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spawned from a different thread. can the duo take down lord rand? classic adamantium logan.

Logan solos.

Fun fact:

When Shang and Danny were testing Cornell's powerless version of Logan (pre-death)... Danny missed, Shang did not.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/58/0e/51/580e5144d739175271d8bd775d3add31.jpg

Just saying

lol

Looks like they both hit him.

Lol, no.

Team. IF is not as durable or fast as Gorgon.

Originally posted by Mindset
Looks like they both hit him.

Definitely

Motion lines. Blurred hair. Opened eyes. He dodged just in time.

Danny's strike managed to trim some hair, nothing more.

He hit him.

Iron fist fives them the Iron dick

Originally posted by Mindset
He hit him.

You're as blind as Daredevil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're as blind as Daredevil.

He could here the sound effects coming from the page

Confirmed hit

Originally posted by Decter
He could here the sound effects coming from the page

Confirmed hit

Mindset is also as deaf as Echo.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mindset is also as deaf as Echo.

He can sense the tensions of wolverines body allowing him to comfirm he was hti

He could, but he's too drunk to sense anything, really.

Maybe will get sober after 20-30 years of drinking alcoholically, though. Then we'll get the proper confirmation.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He could, but he's too drunk to sense anything, really.

Maybe will get sober after 20-30 years of drinking alcoholically, though. Then we'll get the proper confirmation.

........Touche

Originally posted by Juk3n
Team. IF is not as durable or fast as Gorgon.

Yeah, Danny's pretty fragile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-016_zpsa954ea37.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-017_zps342d897d.jpg


Getting blasted from K'un L'un to Earth, and walking it off without a scratch isn't impressive at all.

Logan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fun fact:

When Shang and Danny were testing Cornell's powerless version of Logan (pre-death)... Danny missed, Shang did not.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/58/0e/51/580e5144d739175271d8bd775d3add31.jpg

Just saying fun fact. Logan and half of a team of x-men got wrecked by a much weaker version of danny.

Originally posted by deathslash
fun fact. Logan and half of a team of x-men got wrecked by a much weaker version of danny.

B-but it's a much weaker Logan!

*Ignores the fact is was a much weaker Rand.*

Originally posted by deathslash
fun fact. Logan and half of a team of x-men got wrecked by a much weaker version of danny.

If they got wrecked, then how come IF has... lost?

Those showings against teams are nothing new. Wolverine has them. Spider-Man has them. Batman. Karnak, even. It's the ninja rule all over again. More opponents you face, the better you're going to perform...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If they got wrecked, then how come IF has... lost?

Those showings against teams are nothing new. Wolverine has them. Spider-Man has them. Batman. Karnak, even. It's the ninja rule all over again. More opponents you face, the better you're going to perform... so you're saying that the more people that rand faces, the better he'll do? Well I guess it's a good thing that he's fighting more than one person here.

Originally posted by deathslash
so you're saying that the more people that rand faces, the better he'll do? Well I guess it's a good thing that he's fighting more than one person here.

In a comic... yes, that's totally how it works As ridiculous as it is.

On forum, no.

If danny gets actually uses his chi attacks i dont see how logan stays in the fight.

He can take hits like that.

Even Elektra doesn't suck in that department - it took multiple hits from Skrullossus to knock her out.

They all DIE as is deserving of street scum of their ilk!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He can take hits like that.

Even Elektra doesn't suck in that department - it took multiple hits from Skrullossus to knock her out.

Big difference between taking a hit that sends you flying, taking a hit when you have nowhere to go (Like your back to the street or a wall), and taking a flurry (As Panther did), though.

Think the difference between Hulk slapping Logan away, and what he did to him in World War Hulk.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
They all DIE as is deserving of street scum of their ilk! Danny would put another hole in Superman for you to phuck.

Originally posted by cdtm
Big difference between taking a hit that sends you flying, taking a hit when you have nowhere to go (Like your back to the street or a wall), and taking a flurry (As Panther did), though.

