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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Rules

Power Level & Format: 3-character amalgam or team. 2 mid-Herald limit but if you choose anything lower you can use a 3 person team minus a mid-herald level character.

Post Limit: 5

CIS & PIS is OFF!: We are drafting 2-3 characters, and their abilities. You the participant take ownership of how said characters & abilities will be realized in combat.

Character Knowledge: Contestants are fully aware the characters drafted, including its history, and weaknesses.
Also the Amalgam can use powers as good as the originals.

Amping Rules: Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)

Note: Amping is a state of empowerment fueled by some source source, that increases a characters physical prowess or ability.

Banned: Power Unlock. Going forward No form of amping, or power unlock will be allowed.

Tech Creation & Non-Autonomous Constructs/Summons: High Herald limit.

No you can not summon an entire realm or dimension.

Interchanging Feats: You are in control of the character, but you are also confined to what that character has accomplished historically.

You can't borrow feats from someone else, even if your similar characters.

Example:
X-Man can not Borrow Feats Cable.
G.L. Hal can not Borrow Feats from G.L. John.


Prep: You are given time to raise shields. Otherwise NO prep time.
Clarification: Only traditional shields are allowed during prep (as in repelling external forces). Cloaking, masking, or shielding your presence are NOT allowed during prep.


Creating gear can only take place in the heat of battle, after the bell has rung.

TP: High-Herald

Speed: Over lightspeed but not double. Teleportation IS allowed.

Banned Powers: Reality Warp, Time Manip., Duplication, Power Copying, Autonomous Constructs (tech or magic), Memory Retention

Note: Space Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, and the Speed Force is allowed provided that the drafted characters are low herald and below.

Functional Immortals are Banned: Functional immortals such as Lobo, Mr. Immortal, Deadpool are disallowed or voided.


Standard Gear Rule Character comes in with what he is historically known for caring.

Non standard gear must be created you NOT grab it from your lab, and equip yourself with it.

BFR BFR is banned.

Self BFR is only good for phasing.

Good for 1 second.
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I'm game.

Roughly at whom does the "mid-herald" cap peak?... roughly.

That's worth discussing.

So power levels should cap out at say Maxima?

TBH I'm almost tempted to leave it as is, like how it's displayed on the tier list, unless a compelling case is made against a character.

Middle
Adam Warlock, Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Circe, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Solomon Grundy, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Aquaman (DCNU), Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Doomsday (DOS), Doctor Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress, Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Forerunner, Gammid, Gilgamesh, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Invincible, Iron Man, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Kalibak, Kang, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Tempest, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Tier 2 - Meta

High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Crystal, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Gamora, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Living Laser, Machine Man, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Spiral, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Cyborg, Cyclops, Darkhawk, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shift, Speedball, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar, X-23

Tier 1 - Street

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Taskmaster, Union Jack, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Black Cat, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

First changes are about to be made:

Adam Warlock to Mid Herald.

Aquaman (DCNU) to Low Herald.

Circe to Mid Herald.

Doctor Strange to High Herald.

Iron Man to Low Herald

Clarify.

2 person amalgam/team consisting of two mid heralds

or

3 person amalgam/team consisting of one mid herald and two lower than mid herald

... right?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Clarify.

2 person amalgam/team consisting of two mid heralds

or

3 person amalgam/team consisting of one mid herald and two lower than mid herald

... right?

No 3 person team is only if no picks are mid herald and topp out at low herald.
Just clarified with psycho in PM

See, that's the problem with most of these tournaments, all these PMs to ask about rules. What's the point of only one person being sure of a rule and the other 6/7 drafting based on a completely different understanding?

If you have questions; post them here. Anything discussed purely one on one, prior to rules being set, should be invalid.

I didn't p.m. to ask about the rules ipm him my choices and was told I couldn't have them because one was a mid herald. My other choices were a low herald and a mid meta

Originally posted by Scoobless
Anything discussed purely one on one, prior to rules being set, should be invalid.

I've PMed PG a list of tactics which would beat my drafts soundly.

Don't worry... there are plenty of ways to frag you that you haven't even considered yet.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Don't worry... there are plenty of ways to frag you that you haven't even considered yet.



You underestimate my stupidity!!!

If someone needs an idea for the sickest Amalgam ever, that will change the way people look at you, PM me. First come, first serve.

Carver should join, with Colossaunaut. I will put a team together to face him.

