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So we have new high tier characters like Vaylin, Senya, Valkorion, Arcann, The Outlander in the lore and I'm curious to see where people rank them as of now.

Please avoid their hypothetical peaks and focus on their actualized potentials. So where do you rank them compared to other characters in the lore?

My assessment at the time is:

Vaylin: Malgus level(I have Malgus between Vader and Dooku. Vaylin, more or less equal to Malgus)
Arcann: Krayt level - I think Krayt is Revan/Kun tier(above Vader but below Plagueis)
The Outlander: This one is hard to gauge. He should be Dooku level imo but I'm willing to change opinions.
Senya: I'm not sure how to view her victory against Vaylin. The fact that Vaylin tried to use the force to get the upper hand after losing the duel and still fail says a lot about Senya imo. If she is indeed above Vaylin, she should at least be Vader tier. I'll wait to see other people's comments though.
Valkorion: Easily DE Sidious level at this point. In fact he has superior showings in several areas but due to Sidious' perfection(being the best in both force and sabers etc) and Force Storms, I still won't put Valky above Sidious until I see better arguments and new feats.

So where do you rank them?

Vaylin: Around Marek level. She's not as skilled as Malgus, but much more powerful.
Arcann: Somewhere around Vader, who is pretty much around the same level as all those people you just put above him.
Senya: Close to Obi-Wan or Mace. The fact that she can fight Vaylin is cool and all, but she was absolutely tooled by Heskal in the Force, who is weaker than the Outlander
Valkorion: A far as displays or raw power and combat efficiency go, he's at or above DE Sidious for me.

Well I'm gonna wait until I can play it all through myself, personally. Especially with the Outsider.

The Knight is officially Kenobi level, tbh.

- Great skill with a blade.
- Terrible Force defenses.
- One of the best Jedi ever.

How does the Knight have terrible Force defenses? Even Anakin can be TK'd, and his Force defences are l33t.

She blocked Vitiate's lightning and resisted his other powers in the Dark Temple. She was also stated to be too powerful for his telepathy. So not really. The TOR protags just get dunked on for some reason.

Not sure why Vaylin is on Starkiller's tier. She has one great force feat but SK has better.

And then she has one rather unimpressive dueling feat which once again SK has better.

Valkorion is damn impressive though. And Arcann defending himself against that tempest was also a very good feat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She blocked Vitiate's lightning and resisted his other powers in the Dark Temple.

Clearly Vitiate was vastly weakened.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Knight is officially Kenobi level, tbh.

- Great skill with a blade.
- Terrible Force defenses.
- One of the best Jedi ever.

Seems reasonable.

BTW, Senya is apparently a "melee specialist."

Originally posted by ares834
Not sure why Vaylin is on Starkiller's tier. She has one great force feat but SK has better.

And then she has one rather unimpressive dueling feat which once again SK has better.

Valkorion is damn impressive though. And Arcann defending himself against that tempest was also a very good feat.
Because I don't find Starkiller that impressive.

Originally posted by ares834
Not sure why Vaylin is on Starkiller's tier. She has one great force feat but SK has better.
Vaylin tore a building apart and threw its (multi-storied) chunks like missiles towards another building. In addition, Vaylin sabotaged and destroyed the gigantic power core of the city. Check this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t619094.html

Now honestly tell me if Galen Marek and Darth Vader have any superior showings. They don't.

Originally posted by ares834
And then she has one rather unimpressive dueling feat which once again SK has better.
Unimpressive? Based on?

Is Senya supposed to be unimpressive?

Originally posted by ares834
Clearly Vitiate was vastly weakened.

It was still on an immense Darkside nexus, after she'd fought through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards and expended her energy saving Kira/Doc.

The Hero's still stated to be above all Jedi of the era, which holds Jedi way more powerful than Kenobi.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Check this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t619094.html

Now honestly tell me if Galen Marek and Darth Vader have any superior showings.

They do, honestly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was still on an immense Darkside nexus, after she'd fought through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards and expended her energy saving Kira/Doc..
Doubt it. Vitiate states the Hero couldn't defeat an army of under a dozen Zakuul Knights with the aid of an expert swordsman and a powerful Sith.

Hero clearly isn't an army-buster like you led us all to believe.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was still on an immense Darkside nexus, after she'd fought through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards and expended her energy saving Kira/Doc.

Which brings me back to my original point, Vitiate was vastly weakened.

The Outlander (without tapping Valkorion's power) is weaker than Arcann or Revan so clearly (s)he is also below a full powered Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They do, honestly.
Examples?