Think the difference between Hulk slapping Logan away, and what he did to him in World War Hulk.

Same with stabbing. Rand is not the Hulk, he ain't gonna survive a dozen stabs...

... or a single cutting-in-half swipe

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Same with stabbing. Rand is not the Hulk, he ain't gonna survive a dozen stabs...

... or a single cutting-in-half swipe

Ha ha, true enough. If Namor can't shake it off, Rand sure isn't.

Wonder what would happen if an Iron Fist intercepted a claw? Nothing? Claw through Fist?

You know, I was thinking about it, actually. No idea.

Claws vs. Cyke's optic blast in Schism was a cool scene. Probably gives Pr nightmares, though... similar to the nightmares the Hulk wading through the blast (twice) gives him, but not as bad

i'd think if he punched the tip of logan's claw it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing for him..... not sure if logan could cut off his hand in fist form. shrug

What is Logan's record against Shang-Chi and Iron Fist? And no fights that last one panel or anything. A clear cut winner.

Originally posted by Zack M
What is Logan's record against Shang-Chi and Iron Fist? And no fights that last one panel or anything. A clear cut winner.

Wolverine beat IF in a sparring match in New Avengers. One on one.
No claws, no IF. Just hth.

There was also that IF vs. X-men fight; Danny tossed X-Men around, eventually got beaten by them, though.


Shang got beaten by BC Wolverine who wasn't even using his claws till the very end. Oh, and Shang started with a cheapshot.

Another "fight" they had was in Wolverine: First Class. Logan was looking for some tips on how to control himself against Sabretooth, whose mindgames were pissing him off. Nothing more than sparrings against Shang, in which Wolverine had a purely defensive role. Granted, Chi looked much better here than against BC Logan.

The sparring match also happened before the fight, chronologically speaking. But since the fight was written first, of course Shang had no idea who Logan was.

Originally posted by Zack M
What is Logan's record against Shang-Chi and Iron Fist? And no fights that last one panel or anything. A clear cut winner.

Fwiw, both Shang and Danny have pretty decent showings against Gorgon.

Plus, Danny managed to beat Mr. X's mind reading trick a lot quicker then Logan did. Although, Mr. X is kind of a jobber against anyone else BUT Logan.

elektra herself has done at least reasonably well against logan, not to mention daredevil who himself once stalemated rand...

Originally posted by cdtm
The sparring match also happened before the fight, chronologically speaking. But since the fight was written first, of course Shang had no idea who Logan was.

It can be easily explained that he couldn't recognize Logan, since his appearance drastically changed because of the further mutation after adamantium was removed.

But honestly, Van Lente could've avoided all the confusion just by using some different martial arts master in First Class. Like Master Izo Would've been pretty cool, actually.

Well, who would win in an ALL OUT fight? Shang or Logan?

Originally posted by cdtm
Fwiw, both Shang and Danny have pretty decent showings against Gorgon.

Shang had upgrades, got destroyed in the end. Once the greatest martial artist in the MU.

Iron fist looked better than Chi, but DA Gorgon didn't even have his standard equipment - obviously he's better with swords than claws. He's not Wolverine.

Originally posted by cdtm
Plus, Danny managed to beat Mr. X's mind reading trick a lot quicker then Logan did. Although, Mr. X is kind of a jobber against anyone else BUT Logan.

Correction: Remender made him - and the rest of T-Bolts - job in every possible way in that issue. That was a single issue he wrote, so Marvel probably forced him to.

Under Parker (iirc), X was back to kicking ass, humiliating Black Widow and fighting evenly with f*cking Nuke in close combat...

Originally posted by Zack M
Well, who would win in an ALL OUT fight? Shang or Logan?

It's a no-brainer. Wolverine.

Originally posted by Zack M
Well, who would win in an ALL OUT fight? Shang or Logan?

It would.probably look something like Matt vs Punisher.