Originally posted by Scoobless

If you have questions; post them here. Anything discussed purely one on one, prior to rules being set, should be invalid.

FTR that's also pretty much what happened in iD's tourney. When I was asking if I could have Mr Miracle I said he was low herald but mentioned the ale. ID asked me for a brief rundown on the strategy I was planning to rule if he was OK.

I wasnt pming to ask to clear a strategy just being upfront that my pick had a potential (one he hadn't realised ) to exceed tye limits..

If you'll remember in that tourney I made his ruling on unlocking clear while people were still drafting just as I've done here.

There's nothing underhanded I can assure you. I'm more than happy to vet my three picks (and the one denied) opnely in this thread if anyone wants.

Sure, my point is that just because the organiser thinks something might be ok, it doesn't mean the other competitors or judges will agree. Much like your ALE attempt; frankly I'm not sure anyone really believed it was viable OR legal other than yourself and Id.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Sure, my point is that just because the organiser thinks something might be ok, it doesn't mean the other competitors or judges will agree. Much like your ALE attempt; frankly I'm not sure anyone really believed it was viable OR legal other than yourself and Id. i think most people overthought what i had. I stated (and correctly so) that my access to it was limited. All the feats of the use of the Ale to any truly great degree are with vast dark emotion (like in death of new gods where scot free was suffering everh dark emotion after Barda's death).

I didnt have that, i had a little snooty anger from Arthur Curry, that is part of bhis character. The amount of the Ale that would unlock was miniscule at best. When DS had only a "portion " of the Ale it barely amped him at all. He was amped to much higher degree by the soul fire and absorbing the energy of the dead gods.
Hell even with the full power of the Ale in DoTNG Scott Free couldn't beat infinity man who was only using a portion of the Sources power as his avatar (yet more proof that the equation and entity are two separate things because the entity is the sources equal in all respects.

What exactly did i do with the ALE in my match, i used it to immobilize my opponent and trap them. I did that because that was realistically all one could do without a much more evil/darker emotional state. Tg ere were plenty of characters i could have picked with those traits but i would have considered that breaking the rules, overstepping ty e mark..

Even still, a more explicit ban on forces (i.e. ALE) that can be above the caps might be in order, to go along with amping rules. In the example of what is allowed (Jeffries/Adamantium), neither the power set nor the metal on its own exceeds the caps, so it's ok.

For reference, BB, I assumed your usage of the ALE was legal because it wasn't questioned much in-match and Id ok'd it. My vote against was due to execution of the plan.

Also, friendly word of advice to everyone: ban the more uber Flashes, and/or overt speed force manipulation. The last tourney managed to be ok allowing lightspeed because really only Jay could skirt in under the caps. But no judge wants to read a bunch of people squabbling over which picosecond feats are better, which is what it will devolve into once everyone realizes there's no reasonable counter to say, Wally or Barry's reflexes other than taking their own speedster.

Originally posted by Scoobless
See, that's the problem with most of these tournaments, all these PMs to ask about rules. What's the point of only one person being sure of a rule and the other 6/7 drafting based on a completely different understanding?

If you have questions; post them here. Anything discussed purely one on one, prior to rules being set, should be invalid. No that's valid.

2 mid-heralds or you can choose 3 of anything lower is what he asked clarification on

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So far we have:

-Blair wind

-Smurph

-Beatboks

-Abhilegend

-Scoobles

-Darksaint

(Possibly one more)

Shit. The quality of opponents is high.

LoB, join us!

Originally posted by Digi
Even still, a more explicit ban on forces (i.e. ALE) that can be above the caps might be in order, to go along with amping rules. In the example of what is allowed (Jeffries/Adamantium), neither the power set nor the metal on its own exceeds the caps, so it's ok.

For reference, BB, I assumed your usage of the ALE was legal because it wasn't questioned much in-match and Id ok'd it. My vote against was due to execution of the plan.

Also, friendly word of advice to everyone: ban the more uber Flashes, and/or overt speed force manipulation. The last tourney managed to be ok allowing lightspeed because really only Jay could skirt in under the caps. But no judge wants to read a bunch of people squabbling over which picosecond feats are better, which is what it will devolve into once everyone realizes there's no reasonable counter to say, Wally or Barry's reflexes other than taking their own speedster.

We've banned Speedforce users who are midherald; in effect, if you're a Flash, you have to be Low Herald.

That cuts Wally/Bart/Barry out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We've banned Speedforce users who are midherald; in effect, if you're a Flash, you have to be Low Herald.

