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How do you think this fight actually goes?

Not sure of the context of these scans, so...
Each fight is no prep no BFR, midtown Manhattan.

1. Juggernaut with force field/full power Magneto (no amps)

2. Juggernaut no force field/full power Magneto (no amps)

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/image_zpsk4daxu1d.jpg

It's from a What if. It's actually Xavier as Juggernaut (1st scan).

That's how the fight should go, btw.

Despite his great power, Mags has to rest and sleep like a normal person; Juggs doesn't have to sleep and will never tire...

Eventually Juggs catches him and kills him...

I forgot how scary Xaviernaut was. His one weakness not only negated, but also a power on its own. Physically and mentally a juggernaut.

Cain stomps.

Poor maggy.

So since The Hulk can toss around Juggy that means that Hulk would have even less trouble with Maggy then Juggy did?

Magneto was cautious about facing Hulk recently and Mags had a team backing him up.

It is always fun to see Marvel dance around the egg shells when topics like this come up.

Is Magneto back near his upper levels? He was weakened a lot after the Phoenix Five thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Magneto was cautious about facing Hulk recently and Mags had a team backing him up.
Very wise.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
It is always fun to see Marvel dance around the egg shells when topics like this come up.
Thats why talking comics is always so damn fun!

Removing BFR pretty much took away the only option Magneto has here.

However there might be one way besides BFR if he can remove Juggernauts helmet. I only bring this up because I could of sworn Magneto has at times shown he can manipulate someones mind via magnetism. Something to do with manipulating the electrical impulses in the brain. I'm not sure exactly what he could do with this though.

Mags has telepathy.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/64358/1750263-untitled.jpg

There is also two important questions that need to be asked:

1-Has Juggernaut ever contradicted Magneto?
2-Has Juggernaut ever offended Magneto?

Because if the answer to either of those is "yes" then shit is about to hit the fan:

Kkc_Myyye20

Also remember boys and girls..fuel is for lesser men. So says Magneto.

Originally posted by Surtur
There is also two important questions that need to be asked:

1-Has Juggernaut ever contradicted Magneto?
2-Has Juggernaut ever offended Magneto?

Because if the answer to either of those is "yes" then shit is about to hit the fan:

Kkc_Myyye20

Originally posted by Surtur
There is also two important questions that need to be asked:

1-Has Juggernaut ever contradicted Magneto?
2-Has Juggernaut ever offended Magneto?

Because if the answer to either of those is "yes" then shit is about to hit the fan:

Kkc_Myyye20

Also remember boys and girls..fuel is for lesser men. So says Magneto.

crylaugh

Gonna have nightmares. This version of Mags is just too much for me

Jeez!

If not for Richard's genius and his wooden gun, Magneto would never be stopped.

Wooden gun. That says it all.

mags isn't taking down juggy without bfr being used.

Originally posted by leonidas
mags isn't taking down juggy without bfr being used.

What if Juggy contradicts - or even worse - offends him?

Or hell this just got worse since this is in Manhattan. Magneto is going to see a "no parking" sign and flip out.

Say what?

See the video to the end.

Magneto hulks out after seeing "no parking" sign.

THE VERY SIGHT OF THAT SIGN OFFENDS ME

Ah. Pass!

Remember anything that offends Magneto must be destroyed.

But yeah it seems like he does have telepathy so it should be a way to achieve victory. I am not sure if Juggernauts forcefield would block the telepathy or prevent Magneto from manipulating objects inside the forcefield with magnetism.

Magneto

No BFR...Maggy is gonna fill up those Purple Depends of his.

Out of curiosity how is Magneto going to BFR someone who's forward momentum cant be stopped?

I suppose he could throw an entire city block up in the air. That might "get around" the enchantment..

Send him upwards.

Originally posted by riv6672
Out of curiosity how is Magneto going to BFR someone who's forward momentum cant be stopped?

I suppose he could throw an entire city block up in the air. That might "get around" the enchantment..

Even with that tactic, its just delaying the inevitable at best...

It might take a week or two, but Juggs will eventually win...

At some point Mags will get tired; at some point he'll get sleepy; at some point he'll have to sleep...

As long as Juggs relentlessly goes after him, Juggs Invulnerability and limitless stamina will prove decisive...

Juggs will win 10/10; the only question is how long will it take to secure victory...

I get that but, allowing for BFR it'd still be a forum win, right?

The OP doesnt allow BFR...

If Magneto flies from the US to China, how long will it take for Juggy to catch up? He can rest then.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Magneto flies from the US to China, how long will it take for Juggy to catch up? He can rest then.

If he does that then he's BFR'ed himself and loses...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If he does that then he's BFR'ed himself and loses...

BFR is off, so he can't lose, you helpfully pointed that out.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The OP doesnt allow BFR...
Well duh, its my OP, i know that.
I was just asking your opinion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BFR is off, so he can't lose, you helpfully pointed that out.

You might want to re-read the OP, BFR isnt an option here...

So Mags cant BFR himself without losing and he cant BFR Juggs...

Give it up DarkSaint; Mags cant stalemate or win his fight and you know it...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You might want to re-read the OP, BFR isnt an option here...

So Mags cant BFR himself without losing and he cant BFR Juggs...

Give it up DarkSaint; Mags cant stalemate or win his fight and you know it...



Guess OP can always change and have BFR on.

In any case, why can't Mags just rip that helmet off and TP Juggy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Guess OP can always change and have BFR on.

In any case, why can't Mags just rip that helmet off and TP Juggy?

There is no PIS in a forum fight and thus no reason why Juggs force field wont be up at all times...