Or maybe Shang vs Gorgon.

Logan's damage soak is a major problem. Even Cap using his shield as a weapon has problems slowing him down.

I put IF vs Logan as a split if not slight edge to if. He would make short work of Elektra tho.

Originally posted by Mindset
Danny would kneel before the power of Superman

Never forget this fact!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Never forget this fact! Kneel moments before uppercutting his head off.

Originally posted by Mindset
Kneel moments before uppercutting his head off.

The Fat Cobra beating will look like a blessing if he ever looked at ANY member of The House of El wrong.

Spit curl>>>>>> Iron Fist

Fat Cobra is a Superboy Prime buster, you noob.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fat Cobra is a Superboy Prime buster, you noob.

Jimmy Olsen ONE-SHOT kills Fat Cobra!

On a serious note, Danny destroys Elektra and will beat Logan eventually. His hands will be mangled up though.

Not sure if serious.

He can't even beat Black Panther going all out but suddenly he is going to "destroy" Elektra and beat Logan?

elektra is a fickin beast at times...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not sure if serious.

He can't even beat Black Panther going all out but suddenly he is going to "destroy" Elektra and beat Logan?



Dude, he gave him brain damage. The inoperable, ticking timebomb fatal type. Right through his vibranium suit.

Even if we claimed Electra was exactly as fast as Danny, how can she defeat the Iron Fist? Including the trails of chi that basically act like mystical fire..?

People have been roasted by that dragon chi, and current Iron Fist can cover the area with it.

Bp clearly didnt win anything based on martial arts skill...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not sure if serious.

He can't even beat Black Panther going all out but suddenly he is going to "destroy" Elektra and beat Logan?

That was a weaker Danny and he beat the shit out of BP.

Iron Fist looked better in that fight than Panther (somebody who I would rank alongside Wolverine or Elektra) and the upgrade he's received since that fight is significant and blatant. Abhi knew that though, so....

so are people thinking fist beats them both....?

Wolverine did better against Ares than Fist in Avengers/Invaders

Originally posted by leonidas
so are people thinking fist beats them both....?

Elektra's overpowered, for certain.

Not outskilled, but definately outpowered. Chi amping + splash damage.

i'd def say her tp could phukc with danny. the respect thread by srank and jinzin in really very good. in one of the scans she was even shown having beaten crossbones....

Corssbones? Where? What page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104794/4122892-screen+shot+2014-09-26+at+3.33.21+pm.jpg

off-panel clearly, but she obviously beat him somehow. love to see that match up...

"I have defeated them all."

Damn.

And who are those guys in the bottom right corner? Whirlwind and Puma?

def whirlwind, not sure of the other. could be puma i guess....

I hate it when artists get lazy like that.

"Screw that, nobody's gonna care anyway."

Originally posted by cdtm
Dude, he gave him brain damage. The inoperable, ticking timebomb fatal type. Right through his vibranium suit.

Even if we claimed Electra was exactly as fast as Danny, how can she defeat the Iron Fist? Including the trails of chi that basically act like mystical fire..?

People have been roasted by that dragon chi, and current Iron Fist can cover the area with it.
And still couldn't beat Panther while totally bloodlusted and using his full chi.

Quite simple, stabbing him two pointed sais.

Originally posted by Mindset
That was a weaker Danny and he beat the shit out of BP.
I'm pretty sure it didn't happen that way. Originally posted by Smurph
Iron Fist looked better in that fight than Panther (somebody who I would rank alongside Wolverine or Elektra) and the upgrade he's received since that fight is significant and blatant. Abhi knew that though, so....
Is that so? Which MAs Rand beat since then?

Except getting embarrassed by Logan in h2h.

It was pre upgrade Danny, so yes, weaker.

And Danny won't simply punch through those sai's, and Elektra, because...?

Those sais have penetrated through New Whiplash's armor and She-Rulk's back, lol.

Who knows, they might be secondary ada

So what exactly is hurting Danny here other than TP?