That cuts Wally/Bart/Barry out.

Can I choose full powered Juggernaut and Absorbing man?

Give Carver WBH, and don't worry you will still win.

biscuits

Originally posted by carver9
Can I choose full powered Juggernaut and Absorbing man?

Probably. But it's not particularly good strategy to announce your intentions in-thread like this. It might depend on what you mean by full powered, though. 7th Day Juggs likely wouldn't be allowed, for example.

In general, though, AM is one of the best suited to exploiting the Jeffries/Adamantium rule in the OP. Had I entered the last tourney that's wrapping up now, he was high on my list. If strategies like the one you're talking about here aren't specifically banned, there are worse ways to go.

Shaman X-Man is officially Mid Herald. Is he up for grabs?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
No that's valid.

2 mid-heralds or you can choose 3 of anything lower is what he asked clarification on

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Whoa, that changes things for me- can we get clear, explicit explanation here?

My reading of

was that drafting one mid herald and two low herald or lower would be valid.

Originally posted by "Id"
Shaman X-Man is officially Mid Herald. Is he up for grabs? That is a glaring is a mis-ranking, imo.

Re: Shaman Nate, I would argue that I've made a strong case through battle zones that God Cable is around the upper cap of mid herald, and that Shaman Nate, in many ways, is an obvious superior to him.

The format as I understand it.
Mid + Mid
Mid + Low
Low + Low + Low

Originally posted by "Id"
The format as I understand it.
Mid + Mid
Mid + Low
Low + Low + Low
nevermind. see below.

Originally posted by Smurph
Re: Shaman Nate, I would argue that I've made a strong case through battle zones that God Cable is around the upper cap of mid herald, and that Shaman Nate, in many ways, is an obvious superior to him.

As someone not entering, I'd agree with this.

Originally posted by Smurph
Whoa, that changes things for me- can we get clear, explicit explanation here?

My reading of

was that drafting one mid herald and two low herald or lower would be valid. Sorry for the confusion.

Since it was hazy and since I was tossing the idea around, might as well allow a team of 3 even if you have a mid-herald as a part of it, but no more than 1. Some of the draft ideas had that same idea so it's my fault

To reiterate: you can have an amalgam or team of 3 characters, but only consisting of 1 mid-herald, if you want 2 mid-heralds you only get and amalgam or team of 2 characters

There also has to be a public draft in this thread so that it's transparent and it gives everyone the ability to weigh in on potentially high-herald or higher picks. I just have to fallow up with one person to see if they're interested before that happens cause that will decide if another person has to be found to keep the numbers even

Shaman X-Man for mid Herald would be a total steal. Just Awesome.

Cool. So....who goes first in the public draft?

First come, first serve upon pending start time.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Sorry for the confusion.

Since it was hazy and since I was tossing the idea around, might as well allow a team of 3 even if you have a mid-herald as a part of it, but no more than 1. Some of the draft ideas had that same idea so it's my fault

To reiterate: you can have an amalgam or team of 3 characters, but only consisting of 1 mid-herald, if you want 2 mid-heralds you only get and amalgam or team of 2 characters

There also has to be a public draft in this thread so that it's transparent and it gives everyone the ability to weigh in on potentially high-herald or higher picks. I just have to fallow up with one person to see if they're interested before that happens cause that will decide if another person has to be found to keep the numbers even Cool. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
First come, first serve upon pending start time.

Which is when?

Asap, just gotta get a reply form a potential competitor (possibly 2)

I will definitely post here what date and time.

Ok
Amalgam or team (your choice)
Mid + Mid
Mid + Low + Low
Low + Low + Low

Right?

If Carver participates, let me judge please, I want him to suffer!

How do weaknesses work? So for example, drafting pre- 52 Aquaman - would your amalgam be weak to dehydration? Even if you drafted Plastic Man (who needs no water)?

Originally posted by "Id"
Ok
Amalgam or team (your choice)
Mid + Mid
Mid + Low + Low
Low + Low + Low

Right? Right

@Darksaint, weaknesses are really up to your argument skills for and against said weakness.

I'll be back on later tonight and if I do or don't get word from someone(s) about competing, how about a public draft in this thread (w/ link (comicvine if available)) Friday at noon, Eastern time?

Makes us proud Carver.
Showem what Hulk is made off

I do find it telling that when CIS is off, Carver never chooses the Hulk...