Originally posted by ares834
Not sure why Vaylin is on Starkiller's tier. She has one great force feat but SK has better.

And then she has one rather unimpressive dueling feat which once again SK has better.

Valkorion is damn impressive though. And Arcann defending himself against that tempest was also a very good feat.



As of chapter 3, I'm willing to concede that Vaylin is Kota-level. 'Killer would wreck her shit as of now.

Legend: All are Yoda/Palpatine tier.

Originally posted by The_Tempest


As of chapter 3, I'm willing to concede that Vaylin is Kota-level. 'Killer would wreck her shit as of now.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


Dude, I can't stress enough how little anyone cares what you think.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Dude, I can't stress enough how little anyone cares what you think.
And you mistakenly believe that any serious debater takes you seriously. Your nonsense is getting old, dude. You look at TOR era stuff with the mindset to low-ball its depictions. Your evaluations are far from transparent.

Wouldn't my evaluations be transparent if that were the case? mmm

In terms of combat potential:

Valkorion > Arcann > Vaylin > Senya

Valkorion I have as a match for ROTJ Sidious
Arcann I have as a match for Vader at the moment, potential for higher.
Vaylin I have as Starkiller level, yeh
Senya's Kenobi.

Raw power wise?

Valkorion > Vaylin > Arcann > Senya

Same as above, except Vaylin would rise to Vader level raw power, perhaps higher, once we see her fully unrestrained.

Yes, I put Vaylin > Senya. Vaylin wasn't fighting to kill, she told Arcann she wanted her mother back, and she employed Dun Moch in an attempt to do just that. The fact she didn't abuse her force advantage means she was likely holding back, and her line "Mother let me live, I'm going to kill her" implies the same...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Kindly take your nonsense elsewhere.

Also, mad lowballing Temp

Originally posted by Sinious
Also, mad lowballing Temp

Sin, I know you desperately want Vaylin to be capable of farting the likes of Vader, 'Killer, and so forth out of existence, but I stand by what I said: as of chapter 3, she's Kota-level feat-wise.

Well, if you want to take Kota's feats at face value, he's better than Dooku, so that doesn't mean much, Temp.

LAL.

You guys are mad-overrating this KotFE shit. Vaylin being Starkiller level is suicidal shit, and Arcann isn't Vader level either.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well, if you want to take Kota's feats at face value, he's better than Dooku, so that doesn't mean much, Temp.

I do take Kota's feats at face value. Doesn't mean I'm opposed to power-scaling for Dooku, Vaylin, or anybody else. Notice I didn't say Kota could take her. I said feat-wise, he's on a level with her. Which he is.

Cool. Like I said, feat-wise, Kota is better than Mace or Dooku. Your intentions of getting everyone butthurt is noted, but it doesn't mean much when you actually read what you write. It's obvious you're trying to write it off as Vaylin is trashy, let's be honest. Simply not the truth.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LAL.

You guys are mad-overrating this KotFE shit. Vaylin being Starkiller level is suicidal shit, and Arcann isn't Vader level either.
Go ahead. I'll be at your funeral.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cool. Like I said, feat-wise, Kota is better than Mace or Dooku. Your intentions of getting everyone butthurt is noted, but it doesn't mean much when you actually read what you write. It's obvious you're trying to write it off as Vaylin is trashy, let's be honest. Simply not the truth.

Not at all. KOTFE's feats have been alleged to be omg ub3r. So far, I'm finding nothing out of the ordinary, hence why I mentioned it. No one's trying to make anyone butthurt: yours is simply a chronic condition.

http://www.tinymosquito.com/images/preparation-h.jpg

Here you go. Apply liberally.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Doubt it. Vitiate states the Hero couldn't defeat an army of under a dozen Zakuul Knights with the aid of an expert swordsman and a powerful Sith.

Hero clearly isn't an army-buster like you led us all to believe.

Lol, you clearly haven't played Swtor enough if you think the amount of enemies on screen is reliable. "A squad of my best men" usually mean 2 or 3 people. An "army" of under 12 dudes is obviously horseshit.

Led you to believe? I merely stated the facts. Scourge outright says there's legions of Sith in Kaas City and obviously Vitiate wouldn't surround himself with a few guys in the Dark Temple. She also fought through Vitiate's fortress and got there faster than any of the other Jedi did despite them grouping up. Every protag is an army buster in TOR, they do it so often I don't even note when it happens anymore.

Originally posted by ares834
Which brings me back to my original point, Vitiate was vastly weakened.

