Weakest being who can survive...

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Galan007
Hal's Krona-buster:
http://i.imgur.com/aERFEYTl.jpg


Scenario 1: No shielding allowed.
Scenario 2: Shielding allowed.


*Note:
I'm not looking for characters who can survive via intangibility, energy manipulation, immortality, etc. I'm only interested in who can endure it by way of sheer durability, and/or shielding.

Go!

ShadowFyre
Current Mjolnir. The Jane Foster he is wielding dies though.

Prof. T.C McAbe
I see this as a Skyfather or low Abstract killer. So something above this should do the trick. Cyttorak would be a good choice.

Cogito
I think a number of people in Trans range with top tier durability could probably survive it. So people like Thanos (w/ shields), SBP, Doomsday, etc.

Krona was powerful, no doubt, but my gut says his durability wasn't that special.

TheLordofMurder
8th Day Juggs?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
I think a number of people in Trans range with top tier durability could probably survive it. So people like Thanos (w/ shields), SBP, Doomsday, etc.

Krona was powerful, no doubt, but my gut says his durability wasn't that special.
What are you talking about? Krona with no entities tanked attacks from Sayd, Larfleeze and several elite Lanterns without scratch.

With entities, he was abstract level in power.

Nobody short of Galactus has even a hope of survival. Hal has already Blasted through SBP with an ordinary blast. No way any Trans tier being can survive it.

Mindset
Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? Krona with no entities tanked attacks from Sayd, Larfleeze and several elite Lanterns without scratch.

With entities, he was abstract level in power.

Nobody short of Galactus has even a hope of survival. Hal has already Blasted through SBP with an ordinary blast. No way any Trans tier being can survive it. Superman could.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
I think a number of people in Trans range with top tier durability could probably survive it. So people like Thanos (w/ shields), SBP, Doomsday, etc.

Krona was powerful, no doubt, but my gut says his durability wasn't that special. Interesting. Any particular reason why you think this?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Mindset
Superman could. http://i67.tinypic.com/2lsidqf.gif

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal has already Blasted through SBP with an ordinary blast. When?

SquallX
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
When?

Am actually curious too, i've read all of Prime's stories, and not once did i remember what he's claiming.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Interesting. Any particular reason why you think this?
Originally posted by Cogito
my gut

/shrug


noneermm

Galan007
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
When? Maybe this:
http://i.imgur.com/w68SvfW.jpg

srug

Originally posted by Cogito
/shrug


noneermm Fair enough.

SquallX
Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe this:
http://i.imgur.com/w68SvfW.jpg

srug

Fair enough.

Thanks for the scans galan, but that proved nothing of what ahbi was claiming.

Hal cheap shot him, barely did any damage to him. Only for Prime to come back piss off and beat the crap out of Jordan. Jordan's only saving grace was plot and The Superman's team.

As for this fight, i see only Trans and higher to be able to survive, and certain character with specific abilities.

Prime
Arena Countdown Monarch
Doomsday will die but evolve
Extant
Zero Hour Parallax

Galan007
I think his point(and it is valid to an extent) is that under the same writer, one of Hal's 'standard' blasts appeared to pierce through Prime's hide... And the Krona-buster was many orders of magnitude greater, obviously.

Not saying I agree, but it is something to think about I suppose...

Originally posted by SquallX
Arena Countdown Monarch He doesn't have a prayer at enduring the blast, imo.

Cogito
http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t/24412434_gl_67_014.jpg

3 Pages before said blast, a ringless Sinestro gets him with the left hook.

Just sayin

Galan007
Are you really trying to play the "lets post the lowest possible showings we can scrounge up" game? If so, I'd be happy to post all of his high-end feats to counter.

...Guarantee I'll win that game. smile

SquallX
Originally posted by Galan007
I think his point(and it is valid to an extent) is that under the same writer, one of Hal's 'standard' blasts appeared to pierce through Prime's hide... And the Krona-buster was many orders of magnitude greater, obviously.

Not saying I agree, but it is something to think about I suppose...

He doesn't have a prayer at enduring the blast, imo.

You don't think he could survive by shielding himself?

Galan007
^ I don't recall Monarch utilizing any shielding that could tank a blast like that, but I could be forgetting something..?

SquallX
Originally posted by Galan007
^ I don't recall Monarch utilizing any shielding that could tank a blast like that, but I could be forgetting something..?

Not shields per say, but bracing for the impact itself.

cdtm
Juggernaut, of course. It's kind of his thing.