Double Post, as I jst saw PG's post: the date and time are fine.

Hulk is a high Herald.

Hahaha. We can cap him out at mid-herald showings if you want, as per the tier thread.

@PG: Who are the judges? Or are we NOT going to PM anyone our picks, and let EVERYONE decide if our drafts are legal?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hahaha. We can cap him out at mid-herald showings if you want, as per the tier thread.

@PG: Who are the judges? Or are we NOT going to PM anyone our picks, and let EVERYONE decide if our drafts are legal?

Which Hulk can I use? What's my limitation?

Originally posted by carver9
Which Hulk can I use? What's my limitation?

Well, you're the Hulk expert.

What mid-herald feats does he have? I mean, he has his stupidly low feats - like being choked by a snake - which are street level (lol), so have a look at the mid-herald tier, and choose feats which enable him to be a good match against bricks.

Carver be on that bullshit.

I think we all may have to throw in the towel if WB Carver is here.

HOTM Hulk is a legit Mid Herald an my eyes.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Sorry for the confusion.

Since it was hazy and since I was tossing the idea around, might as well allow a team of 3 even if you have a mid-herald as a part of it, but no more than 1. Some of the draft ideas had that same idea so it's my fault

To reiterate: you can have an amalgam or team of 3 characters, but only consisting of 1 mid-herald, if you want 2 mid-heralds you only get and amalgam or team of 2 characters

There also has to be a public draft in this thread so that it's transparent and it gives everyone the ability to weigh in on potentially high-herald or higher picks. I just have to fallow up with one person to see if they're interested before that happens cause that will decide if another person has to be found to keep the numbers even

So public draft

Mid herald - captain comet (pre resurrectionction, unless I'm allowed composite pre 52 which I'd doubt)
Low herald - Ted Knight/Starman
Mid meta (IMO could be high) - Dr Occult

My drafts will be amalgamated

Beats you need to wait until Psycho announced when he is opening up the draft.

God, compared to the cloak and dagger BS we used to go through with picks, I wish I got to compete against people just tossing out their picks like this.

I legit remember having to draft certain characters solely as a diversion, before switching before the deadline to do so. Then everyone caught on and it was a cluster of movement on the last day.

Originally posted by "Id"
Beats you need to wait until Psycho announced when he is opening up the draft.

Effectively by me throwing my draft out I've allowed everyone else the opportunity to counter what my choices bring to the table. But in the interests of fairness (since I've apparently preempted the draft) how about if i say if anyone wants any of my three picks their fair game and i change that pick for someone else. Its not like i cant find a dozen or so characters who would bring everything each choice does to the table without too much trouble.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
TBH I'm almost tempted to leave it as is, like how it's displayed on the tier list, unless a compelling case is made against a character.

Middle
Adam Warlock, Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Circe, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Solomon Grundy, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Not interested in participating, but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyways.

Waverider is way misplaced unless there's hard rules on time travel/time stop, in which case he's useless and that's fine.

Shaggy Man has a hella powerful powerset, but is just held back by his stupidity. Augment him with anyone with a brain and he's totally OP, IMO

And including Imperiex Probes can't lead to anything good.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shit. The quality of opponents is high.

LoB, join us!

I, the LORDOFBATTLEZONES am above you!

Just got home

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hahaha. We can cap him out at mid-herald showings if you want, as per the tier thread.

@PG: Who are the judges? Or are we NOT going to PM anyone our picks, and let EVERYONE decide if our drafts are legal?

Judges are TBD, however I did pm a few people so I have to comb over those replies again just to tally them, but I will definitely ask a lot more people about that soon.

Last time, legal picks were decided via poll, but (maybe I'm wrong) polls give each poster just one vote so There is some good and bad there. It's less of a headache if all the picks are laid out in no order and anonymously so that people can fairly decide if picks are over limits. So far everything I've been asked about looks fine

Originally posted by beatboks
So public draft

Mid herald - captain comet (pre resurrectionction, unless I'm allowed composite pre 52 which I'd doubt)
Low herald - Ted Knight/Starman
Mid meta (IMO could be high) - Dr Occult

My drafts will be amalgamated

In the interests of fairness....as beatboks has shown his hand, I will go too.

Mid: Firestorm
Others: Morlun and Fantomex.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In the interests of fairness....as beatboks has shown his hand, I will go too.

Mid: Firestorm
Others: Morlun and Fantomex.