IIRC he tanked a train full of nukes

Lol. Don't be ridiculous.

He turned himself into a living bullet then, he's not always in that mode.

Normally, I'd agree.

But the "Living Weapon" series looks to have changed Rand. He wasn't really the same Iron Fist from the Immortal Weapon series.

He never shot out balls of energy like Vegeta from.DBZ, for one. Plus he was animating entire buildings into "giant robot" like weapons, amping himself off the chi of random people, and taking a fall worse then the one Logan survived in Xmen vs Avengers without a scratch.. (He was basically blasted from K'un L'un to Earth on a Kamehameha like wave, flying like a missile..)

It was pretty nuts. Going to be interesting seeing if any of that sticks when he re-integrates into the mainstream.

Originally posted by cdtm
It was pre upgrade Danny, so yes, weaker.

And Danny won't simply punch through those sai's, and Elektra, because...?
And which MAs he beat after this "upgrade"?

Wtf kinda dumb question is that? Post living weapon Danny one shot killed a sun god who at the very least could survive in a sun.

But sure, the sun god never used his l33t ninja skills on panel... So it's totally rational to say he isn't at his own power level.

Scans?

It's Iron Fist/ The living Weapon #11

"I am Zhu-Rong" "God of fire and Guardian of the Universal Order"

He goes on to create a blast that on panel can be seen from space. Danny without his full chi fights this guy as a skyscraper sized ninja robot but fails. Then he gains his fathers Chi and that unlocks Danny's dormant chi and he jumps out and hits the God so hard it devastates multiple blocks of the city and vaporizes Danny's clothing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And which MAs he beat after this "upgrade"?

Which MA has Superman beaten? Or the Silver Surfer?

I mean, Nitro knows **** all about martial arts, but I'm preeety sure not too many streets are beating him in a fight sans PIS, given he's a walking tac nuke.

Sounds like a poor man's Val Armorr.

Val created a giant mech?

Originally posted by Zack M
Sounds like a poor man's Val Armorr.

Nah, Val's in league of his own. No dragons chi or attempts at rationalizing his cheese.

It's all space karate, baby! Guy with no powers can fight chop diamonds in half and fight Superman. Space... Karate.

And Robin is consistently on Val's level or surpassing him

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Wtf kinda dumb question is that? Post living weapon Danny one shot killed a sun god who at the very least could survive in a sun.

But sure, the sun god never used his l33t ninja skills on panel... So it's totally rational to say he isn't at his own power level.
Yes. If you can't put any wins Rand has over an elite MA, you should stop whining.

Every MA worth his salt has feats like that. Cap knocked out ****ing Hulk with nothing more than punches. No sissy chi amping needed.

Do we take him on that level? Originally posted by cdtm
Which MA has Superman beaten? Or the Silver Surfer?

I mean, Nitro knows **** all about martial arts, but I'm preeety sure not too many streets are beating him in a fight sans PIS, given he's a walking tac nuke.
Superman or Silver Surfer aren't Street level MA.

Rand is. And in character Rand isn't going to kill characters. GTFO with this CBR shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Rand is. And in character Rand isn't going to kill characters. GTFO with this CBR shit.

Originally posted by cdtm

Read the rules, if you haven't already.

If Rand doesn't kill, then neither does Elektra. Guess those sai's are worthless.

Are we arguing over whether Rand is bloodthirstier than Elektra?

One is a CEO and Avenger, the other, a ninja assassin.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are we arguing over whether Rand is bloodthirstier than Elektra?

One is a CEO and Avenger, the other, a ninja assassin.....

We're arguing whether Abhi's even read Iron Fist.

"Out of character" my ass. I guess Danny's never punched the head clean off a human possessed by the Iron Fist Killer demon, or killed droves of Hydra (Including a blatant neck snap.)

Hell, Danny hits a kid with powers hard enough to KO him in the 80's, knowing full well he might kill him, and he's supposed to go easy on Elektra?

