslaughts POWERSET and he could possibly do, you don't have anything fear wise capable of beating this Doomsday.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Sliced with MASSIVE amp.

And if you want to compare performances of Superman vs DD I am sure there is a huge difference on how he performed on DOS vs how he performed on HP and DW.

Btw the blood might have been a mistake as DD is not suppose to have body fluids smile Funny carver using DD's mouth bleeding as ammo for his argument, yet She Hulk and Thing busting WW Hulks mouth open means shit.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
you only seem to know about Onslaughts POWERSET and he could possibly do, you don't have anything fear wise capable of beating this Doomsday.

Whats to stop Onslaught from creating a psionic doppleganger of HP Doomsday, then using the distraction provided, to reality warp HP into a star?

Nothing...nothing at all.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Who said anything about BFR; Onslaught could just reality warp Doomsday into a star...game over.

Franklins reality warp is vast; there is no PIS to prevent this from happening... Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Can maxima create psionic dopplegangers of anyone?

The response is on itself.

Maxima mind raped a guy who in a comatose state created a Superman duplicate.

So with OS we are dealing with the Sodam Yat sindrome a lot of hype but featless

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
The response is on itself.

Maxima mind raped a guy who in a comatose state created a Superman duplicate.

So with OS we are dealing with the Sodam Yat sindrome a lot of hype but featless

??

Onslaught created a 2nd sun simply by willing it into existance...

So why cant he turn that power directly onto Doomsday and will him into a star?

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Can maxima create psionic dopplegangers of anyone? Originally posted by Galan007
Section IV: Other Psionic Abilities (continued)


Aside from the above abilities, Maxima also had the ability to create avatars of herself (or simulacrums as she calls them) which possessed powers similar to her own, in order to act in situations when she cannot be present. She created these vessels by placing some of her psychic energies into them:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_maxima_avatar1.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_maxima_avatar2.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_maxima_avatar3.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_maxima_avatar4.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_maxima_avatar5.jpg

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Whats to stop Onslaught from creating a psionic doppleganger of HP Doomsday, then using the distraction provided, to reality warp HP into a star?

Nothing...nothing at all. Show me Onslaught warping someone into a star

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007


Ok great, so the answer to my question is no... thumb up

She can NOT create a psionic doppleganger of virtually anyone... thumb up

Rao Kal El
Also about the sun
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, throw a creature who is nourished by solar energy into the sun:
http://i.imgur.com/1tvaPn0.png

...That'll kill it!!! durpalm

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok great, so the answer to my question is no... thumb up

She can NOT create a psionic doppleganger of virtually anyone... thumb up You're digging really, really deep.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Show me Onslaught warping someone into a star

Dont need to; him creating a star at will is a testament to his vast reality warp...

There is no reason why he cant do this to Doomsday...

Tell me, does the Living Tribunal have to reality warp someone into a star before to provide evidence he can do it? Well why not, he's never done that to anyone on panel...

LoL to your attempt at the creation of a strawman; weak argument...

The fact is that via leeching Franklin, Onslaughts reality warp is enormous on a Solar scale; Doomsday has been harmed by those possessing far, far, less power than Peak Power Onslaught...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
You're digging really, really deep.

No, you are the one thats digging and reaching:


Me: Can Maxima create a psionic doppleganger of anyone?

You: No, but she can make them of herself...

Me: Thanks for proving my point...

You: Your reaching!!!

Me: LoL...

carver9
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Also about the sun

Doesn't have to kill him...it'll trap him in there forever.

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No, you are the one thats digging and reaching:


Me: Can Maxima create a psionic doppleganger of anyone?

You: No, but she can make them of herself...

Me: Thanks for proving my point...

You: Your reaching!!!

Me: LoL... Herself =/= "anyone", iyo?

Keep stuffing that foot down your throat, lol. thumb up

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Also about the sun

Maybe I need to word this differently...

Using Franklins reality warp, Onslaught could transform Doomsday into a star; no more Doomsday as he'd be a mass of largely hydrogen and helium...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Herself =/= "anyone", iyo?