Damn intriguing choices. Fantomex's misdirection makes your team a challenge alone. I'm curious how the merfer of FS and Morlun works, that is if FS's energy offsets the weakening he experiences when he doesnt drain. That is IF your amalgamating them.

Nice DS

Originally posted by beatboks
Damn intriguing choices. Fantomex's misdirection makes your team a challenge alone. I'm curious how the merfer of FS and Morlun works, that is if FS's energy offsets the weakening he experiences when he doesnt drain. That is IF your amalgamating them.

Nice DS

Yeah, I'm amalgamating them all together this time. Fantomex is a street leveller , I believe, and Morlun is on theseboards as a Mid meta, but I will bump him up to high meta/low herald if people think his showings warrant that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I'm amalgamating them all together this time. Fantomex is a street leveller , I believe, and Morlun is on theseboards as a Mid meta, but I will bump him up to high meta/low herald if people think his showings warrant that.

I recall back on the "war of CV". A scenario/ tournament of two teams of ten players. Each player picked a team and then two "voted for generals" alternately picked team members. Each round had two or three battlefirlw with a set objective for both sides. Each general had to choose which teams he'd commit to each arena. Cut a long story short one side was majorly pissed that the other side had a team with Fantomex and another with count vertigo. That was with open drafts and plenty of tine to object during the set up (which took over a month).

Like i said very good pick

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, you're the Hulk expert.

What mid-herald feats does he have? I mean, he has his stupidly low feats - like being choked by a snake - which are street level (lol), so have a look at the mid-herald tier, and choose feats which enable him to be a good match against bricks.

If I'm choosing a character, should I not be able to use ALL of his fts?

Originally posted by carver9
If I'm choosing a character, should I not be able to use ALL of his fts?

Well, if you want to use WBH, go for it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if you want to use WBH, go for it.

I wouldn't use him. I'm talking about your average, none glowing Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't use him. I'm talking about your average, none glowing Hulk.

The one that you insist is high herald based on his feats, when on the forum he's a mid herald?

Surely you should then only use the feats that make him mid-herald, as you know, it's a mid herald tourney?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The one that you insist is high herald based on his feats, when on the forum he's a mid herald?

Surely you should then only use the feats that make him mid-herald, as you know, it's a mid herald tourney?

With that said, he shouldn't be used period.

Originally posted by carver9
With that said, he shouldn't be used period.

Stop teasing me so, carver. Will you be joining?

Tbf, we may not even draw each other.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stop teasing me so, carver. Will you be joining?

Tbf, we may not even draw each other.

I think deep down inside you want me to say no. You know I would crush your windpipe in a BZ between the both of us. I already told PG my intake on doing this BZ.

I'm scurred.

I AM IN.


Competitors, you now have the chance to withdraw before I humiliate you!!!

LoB, can it be that you are the one who writes the Dialogues for the Contest of Champions Android Game?

Phoenix II (Rachael) is a steal for Mid Herald.

Middle
Adam Warlock, Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Circe, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Solomon Grundy, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Superman is Mid Herald too.

Superman + Phoenix II for a monstrous combo.

Get'em Ahbi

Maybe I should draft Hulk, Abomination and Hulk again.

Carvatar Prime

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
LoB, can it be that you are the one who writes the Dialogues for the Contest of Champions Android Game?

Could be, could be not!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I AM IN.


Competitors, you now have the chance to withdraw before I humiliate you!!! Originally posted by carver9
I think deep down inside you want me to say no. You know I would crush your windpipe in a BZ between the both of us. I already told PG my intake on doing this BZ.

Are you in for real? Draft is tomorrow

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Public draft in this thread (w/ link (comicvine if available)) Friday at noon, Eastern time

Originally posted by "Id"
Superman is Mid Herald too.

Superman + Phoenix II for a monstrous combo.

Get'em Ahbi

"Bizarro" Superman is mid, Superman is high Herald.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'll be back on later tonight and if I do or don't get word from someone(s) about competing, how about a public draft in this thread (w/ link (comicvine if available)) Friday at noon, Eastern time?

All picks at once?

That's fine.

Yup

Till noon Saturday. Swap as many times as you want before that but your last post before noon Saturday will be your final team

Man oh man. There are some sick combos I want to try out....