With his force field up, Mags has no way of getting to his helmet...

Originally posted by riv6672
I get that but, allowing for BFR it'd still be a forum win, right?

Only if a character can't make his way back in reasonable time.

Juggernaut is able to run at super speed, similar as Ultimate Hulk or maybe Rhino.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no PIS in a forum fight and thus no reason why Juggs force field wont be up at all times...

With his force field up, Mags has no way of getting to his helmet...

Cyttorak isn't present to give power to Juggy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Guess OP can always change and have BFR on.

In any case, why can't Mags just rip that helmet off and TP Juggy?
How about leaving my OP alone and starting another thread if this one doesnt give the easy win one is looking for?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cyttorak isn't present to give power to Juggy

Doesnt have to be; Cyttorak always supplies Juggs with power...

Originally posted by riv6672
How about leaving my OP alone and starting another thread if this one doesnt give the easy win one is looking for?

HaI only brought that up as you will never get a straight answer from LoM - he prefers to ignore you and stick doggedly to parroting the same answer, even if it's not to the question you asked.

But if BFR WAS allowed, he can either throw the ground up into the air, or wrap Juggy in metal and THEN control that metal, or just control Juggy's metal.

Like so:
http://i.imgur.com/8jtahgN.jpg

OR:

http://i.imgur.com/AljNzrX.jpg

Or he could just reverse gravity (note, too, his psychic training):

http://i.imgur.com/jcJiZiG.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
HaI only brought that up as you will never get a straight answer from LoM - he prefers to ignore you and stick doggedly to parroting the same answer, even if it's not to the question you asked.

But if BFR WAS allowed, he can either throw the ground up into the air, or wrap Juggy in metal and THEN control that metal, or just control Juggy's metal.

Like so:
http://i.imgur.com/8jtahgN.jpg

OR:

http://i.imgur.com/AljNzrX.jpg

Or he could just reverse gravity (note, too, his psychic training):

http://i.imgur.com/jcJiZiG.jpg

Ah, but according to the OP, BFR is not allowed...

Because of that, plain and simply, Juggs wins...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
HaI only brought that up as you will never get a straight answer from LoM - he prefers to ignore you and stick doggedly to parroting the same answer, even if it's not to the question you asked.

But if BFR WAS allowed, he can either throw the ground up into the air, or wrap Juggy in metal and THEN control that metal, or just control Juggy's metal.

Like so:
http://i.imgur.com/8jtahgN.jpg

OR:

http://i.imgur.com/AljNzrX.jpg

Or he could just reverse gravity (note, too, his psychic training):

http://i.imgur.com/jcJiZiG.jpg

Gotcha. Thanks for a straight answer.

Wrapping Juggernaut with telekinesis force didn't do much, wrapping him in metal shouldn't either.

Gravity trick theoretically might work, as Beast was working on such a "prison" for Cain. Anti-grav bottle. Eventually trapped Cassandra Nova there, for a brief time anyway...

Even with that gravity trick, Cain still wins eventually...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ah, but according to the OP, BFR is not allowed...

Because of that, plain and simply, Juggs wins...

Indeed it is not; I was merely replying to a query from OP asking (I like bringing to light information which some people might not have previously known, for example, that Magneto sometimes wraps his victims in iron to manipulate them, or that Zauriel can erase the Phantom Stranger).

As per this thread, helmet off, TP, if it comes to it.

Or he can just bury him under rock. Spiderman immobilised him in cement in a canon comic:

http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ASM230_04-e1376847371520.jpg

I wonder if Magneto can replicate Shatterstar's feat?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/spiderman16-1.jpg

Granted, he healed back.....but over and over again?

Magical swords....sure. But if he can manipulate Juggy's helmet:
http://i.imgur.com/lNUdUHT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7QDFNJf.jpg

^^^Your Kung Fu is strong...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or he can just bury him under rock. Spiderman immobilised him in cement in a canon comic:

http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ASM230_04-e1376847371520.jpg


That cement pit was so deep, Cain actually ended up in bedrock levels. That's why it worked.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed it is not; I was merely replying to a query from OP asking (I like bringing to light information which some people might not have previously known, for example, that Magneto sometimes wraps his victims in iron to manipulate them, or that Zauriel can erase the Phantom Stranger).

As per this thread, helmet off, TP, if it comes to it.

Or he can just bury him under rock. Spiderman immobilised him in cement in a canon comic:

http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ASM230_04-e1376847371520.jpg

I wonder if Magneto can replicate Shatterstar's feat?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/spiderman16-1.jpg

Granted, he healed back.....but over and over again?

Magical swords....sure. But if he can manipulate Juggy's helmet:
http://i.imgur.com/lNUdUHT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7QDFNJf.jpg

No PIS in a forum fight; Mags has no way to get past the Force Field to get at his helmet...

Magneto's frail stamina and mortal weaknesses catch up with him and Juggs kills him when they do...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That cement pit was so deep, Cain actually ended up in bedrock levels. That's why it worked.

I have full faith in Magneto that if he can manipulate the EM fields of other planets and the Sun, going 40/50 feet below ground level should be relatively easy:

http://i.imgur.com/GAjwEch.jpg

Do you think he can manipulate the helmet/armour? Is it even metal???

I know he's manipulate Mjolnir before:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/2UIHz.jpg

Twice:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47999/1127051-magneto87.jpg

Yeah...the operative words there were "it worked".

As soon as he reached bedrock, he started digging his way out.

Yah....but long enough for a (cheap) forum win

But yeah, otherwise, Juggy merks him.