If Danny killing is CBR shite, then so is Elektra stabbing anyone with the sai's.

Originally posted by cdtm
If Rand doesn't kill, then neither does Elektra. Guess those sai's are worthless.
facepalm

Originally posted by cdtm
We're arguing whether Abhi's even read Iron Fist.

"Out of character" my ass. I guess Danny's never punched the head clean off a human possessed by the Iron Fist Killer demon, or killed droves of Hydra (Including a blatant neck snap.)

Hell, Danny hits a kid with powers hard enough to KO him in the 80's, knowing full well he might kill him, and he's supposed to go easy on Elektra?

If Danny killing is CBR shite, then so is Elektra stabbing anyone with the sai's. Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Yeah. He is.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah. He is.
He is flat out a murderer?

Is Elektra?

But in self defense, he'd absolutely kill, and has.

You're the one who claimed Elektra would stick him with a sai. You don't normally just KO someone with a stab.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is Elektra?

But in self defense, he'd absolutely kill, and has.

You're the one who claimed Elektra would stick him with a sai. You don't normally just KO someone with a stab.
Yeah, Elektra is a murderer. Is Rand?

She can paralyze him just like she did with Logan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Elektra is a murderer. Is Rand?

She can paralyze him just like she did with Logan. yes, he is. He has a very good track record of keeping his opponent alive but if his opponent is skilled or powerful enough to force his hand, he has no problem with killing them.

She could, but rand could also kill her from a distance with his chi.

Originally posted by deathslash
yes, he is. He has a very good track record of keeping his opponent alive but if his opponent is skilled or powerful enough to force his hand, he has no problem with killing them.

She could, but rand could also kill her from a distance with his chi.
No, he is not. I suggest reading some Iron Fist comics.

Yeah, like he goes around killing characters the first chance he gets.

Its like he's Sabretooth or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he is not. I suggest reading some Iron Fist comics.

Yeah, like he goes around killing characters the first chance he gets.

Its like he's Sabretooth or something. you clearly only read my first sentence then. I'll repeat it for you.

First, let's address whether or not rand is a murderer. The definition of a murderer is someone that has committed murder. Now, has rand killed people before? The answer is an undeniable yes. Does rand kill someone the first chance that he gets? No. Is rand willing to kill someone if they push him too far or force him to? Again, the answer is yes.

Now I ask you this, do you think that rand is going to hold back when one of the most skilled martial artists in the MU is consistently going for his jugular, heart, spine, or major arteries? Moreover, do you think that he's going to hold back while dealing with the aforementioned martial artist and her partner (a nearly unstoppable weapon if death with six steak knives coming out of his hands)?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he is not. I suggest reading some Iron Fist comics.

Yeah, like he goes around killing characters the first chance he gets.

Its like he's Sabretooth or something.

So how many heroes has Elektra killed?

Seeing we're calling her a murderer, who won't hesitate to kill a hero, I'm sure it's an extensive list.

No double standard here.

Fine, Wolverine kills him

I can almost imagine it.

Cdtm: Master, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Those claws should've bounced off your chest! What happened?! Was your K'un Lun weak today? Master? Don't die, Master!

Originally posted by deathslash
you clearly only read my first sentence then. I'll repeat it for you.

First, let's address whether or not rand is a murderer. The definition of a murderer is someone that has committed murder. Now, has rand killed people before? The answer is an undeniable yes. Does rand kill someone the first chance that he gets? No. Is rand willing to kill someone if they push him too far or force him to? Again, the answer is yes.


And is this the way he acts in character? He abhors killing. That's the first thing you should know if you actually like the character instead of acting like Carver and just liking "feats". Everyone has killed someone. Even Superman killed Doomsday when pushed too far.

Now am I going to claim he rips everyone apart because of that?



Yes. He didn't go all out in that sense against ****ing Gorgon.

Why would he do that here?

Yes. It's integrated in his character at this point. Reading comics help.