Draft is at noon tomorrow. Be there or be square...er be here

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Draft is at noon tomorrow. Be there or be square...er be here

Can do

^ 12:00pm Eastern time, btw

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

^ Go here to see when that corresponds to your personal timezone

Ok. My three characters are Captain Atom (preboot), Starhawk and Professor X (Xavier).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. My three characters are Captain Atom (preboot), Starhawk and Professor X (Xavier).



Those are some dam good choices

Sadly, I as well wanted to use Captain Atom

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. My three characters are Captain Atom (preboot), Starhawk and Professor X (Xavier).



I was pretty sure you'd pick Atom just by looking at the list.

Good choice.

It won't count until the official time.

Originally posted by beatboks
So public draft

Mid herald - captain comet (pre resurrectionction, unless I'm allowed composite pre 52 which I'd doubt)
Low herald - Ted Knight/Starman
Mid meta (IMO could be high) - Dr Occult

My drafts will be amalgamated
Since according to psycho's link its now official draft time reposting mine

Capt comet is "Classic" version

Don't you have like, 3.5 hours?

Count me in

Originally posted by carver9
Count me in

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/d/db/Tom_baker_creepy_smile.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/d/db/Tom_baker_creepy_smile.gif

Originally posted by beatboks
Since according to psycho's link its now official draft time reposting mine

Capt comet is "Classic" version

You posted at 8:09 - not noon.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You posted at 8:09 - not noon.

Psycho's link had the time as 12.02.
Since its approaching midnight Friday my time, and I work in 6 hrs (just finished alnien an hour ago)

Here, use this link instead:

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/new-york/new-york-city/

http://i60.tinypic.com/2nknjew.png

Mid Meta: Hawkman
http://www.comicvine.com/hawkman/4005-8337/

Mid Meta: Hank Pym
http://www.comicvine.com/hank-pym/4005-2247/

Low Herald: Absorbing Man
http://www.comicvine.com/absorbing-man/4005-1779/

My battle strategy: I'm going to send birds and insects to do my bidding and kill you all dead.

http://i61.tinypic.com/fkzku9.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2qs6xa9.jpg

Absorbing Man
Cassandra Nova
Monica Rambeau

DARKSAINT'S PICKS

FIRESTORM (http://www.comicvine.com/firestorm/4005-2353/)
MORLUN (http://www.comicvine.com/morlun/4005-17613/)
FANTOMEX (http://www.comicvine.com/fantomex/4005-4281/)

Being the LORDOFBATTLEZONES I presume that my post with Creel TRUMPS that of the peasant Blair Wind!

Cassandra Nova http://www.comicvine.com/cassandra-nova/4005-11317/

Monica Rambeau http://www.comicvine.com/spectrum/4005-11337/

Absorbing Man http://www.comicvine.com/absorbing-man/4005-1779/

I reserve VULCAN in the IMPOSSIBLE event that I am denied Creel.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Cassandra Nova http://www.comicvine.com/cassandra-nova/4005-11317/

Monica Rambeau http://www.comicvine.com/spectrum/4005-11337/

Absorbing Man http://www.comicvine.com/absorbing-man/4005-1779/

I reserve VULCAN in the IMPOSSIBLE event that I am denied Creel.
It's first come first serve. You can't place a reserve.
You need to replace Absorbing Man for Vulcan now before someone takes Vulcan.

I already chose Absorbing man. Pages ago.

Doctor Doom
Wonder Woman
Apocalypse

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It won't count until the official time.

Quick carver!

Originally posted by carver9
I already chose Absorbing man. Pages ago.

Your draft is voided. The draft begins when Psycho announces it. You drafted before he announced it.

As of now Blair Wind has Absorbing Man.

You need to resubmit your draft NOW.

Originally posted by carver9
Doctor Doom
Wonder Woman
Apocalypse 2 mid heralds is the max, and I think Doom is currently considered mid herald.

Not on the list Gundam put up. If we are not going by that list then a couple of peeps that were chosen needs to be exempted as well.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
TBH I'm almost tempted to leave it as is, like how it's displayed on the tier list, unless a compelling case is made against a character.

I guess this is where we now discuss - but carver, just so you're aware, Doom was thrown out of the Low Herald tourney for being OP for that tier.

Edit: Other characters can of course be discussed - but am just pointing your choice out, SPECIFICALLY because Doom had already been argued against and voted to be kicked out. Cassandra Nova, too, as well as Doomsday had also been kicked out of the Low Herald tier.

I say, let PG and two other judges rule on the picks, AFTER everyone has drafted.