Keep stuffing that foot down your throat, lol. thumb up

Why are you still reaching...

You've already proved my point...

She cant do it...let it go.

Galan007
I like how you're ignoring the feats Onslaught actually performed with said powers, in favor of what you think he should theoretically be capable of with said powers.

Apparently no-limits fallacies are usable on the forums these days..?

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
I like how you're ignoring the feats Onslaught actually performed with said powers, in favor of what you think he should theoretically be capable of with said powers.

Apparently no-limits fallacies are usable on the forums these days..?

Umm, he's done everything I've stated...

He did create a 2nd sun simply by willing it into existence; which is evidence of his vast reality warp...

He did create multiple psionic dopplergangers to attack his enemies...

He did create a psionic storm that was capable of killing the Avengers...

His psionic powers were so strong that the hero's had to prep against psionic assault before the start of battle because they knew they'd be lost without it...

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Umm, he's done everything I've stated... Post a scan of him transmuting a character into a star. If you cannot provide such a scan, then he hasn't done everything you've stated. Simple.

I'm waiting. smile

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Maybe I need to word this differently...

Using Franklins reality warp, Onslaught could transform Doomsday into a star; no more Doomsday as he'd be a mass of largely hydrogen and helium...

When has OS done that?

Also Maxima mind raped Brainiac. Braniac can create psionic constructs while in a coma from New Genesis all that way to earth.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Post a scan of him transmuting a character into a star. If you cannot provide such a scan, then he hasn't done everything you've stated. Simple.

I'm waiting. smile

No, I said theres no reason why he cant win in this fashion; other than fanboys whining about not wanting Doomsday to lose like that...

I repeat, does LT need to reality warp someone into a star on panel to prove that he can do it? So why does someone with Franklins reality warp need to when he's already proved reality warp ability on a Solar scale?


No good answer to that...eh?

Thats ok, I completely understand...

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
When has OS done that?

Also Maxima mind raped Brainiac. Braniac can create psionic constructs while in a coma from New Genesis all that way to earth.

He's already demonstrated reality warp on a Solar scale; Doomsday has be harmed by far less than Solar scale reality warp...

There is no reason why Doomsday doesnt fall to this...other than the fact that some of you here dont like it.

Galan007
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No, I said theres no reason why he cant win in this fashion Cool. So he hasn't done everything you've said. thumb up

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
Cool. So he hasn't done everything you've said. thumb up

Learn to read...

I never said he did that, I said theres no reason he couldnt...

I think you are being willfully ignorant; still stung over me proving you wrong as pertains Maxima?

Galan007
You: "Using Franklins reality warp, Onslaught could transform Doomsday into a star."

Me: "I like how you're ignoring the feats Onslaught actually performed with said powers, in favor of what you think he should theoretically be capable of with said powers."

You: "Umm, he's done everything I've stated..."

Me: "Post a scan of him transmuting a character into a star. If you cannot provide such a scan, then he hasn't done everything you've stated. Simple."

You: "I never said he did that, I said theres no reason he couldnt..."


You're back-peddling. It's funny. thumb up

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
You: "Using Franklins reality warp, Onslaught could transform Doomsday into a star."

Me: "I like how you're ignoring the feats Onslaught actually performed with said powers, in favor of what you think he should theoretically be capable of with said powers."

You: "Umm, he's done everything I've stated..."

Me: "Post a scan of him transmuting a character into a star. If you cannot provide such a scan, then he hasn't done everything you've stated. Simple."

You: "I never said he did that, I said theres no reason he couldnt..."


You're back-peddling. It's funny. thumb up

Good, so you admit that I never stated that he has transformed someone into a star... thumb up

I have consistent stated what he has done and what he should be able to do; there is a distiction there...grasp it!

TheLordofMurder
@Galan

The end point is this:

Onslaught has demonstrated Solar scale reality warp on panel...