Or do you think he just spams IF on every character he fights?

Originally posted by cdtm
So how many heroes has Elektra killed?

Seeing we're calling her a murderer, who won't hesitate to kill a hero, I'm sure it's an extensive list.

No double standard here.


She is a ****ing assassin. Are you really a fan of Iron Fist or just reading for "feats"?

Because you really seems to do not know what kind of character he is. It's just "bullet timing" and "bullet train" for you.

And Elektra goes for the kill against heroes, all the time.

(Like Logan trying to impale Cap, in AvsX. Sure is lucky Cap dodged and Logan stuck the wall instead. )

Lol at Iron fist just letting people kill him. Most people hate killing until someone tries to kill them.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Lol at Iron fist just letting people kill him. Most people hate killing until someone tries to kill them.

Give the man credit. He's doing a fabulous job refuting points no one brought up.

Cap is a hypocrite. Claims he is against killing, then attacks Logan with a Muramasa blade and forms a wetwork squad like Secret Avengers...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap is a hypocrite. Claims he is against killing, then attacks Logan with a Muramasa blade and forms a wetwork squad like Secret Avengers... No one likes Wolverine.

Everyone does. I'm sure you're secretly a fanboy, too vin

Reported

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He could, but he's too drunk to sense anything, really.

Maybe will get sober after 20-30 years of drinking alcoholically, though. Then we'll get the proper confirmation.
Originally posted by Decter
........Touche You made a mistake. This world is spelled with a "D".

We all know you want the D, Sam.

Sam's world is filled with the need to add the D, it would seem.

In Russia, dick rides YOU!

IF has walked away from explosions without any harm and has used his chi attack thingy to destroy(or seriously mess up) a shield hellcarrier. I'm not exactly sure how Wolverine even gets close to him?

Also in that scan to me it looks like the guy got tagged by the 2nd guy because he was busy dodging the punch thrown by IF.

Originally posted by Surtur
IF has walked away from explosions without any harm and has used his chi attack thingy to destroy(or seriously mess up) a shield hellcarrier. I'm not exactly sure how Wolverine even gets close to him?

The same way everyone else does. Just approach him and kick his ass... seriously, Danny's good, but let's not make it sound like he's some untouchable ki god of DBZ calibre. He's not.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also in that scan to me it looks like the guy got tagged by the 2nd guy because he was busy dodging the punch thrown by IF.

Yes, you make sense. That's quite possible. Plus - Shang likes to cheapshot Logan, knowing he can't land any other significant hits otherwise.

He doesn't have to be DBZ level to keep them from getting close enough to physically confront him.

He did this to a hellicarrier:

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3871089

And wouldn't these feats be helpful to keep two people at bay:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/3147577-ifvshydra2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118828/3147701-tech1.jpg

Hulk has shattered the asteroid twice the size of the Earth and still couldn't KO Wolverine.

Ranged chi attacks are hardly something IF does all the time. Same with Wolverine and his ninja vanish ability or Elektra's telepathy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk has shattered the asteroid twice the size of the Earth and still couldn't KO Wolverine.

Ranged chi attacks are hardly something IF does all the time. Same with Wolverine and his ninja vanish ability or Elektra's telepathy.

Spiderman easily KO'ed him tho

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk has shattered the asteroid twice the size of the Earth and still couldn't KO Wolverine.

Ranged chi attacks are hardly something IF does all the time. Same with Wolverine and his ninja vanish ability or Elektra's telepathy.

Or Gorgon's stare.

And yet, Fantomex auto wins via misdirection, in ways he's never done in comic.

Like I said before, Rand's kind of OP for a street. Yet, he's not on a true cl100 level either.. He's kind of in a no man's land, where he can't use his powers at all to fight Shang Chi/Daredevil/Elektra.

Yet, there's precious little examples of him fighting the Gorgon's and top end Spidey villains, who he SHOULD be mixing it up with, for the same reason Spidey has his own OP rogues. (And makes Spidey struggling with streets look pretty ridiculous..)

If they want Danny sticking to his street level roots, what they really need to do is depower him.. Bring back the "One Iron Fist" a day rule, or some restriction forcing him to rely on MA skills most of the time.

They should just make Danny the God of kung fu and give him universal level feats.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or Gorgon's stare.

And yet, Fantomex auto wins via misdirection, in ways he's never done in comic.

Like I said before, Rand's kind of OP for a street. Yet, he's not on a true cl100 level either.. He's kind of in a no man's land, where he can't use his powers at all to fight Shang Chi/Daredevil/Elektra.

Yet, there's precious little examples of him fighting the Gorgon's and top end Spidey villains, who he SHOULD be mixing it up with, for the same reason Spidey has his own OP rogues. (And makes Spidey struggling with streets look pretty ridiculous..)

If they want Danny sticking to his street level roots, what they really need to do is depower him.. Bring back the "One Iron Fist" a day rule, or some restriction forcing him to rely on MA skills most of the time.

Fantomex ALWAYS uses his misdirection in comics, though. Or at least, a high percentage of his showings involve misdirection. Not to mention, he's a killer.

Gorgon is a villain, who doesn't hesitate to kill.

So not quite applicable.

Posters don't give Gorgon an auto win on the stare, was my point. Even if not explicately stated.

Probably because he's so overpowered, he doesn't need it.

Originally posted by Mindset
They should just make Danny the God of kung fu and give him universal level feats. at the end of living Weapon he re-kills all incarnations of the Dragon. Which means he beat the one that kicked the Full Phoenix entity off earth and sent it crying into space...
More confirmation Danny >>> Abstract Beings.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We all know you want the D, Sam.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Originally posted by SamZED
Stop projecting your filthy fantasies on me, everyone knows you two only read Daredevil for his initials.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk has shattered the asteroid twice the size of the Earth and still couldn't KO Wolverine.

Ranged chi attacks are hardly something IF does all the time. Same with Wolverine and his ninja vanish ability or Elektra's telepathy.

So out of curiosity Wolverine has never been rendered unconscious by any force that wasn't beyond Earth shattering?

Also IF doesn't have to do the ranged attacks all the time. If they are something that would legitimately help him survive why wouldn't he? He doesn't have to outright murder them to keep them from face stabbing him.

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity Wolverine has never been rendered unconscious by any force that wasn't beyond Earth shattering?

Also IF doesn't have to do the ranged attacks all the time. If they are something that would legitimately help him survive why wouldn't he? He doesn't have to outright murder them to keep them from face stabbing him.

Of course he has. That's the point; Rand has been in danger from less threats than combined prowess of both classic Wolverine and Elektra.

Wolverine doing a ninja vanish and stabbing Rand would help team a lot, too. Potentially would end the fight. It's just not likely to happen, because those characters just don't fight that way most of the time... but hey, there's a full capacity rule, so I guess we can have them doing that. Problem is, duo has the advantage when it comes to such obscure, cheap tactics - vanish&tp combo > ranged attacks.

But it's not the same. Wolverine isn't consistently that hard to knock out. While the fact IF doesn't perform ranged attacks all the time doesn't make him incapable of them.

If Wolverine has done this vanish thing more then once or twice then I don't see why he couldn't use it. But then it wouldn't be guaranteed to work, IF is a bullet timer with ranged attacks. Just like if Elektra has shown some kind of offensive telepathy on more then a single occasion she should be able to use it. Characters shouldn't be penalized here because writers ignore established abilities.

Originally posted by Surtur
But it's not the same. Wolverine isn't consistently that hard to knock out. While the fact IF doesn't perform ranged attacks all the time doesn't make him incapable of them.

If Wolverine has done this vanish thing more then once or twice then I don't see why he couldn't use it. But then it wouldn't be guaranteed to work, IF is a bullet timer with ranged attacks. Just like if Elektra has shown some kind of offensive telepathy on more then a single occasion she should be able to use it. Characters shouldn't be penalized here because writers ignore established abilities.