But people, we should all have some backups, I guess....Especially if we've drafted people who are iffy.

Originally posted by carver9
Not on the list Gundam put up. If we are not going by that list then a couple of peeps that were chosen needs to be exempted as well. Personally editing the tier list via my own opinion would be biased and make little sense when the common sense of the board is better suited for that.

You're going to have to drop one and pick another character

Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable
Kang- http://marvel.com/universe/Kang
Enchantress- http://marvel.com/universe/Enchantress_(Amora)

Carver, choose Dr occult, captain comet and star knight, quick!

Originally posted by Decter
Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable
Kang- http://marvel.com/universe/Kang
Enchantress- http://marvel.com/universe/Enchantress_(Amora)

Time powers are banned. Makes Kang fairly useless.....

Before I draft, I have a handful of questions that I want to pose to the tourney:

- I want to better define the "functional immortals" rule. Lobo and Mr. Immortal are banned, OK. Deadpool is banned though? What about characters that are notoriously hard to kill --> Darwin? Hulk? Vandal Savage is immortal, but can still be KTFO'd.

- Prep time only allows for standard shields. Are ANY other actions allowed in prep? I realize it specifies in the rules that you can't cloak, phase, shrink, etc. I just wanna know if that's cool with everybody, cause to me, it feels kinda limiting.

- Absorbing Man and amping. I don't want to call out Blair's strategy (sly), but I am curious about where the line is, given that his power is basically self-amps.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Time powers are banned. Makes Kang fairly useless.....

Oh read over that XD

Gonna need tp change tbat

Captain Atom preboot

Starhawk
(merged)

Charles Xavier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain Atom preboot

Starhawk
(merged)

Charles Xavier.
I swap out Charles Xavier for Manchester Black


Drafts are.

Captain Atom

Starhawk

Manchester black.

Originally posted by Smurph
I don't want to call out Blair's strategy (sly)

You don't like my idea of sending wasps and crows at you instead of facing anyone directly?

Originally posted by Decter
Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable
Originally posted by Smurph
- I want to better define the "functional immortals" rule. Lobo and Mr. Immortal are banned, OK. Deadpool is banned though? What about characters that are notoriously hard to kill --> Darwin? Hulk? Vandal Savage is immortal, but can still be KTFO'd.
Great example!

In Cable's "God-like" arc, he had Deadpool's healing factor.

Does this mean Cable violates the 'functional immortals' rule?

Originally posted by Smurph
- Prep time only allows for standard shields. Are ANY other actions allowed in prep? I realize it specifies in the rules that you can't cloak, phase, shrink, etc. I just wanna know if that's cool with everybody, cause to me, it feels kinda limiting.


I agree with this. I don't need a full on prep-style tournament (admittedly, my favorite kind), but a literal (no time manipulation) minute or so to prepare for the battle would be nice.

If more people feel that way than maybe it should be fixed

I'd be fine with a couple seconds, but allowing for more options than traditional shields.

I'm also just curious how other people feel about it though.

Deadpool is a functional immortal due to his agreement with Death similar to Deadpool.

Cable although he benefits of having Deadpools healing factor, he can be overwhelmed and Killed.

Originally posted by carver9
Doctor Doom
Wonder Woman

I removed Apocalypse.

Why is Cassandra Nova mid? She's chuck's twin no?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is Cassandra Nova mid? She's chuck's twin no?


She is Chuck twin to the 10th power.

Originally posted by Decter
Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable


I give up Enchantress and Kang

I draft

Jay Garrick- http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_

Magneto- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Eisenhardt_

Originally posted by "Id"
She is Chuck twin to the 10th power.

True.

What is considered canon? For example, JLA/Avengers?

We usually don't consider it because of the intense flaming butthurt, but we can surely be more civil amongst our rarefied genius?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.

What is considered canon? For example, JLA/Avengers?

We usually don't consider it because of the intense flaming butthurt, but we can surely be more civil amongst our rarefied genius?

Forum policy applies to tournament matches. Its best of you walk away from that can of worm.

Originally posted by "Id"
Forum policy applies to tournament matches. Its best of you walk away from that can of worm.

MY cans have more than one worm, thank you very much.

Did I miss anyone so far?