That combined with the fact that HP Doomsday has been harmed for by less than Solar scale reality warp points to Onslaught being able to win this fight by reality warping HP Doomsday into a star...


This isnt a personal attack against you or anyone; its just basic reasoning...

If you feel the above conclusion is unreasonable, please state why...


Edit: how about we got a mod ruling on this matter and settle it that way?

Galan007
My end point: Doomsday wins because Onslaught's on-panel feats are lacking.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Galan007
My end point: Doomsday wins because Onslaught's on-panel feats are lacking.

So you dont believe Solar scale reality warp is good enough to beat HP Doomsday?

Do you agree that he's been harmed lesser attacks than Solar scale reality warp?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Superman sliced through him which is physical damage. Superman also punched blood out of his mouth which is physical damage as well.

Doomsday has no brain, nor blood.

I do like how you would argue for 1 whole year that Hulk's colour is due to artist error, but something like blood spots - even though it directly contradicts a characteristic of Doomsday - is A-OK.

80sBaby
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
energy?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4163/snapshot074012.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
thumb up yep! Is not like Radiant and Waveryder are made of energy. Also is not like he can mess with GL energies.

Are you both serious? All energy isn't equal.

Hell, Hulk has grabbed energy yet couldn't with Onslaught so, again, what proof do you have that DD can affect PSIONIC energy specifically?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Are you both serious? All energy isn't equal.

Hell, Hulk has grabbed energy yet couldn't with Onslaught so, again, what proof do you have that DD can affect PSIONIC energy specifically?

He has met it before. It isn't like its brand new to him.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Are you both serious? All energy isn't equal.

Hell, Hulk has grabbed energy yet couldn't with Onslaught so, again, what proof do you have that DD can affect PSIONIC energy specifically? Hulk was unconscious.

80sBaby
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He has met it before. It isn't like its brand new to him.

He's never faced a completely psionic entity before nor has he faced this power level, which does make a difference.

He's faced both punches and energy attacks before yet still went down to a bunch of kryptonians punching him and Imperiex blasted him to nothing. The type of power used is only part of the equation.

80sBaby
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Hulk was unconscious.

Ah yes. From the separation.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by 80sBaby
He's never faced a completely psionic entity before nor has he faced this power level, which does make a difference.

True. But all that means is that he has the chance to adapt - for example, GLs NOT one shot killing him meant that he was able to adapt and start feeding off them.



Bunch of Kryptonians punched a different version of Doomsday though.

And Galan has already shown what entropy does....hardly 'energy'. He was hit by entropy, which kills all.

80sBaby
Originally posted by DarkSaint85


True. But all that means is that he has the chance to adapt - for example, GLs NOT one shot killing him meant that he was able to adapt and start feeding off them.



Bunch of Kryptonians punched a different version of Doomsday though.

And Galan has already shown what entropy does....hardly 'energy'. He was hit by entropy, which kills all.

1. The idea that he could adapt is a much better argument than implying he'd be okay since he already faced other types of energy. Of course, he had to be killed by said energy to adapt to it so Onslaught would still win by that reasoning.

2. Was it a different one, though. See, the DD that showed up after OWAW was a clone mixed with kryptonian DNA but he also had intelligence. The DD that the kryptonians fought didn't display any intellect at all and seemed to be the same one we always had prior to OWAW.

3. I don't think entropy is a physical thing that can be quantified, is it? In comic terms, it would still be considered an energy attack I would think.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by 80sBaby
1. The idea that he could adapt is a much better argument than implying he'd be okay since he already faced other types of energy. Of course, he had to be killed by said energy to adapt to it so Onslaught would still win by that reasoning.

He does not have to die.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpg


Barring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it.



Originally posted by Galan007
Prime is definitely haxx, but he still survived pure anti-matter energy:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283241_30.jpg


As did Flash:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283252_The_Flash_1987-2009_150-014.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283254_The_Flash_1987-2009_150-015.jpg


As did Swamp Thing's essence:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283294_Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths_010-018.jpg


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Conversely, Entropy destroys absolutely everything it touches.