The Outlander (without tapping Valkorion's power) is weaker than Arcann or Revan so clearly (s)he is also below a full powered Vitiate.

Bolding the word really gets it across, yes. He wasn't that weakened bro and he was on a huge nexus and had tons of time to recover.

Oh wow, I guess she sucks then. All I said was that the Knight's defenses aren't shit. Which is canonically true.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Examples?

The Force Unleashed is the most insane source in the mythos, bro. Like Tempest says, even a scrub like Kota rips a massive orbital platform from it's supports. Starkiller does things like TK thousands of droids with an "artificial hurricane" that stretches them over the horizon like a dark cloud, disintegrates half a freighter, one-shots an AT-AT with lightning and tons of other bollocks.

You shouldn't take any of it seriously cuz it's completely over the top and exaggerated, but Starkiller and Vader definitely have better showings than Vaylin if you want to go there.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sin, I know you desperately want Vaylin to be capable of farting the likes of Vader, 'Killer, and so forth out of existence, but I stand by what I said: as of chapter 3, she's Kota-level feat-wise. Don't accuse me of things with no reason dude its not nice.

I think Vaylin is Vader level in TK but needs to prove herself more to be on Vader level in overall. Kota is a bit depressing though.

Your denial is noted, but nevertheless laughable.

People casually ripping giant machinery meant to support a min-sun and then hurling at the protagonist is out of the ordinary, quite frankly.

Using Kota as your standard doesn't change that fact.

Originally posted by Sinious
Don't accuse me of things with no reason dude its not nice.

I think Vaylin is Vader level in TK but needs to prove herself more to be on Vader level in overall. Kota is a bit depressing though.

Less an accusation than it is an observation.

Vaylin's comparable to Kota in terms of TK. Vader would wreck her shit. But again, I've only just finished chapter 4.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Less an accusation than it is an observation.

Vaylin's comparable to Kota in terms of TK. Vader would wreck her shit. But again, I've only just finished chapter 4. Keep accusing.

Like others stated, your approach on Kota puts him above a lot of people that we all know to be higher than him including yourself.

Originally posted by Sinious
Keep accusing.

Like others stated, your approach on Kota puts him above a lot of people that we all know to be higher than him including yourself.

facepalm

No one is putting Kota "above" anybody. Go back and reread where I specifically mentioned power-scaling and how I specifically went out of my way to not say Kota = Vaylin, let alone > Vaylin.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Go ahead. I'll be at your funeral.

Sure. You supplying the pistol?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
facepalm

No one is putting Kota "above" anybody. Go back and reread where I specifically mentioned power-scaling and how I specifically went out of my way to not say Kota = Vaylin, let alone > Vaylin. Fair enough.(didnt see your last post on this tbh)

So, where do you rank them compared to others?

Originally posted by Sinious
Fair enough.(didnt see your last post on this tbh)

So, where do you rank them compared to others?

One would think your enduring obsession with me would compel you to read my posts. Your version of stalking includes all the creep factor and none of the diligence. uhuh

Hard to give a reliable opinion on holistic power levels without seeing the full game. In the middle of chapter 5 now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bolding the word really gets it across, yes. He wasn't that weakened bro and he was on a huge nexus and had tons of time to recover.

I'm not sure where you ge the notion that he "wasn't that weakened". Which is why I brought up the Outlander being weaker than Arcann as Arcann is nowhere near as powerful as Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh wow, I guess she sucks then.

Read above.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
One would think your enduring obsession with me would compel you to read my posts. Your version of stalking includes all the creep factor and none of the diligence. uhuh

Hard to give a reliable opinion on holistic power levels without seeing the full game. In the middle of chapter 5 now. LMFAO, I didn't see it dude. And I was just curious about your assessment, chillax tbh.

Post when you finish tbh

Vaylin:Vader level in force, no idea where to rank her in skill

Arcann: Vader/Kun tier in all (****ing badass)

Senya-Possibly close to Kenobi tier in sabers? I need to rewatched where they visit the Scions

Outlander: no idea but nowhere near Arcann lol

The Outlander's gonna beat Arcann legit eventually I'm sure.

Just like he was going to beat Revan legitly?

Isn't that what happened tho?

I recall him having to bring with him a massive team bc Revan was too powerful for him alone.

Just like how it will be for Arcann, I suspect.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I do take Kota's feats at face value. Doesn't mean I'm opposed to power-scaling for Dooku, Vaylin, or anybody else. Notice I didn't say Kota could take her. I said feat-wise, he's on a level with her. Which he is.
You are absolutely wrong.