Blair Wind
Mid Meta: Hawkman
http://www.comicvine.com/hawkman/4005-8337/

Mid Meta: Hank Pym
http://www.comicvine.com/hank-pym/4005-2247/

Low Herald: Absorbing Man
http://www.comicvine.com/absorbing-man/4005-1779/

DARKSAINT'S PICKS

FIRESTORM (http://www.comicvine.com/firestorm/4005-2353/)
MORLUN (http://www.comicvine.com/morlun/4005-17613/)
FANTOMEX (http://www.comicvine.com/fantomex/4005-4281/)

Carver
Doctor Doom
Wonder Woman

abhilegend
Captain Atom - Preboot
Starhawk
Manchester black.

Decter
Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable
Jay Garrick- http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_
Magneto- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Eisenhardt_

LordofBrooklyn
Cassandra Nova http://www.comicvine.com/cassandra-nova/4005-11317/
Monica Rambeau http://www.comicvine.com/spectrum/4005-11337/
VULCAN?? - http://www.comicvine.com/vulcan/4005-31293/ ???

Decter has Cable too.

Classic Captain Comet
Starman (Ted Knight pre COIE obciosly since his only appearsnces post are retired and no device)
Dr Occult

Originally posted by Decter
I give up Enchantress and Kang

I draft

Jay Garrick- http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_

Magneto- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Eisenhardt_ Magneto and Cable also count for 2 mid heralds

Thanks for keeping track. If everyone could list what tier their pick is from, that would help.

Mid Herald:FIRESTORM (http://www.comicvine.com/firestorm/4005-2353/)
Mid Meta: MORLUN (http://www.comicvine.com/morlun/4005-17613/)
Street: FANTOMEX (http://www.comicvine.com/fantomex/4005-4281/)

Did I miss anyone so far?

Blair Wind
Mid Meta: Hawkman
http://www.comicvine.com/hawkman/4005-8337/

Mid Meta: Hank Pym
http://www.comicvine.com/hank-pym/4005-2247/

Low Herald: Absorbing Man
http://www.comicvine.com/absorbing-man/4005-1779/

DARKSAINT'S PICKS
Mid Herald:FIRESTORM (http://www.comicvine.com/firestorm/4005-2353/)
Mid Meta: MORLUN (http://www.comicvine.com/morlun/4005-17613/)
Street: FANTOMEX (http://www.comicvine.com/fantomex/4005-4281/)

Carver
Doctor Doom
Wonder Woman

abhilegend
Captain Atom - Preboot
Starhawk
Manchester black.

Decter - TWO MID HERALDS
Cable (full power)- http://marvel.com/universe/Cable
Jay Garrick- http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_
Magneto- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Eisenhardt_

LordofBrooklyn
Cassandra Nova http://www.comicvine.com/cassandra-nova/4005-11317/
Monica Rambeau http://www.comicvine.com/spectrum/4005-11337/
VULCAN?? - http://www.comicvine.com/vulcan/4005-31293/ ???

beatboks
Classic Captain Comet
Starman (Ted Knight pre COIE obviously since his only appearances post are retired and no device)
Dr Occult

Originally posted by Smurph
- Absorbing Man and amping. I don't want to call out Blair's strategy (sly), but I am curious about where the line is, given that his power is basically self-amps.

This, still.

http://www.comicvine.com/doctor-occult/4005-11291/http://www.comicvine.com/ted-knight/4005-9296/http://www.comicvine.com/captain-comet/4005-30559/

What is this I see with Blair Wind assigned Absorbing Man?

I posted AT THE SAME TIME for Creel!!!!!

That makes it a TIE and all ties go to ROYALTY!!!

As the RULER of The House of El, Absorbing Man, is rightfully mine!!!!

Mid Herald - Classic Capt Comet
http://www.comicvine.com/captain-comet/4005-30559/

Low herald - Ted Knight
http://www.comicvine.com/ted-knight/4005-9296/

Mid /maybe high meta - Dr Occult
http://www.comicvine.com/doctor-occult/4005-11291/

Out of curiosity where would you guys rank post resrrection Capt Comet. He was no longer class 100+, no super speed, and no longer had invulnerability. His psionic powers however got quite a boost

KM swears he is trancendent. But that's just Canadian logic at play.

Originally posted by "Id"
KM swears he is trancendent. But that's just Canadian logic at play.

I thought KM thought that about Nu52 Comet. I mean pre 52 post mystery in space resurrection story. He wasnt even a genius anymore (that part sucks). Though he could TP stomp 5 clones of his former body in seconds. He also casually undid the mind job it took a dozen of his former bodies clones to do on the Weird in seconds.