He is, actually. Taking hard hits and coming back for more is his thing. Vs. Thor, vs. Ragnarok, vs. Maestro, vs. the Hulk, vs. Cyclops, vs. Bastion... the list goes on.

That's what ranged attacks for IF are, he hasn't done them enough times either.

He's done them on multiple occasions so why would we ignore it? You act as if it happened on a single occasion.

Going the route of trying to say he can't KO Wolverine makes a lot more sense then pretending he doesn't have these powers.

They're irrelevant.

What is their exact range? Power? Can he spam them?

What's his accuracy with those? As it is now, both Logan and Elektra will dodge them with no trouble, seeing how they dodged similar beams from characters with actual blasting&aiming feats.

What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare?

He also has the chi charged projectiles. Taking a few pepples or pieces of metal.was a pretty consistant plot point in the Immortal Weapon series.

Which the Canadian social justice warrior writer shirked in favor of throwing ki balls, like Ryu from.Street Fighter.

So he can charge ordinary items with chi and fire blasts of pure chi.

Logan may dodge some but saying he'll dodge everything IF throws like he has the spider sense is taking all his highs and ignoring the MANY times he's been hit and hurt badly by much slower and much less skilled than Danny. Remember averages.

Originally posted by Surtur
What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare?

Better than Danny would fare against a sai stab in the brain, that's for sure

and there ARE 2 of them..... it would only take a moment for elektra to distract via tp and they would be on him.

Originally posted by leonidas
and there ARE 2 of them..... it would only take a moment for elektra to distract via tp and they would be on him.

Takes less then a moment for Rand to nuke the area. Since we're using unlikely scenarios and all.

Originally posted by Surtur
What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare? She would be in pieces.

Originally posted by cdtm
Takes less then a moment for Rand to nuke the area. Since we're using unlikely scenarios and all.

tp isn't unlikely though, and nuking the area from 500m? 0.0% chance he'd do that.

Originally posted by leonidas
tp isn't unlikely though, and nuking the area from 500m? 0.0% chance he'd do that.

He can cover a city block. Since the 1980's.

Not 500 meters, but a long enough range to get them first..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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P.s- Big boobs don't count if your fat. So please don't get to excited obese men.
Double D (DD)

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You two virgins are not fooling anybody.

Has Elektra Tp'd anyone of note? Danny has some degree of protection with his chi, and his latest amp puts him at possibly faster than Spidey. (Reaction-wise)

Originally posted by SamZED
More like:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons

You two virgins are not fooling anybody.

So... an average russian man secretly desires to be double-penetrated in a dungeon by a shemale dragon with 2 dicks?

Too much info, Sam. Way too much info.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So... an average russian man secretly desires to be double-penetrated in a dungeon by a shemale dragon with 2 dicks?

Too much info, Sam. Way too much info.

i need a passport like rn

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Has Elektra Tp'd anyone of note? Danny has some degree of protection with his chi, and his latest amp puts him at possibly faster than Spidey. (Reaction-wise)

Not too sure how much protection his chi would really give him.

It's reversed brain washing a few times. But his chi didn't prevent his brainwashing.. It only undid it, after the fact, when he tapped into enough of it.

And undoing brainwashing isn't the same as blocking a mind rape.

Tp us highly unlikely since Elektra wouldn't have the time and concentration to pull it off. Danny is pretty fast. He's not going to sit there and give her the chance.
This is a close fight. I say Danny if he is serious and team if he's not.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So... an average russian man secretly desires to be double-penetrated in a dungeon by a shemale dragon with 2 dicks?

Too much info, Sam. Way too much info.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i need a passport like rn

Do you not have a passport?

It does kinda surprise me from time to time when Americans tell me they do not possess passports.

Bush didn't have a passport until he became a president.