Rahm Kota ripped a dome-like structure apart from its support structure and nothing else. This dome-like structure is like 2 or 3 stories tall (ignoring its antennas). However, Kota was not in the position to rip the dome-like structure (itself) apart or even capable of doing such a thing.

Have a look:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2884g9v.png

In contrast, Vaylin's showings are on a whole new level. She destroyed a Skyscraper-like structure in two phases: bottom structure first and power core afterwards.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2hquykk.png

The power core is absolutely gigantic. It is like 10 stories tall.

Here is a better view of this Skyscraper-like structure:

http://i58.tinypic.com/ioqiwz.png

The bottom structure is bigger then the power core. It is like 15 stories tall.

---

Vaylin tore the bottom structure apart:

http://i60.tinypic.com/1254xvn.png

http://i57.tinypic.com/10xhgxz.png

And hurled several huge (multi-storied) chunks like missiles towards another building:

http://i57.tinypic.com/ehezbb.png

http://i58.tinypic.com/2zh12px.png

Have a good look at the size of chunks; they are like 5 - 7 stories tall each.

---

Vaylin then proceeded to destroy the power core afterwards.

---

In the nutshell, there is no comparison between these showings and your assessment is lame.

Double.

Well if you say they're 5-7 stories a piece, can't argue with that!

Move on, Leg...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well if you say they're 5-7 stories a piece, can't argue with that!

Move on, Leg...
My assessment is accurate. You don't pay attention to details like I do.

Can you spot the Outlander in the pic below?

http://i58.tinypic.com/oi652e.png

Look at the size of trees.

You will notice these trees in this pic as well:

http://i57.tinypic.com/ehezbb.png

Also, count the rows of windows; they represent floors.

I have circled a chunk for you:

http://i61.tinypic.com/1zm09jp.png

Sorry dude, your propaganda ends here.

I can see you accounted for everything.

I concede.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I can see you accounted for everything.

I concede.
Of-course, dude! This is the best you can do.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Of-course, dude! This is the best you can do.

http://media.giphy.com/media/igR5863TALcSk/giphy.gif

Overblown as it is, it's still pretty impressive to rip apart that huge dome and throw those bus-sized chunks so far.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Overblown as it is, it's still pretty impressive to rip apart that huge dome and throw those bus-sized chunks so far.

Agreed.

LeGenD, stop treating Temp like this is the SWTOR forum.

No idea what that means.

He dominates there, squashing ask attempts at rebellion without a second thought.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He dominates there, squashing ask attempts at rebellion without a second thought.

wat

I thought Sheevism ruled on SWTOR. mmm

He solos that forum on a daily basis. They try to fight, but they all lose in the end.

That was before Aurb lost his powers.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He solos that forum on a daily basis. They try to fight, but they all lose in the end. I keep hearing about Legend's glorious victories on SWTOR Forums. I wonder why he can't do the same here. KMC > SWTORForums confirmed tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Overblown as it is, it's still pretty impressive to rip apart that huge dome and throw those bus-sized chunks so far.
It is not overblown. You are terrible at scaling just like The_Tempest.

I am giving scaling another try:-

Check this image:

http://i60.tinypic.com/27yr62u.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Top arrow points towards a multi-story structure that Vaylin initially targeted. Lets call it "bottom structure" since it rests below the "power core." It is like 15 stories tall.

2. Middle arrow points towards Lana Beniko and the Outlander. Notice how small they are in comparison to the surroundings?

3. Bottom arrow points towards gigantic trees that are like 10 stories tall each.

Now check this image:

http://i58.tinypic.com/hv1oac.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Left arrow points towards the "bottom structure."

2. Middle arrow points towards the protagonists mentioned above.

3. Right arrow points towards the power grids that separate the "bottom structure" from the area where Vaylin will throw the chunks.

Now check this image:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2m6jv5g.png

You can notice 3 arrows.

1. Bottom arrow points towards the power grids that separate the "bottom structure" from the area where Vaylin is throwing the chunks. This time, angle is focused towards the area where chunks are being thrown by Vaylin.

2. Middle arrow points towards gigantic trees that are like 10 stories tall as pointed out by me earlier.

3. Top arrow points towards a massive chunk that is much larger then a bus in sheer size.

Now check this image:

http://i57.tinypic.com/1eat95.png

You can notice a single arrow.

This arrow points towards a Starship that is passing by and it can be used for scaling purpose. The power core (itself) is like 10 stories tall.