It erases all time/space:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283320_ZHpt001_pg011.jpg


It erases all energy:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283322_ZHpt001_pg013.jpg


Even abstract entities, like Death, cease to exist on even a conceptual level when Entropy strikes them:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283244_The_Flash_1987-2009_141-014.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283245_The_Flash_1987-2009_141-015.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283250_The_Flash_1987-2009_141-016.jpg


Hence Waverider's statement: "It is the only time... The only place known where life cannot possibly exist.":
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/24283396_Superman-Doomsday_-_Hunter-Prey_003-044.jpg

Sin I AM
Other than the hulk fight did onslaught have any other fights

Stoic
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Other than the hulk fight did onslaught have any other fights

He engaged in a lot of mind games, I believe that he showed dominance over the Phoenix. I think that the latter would be his greatest feat? Going solely on feats is definitely a solid means of showing what characters can do, but it doesn't always prove without a shadow of doubt to be the only way of showing a characters might. Especially when it comes to characters that lack feats due to low appearances. Onslaught turned a lot of heads by beating the Juggernaut soundly off panel. That was in a time that Cain was thought to be effectively unbeatable.

Sin I AM
I recall but off panel feat and hyperbole are damn near synonyms. Just not so sure Onslaught can put him down

Stoic
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I recall but off panel feat and hyperbole are damn near synonyms. Just not so sure Onslaught can put him down

Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant.

carver9
Forgot about that. He one shot koed Classic Juggernaut with a single hit. Then he punched a hole in Cain with a simple touch.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Stoic
Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant.

Yea but wouldn't that affect his power levels

Anadrol1
Slaught is underrated costantly. He takes HP D diwn

Galan007
Originally posted by Stoic
Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant. Nearly killing classic Darkseid with like 3 hits is more impressive, imho.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He's already demonstrated reality warp on a Solar scale; Doomsday has be harmed by far less than Solar scale reality warp...

There is no reason why Doomsday doesnt fall to this...other than the fact that some of you here dont like it.

So, could, should and would will be taken at face value from now on? With out him ever done it? Got it thumb up

Lets use the same standard here then. Doomsday COULD cancel the energies of Franklin's reality warp (because OS has never done it) and evolve on the fly against them.

There is no "reason" to believe that he could not do it as he has adapted to energies in the past.

Since he has already been killed by energy he could have evolved beyond that.

Wishfull thinking works both ways.

Btw you keep koving the goal post.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So, could, should and would will be taken at face value from now on? With out him ever done it? Got it thumb up

Lets use the same standard here then. Doomsday COULD cancel the energies of Franklin's reality warp (because OS has never done it) and evolve on the fly against them.

There is no "reason" to believe that he could not do it as he has adapted to energies in the past.

Since he has already been killed by energy he could have evolved beyond that.

Wishfull thinking works both ways.

Btw you keep koving the goal post.

Doomsday would be transmutted before he could adapt...game over.

Besides, lets be clear on something; a reality warper doesnt have to do every conceivable thing with his power before reasonable assumptions can be made...

Does a Cosmic Cube have to transmute Hawkeye into a carrot to prove it could do it?

Of course not; you know that the Cube has high end reality warp, Hawkeye has been harmed by far less than CCU level reality warp, and that high end reality warp has been demonstrated on panel...

Same applies here with Onslaught...

Of course some of you are being logic defying as you just don't like the idea of Doomsday losing like this...

This version of Doomsday has been harmed by less than Solar levels of reality warp...

Those are the facts...

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Galan007
My end point: Doomsday wins because Onslaught's on-panel feats are lacking. This sums it up perfectly

Insane Titan
Originally posted by carver9
Forgot about that. He one shot koed Classic Juggernaut with a single hit. Then he punched a hole in Cain with a simple touch. Blatant lie and twisting the context again.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
This sums it up perfectly

Ah but read on...

Onslaught does have an excellent feat that strongly suggests he could defeat Doomsday...

You just refuse to accept the feat because he didnt target a character with his reality warp...

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ah but read on...

Onslaught does have an excellent feat that strongly suggests he could defeat Doomsday...

You just refuse to accept the feat because he didnt target a character with his reality warp... I believe in facts and feats, not hyperbole and hope.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
I believe in facts and feats, not hyperbole and hope.

As do I...

Read everything up to this point and feel free to point out flaws in my logic...

If I'm wrong, I'll own it, but if you find my reasoning sound, give me credit...

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As do I...

Read everything up to this point and feel free to point out flaws in my logic...

If I'm wrong, I'll own it, but if you find my reasoning sound, give me credit... I've read everything you put, and you've been told about the flaws in your argument by several posters. You use things you think Onslaught should be able to and not what he's actually done in battle.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
I've read everything you put, and you've been told about the flaws in your argument by several posters. You use things you think Onslaught should be able to and not what he's actually done in battle.

And I've countered every criticism of my logic...

Onslaught demonstrated his reality warp while being confronted by the heroes...

Also read the above post that pertains to reasonable assumptions as pertains to reality warpers; the logic is sound isnt it?

Mister Supreme
Originally posted by DarkSaint85


He does not have to die.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpg


Barring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it.

I remember that Waverider managed to protect heroes by moving them outside of time stream.

Mister Supreme
Originally posted by DarkSaint85


He does not have to die.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpg


Barring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it.

As far as I remember Waverider actually survived that, while Flash of course did not-so whoever says H/P DD is tougher than Waverider-they are absolutely 100% wrong.
Plus, as far as I remember Waverider was still able to manipulate that rift, despite what he said-that he cannot manipulate it at all, possibly even close the rift.

Waverider did not even have time manipulation powers when that rift opened-that's why Waverider could not close the rift and both Waverider and Flash were running into that rift (scans where Waverider, without time control/manipulation and Flash are traveling in FTL).

I remember that Waverider managed to protect heroes form the Big Bang explosion itself by moving them outside of time stream-another way to beat and kill and destroy H/P DD once and for all.

I don't know about Onslaught though, couldn't just Onslaught create fear to all superheroes and supervillains in DD's mentality so DD would run away for the rest of his life?

DarkSaint85
HP Doomsday lacks the intelligence to fear things....

Genii96
Onslaught uses franklin's power to warp doomsday..+r nate+xavier to fry his mind

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Genii96
Onslaught uses franklin's power to warp doomsday..+r nate+xavier to fry his mind

Agreed.

Problem is, we never saw feats from 'final' Onslaught.

Genii96
We already know he has the powers of nate,xavier and richards,by feats we have seen him use his psionic powers..and we have seen him make a sun...so he can use either the psionic or reality warping powers(at least on a solar scale)
You don't need to see a reality warper killing someone,to know reality warper can kill someone

Insane Titan
*facepalm* it seems some have to be spoon fed to understand how debating by feats works.

Decter
Onslaught

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Genii96
We already know he has the powers of nate,xavier and richards,by feats we have seen him use his psionic powers..and we have seen him make a sun...so he can use either the psionic or reality warping powers(at least on a solar scale)
You don't need to see a reality warper killing someone,to know reality warper can kill someone

Sodom Yat.

Daxamite.

Powers on par with Superman.

Gets a GL ring.

Gets the powers of ION on top of that (who was never retconned as becoming weaker).

Result? Less than the sum of his parts.

Colossus. Gets more power than any other herald of Cytorrak, an Elder God.

Gets 1/5th of the power of the Phoenix, an abstract force of creation capable of remaking reality.

Result? Less than the sum of his parts.

Genii96
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sodom Yat.

Daxamite.

Powers on par with Superman.

Gets a GL ring.

Gets the powers of ION on top of that (who was never retconned as becoming weaker).

Result? Less than the sum of his parts.

Colossus. Gets more power than any other herald of Cytorrak, an Elder God.

Gets 1/5th of the power of the Phoenix, an abstract force of creation capable of remaking reality.

Result? Less than the sum of his parts.

Yea but onslaught is different
He HAS psionic feats
He HAS reality warping feats on a solar level
Which is what I am going by
If I can create a sun by warping reality,do I really need to warp a person before it can be inferred I can?
But even if you ignore his reality warping abilities,his psionics still gives him the win

As for colossus,he could barely control the powers cytorrak gave him,having power if you can barely control it wouldn't really help you
As for the phoenix hosts,it was pretty clear the avengers were screwed if not for wanda,whose powers affected them greatly and they weren't trying to kill the avengers either so you wouldn't expect to see any light show.

While I understand the feats rule,I am simply saying if one can reality warp to create a sun,warping a human sized opponent shouldn't be hard,no?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Genii96
Yea but onslaught is different
He HAS psionic feats
He HAS reality warping feats on a solar level
Which is what I am going by
If I can create a sun by warping reality,do I really need to warp a person before it can be inferred I can?
But even if you ignore his reality warping abilities,his psionics still gives him the win

Agreed - but Ion HAS the feats of rewriting reality. Sodom....got sodomised, lol.


Whilst losing control, he wasn't even able to kill Spiderman. Sure, he was holding back - but Magik wasn't, and she's a Hell Lord with 1/5th Phoenix powers.


Depends on their durability, surely.

carver9
He could've killed Spiderman but he let him go.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111196185/4564668-01+spidey+colo.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125930/3713158-5631482104-spide.jpg

Colossonaut then tells him that if Spiderman continues, he will lose control. He allows Spiderman to get up.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125930/3713160-8744152498-spide.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125930/3713161-4133926687-spide.jpg

carver9
He was clearly holding back.

DarkSaint85
I know. Hence my sentence - he was holding back.

Magik wasn't.

Adam Grimes
I agree, Spidey could have one-shotted him.

carver9
Would like to add that I don't think any Herald could bear Colossonaut. smile

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Would like to add that I don't think any Herald could bear Colossonaut. smile
Thor

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor

Naah. Thor only did as good as he did against Classic Jugs because of the force field removal that was his primary durability. This doesn't apply to Colossonaut. His durability is his hide and Thor isn't breaching that, even with the removal of his force field.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Would like to add that I don't think any Herald could bear Colossonaut. smile

Ahahahah, course you don't.

How does he do against telepathy?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Naah. Thor only did as good as he did against Classic Jugs because of the force field removal that was his primary durability. This doesn't apply to Colossonaut. His durability is his hide and Thor isn't breaching that, even with the removal of his force field.
Doesn't need to breach it. He'll just knock him out.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ahahahah, course you don't.

How does he do against telepathy?

Colossonaut?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Colossonaut?

Yup.

Sinister controlled him casually.

Oh, and Magneto controlled him casually too.

Oh, and Unit KO'd him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083452-0+%282%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg

Edit: looking at those scans again, I think Colossus KO'd himself by tripping on his own feet.....

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup.

Sinister controlled him casually.

Oh, and Magneto controlled him casually too.

Oh, and Unit KO'd him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083452-0+%282%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg

Edit: looking at those scans again, I think Colossus KO'd himself by tripping on his own feet.....

Have the scans of Sinister and Magneto controlling him?

The Unit showing is his lowest showing since having that power. Wouldn't consider that his average.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Have the scans of Sinister and Magneto controlling him?

The Unit showing is his lowest showing since having that power. Wouldn't consider that his average.

Lol.

Before I defeat you once more, tell me, how many showings did Colossus have since having that power?

We take averages here. If Colossus has 5 showings, I've just shown that 20% of his showings involve being KO'd by having Namor fly into him. If 20% of Superman's showings were low, you'd be laughing your head off.

You can see in the scan I posted, Magneto casually chucking Colossus into the atmosphere.

Here it is again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg

Here is another scan of Magneto controlling Colossaunaut:
https://colossuscollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/metallic-fastball-special.jpg

Sinister:
http://i.imgur.com/kAqKxX0.jpg

Let me guess your next move: you will claim Sinister is amped.

Here, he admits he CANNOT outmuscle Hope, who was using Emma Frost's TP.
http://i.imgur.com/Kty1ZE2.jpg

IOW, Emma Frost level TP is enough to make Colossus kneel. Emma. A high Meta on this board.

Oh, and Cyke is enough to tear that helmet off.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Before I defeat you once more, tell me, how many showings did Colossus have since having that power?

We take averages here. If Colossus has 5 showings, I've just shown that 20% of his showings involve being KO'd by having Namor fly into him. If 20% of Superman's showings were low, you'd be laughing your head off.

You can see in the scan I posted, Magneto casually chucking Colossus into the atmosphere.

Here it is again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg

Here is another scan of Magneto controlling Colossaunaut:
https://colossuscollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/metallic-fastball-special.jpg

Sinister:
http://i.imgur.com/kAqKxX0.jpg

Let me guess your next move: you will claim Sinister is amped.

Here, he admits he CANNOT outmuscle Hope, who was using Emma Frost's TP.
http://i.imgur.com/Kty1ZE2.jpg

IOW, Emma Frost level TP is enough to make Colossus kneel. Emma. A high Meta on this board.

Oh, and Cyke is enough to tear that helmet off.

Colossus have enough showing for us to know that with this power, a trip into Namor shouldn't even tickle him.

Could Magneto powers overcome Colossonaut unstoppable enchantment?

Aaahhhhh, I remember the Sinister showing. I thought you were talking about those two fighting one on one without any interference. With that said, your scan is irrelevant.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Colossus have enough showing for us to know that with this power, a trip into Namor shouldn't even tickle him.

Ah, so you're using the hype, as opposed to his actual showings, eh? I see why you have trouble with this thread.


The same enchantment that Skaar negated by punching Juggy into the sky? IOW, once you pop him into the sky, its gone? Sure.



Course you remember wink

How is it irrelevant?

A mid meta (Cyclops) can destroy his helmet. Previously, that would not have even fazed Juggy.

A high meta (Emma) can command him to kneel, once the helmet is off.

Colossus did not always go into battle with his helmet up. CIS is still on in the forum.

So IYO, no herald can beat Colossonaut - but a high and a mid meta would do fine?

What about a mid herald, like, say...erm, lemme check the tier thread....Martian Manhunter? A high herald like Surfer? Full power Cable? Classic Strange? Captain Comet? Maxima? Rachel Summers?

Your original point, lest you forget, was that IWO no herald could beat Colossus.

Edit: If you want, since your BZs seem to be going nowhere, I challenge you to a BZ. Two posts each, as you never seem to have time.

I can choose anyone, high herald and below (just one character). You can choose Colossonaut. Care to face me?

Genii96
Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Agreed - but Ion HAS the feats of rewriting reality. Sodom....got sodomised, lol.


Whilst losing control, he wasn't even able to kill Spiderman. Sure, he was holding back - but Magik wasn't, and she's a Hell Lord with 1/5th Phoenix powers.


Depends on their durability, surely.
1) Heh,this sodom guy sounds like a klutz....however the difference it,onslaught has the reality warping feats,so its not like I am hyping him because he absorbed franklin

2) Pretty sure it was colossus who beat down spidey,magik wanted to kill him but colossus didn't agree and they KO'd eachother...:ell lord thing only works in theor realm btw,outside she is just a regular mutant who can teleport with a soul sword..also wasn't she faking her phoenix drama? I think she said that somewhere

3) I don't think physical durabilty has anything on reality warping,unless ofcourse its mystical or cosmic in nature...is that how doomsday's durability is?

4) Did namor actually KO colossus by flying into him? U got the scan? Love to see that

Decter
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

What about a mid herald, like, say...erm, lemme check the tier thread....Martian Manhunter?

I thought Manhunter was high herald?

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