I'd bet Blue Beetle could survive it, given his suit is designed specifically to combat Green Lanterns.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Are you really trying to play the "lets post the lowest possible showings we can scrounge up" game? duster

But seriously, let's look at this a little more critically.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24412506_Krona_dead.png
GLs were totally ineffective at hurting Krona before the Buster. Is that because Krona has some insane abstract level durability? No, it's because the rings are programmed to "programmed to be unable to kill a guardian"

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24412505_gl_62_009.jpg
GL #62 - Atrocitus hurts Krona with both ring vomit and teeth.

GL #63-66 - Nobody attempts to hurt Krona

GL #67 - Krona is attacked 3 times. Ganthet goes after him, but we never see Ganthet actually attack. Sinestro without a ring gets the punch in that I already posted, and then Hal overcomes the ring's limitation on harming a Guardian.

So, I don't think I'm so out of line suggesting that Krona's durability wasn't that special

cdtm
Originally posted by Galan007
I think his point(and it is valid to an extent) is that under the same writer, one of Hal's 'standard' blasts appeared to pierce through Prime's hide... And the Krona-buster was many orders of magnitude greater, obviously.

Not saying I agree, but it is something to think about I suppose...

He doesn't have a prayer at enduring the blast, imo.

Abhi isn't wrong. But saying the same writer wrote both guys does as much to hurt his case, when you look at his overall body of work.

For example, he had Hal Jordan break loose from construct restraints.created by those cyborg peacekeepers.

He did this WITH A DEPLETED RING.

Or, there's the fact Hal was holding his own with Sinestrolax, who normally is more then a match for Hal without an amp. (Not to mention, Sin beat that white light using Quadrion guy after he wiped the floor with Ganthet, Kyle, John Stewart, Sodam Yat..)

And are we supposed to accept Hal's "standard" blast is so much stronger then "Ion" Sodam Yat's best shots, both in Sinestro War and Legion of 3 Worlds?

All done by the same guy, and it doesn't add up. You might say, it almost makes Hal look like a "pet character", or dare I say it, a "Gary Stu".

-Pr-
Sodam Yat was shit, though.

cdtm
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sodam Yat was shit, though.

Yes, he totally was. sick

That's kind of my point, though. John's had Hal look more impressive in that one moment then he let Yat look during his whole time as Ion.

Or hell, forget about Ion. Hal looked better then the Guardians AND Anti Monitor (Who ironically failed to kill Yat BEFORE he got the Ion entity..)

Mindset
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, he totally was. sick

That's kind of my point, though. John's had Hal look more impressive in that one moment then he let Yat look during his whole time as Ion.

Or hell, forget about Ion. Hal looked better then the Guardians AND Anti Monitor (Who ironically failed to kill Yat BEFORE he got the Ion entity..) Regular Yat looked better than Ion Yat.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
duster

But seriously, let's look at this a little more critically.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24412506_Krona_dead.png
GLs were totally ineffective at hurting Krona before the Buster. Is that because Krona has some insane abstract level durability? No, it's because the rings are programmed to "programmed to be unable to kill a guardian"

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24412505_gl_62_009.jpg
GL #62 - Atrocitus hurts Krona with both ring vomit and teeth.

GL #63-66 - Nobody attempts to hurt Krona

GL #67 - Krona is attacked 3 times. Ganthet goes after him, but we never see Ganthet actually attack. Sinestro without a ring gets the punch in that I already posted, and then Hal overcomes the ring's limitation on harming a Guardian.

So, I don't think I'm so out of line suggesting that Krona's durability wasn't that special
This is flat lowballing at its finest.

Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg

That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.

Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?

laughing out loud

abhilegend
Originally posted by cdtm
Abhi isn't wrong. But saying the same writer wrote both guys does as much to hurt his case, when you look at his overall body of work.

For example, he had Hal Jordan break loose from construct restraints.created by those cyborg peacekeepers.

He did this WITH A DEPLETED RING.

Or, there's the fact Hal was holding his own with Sinestrolax, who normally is more then a match for Hal without an amp. (Not to mention, Sin beat that white light using Quadrion guy after he wiped the floor with Ganthet, Kyle, John Stewart, Sodam Yat..)

And are we supposed to accept Hal's "standard" blast is so much stronger then "Ion" Sodam Yat's best shots, both in Sinestro War and Legion of 3 Worlds?

All done by the same guy, and it doesn't add up. You might say, it almost makes Hal look like a "pet character", or dare I say it, a "Gary Stu".
Yes, Hal is in his own League. Get over it.

cdtm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Hal is in his own League. Get over it.

Breaking out of a construct without a ring isn't "in his own league". It's shitty writing.

Cogito
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is flat lowballing at its finest.

Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg

That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.

Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?

laughing out loud

Show me more to support your case, because right now I'm outnumbering you, and providing them at a more relevant time in regards to Hal's feat

And don't get into Krona stomping people. I said he was powerful but with questionable durability.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
Show me more to support your case, because right now I'm outnumbering you, and providing them at a more relevant time in regards to Hal's feat

And don't get into Krona stomping people. I said he was powerful but with questionable durability.
You mean you showed Atrocitus hurting Krona and Sinestro punching him?

Carver logic at its finest.

How is his durability questionable?

Cogito
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean you showed Atrocitus hurting Krona and Sinestro punching him?

Carver logic at its finest.

How is his durability questionable?

Having high offensive power does not automatically translate into high durability.

I've shown twice as many "low" feats as you have semi-high (not even that impressive). So show me more, because right now yours is looking more like the outlier erm

abhilegend
Originally posted by Cogito
Having high offensive power does not automatically translate into high durability.

I've shown twice as many "low" feats as you have semi-high (not even that impressive). So show me more, because right now yours is looking more like the outlier erm
No, high level durability means high level durability.

We already saw Krona on his own tanking attacks from several Elite Lanterns like nothing. Larfleeze alone shits on any Herald.

To think all the entities didn't even increase his durability? Laughable. You're just looking for excuses at this point.

And you showed him getting hurt by Atrocitus. The same breath hurt Spectre too.

And getting punched by Sinestro isn't a low feat. He wasn't hurt in the least there.

Where would you put his durability? Human level, right? Sinestro hurt him with a punch of course.

erm

Philosophía
Seeing at how the blast killed a Galactus level being, roughly in that ballpark.

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is flat lowballing at its finest.

Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg

That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.

Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?

laughing out loud There's more to that scene, which makes it even more uber:

http://i.imgur.com/62VvkvFm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/utTVV1Om.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XPxQZfmm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CEav2wZm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0OmfTaBm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SpaQhgsm.jpg


Nothing they did caused any damage to Krona.

Cogito
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, high level durability means high level durability.

We already saw Krona on his own tanking attacks from several Elite Lanterns like nothing. Larfleeze alone shits on any Herald.

To think all the entities didn't even increase his durability? Laughable. You're just looking for excuses at this point.

And you showed him getting hurt by Atrocitus. The same breath hurt Spectre too.

And getting punched by Sinestro isn't a low feat. He wasn't hurt in the least there.

Where would you put his durability? Human level, right? Sinestro hurt him with a punch of course.

erm

It's absolutely lowballing, but I'm playing devil's advocate here. I've yet to see anything that points to Hal's blast being Galactus-killing level, except ridiculous hype and supposition.

Would Galactus even register Atrocitus or ringless Sinestro? Phuck no.

Taking hits from the Lanterns you showed is a trans level durability feat. Nothing more. And while you and others say that having the entities must bump Krona up several tiers durability-wise, the reality is that his on-panel durability goes down. So no, get this "Galactus level" shit out of here. It's trans, maybe low Skyfather. Power =/= durability.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
There's more to that scene, which makes it even more uber:




Nothing they did caused any damage to Krona.
I know.Originally posted by Cogito
It's absolutely lowballing, but I'm playing devil's advocate here. I've yet to see anything that points to Hal's blast being Galactus-killing level, except ridiculous hype and supposition.

Would Galactus even register Atrocitus or ringless Sinestro? Phuck no.

Taking hits from the Lanterns you showed is a trans level durability feat. Nothing more. And while you and others say that having the entities must bump Krona up several tiers durability-wise, the reality is that his on-panel durability goes down. So no, get this "Galactus level" shit out of here. It's trans, maybe low Skyfather. Power =/= durability.
Even Spectre was harmed by Atrocitus.

You're not doing anything here but straight up lowballing. The entities didn't increase his durability because Sinestro punched him without effect?

This is such an ass backward logic. Throughout the green lantern run by Johns its shown how even Ion or Parallax or Butcher can give you power enough to tussle with Spectre.

Ganthet with just Parallax was shrugging off Hal, Kyle, John, Guy and Killowog simultaneously.

http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417428_p6_42Bcopy.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417429_p6_52Bcopy.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417430_p6_62Bcopy.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417431_p6_7.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417432_p6_8.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417433_p6_92Bcopy.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417434_p6_102Bcopy.jpg http://s3d3.turboimg.net/t1/24417435_p6_112Bcopy.jpg

Krona had all the entities at once. To think he was anywhere in trans level? ****ing stupid.

Galan007
Larfleeze alone is easily trans-level. Just saying.

cdtm
Originally posted by Galan007
Larfleeze alone is easily trans-level. Just saying.

And Hal wasn't breaking his defenses with a beam. He needed a plot device blue ring for that.

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