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Clear enough?

Valkorion = Sidious

Arcann = Vader

Vaylin = Vader/Dooku

Senya = Kenobi

Vaylin's probably gonna rise notably higher, though. Maybe even Valkorion as well.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Vaylin = Vader/Dooku

Nah not yet, her sabers too disappoint.

Yo bro quiet down rn

Vaylin > Vader when KOTFE is over doe

Originally posted by Sinious
I keep hearing about Legend's glorious victories on SWTOR Forums. I wonder why he can't do the same here. KMC > SWTORForums confirmed tbh.
There's nothing glorious about what he does.

I'll lmfao if Senya holds her own against Arcann in a duel

Senya will probably face Vaylin again and utterly fail because Vaylin discovered moar of her power and shit

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion = Sidious

Arcann = Vader

Vaylin = Vader/Dooku

Senya = Kenobi
Valkorion > Darth Sidious

Arcann >= Darth Plagueis / Revan (SoR) / Yoda

Vaylin ~= Darth Plagueis / Revan (SoR) / Yoda

Senya = Anakin Skywalker (Episode III) / Darth Vader

Fixed.

Double.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vaylin tore a building apart and threw its (multi-storied) chunks like missiles towards another building. In addition, Vaylin sabotaged and destroyed the gigantic power core of the city. Check this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t619094.html

Now honestly tell me if Galen Marek and Darth Vader have any superior showings. They don't.http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.pngOriginally posted by Sinious
I keep hearing about Legend's glorious victories on SWTOR Forums. I wonder why he can't do the same here. KMC > SWTORForums confirmed tbh.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Arcann >= Revan (SoR)

I don't think Arcann is above Revan tbhOriginally posted by Beniboybling
Are you one of his victims?

Originally posted by Sinious
I don't think Arcann is above Revan tbh Are you one of his victims?

I think the fact Beni of all people has slaughtered LeGenD over a hundred times tells you just how he fares on SWTOR

I hear the opposite Sel. Freshest tells me he shamelessly slaughters everyone he encounters there.

Originally posted by Sinious
I hear the opposite Sel. Freshest tells me he shamelessly slaughters everyone he encounters there.

If you call the following a slaughter:

> arrives for a TOR debate
> Posts irrelevant walls of text to argue his point
> gets slaughtered by the fodder debaters because Me/Aurb/Beni can't be assed to even deal with him.
> won't shut the **** up
> beni steps in with a mammoth post
> Legend stops replying to any threads
> comes back 4 months later and tries again.

Idk, up to you

Originally posted by Selenial
I think the fact Beni of all people has slaughtered LeGenD over a hundred times tells you just how he fares on SWTOR
You are exaggerating.

That member have yet to respond to some of my posts as well. Latest example: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=790858&page=497

Originally posted by Selenial
If you call the following a slaughter:

> arrives for a TOR debate
> Posts irrelevant walls of text to argue his point
> gets slaughtered by the fodder debaters because Me/Aurb/Beni can't be assed to even deal with him.
> won't shut the **** up
> beni steps in with a mammoth post
> Legend stops replying to any threads
> comes back 4 months later and tries again.

Idk, up to you Hmm, I need comments on this from Freshest.

Originally posted by Selenial
If you call the following a slaughter:

> arrives for a TOR debate
> Posts irrelevant walls of text to argue his point
> gets slaughtered by the fodder debaters because Me/Aurb/Beni can't be assed to even deal with him.
> won't shut the **** up
> beni steps in with a mammoth post
> Legend stops replying to any threads
> comes back 4 months later and tries again.

Idk, up to you
> Check

>

>

Like following?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=790858&page=502
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=842201&page=4

> WTF?

I have exercised great restraint in this thread for example: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=139297

> Seldom

> Because I have a life.

> I am not a regular subscriber. Only subscribers have posting rights.

Originally posted by Sinious
Hmm, I need comments on this from Freshest.
You expect her to be transparent about my debating history? Look no further then my above response. Unfortunately, she is still butt-hurt over the fact that my views are largely correct.

These are guys who have argued for years that Darths Caedus and Plagueis are more powerful then Valkorion. Do the math.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She is the last one to seek an opinion about my debating history. She is still butthurt over the fact that my views are being proven true. Which is why I need Freshest's opinion.

Originally posted by Sinious
Which is why I need Freshest's opinion.
I edited my previous response; you may check it.

As for my debating history over there, I just speak my mind. Never attempted to monopolize discussions with 'online gang' tactics and promote an agenda.

Now, I don't want to raise fingers but I can identify some members who have relentlessly attempted to monopolize discussions (with 'online gang' tactics) and promote their agenda in the SWTOR community. Anybody who dared to challenge their views was silenced through sheer abuse and trolling. A large number of members stopped debating as a consequence. You will seldom notice a member who would debate in favor of a TOR era character in SWTOR community. Sounds strange right?

You see, I don't have personal beef with those members but their reactions continue to surprise me. If Selenial wants to open the Pandora box, so be it. She won't get away with her mud-slinging.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You expect her to be transparent about my debating history? Look no further then my above response. Unfortunately, she is still butt-hurt over the fact that my views are largely correct.

These are guys who have argued for years that Darths Caedus and Plagueis are more powerful then Valkorion. Do the math.

Kek at you thinking because Valkorion gets new feats, that your ridiculous notions of Novel!Vitiate > Sidious prove true.

I have no qualms with Valkorion being on his level now, but your arguments in the past ever remain retarded and baseless, some things never change.

Originally posted by Selenial
Kek at you thinking because Valkorion gets new feats, that your ridiculous notions of Novel!Vitiate > Sidious prove true.

I have no qualms with Valkorion being on his level now, but your arguments in the past ever remain retarded and baseless, some things never change.
Since you have not been paying proper attention to my posts and adopted a hostile posture towards my views, it doesn't surprises me that you remain ignorant of my views up till now.

In my (first) post in SWTOR community (several years back), I clearly pointed out that Vitiate and Darth Sidious are on the same page. I consulted every SWTOR source to make sure that I am not misrepresenting Vitiate's capabilities (single source was not enough). I proposed to Beni that he should create a TIER for Vitiate and Darth Sidious in his "real most powerful" ranking threads. He disagreed, and so did you and a few others.

My (current) stance is that Vitiate is more powerful then Darth Sidious. This is based on latest SWTOR-related developments (Shadow of Revan and newer content). Feel free to disagree again but you should stop with your negativity and accusations.

Originally posted by Sinious
Are you one of his victims? https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gifOriginally posted by Selenial
If you call the following a slaughter:

> arrives for a TOR debate
> Posts irrelevant walls of text to argue his point
> gets slaughtered by the fodder debaters because Me/Aurb/Beni can't be assed to even deal with him.
> won't shut the **** up
> beni steps in with a mammoth post
> Legend stops replying to any threads
> comes back 4 months later and tries again.

Idk, up to you

Originally posted by Sinious
Which is why I need Freshest's opinion.
Yeah, fodder debaters don't beat LeGenD in debates there, and the fodder debaters on the TOR forum could give even McP a run for his money.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif
You may have won a few battles but I am winning the war. You are loosing momentum and running out of arguments, son.

It's cute that you think that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's cute that you think that.
Yes. Yes. I can feel your anger.

I hope you that isn't your new one liner, it's already stale.

Don't do it, Beni. You aren't ready.

I will be once I've played KotFE. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

SWL's using my shtick mmm

I don't like it uhuh

I've noticed a pattern with TOR stuff.

Namely, they appear really uber and invincible when introduced, more stories happen, then they get beaten by known-not-so-invincible characters, and we readjust our understandings of their power.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
SWL's using my shtick mmm

I don't like it uhuh
You must be tormented until you bend the knee. uhuh

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, fodder debaters don't beat LeGenD in debates there, and the fodder debaters on the TOR forum could give even McP a run for his money. What about their best warriors? Is there no one that can stop Legend there?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You must be tormented until you bend the knee. uhuh

He bends on his knees for any guy who will wank Sidious

What a loser.

He's bent for a few who haven't, trust me.

Originally posted by Q99
I've noticed a pattern with TOR stuff.

Namely, they appear really uber and invincible when introduced, more stories happen, then they get beaten by known-not-so-invincible characters, and we readjust our understandings of their power.
Wut? In the end they either get beaten by a protagonist, or in the case of Jadus distracted long enough to get cornered, or gang raped by a shit ton of people because no on can take them on solo. You definitely know next to nothing about TOR if you think us killing them is a mark of weakness.
Originally posted by Sinious
What about their best warriors? Is there no one that can stop Legend there?
You Aub/Sel/Beni/Whathaveyou? They don't really talk with LeGenD that much, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

You Aub/Sel/Beni/Whathaveyou? They don't really talk with LeGenD that much, for obvious reasons. You what?

Cause they're afraid? :rapetime: