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In a race across earth on foot. No mjolnir/board for Thor/Surfer.

Who wins?

They can't finish the race. They die of exhaustion.

SS has more chances if he amps to "atomic" speed

Across Earth? They'd be running for months.

Anyway, I'd be on Thor, if the hair doesn't get in the way and trips face down into the ground.

Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir What is it with you and kinky shit today?

Would you also like Surfer to sit on Thor's face?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second.
What the ****?

LOL, so this is the battle thread Abby finally starts? You and your friends enjoy the view dangling from Superman's ball sack.

Shut up BAV.

Everything is fine and you start bashing

On topic.

None of them can run on water. So this race will take FOREVER!

I just noticed my typo.

Apparently me an carver want to double team thor.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, so this is the battle thread Abby finally starts? You and your friends enjoy the view dangling from Superman's ball sack.
barker

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second.

Thor swallow Mjolnir? I think this is now my Thread of the Year.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second.
Haha, this is the post of the year.

Colossus Big C would be proud of you Carver.

Thor swallows a hammer and SS "absorbs" the board up his butt.

Sin is finally getting a hold on Carver

You came up with a that thought baldy, what does that say about you? When you, Abby, Mcabe, Surter, Saint (yeah, Saint), h1, LOB, Rao and Zack form your human centipede, who gets to be in the front?

This is what happens when carver tries to fill the DS void in his life.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You came up with a that thought baldy, what does that say about you? When you, Abby, Mcabe, Surter, Saint (yeah, Saint), h1, LOB, Rao and Zack form your human centipede, who gets to be in the front?

I don't know. But you will be the one in the end, eating all the sh1t

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You came up with a that thought baldy, what does that say about you? When you, Abby, Mcabe, Surter, Saint (yeah, Saint), h1, LOB, Rao and Zack form your human centipede, who gets to be in the front?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I don't know. But you will be the one in the end, eating all the sh1t

But I'm not a Superhoe. You are easily the dumbest member of the cult and even they don't respect you. You probably follow the centipede with a broom and a shit pale.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But I'm not a Superhoe. You are easily the dumbest member of the cult and even they don't respect you. You probably follow the centipede with a broom and a shit pale.

??? You really don't make any sense. I think the constant raping you get in here has affected you very badly.

Bump

I think a better race would be around a city block. That way they'd be able to finish in a lifetime.

http://i64.tinypic.com/15860ev.jpg

BAV in this thread reminds me of a angry little dog always trying to shit

Surfer wins tho

Don't bash people.

I think Thor wins. I haven't seen any evidence that Surfer can run fast at all.

I can't think of a single instance of Surfer physically running at all, not while he had his full powers anyway.

Originally posted by Fiendish
I can't think of a single instance of Surfer physically running at all, not while he had his full powers anyway.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Ownage/SS18_11b.jpg

I'm starting to think I can outrun Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In a race across earth on foot. No mjolnir/board for Thor/Surfer.

Who wins?

Lol!!!

I gotta give you credit on the creative troll; top notch bait, and funny as hell. :-)

Good job!

That Post by Carver needs more love.

Bump. Since some people still think Surfer or Thor are speedsters.

Based on a single scan of the year 1732 I think Thor can win this one.

Surfer can't

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bump

I know this website comes with good recommendations. It will help you find whatever help that you need.

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/

Since this obviously a fixation that has been lasting for years. It is going to be hard to break out of it but with the right determination anything is possible.

Thor, at the very least, has one superspeed running feat under his belt.

Slim pickings all around though....

Assuming Thor's leg strength is relative to his overall strength he should be able to clear this by virtue of being a bit stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor, at the very least, has one superspeed running feat under his belt.

Slim pickings all around though....

Assuming Thor's leg strength is relative to his overall strength he should be able to clear this by virtue of being a bit stronger than Surfer.

Have a scan or issue reference? I'm curious to see.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bump. Since some people still think Surfer or Thor are speedsters.



Surfer does have the faster reaction time, but as others have said his feats of just running are slim. I imagine his feats of running at super speed are probably slim to none. Since why run when you have a cosmic surfboard?

I suppose if you just went purely on the running feats of both character then Thor would win in a foot race. He can at least move faster than the eye can see.

There is NO evidence that Surfer can move his limbs fast like Flash or Superman.

The best way to describe his reaction times will be like a human pilot flying a F16 and nothing else. A human does not has supersonic reaction times but he is however capable of piloting a supersonic jet.

Anyhow Thor wins based on that old scan of him digging a trench faster than the eye can see. Iirc surfer limbs were described to be as fast as the wind when he fought the Hulk.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
There is NO evidence that Surfer can move his limbs fast like Flash or Superman.

The best way to describe his reaction times will be like a human pilot flying a F16 and nothing else. A human does not has supersonic reaction times but he is however capable of piloting a supersonic jet.

Anyhow Thor wins based on that old scan of him digging a trench faster than the eye can see. Iirc surfer limbs were described to be as fast as the wind when he fought the Hulk.

Acting in less time than a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg

Yet again acting within the timeframe of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/m8j24Ps.jpg

The Silver Surfer moving to blast a train in the time-frame of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/KkwoUY6.jpg

Acting within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/JSEA4H8.jpg

Searching the entire planet in moments.

http://i.imgur.com/iL7yedv.jpg

Yet again moving within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpg

The Silver Surfer keeping up with the speed of his own board, and being able to blast things as he passes by them.

http://i.imgur.com/vvBGDc4.jpg

The Silver Surfer being able to circle someone at faster than light speeds, and attack them in that time-frame.

http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpg

You can shut up now.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Acting in less time than a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg

Yet again acting within the timeframe of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/m8j24Ps.jpg

The Silver Surfer moving to blast a train in the time-frame of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/KkwoUY6.jpg

Acting within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/JSEA4H8.jpg

Searching the entire planet in moments.

http://i.imgur.com/iL7yedv.jpg

Yet again moving within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpg

The Silver Surfer keeping up with the speed of his own board, and being able to blast things as he passes by them.

http://i.imgur.com/vvBGDc4.jpg

The Silver Surfer being able to circle someone at faster than light speeds, and attack them in that time-frame.

http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpg

You can shut up now.



And abhi is the one who needs mental help?

Anyhow half those scans are out of context and the other half are non feats, 'cuz he is on his board! You know?

Where is the scan of Silver Surfer moving his limbs fast like Superman or Flash?

I'll wait.

I the mean time I stand with what I said.

Silver Surfer DOES not move his limbs fast like Flash or Superman as a matter or fact He has trouble trying to tag Spiderman.

I'm sure Abhi will bedunk every single scan of yours, I will do it, but I have more important things to do than spoon feed you.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El


And abhi is the one who needs mental help?

I am not the one who started digging up threads from years ago. I am not the one who acts as of he is mature despite spending a good amount of time debating fictional characters on an internet forum. I am not the one derailing threads because of personal pet peeves.



Doesn't matter the Silver Surfer was actually able to keep up with himself, and fight whilst moving at these speeds.

That means he can move fast enough to attack whilst moving at stupidly faster than light speeds on his board.

If you're going on about the Fear Eater I already explained they were acting out their fears, and were in the same positions as in their illusions.



It looks as of you're no better than him.



I literally posted several instances where the Silver Surfer moves his limbs in tiny time-frames.



You don't need to I already provided half a dozen instances.



Despite mountains of evidence proving the contrary.



Which is freaking retarded. It's like Superman not being able to detect Batman or Wolverine being able to hurt Thor. It's as if you don't think there is anything wrong with things as insane as the Punisher murdering everyone in what ifs.

He moves them in microseconds, and he moves them when fighting at faster than light speeds on his board. The latter means that his limbs can keep up with how fast he is going.

I'm sure Abhi will bedunk every single scan of yours, I will do it, but I have more important things to do than spoon feed you.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I'm sure Abhi will bedunk every single scan of yours, I will do it, but I have more important things to do than spoon feed you.

Sorry no, what he does include s not reading scans and butchering context. What he is going to give me is a bunch of keyboard vomit.

As he disingenuously tries to act mature. When we're both nerds doing something incredibly stupid because that's our hobby.

I am predicting "hyperbole" despite the fact he would be happy to accept any times-frames for Superman. I am predicting "oh, but that was an illusion" ignoring that they were reacting to said illusions in real time. I am predicting "watch your tongue boy" and "you're welcome kid."

You know what, I have a legitimate question.

Why are people incapable of being objective regarding this? Why don't both sides take a smoke of bruce banner #2, and acknowledge what the other side is capable of?

There always seems to be a bias for or against something. At CBR they hate Superman and Thor. Here there seems to be some Silver Surfer and Thor hate. Don't know what else.

At Spacebattles they have a preference for anime, and generally don't care for comic books.

It's the same everywhere. Does someone always have to have an agenda? This is a hobby we just do in order to kill time.

You don't have to treat it as if it's a war.

I have seen and read the whole context of most scans you posted none suggest SS can move his limbs fast like flash or superman not even spiderman.

What you are doing is a fallacy.

Let me give you this example

An F16 pilot can fly a supersonic jet and react accordingly therefore a pilot should be a able to tag Spiderman since Spiderman is not supersonic.

Now, you can agree or disagree. I honestly don't care if you do one or the other. I understand that you can have a different oppinion.

But an F16 pilot does not has supersonic reflexes and won't be able to tag spiderman IMO.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I have seen and read the whole context of most scans you posted none suggest SS can move his limbs fast like flash or superman not even spiderman.

He literally moved his hand to blast a train in a microsecond, and threw some guy into a building in a microsecond.

That means his limb speed was ridiculous. Do you understand that even moving a foot in a microsecond is eight hundred times the speed of sound?



What fallacy pray tell is it? Do you even know the specific fallacies?



This example is a bad one because the pilots are not reacting to their own speed. They're not flying within cramped spaces, and blasting things the moment they fly past them.

The example where Silver Surfer flew around someone at faster than light speeds? It means that in that cramp area, and in that tiny time-frame he had to adjust his flight and blast that guy.

You know it only takes a nanosecond for light to travel a foot? Now keep in mind how small that area was, and that Silver Surfer was able to act in the timeframe. Well, actually it was even shorter since he was flying faster than light.

Meaning he adjusted his flight, and attacked that guy in a very short timeframe.



These guys don't even exist of course you are entitled to your own opinion but the problem I have here is that you're not thinking this through. You're not using your head. Just take what I said above for example.

You're not noticing that these situations are very different.



Of course they don't but they're not acting within the time-frame of a nanosecond to attack someone in that time in a cramp area. That's where the comparison fails.

They're just supersonic, and they're not flying around someone or right next to something.

You still can't accept how slow Surfer is?

All those years spent lurking here just to start shit now?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You still can't accept how slow Surfer is?

All those years spent lurking here just to start shit now?

He's not a sock. He's legit

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You still can't accept how slow Surfer is?

Why would I?

I don't take instances of garbage writing seriously. That's not what I do, and the only time I do so is when someone else is in order show them that they have a double standard.



Not really, I only sporadically visited KMC every once in a while. I just happen to have frequented it more often recently.

I haven't been paying attention to anything, and didn't even know there was a group on KMC such as yourselves.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I know this website comes with good recommendations. It will help you find whatever help that you need.

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/

Since this obviously a fixation that has been lasting for years. It is going to be hard to break out of it but with the right determination anything is possible.
You need help kid. This much fixation on me is worrisome. Originally posted by Sharivan
Acting in less time than a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg

Yet again acting within the timeframe of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/m8j24Ps.jpg

The Silver Surfer moving to blast a train in the time-frame of a microsecond.

http://i.imgur.com/KkwoUY6.jpg

Acting within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/JSEA4H8.jpg

Searching the entire planet in moments.

http://i.imgur.com/iL7yedv.jpg

Yet again moving within the timeframe of a nanosecond.

http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpg

The Silver Surfer keeping up with the speed of his own board, and being able to blast things as he passes by them.

http://i.imgur.com/vvBGDc4.jpg

The Silver Surfer being able to circle someone at faster than light speeds, and attack them in that time-frame.

http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpg

You can shut up now.
So how fast do you think Lobo or Green Lanterns are?

Surfer's board is a separate sentient entity as of Dan Slott's run and even a human like Dawn Greenwood can see and react to everything while on the board.

And still posting that illusion I see.

And a mental processing feat.

Good to know you've combed a respect thread for scans.


And why is this thread a spite thread? You seem to be pretty convinced that Surfer is a high end Speedster able to react in nanoseconds. Why not run at those speeds?

And even Iron Fist and Black Panther have explicit "microsecond to dodge" feats.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3897780-iron+fist+microsecond+feat.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ap7IP2g.jpg

Black Panther's even has narration stating it. Not the character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You need help kid. This much fixation on me is worrisome.
So how fast do you think Lobo or Green Lanterns are?

You started this to begin with. If you didn't want me to continue it then you would have at least given me some leeway.

I don't get on your behind when Superman is involved unless you specifically hold yourself to a double standard.



So, Dawn Greenwood has used the board to circle around someone at faster than light speeds in a cramped area, and attack them in that same time-frame?

Care to provide that instance? If there's anything such as what I just said then Dawn Greenwood is freaking fast.

In comic books characters are not defined by their powersets. They are defined by what they do.



Already explained in the last thread. If you want to see my response go there.



Which one?

The one with the train has Silver Surfer moving to blast it with his hand. The one with the where he throws that guy into a building has him throwing that guy into that building. The nanoseconds ones are the same.

The only one you could be referring to is when Silver Surfer searches the planet, and that would require him to be able to keep up with himself as he checks every part of it instead of flying blind.



Don't act as if you don't do the same thing. You ripped off a bunch of images from comicvine. In this thread and the other one. You took one of my images that I posted for Iron Fist v3 #1, and reposted it in this very post.

That I brought up in a previous thread.

This is the same thing Pendaran would try to get on people's nerves even if they knew the context behind them.

You have literally become what you hated.

I should know because I was banned from CBR years ago for the same reason you were. Disagreeing with a standardized norm.

One of the things I did was defend Superman, and debate in his favor.

You hear that?

That's irony.



You literally cannot see that it exists solely for the purpose of making jabs at another character?

That's why you made it in the first place. That's why you bumped it. That's why you proved me right about you by restarting an old thread because of a personal hang up.



This is not even high end. The crazy feats are ones like Ares following Nate Grey into the Planck length between moments, and then fighting there. Such as in Dark Avengers?

A nanosecond feat is old hat. We have people like Hourman being able to operate in picoseconds.

We have people like the Flash dodging within the timeframe of femtoseconds, and Superman keeping up with him.



Why does D from Vampire Hunter D need a horse to get around despite being able to slash lasers out of the air?

As much as I hate to admit it sometimes combat speed, and travel speed are widely different.

Silver Surfer needs his board



As I already explained you have become no better than Pendaran.

Originally posted by abhilegend And even Iron Fist and Black Panther have explicit "microsecond to dodge" feats.

I already know this one of the scans you're posting is from my stash. Specifically Iron Fist v3 #1.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t629459.html

I already argued in favor for it.



So does the instance where Danny escapes in Iron Fist v3 #1, and some of the instances I brought up for Silver Surfer.

I see nothing wrong with accepting both of these instances, and in hindsight it makes sense and explains why Black Panther and his ilk can keep up with Iron Fist.

They both move within a microsecond. Well, Danny does more by limbo dodging and doing three backflips so it's faster but at least they have somewhat similiar speeds.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You started this to begin with. If you didn't want me to continue it then you would have at least given me some leeway.

Why would I do that? And yes, I started it? Whatcha gonna do about it?



Well, this thread doesn't involves Superman. You can stop whining about it any time you want.





Yes, she was even talking to herself while they were travelling faster than light into past.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593631/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593633/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-010.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593634/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593636/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-012.jpg.html

Some FTL human she is.



Yes, FTL humans it is.



Ah, yes. That's why we are talking about whether surfer is a speedster when he has never been one.





I already did. Its utter shit.





Mental processing one.

http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg



Haha, you are still not getting it, are you? That's a common catchphrase in comics.

You think Black Panther can move several times the speed of sound? Writers don't take that much science in account.



Or he could've just used his cosmic senses to search that. Thor has done that too and he is slow as shit.





I did a quick google search and I've actually read all those comics.



And?



Now you compare me to Pendaran? Haha, oh kid.



I don't hate online posters or message boards kid. You are too absorbed in your head canon.



I don't give a shit. Should I?



Should I be impressed?



What will it take you to stay on topic?





No. People like you think surfer and Thor are speedsters. So it should be clear that they can run like a speedster too.



Its all about you, eh?

And no, I just bumped it because I found it amusing. Whatcha gonna do about it? Make some more personal comments about me?



Not a speed feat.



You are too hung up on the comicvine and spacebattle mania where only singular high end feats are the average.

Come down from your high horse. This is not comicvine.





Not sometimes. Everytime.



But why? Isn't he some kind of super speedster able to react in nanoseconds and what not?





As if I give a shit about what you think.





That's a compelling argument for Iron Fist not having microsecond level speed.

No, seriously.

What about Black Panther?



You think the writers have these kind of feats in mind when they write Black Panther facing off Iron Fist? Seriously?



So are they as fast as silver surfer and Thor? Don't leave us hanging man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I do that? And yes, I started it? Whatcha gonna do about it?

Continually note the comparison between you and Pendaran until you shrivel in your own shell.



No, I won't.

You're happy to whine about Silver Surfer and Thor whenever you feel like it. I will do the same here in order to showcase your hypocrisy.

As that is on topic.




You count talking as something that can be used in combat? Are you for real? When comic books are explicity known for the fact that talking is a free action?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction

Seriously, this is not strange. Comic books are weird in regards to this.



How does the fact she can talk on Silver Surfer's board mean that she is FTL? When talking is a free action, and we do not know fast they are going?



When he has always been fast, and has numerous instances where he acts in tiny timeframes. The only reason you are invested in this because of your history in regards to Superman match ups, and because you are incapable of being objective.



No, it wasn't. You just plugged your ears, and refused to listen to anything I said.

Assuming I was trying to get the last word in.



How about you actually finish reading it, and note that in the last panel after he processed what was happening?

In less time than that Silver Surfer "could streak into the fray," and that's precisely what he did.



You're still not getting the fact that it is a specific timeframe that actually means something.

It is not hyperbolic.



It doesn't matter what the writers think. They have no place within a versus context. There are even rules against using author statments and claims on KMC. Due to the fact writers can in fact be idiots.

You're breaking them as we speak by showing reverence for these things.

Just take for example the creator of Luther Strode who thinks he has only twice the physical ability of a peak human. Despite dozens of feats proving otherwise.



We're talking about the same Thor who can dodge Mjolnir? The same Thor who is stated to be as fast his own lightning? The same Thor who can act within microseconds?

http://i.imgur.com/1MBHzmX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9iw5R85.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RRMLMqo.jpg

Thor who can block attacks from the Phoenix.

http://i.imgur.com/FS0d5zi.jpg

Mjolnir which can explicity move faster than light even within an atmosphere.

http://i.imgur.com/NQ1sywf.jpg

As I already noted Thor can dodge it.



Sure you have. Now here is evidence that I have literally every one of Iron Fist's appearances.

http://i.imgur.com/N9884rGh.jpg

Who here has more clout?



I already posted the thread.



Do you notice how you ignore things you don't like or refuse to acknowledge what a character is capable of based on some predisposition you have?

That's Pendaran.



Yes, you do and you made it clear you think yourself better than the people at CBR. You made an account there to begin with because they were trashing your husbando.

Don't pretend you don't have an emotional investment in it when you are so sore about it that you still feel the need to somehow establish your superiority. Which you can't because they banned you.



You should since you made the claim I was trying to defend them in the last thread.



You should recognize that unlike you I haven't let something in the past effect my ability to be objective.



What is it going to take for you to realize I am not going to take an attempt at baiting me, and adding to a spite thread seriously?



In this very post you establish that you think combat speed and travel speed are always different. How can you think that, and say that they need to be able to run around as fast as they are able to attack?



I am the center of the universe.

After all just like Tendo Souji I walk the path of heaven.



Probably report you to the mods for blatant disregard of the rules, and make note of the fact yoy dug up a thread with the specific purpose of getting a particular response from me.



Yes, it is.

Ares was able to recognize that Nate Grey was operating withing that timeframe, and chases after him under his own power.

That is a speed feat.



You are too hung up on incredibly inconsistent showings where characters like the Silver Surfer get beat up by the likes of freaking Spiderman.

Seriously, how can anyone genuinely argue in favor of that with a straight face?



I don't even frequent comicvine anymore. I have less activity there than I do here.



You say this, and then still try to say someone needs to be able to run long distances in similiar speeds for it to be acceptable? You have no internal consistency, and don't adhere to your own standards.

You freaking hypocrite.



You said it yourself the distance a person can travel, and how quickly they can fight is different.

Heck, even in real life this speaks true.

A fine example is the Mantis Shrimp. It is freaking slow but it can punch at the speed of sound.

https://youtu.be/ti2Uoc1RXuQ



It doesn't matter if you care or not. The facts are on my side, and they are more important than whatever opinion you have.



What compelling argument? The only half decent ones were mine in that thread. The rest was just one guy whining, and giving no reason for why I was wrong.



No, it isn't.

We're talking about comic books not real life. This speed is not strange within an incredibly unrealistic fictional medium.



Did you even read my post? I said they both seemed acceptable to me, and that it made sense in hindsight.

I already clarified this.



This is why death of the author is important within a versus context. These comic books writers have some of the worst senses for scale. They do not comprehend what these characters are capable of based on what they have done.

They just write whatever is cool.

As fine example is the fact Batman can hide from nearly anyone for no reason at all. Jesus Christ it has even worked Superman, and that is retarded.



They have only acted within microseconds. Whereas Thor and the Silver Surfer have instances where they clearly needed to be moving faster than light. Which means a shorter timeframe than microseconds.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Continually note the comparison between you and Pendaran until you shrivel in your own shell.

Blast away. Nobody cares especially me.





So, you are just here for trolling? Good to know.






TV tropes is used for debates now? Seriously?





She is able to perceive FTL travelling surfer and Dawn from another time and spot a gap in reality which even Surfer didn't.

You are seriously blinded if you think that wasn't some FTL reflexes right there.





He has never been fast reflex wise. Faux internet warriors like you always misinterpret travel speed as combat speed.

http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/29005374_SilverSurfer_Speed_difference.jpg

Even in bios his speed is listed as enhanced human only. I don't use bios as references but that should tell you how the character is perceived.



You are simply trying to type as many words as you can hoping nobody would try to reply. Sad really.





Just like Daredevil. But for that he needed an action. Here surfer doesn't. Gotta wonder why.



Yes, travel speed.





Of course it is. You saying "nuh-uh" doesn't means shit kid.





You just lost all credibility kid. You know all this is from the stuff writers write in the comics, right?



GTFO.



Haha, seriously? You gonna cry rules now?



Then his word is what we go with. He is the one who wrote that.





Yes. We are talking about same Thor. A few high end feats don't make a character's average when he has been explicitly shown slower than Wolverine, daredevil, captain america and Balder to name a few characters.




Who gives a shit?





And?





Nope, never did.



I don't run to mods to invalidate a showing kid.





This is some serious nonsense. GTFO with this shit.





Because that's what combat speed is.





facepalm





Sure, go ahead.





No, it is not. He existed in all reality including that one where Nate was. That's a very uber showing for a god but not a speed feat.





Not beat up. Outspeed them, yes. Regularly. Don't like it? Complain to marvel.



Someone who has actually read all the comics both character have appeared in?





Who gives a shit?





Haha, you are not able to understand a simple logic like that? Oh you poor kid.





GTFO with real life logic. Comics don't work on that.





Cute. Keep living in the dream.

If facts are in your side, you can always show surfer blitzing spider-man, right?



Oh right, you are the one crying PIS, citing rules and invalidating showings because you don't like them and someone else is whining. right.





Was this supposed to be an argument?





So black panther is a speedster now, eh?





Don't go full TV tropes on me kid. This is not CBR where writer's intent is disregarded because you don't like it.



And yet it happens all the time. You don't get to discard it because it doesn't makes sense anymore than Superman flying doesn't makes sense.

Everything counts kid. Everything.





Haha, FTL Thor is back.

Oh the hilarity.

We are gonna have some real fun here.

Hey kid, explain this to me. How was Quicksilver able to evade and become invisible to Captain Marvel moving at lightspeed.

http://i.imgur.com/7qKte94.jpg

That's Classic Mach 1 limit Quicksilver too. Could this be that flying speed doesn't equals combat speed?

*Gasp*

Characters like Thor were called snail compared to him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Blast away. Nobody cares especially me.

Sure you don't.



No, that would be you. You specifically derailed a thread. Admitted to doing so on purpose. Then admitted to digging this thread up in order to get a response out of me.

You're the troll.



It was to illustrate a concept you clearly do not understand.



You yourself noted that processing ibformation does not count anything but bring able to realize something quickly. I haven't said something like this could be used, and you haven't said something like this could be used.



No, you are the one who can't comprehend that freaking talking whilst on something that is moving faster than light doesn't mean you can react to things moving faster than light.

You have to interact something else you're flying towards at those ridiculous speeds. Since they're approaching you as fast as you're approaching them.



No, I am.not doing that right now. Heck, you just did that and I corrected you with the Mantis Shrimp example. You have a poor grasp on it yourself.



This same datakbooks try to say Mjolnir is not faster than light when it is explicity is a lot for times. It's also against the rules to use them in lieu of actual evidence.



What I did was give you an articulate response that crushed every one of your points. That you didn't even read properly.



No, not just Daredevil. Daredevil didn't actually move within the timeframe of a nanosecond. That was processing information not reflexes.

I already debunked this.



No, the Silver Surfer is recognizing that something is happening and then moves within an even smaller timeframe than that.

Which shows that he can act within that allotted time.



That is what you're doing, and you're trying to feign maturity on top of that. At least I am honest about being prideful.

You're incapable of being honest about anything.



Who have a notoriously incomprehensible sense for scale. That makes no sense whatsoever. If what happens in the comic books blatantly contradicts the writers? What actually happens holds more weight in a versus context.

Not what the writers or creators say because they are not perfect. They are capable of making mistakes.



You're the one breaking the rules, and lacking any objectivity here.



Since you're obviously not capable of listening to reason, and care not for any of the clearly established guidelines.



Which requires us to ignore mountains of evidence, and everything we see in the entire trilogy. Heck, the story can't even function as we see it by his interpretation.



This appeal to authority would mean taking what Tom Brevoort said seriously as well. Which means transitive properties can't be used, and which means you can't scale from showings against other characters.

The very source you're using prevents you from using your so called evidence.



It details how I have evidence that I actually read these things. Whereas you have none.



You're supposed read it, and see that no convincing counter argument was made?



Yes, you have. Several times.

Denial isn't just a five in Egypt it seems.



Neither do I.

I reported you for breaking the board rules, derailing a topic, and baiting.



So, you're not going to address anything I said there and are just going to plug your ears now?



No, combat speed how fast you are in combat. It's your short distance speed. Any kind of travel speed is your long distance speed. How fast you can get from point A to point B.

As illustrated with the Mantis Shrimp. It ain't no sprinter but it got the fastest punch in the world.



That reference flew completely over your head it seems.



Already did.

Since my last post, really.



Did you even read it? They were operating within the Planck length between moments. That's a specific timeframe being noted.

http://i50.tinypic.com/rwnegw.jpg



Which doesn't make any sense at all, and they're clear cases of those characters jobbing. Due to the fact the need to make the other guy seems as if they are a threat.



Which you haven't? There is practically no one who has actually done something such as that. The only ones who have you can count on one hand.

There is nothing suggesting that you have.

Your attitude, the fact you keep grabbing scans off from other sites, and the fact you look up summaries for issues?

It shows you're lying here.



Apparently you do because you made an attack on my character based on that.



No, I understand you're the one who doesn't. The only comparison we have is the one in real life. There is no set in stone example within a fictional media.

You're trying to say your opinion on it so fact because you say so.



So, pray tell how do they work? You're using the combat speed and travel speed rhetorics.

They have no definite meaning. The only examples we can use are the ones in real life. Othwerise, you're relying on literal fan-fiction.

"They work this way because I say so."

That's what you're doing. It's incredibly dishonest. It relies on your opinion bring objective fact. Which is not true.



No, you're the one who is delusional here. You're the one plugging his ears with wax.



I showed you the Silver Surfer flying circles around someone at faster than light speeds, and attacking them in that time-frame.

I satisfied the burden of proof.



Don't feign ignorance.

This is something that is prevalent in comic books. You have to deal with this in regards to Superman. Yet, you still apply it anyway with this double standard you have.



Yes, it was.

I already noted why moving within the timeframe of a microsecond so stupidly fast.



In short distances Black Panther can move very fast, yes. As you yourself have proven with that scan you provided.



No, it was quite clear that in the last thread? Those play second fiddle when compared to actual feats. The feats are what matters, and it's by understanding them that we can reach a conclusion on how powerful a character is.



There is an actual explanation for why Superman can fly. So, that's a very poor example to use. Batman has no excuse. He just does things with no individual feats to suggest he is capable of them.

Such as hiding from Superman.



Not when it makes positively no sense whatsoever.



You have no self awareness whatsoever do you?

Your fixation regarding this borders on a mental illness.



That's your game isn't it? Just repeating the same points over, and over no matter how many times they are debunked?

Since you can't come up with proper counter argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey kid, explain this to me. How was Quicksilver able to evade and become invisible to Captain Marvel moving at lightspeed.

http://i.imgur.com/7qKte94.jpg

That's Classic Mach 1 limit Quicksilver too. Could this be that flying speed doesn't equals combat speed?

*Gasp*

Characters like Thor were called snail compared to him.

Due to the fact it's an explicit ability Quicksilver has. He wasn't moving faster than Captain Marvel. Just somehow moving in a way that allowed him to become invisible. Namely by changing the acceleration of how he moved, and zig zagging

You can still him moving in a straight line, and even normal human beings can see things moving at Mach 1.

This makes no sense whatsoever otherwise. Since in that same position Captain Marvel should be able to see Quicksilver.

If for example when you're on a jet airplane and you fly next to another one. You can see it.

Once again I don't put stock in established limitations especially with feats such as this.

If Captain Marvel can fly at lightspeed it makes no sense for her to not be able to see someone moving at mach 1. How can she even see things, and fly around safely if that's the case?

As things would appear to be approaching her at the same speed she is flying at them.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Have a scan or issue reference? I'm curious to see.

He builds a moat at superspeed iirc.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He builds a moat at superspeed iirc.

Yeah, he did, "almost faster than the eye can see" from what I recall. I'd say that counts that he can run at some degree of super speed, but you said an actual running feat.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor, at the very least, has one superspeed running feat under his belt.

Yes didnt he run while he was doing it?

If you mean actual lapping then no, I dont think he has ever raced anyone.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes didnt he run while he was doing it?

If you mean actual lapping then no, I dont think he has ever raced anyone.

I need to look at it again. I remember him hovering, but could be mixing things up. Know the issue reference?

No, but its def in the respect thread.

Either way its not much of a feat.

I thought Abhi doesn't use bios?!?!?

Shocking...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3230585/hippo-poop-fan-o.gif

Originally posted by Sharivan
Sure you don't.



No, that would be you. You specifically derailed a thread. Admitted to doing so on purpose. Then admitted to digging this thread up in order to get a response out of me.

You're the troll.



It was to illustrate a concept you clearly do not understand.



You yourself noted that processing information does not count for anything but being able to realize something quickly. I haven't said something like this could be used, and you haven't said something like this could be used.



No, you are the one who can't comprehend that freaking talking whilst on something that is moving faster than light doesn't mean you can react to things moving faster than light.

You have to interact something else you're flying towards at those ridiculous speeds. Since they're approaching you as fast as you're approaching them.



No, I am not doing that right now. Heck, you just did that and I corrected you with the Mantis Shrimp example. You have a poor grasp on it yourself.



These same databooks try to say Mjolnir is not faster than light when it is explicity is a lot for times. It's also against the rules to use them in lieu of actual evidence.



What I did was give you an articulate response that crushed every one of your points. That you didn't even read properly.



No, not just Daredevil. Daredevil didn't actually move within the timeframe of a nanosecond. That was processing information not reflexes.

I already debunked this.



No, the Silver Surfer is recognizing that something is happening and then moves within an even smaller timeframe than that.

Which shows that he can act within that allotted time.



That is what you're doing, and you're trying to feign maturity on top of that. At least I am honest about being prideful.

You're incapable of being honest about anything.



Who have a notoriously incomprehensible sense for scale. That makes no sense whatsoever. If what happens in the comic books blatantly contradicts the writers? What actually happens holds more weight in a versus context.

Not what the writers or creators say because they are not perfect. They are capable of making mistakes.



You're the one breaking the rules, and lacking any objectivity here.



Since you're obviously not capable of listening to reason, and care not for any of the clearly established guidelines.



Which requires us to ignore mountains of evidence, and everything we see in the entire trilogy. Heck, the story can't even function as we see it by his interpretation.



This appeal to authority would mean taking what Tom Brevoort said seriously as well. Which means transitive properties can't be used, and which means you can't scale from showings against other characters.

The very source you're using prevents you from using your so called evidence.



It details how I have evidence and that I actually read these things. Whereas you have none.



You're supposed to read it, and see that no convincing counter argument was made?



Yes, you have. Several times.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt it seems.



Neither do I.

I reported you for breaking the board rules, derailing a topic, and baiting.



So, you're not going to address anything I said there and are just going to plug your ears now?



No, combat speed how fast you are in combat. It's your short distance speed. Any kind of travel speed is your long distance speed. How fast you can get from point A to point B.

As illustrated with the Mantis Shrimp. It ain't no sprinter but it got the fastest punch in the world.



That reference flew completely over your head it seems.



Already did.

Since my last post, really.



Did you even read it? They were operating within the Planck length between moments. That's a specific timeframe being noted.

http://i50.tinypic.com/rwnegw.jpg



Which doesn't make any sense at all, and there are clear cases of those characters jobbing. Due to the fact they need to make the other guy seem as if they are a threat.



Which you haven't? There is practically no one who has actually done something such as that. The only ones who have you can count on one hand.

There is nothing suggesting that you have.

Your attitude, the fact you keep grabbing scans off from other sites, and the fact you look up summaries for issues?

It shows you're lying here.



Apparently you do because you made an attack on my character based on that.



No, I understand you're the one who doesn't. The only comparison we have is the one in real life. There is no set in stone example within a fictional media.

You're trying to say your opinion on it is fact because you say so.



So, pray tell how do they work? You're using the combat speed and travel speed rhetorics.

They have no definite meaning. The only examples we can use are the ones in real life. Othwerise, you're relying on literal fan-fiction.

"They work this way because I say so."

That's what you're doing. It's incredibly dishonest. It relies on your opinion bring objective fact. Which is not true.



No, you're the one who is delusional here. You're the one plugging his ears with wax.



I showed you the Silver Surfer flying circles around someone at faster than light speeds, and attacking them in that time-frame.

I satisfied the burden of proof.



Don't feign ignorance.

This is something that is prevalent in comic books. You have to deal with this in regards to Superman. Yet, you still apply it anyway with this double standard you have.



Yes, it was.

I already noted why moving within the timeframe of a microsecond so stupidly fast.



In short distances Black Panther can move very fast, yes. As you yourself have proven with that scan you provided.



No, it was quite clear that in the last thread? Those play second fiddle when compared to actual feats. The feats are what matters, and it's by understanding them that we can reach a conclusion on how powerful a character is.



There is an actual explanation for why Superman can fly. So, that's a very poor example to use. Batman has no excuse. He just does things with no individual feats to suggest he is capable of them.

Such as hiding from Superman.



Not when it makes positively no sense whatsoever.



You have no self awareness whatsoever do you?

Your fixation regarding this borders on a mental illness.



That's your game isn't it? Just repeating the same points over, and over no matter how many times they are debunked?

Since you can't come up with proper counter arguments.

Just fixing some typos because the fifteen minute limit doesn't let me edit beyond that.

You'd have to ignore quite a few showings to think Surfer doesn't possess some level of superspeed independent of his board.

Whether he's likely to use it in a fight is another issue.

Two of the fastest Heralds reflex wise in a running battle. Surfer wins.

Originally posted by krisblaze
No, but its def in the respect thread.

Either way its not much of a feat.

And you didn't go to get it when I politely asked for a scan?!!?!

On a serious note, yeah, but it's something. And I'd count it as applicable for running anyway unless it was stated or shown that for some weird reason it didn't apply to his lower body.

Boy if you think writing long posts will give you the last word, are you in a surprise.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Sure you don't.

Of course. Should I take permission from TV tropes first?





This is useless nonsense. Keep your opinions to yourself, I don't have any use for them.





Another nonsense.





Some more nonsense. Boy, you are good at posting inane things.





And why not? Because you and TV tropes say so? Sorry kid, I don't recognize your authority and particularly tv tropes.



How about identifying the tear in reality which even surfer couldn't have done?





Another nonsense.





You could always post an example. Mjolnir travels FTL by opening warps in hyperspace.

But I liked how you are right and writers from marvel are wrong.





I don't read nonsense by whiny kid properly. Sue me.





But Surfer processing information within a microsecond is presented as a speed feat. How amusing.



In your mind perhaps.





No, he is making a statement which is never proven. Darkseid makes a comment that when Ares will appear, they will only have a nanosecond to act.

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011100_Genesis_4_pg12.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011102_Genesis_4_pg13.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011105_Genesis_4_pg14.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011107_Genesis_4_pg15.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011110_Genesis_4_pg16.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29011112_Genesis_4_pg17.jpg

By your logic, everyone there acted in a nanosecond only and even characters like Desaad have nanosecond reflexes.



Proof? Character statements aren't proof.









Some more nonsense.





No, it doesn't. If you have any issues with what a writer writes in the comics, write and draw your own comics.

What you think happens in the comics means shit.



Its their works. They are free to do or say whatever they want. Who are you?





Nonsense abound!





Some more nonsense.





So? His interpretation of the character is what the character is. Complain to the creator how he makes his own work unable to function.





I'm talking about what actually happens in the comics and what the writer writes. Tom Brevoort isn't a writer last I checked.



You are deeply traumatized by Breevort and comics writer it seems. How dare they don't comply to your logic!





Haha, seriously? GTFO.





I don't read nonsense kid.





And the cliches machine is in full running.

Do continue to write nonsense kid.





Of course you do. "How could spider-man do this to silver surfer.". Just in the previous post.



Good to know. Anything else? If you are so agitated, you can always stop posting.





Is there anything to address except your whining?





No, combat speed is how fast you are compared to other characters. If you are able to blitz another character, you are faster than him. That's only way to compare combat speed.



Again with real life shit? Boy, you have a lot to learn.





Nonsensical real life references in comic book discussions always do.





Who is running to authority now, eh?

Should I report you for bashing me constantly without any provoking?





Not due to superspeed. Ares and Nate Grey aren't going to speedblitz anyone soon. Or anytime.



Uselss references are your specialty, eh?





Not if it happens consistently. Spider-man is regularly shown to be faster than Thor and SIlver surfer in a fight.

No amount of whining would change that.

Yes, that includes me. And not you.



You are acting like I have to prove it to you. You are nothing but an internet punk to me kid.



Because I'm lazy. Sue me.



Whatever floats your boat kid. You can believe whatever you want, I seriously don't give a shit about what you think.





"Your character."? Haha, oh you snivelling kid. Nobody cares. Especially me.





Of course there are. There are rules in both marvel and DC comics. Real life science doesn't dicate it unless the writers intend it so.



Of course. You get it now. Plus the scans that support it of course.





In comics, combat speed of a character is solely determined by how fast they can fight. In case of speedsters, it is determined how fast they can run. Simple logic.



Comics are fanfiction kid. The writers are fans first. Don't tell me you take all this as real.

Men don't fly in real life kid.



Yes, essentially so.



Of course it is. Got anything to disprove my logic?





So should I report you here?





He travelled faster than light on his board and then stopped to attack him. Deathurge arrowed him on the very next page.



http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurfer_Rune-07.jpg~original

And the time stream was frozen, there was no meaning of speed in that instance. Surfer being able to travel faster than light itself is contradictory in that instance.

Not to mention, Spider-man again proved faster than Surfer in combat against Deathurge when he actually dodged several of his attacks which surfer couldn't.

http://i.imgur.com/OnkEdpy.png
http://i.imgur.com/mavVBbh.png



In your mind only. Surfer moving on his board is only an example of travel speed. Talking is free action after all.





Never did.



I take everything in on average. Outliers happen but they are just that, outliers.





That's some shitty argument then.

I already noted why moving within the timeframe of a microsecond so stupidly fast.

If only it was a microsecond.





As fast as silver surfer?





A few outlier feats don't make a character speedster kid. You have to take everything in account.





Is there in real life?



Except he is. Comic books aren't for such deep scrutiny kid.



And why not? Superman isn't infallible.





From your perspective. Which is worthless. If a writer choses to write Batman as being able to hide from Superman, that's his perspective. And his perspective counts. Yours doesn't.





I don't go on TV Tropes and Narutoforums for calculation of comic feats. So maybe no.



Should I report you now?





If only you have anything which debunks anything.



Yeah, that's not what happens here kid. If you have nothing to counter, just say so. It will save both of our times.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Due to the fact it's an explicit ability Quicksilver has. He wasn't moving faster than Captain Marvel. Just somehow moving in a way that allowed him to become invisible. Namely by changing the acceleration of how he moved, and zig zagging

But as Monica is moving at lightspeed, she should have reflexes to see at the same speed by your logic. Travel speed is combat speed. Except sometimes it doesn't. Right?



But lightspeed Monica can't?



Can it be that travel speed is never combat speed?



But you don't have reflexes to see a slower moving object like a bird. Because it is not in your inertial frame. You can only see things which are moving at the same speed as the vehicle as yours do.

That's why Surfer moving on a board doesn't have the reflexes to match the speed of his board. Just as Thor can't match the speed of mjolnir.



Nobody asked for your opinion about what limitations you can put.



Comics are inconsistent like that. They are not made for scientific research which happens on Narutoforums.

You just have to roll with it. Its the same way how surfer can travel FTL and spider man can still blitz the **** out of him.

Travel speed is never combat speed.

whelp, anyone who has time to read all of that, has wayyy too much time on their hands.... lol

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought Abhi doesn't use bios?!?!?

Shocking...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3230585/hippo-poop-fan-o.gif
I didn't.

You can read, I assume.

Originally posted by Fiendish
You'd have to ignore quite a few showings to think Surfer doesn't possess some level of superspeed independent of his board.

Whether he's likely to use it in a fight is another issue.
Some level of superspeed? Yes. Below spider-man level? Yes.

Anything above? Bullshit.Originally posted by carver9
Two of the fastest Heralds reflex wise in a running battle. Surfer wins.
We are not talking about reflexes in street level category carter.

You used a freaking databook in the very last page.

Also, hilarious that you complained about me writing long posts. When you wrote three different long posts in a row a day after we finished this discussion.

In an effort to get the freaking last word in. Oh my phucking god, and you have the nerve to call me a "kid."

You're the one behaving like one.

Which are full of nothing but keyboard vomit. That are completely nonsensical, and do not rebuke anything I brought up. What "evidence" you did bring up is heavily rife with biased interpretations of if. Which make no sense at all except in your own mind.

Sometimes you even respond in ways that clearly show you didn't read a part of my post.

Now you're feigning ignorance once more.

In this very moment you prove me right about you.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You used a freaking databook in the very last page.

Yes, I did. Are you gonna report me kid?



Yes, *** for Tat as they say.



Of course. How else can you be taught manners here?



Should I post SBP "You did it to me" meme here? From TV tropes?



So why don't you write another long post accusing me of mental illness and whatnot.

And report me for posting a long post. That always works.



Of course, I can only read nonsense so much.



Is that your catchphrase?



I couldn't care less what you think about me kid.

I never do.

Originally posted by leonidas
whelp, anyone who has time to read all of that, has wayyy too much time on their hands.... lol
You know me too well.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You used a freaking databook in the very last page.

Also, hilarious that you complained about me writing long posts. When you wrote three different long posts in a row a day after we finished this discussion.

In an effort to get the freaking last word in. Oh my phucking god, and you have the nerve to call me a "kid."

You're the one behaving like one.

Which are full of nothing but keyboard vomit. That are completely nonsensical, and do not rebuke anything I brought up. What "evidence" you did bring up is heavily rife with biased interpretations of if. Which make no sense at all except in your own mind.

Sometimes you even respond in ways that clearly show you didn't read a part of my post.

Now you're feigning ignorance once more.

In this very moment you prove me right about you.

Everyone on Herochat also pretty much says the same about him as well.

Seriously, he is even disagreeing with me when I am saying the same thing he is. You know, with regards to the Mantis Shrimp example?

He himself even differentiates between running speed and combat speed. When that was what I was doing.

The difference is I don't try to treat these things as concrete concepts in fiction. As they are not universally defined in it. They are incredibly inconsistent. You would have to dishonestly say all pieces of fiction work the exact same way.

Now he is saying it is but "not in regards to Silver Surfer and Thor because I say so."

Despite mountains of evidence proving him wrong.

Could he be even more blatant about his bias?

The only thing we can do is differ back, and use instances we see in life. As that is the only way we can do it objectively. As real life is separated from our subjective opinions.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Seriously, he is even disagreeing with me when I am saying the same thing he is. You know, with regards to the Mantis Shrimp example?

I disagree on principle. Don't use real life science to explain comics.



Running speed IS combat speed.



They work on a common ground. As of now pretty much every writer who has written for DC comics has written for marvel and vice-versa.



Especially for silver surfer or Thor.



Like what?



Yes, I could be. I can always say Surfer and Thor are FTL because some shit happened in a comic a long time ago one time.



No real life shit. Go to the forum which uses real life scenarios to explain comic books.

This is not that forum.

Originally posted by abhilegend I disagree on principle. Don't use real life science to explain comics.

So, you admit that you're disagreeing with me for no reason besides the fact you have an emotional investment in this?

Don't use your personal fantasies, and apply them universally to all comic books. As if you're the law in regards to comic books.



You just said it wasn't in one of your three long posts, and now you're just saying it's not because of your aforementioned nonsensical principles.



Which is being defined by you. Which is the worst thing you can do in debate. You're making the rules for how it works when your opinion holds no more water than mine.



So, you're trying to say all writers are in a sort of hive-mind which exists for the sole purpose of agreeing with your interpretation of combat speed and running speed?



You're not helping your case by exhibiting your bias once again.



The many scans I posted which you attempted to handwave by butchering the context.



I find that hard to believe.



That's not what I did.

I provided numerous instances across different times. Not just one or two examples. What you're doing now is attempting to build a false narrative.

I could do the same with Superman, and you would cry foul. Heck, I could do the same for Darkseid and you would cry foul.

Despite the fact Darkseid has even less instances than either Thor or Silver Surfer.

Not unless you dishonestly rely solely on fights between characters. When they're hilariously inconsistent in regards to what they're actually capable of.

Just take instances such as Lobo being hurt by normal handguns in Hitman.

Comic books are notorious regarding this.



It's better than using subjective opinions, arbitrary standards as determined by you and only you, and acting as if your word is law.

Which is what you're doing right now.



It doesn't matter.

There is a universal standard for debate that puts a focus on objectivity over subjectivity. The truth should be what matters, and that relies on constructive analysis.

Originally posted by Sharivan
So, you admit that you're disagreeing with me for no reason besides the fact you have an emotional investment in this?

No, because I don't argue comics on real life science. Simple as that kid.



This is no fantasy kid. Simple cold logic.





Yes, why not? You are simply posting long posts for last word and I can't return the favor?





Yes, you play my mine rules. Which are defined by the comics themselves.

Pardon me if I don't go by TV tropes.





No, they are bound by continuity and a general power level of characters.





This again?





That's a fine way to say "I posted wrong scans".





See if I care.





Yes, that's what you did.



Nope, you just combed through respect threads and tried to make a character look better than what they are shown in the comics.



Darkseid isn't a speedster. Superman is. I would laugh in your face if you are trying to compare Superman's speed to Thor and Surfer.

Go ahead kid, make my day.



That's the sole criteria kid.



Lobo is not bulletproof. He has been blasted through by normal bullets a lot of times. That's just how the character works to show his healing factor.



Why don't you write your own comics which are consistent then? Why argue about inconsistent comics?





Of course. My word is law as long as it is supported by comics. Which is always.



And I'm right. That's it.





Of course it is. When Surfer or Thor show speed as a speedster, do let me know.



Which you are incapable of doing. Only what you think is correct, source material be damned because they are inconsistent and only you are inconsistent.

I will take comics over your logic any day of the week.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I did. Are you gonna report me kid?

I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

You are a pathological liar.



No, this is backwards. You're the one acting as if you're an overgrown manchild.



Are you freaking serious? I am not going to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect anyone but himself.



How would that even make sense as a retort for what I just said there? Have you been following this conversation at all?



You're doing yourself no favors by acting exactly in the way that I am saying you are acting. You're giving out more material for me to use against you as we speak.

What you have done so far is worse than any of my long posts. Your long posts have nothing of substance in them.



I reported you for disregarding the rules of the board, derailing a topic, and baiting me.

I didn't report you for your keyboard vomit.



So, you're admitting to the fact that you're not even bothering to listen to my arguments and are just ignoring them now?



How can that even be construed as a catch phrase?



Yet, a day after this argument you decided to regurgitate three long posts in a row. In order to force me to respect you.

Thou doth protest too much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because I don't argue comics on real life science. Simple as that kid.

You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.



It is your fantasy abhilegend, and it's not cold hard logic. That's what I have been using.

What you have spouted with your keyboard vomit are the ramblings of a psychopathic manchild.



Care to actually prove those posts held no substance, and were about me trying to get the last word in? Instead of the rebuttals that they were?

Oh, that's right.

You can't, and simply respond with meaningless keyboard vomit.



No, I will not play by your rules. These concepts are not defined by the comic books themselves. The concepts of combat speed, and travel speed were invented by people arguing within a versus context.

We invented them.

Comic book writers couldn't care less about this.



Straw man.

I provided one link so I could illustrate a concept for you that you clearly do not understand.

After you tried to stupidly apply speech into this. When that requires them to actually be moving in relation to something. Which they're not.

Which is the biggest difference between that, and attacking something or someone at those break neck speeds. As they fly right next to or around them.



The latter of which you're basing entirely on your subjective opinion, and heavy bias against these characters.

What I have posted so far is within canon so I don't see why you're bringing up continuity now.



As it's extremely prevalent that you're incapable of being objective. As noted by myself and others.



Uh no, you're the the one who posts scans and then butchers their context.



That retort doesn't even make sense.

Along with most of your other retorts.



No, that is not what I did.

Which is clear for anyone who is actually reading my posts.

You're not.



You are the person who has done this. The difference being that instead of trying to make them look better. You look for any instance of garbage writing you can find and dry hump it to death.



We have been talking combat speed for the last couple of pages but I am not surprised that you're using yet another straw man. I don't care about the topic of your spite thread made a year ago.

Since it should have been locked since then.



Once again you're proving my point that you have an emotional investment in this. You are so traumatized by years of Superman vs Thor and Superman vs Silver Surfer that this has become a obsession for you.

Your first response to what was said there is bringing up Superman in comparison to them. When I said no such thing in that part of my post.



No, it isn't and by your own stance regarding writers and editors it is exempt because Tom Brevoort believes transitive properties such as that don't apply.

Instead that individual feats such as destroying a mountain or outrunning a bullet do.



You claim to be a Superman reader but conveniently forget all the times where Lobo survives being beat on by him? The time he was punched into earth's orbit for example?

If Lobo wasn't superhumanly durable his own strength would constantly destroy his own body, and every one of Superman's punches would always splatter him.

Yet, they don't always do this.



Why do you argue or debate about them? It's because I like comic books plain and simple but I do not ignore their many faults such as you do.



It's not supported by the comic books which are incredibly inconsistent. It's not supported the writers who don't care about this. It's not supported by the editor who thinks it's a poor way to judge a character's abilities.



No, this would be you plugging your ears with wax and whining.

"I-I-I-I am always right my momma said so."

That's how you sound right now. Down to the stutter.



We were talking about combat speed to begin with not their running speed. I don't care about the topic of this thread. It shouldn't have been taken seriously by anyone to begin with.

Since it was a spite thread, and you annually use it as bait in order to assuage your own frail ego.

Which you are incapable of doing. Only what you think is correct, source material be damned because they are inconsistent and only you are inconsistent.

Pray tell in what way am I inconsistent? I acknowedlge these things across the board for every character. I don't play favorites or try to bash on other characters. I give them their due.

Just take the fact I acknowledged that Black Panther had a microsecond feat. Since he actually moved in that timeframe. Just Daniel Rand has one.

Just like Superman has nanosecond and femtosecond feats that I would use in an argument.



Those same comic books agree with me just as much as they agree with you. There are numerous instances on both sides. I provided them, and you had the nerve to mutilate their context.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.


Abhi is neither white nor even American so..... that's just weird.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Abhi is neither white nor even American so..... that's just weird.

As if you need to be American or white.

http://i.imgur.com/uqRvcrJ.jpg

You underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.

Originally posted by Sharivan
As if you need to be American or white.

http://i.imgur.com/uqRvcrJ.jpg

You underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.

You're justifying that stupid insult?

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're justifying that stupid insult?

How is it stupid?

He sounds just like a slave plantation owner whenever he acts that way. The bloated sense of self-importance, and derogatory way he treats others despite having no maturity himself.

Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners.

Originally posted by Sharivan
How is it stupid?

He sounds just like a slave plantation owner whenever he acts that way. The bloated sense of self-importance, and derogatory way he treats others despite having no maturity himself.

Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners.

It's stupid because you're trying to pull racism into something where there is none.

And now you're trying to defend that stupidity with a strawman.

You're just grasping at straws with both.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

You are a pathological liar.



No, this is backwards. You're the one acting as if you're an overgrown manchild.



Are you freaking serious? I am not going to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect anyone but himself.



How would that even make sense as a retort for what I just said there? Have you been following this conversation at all?



You're doing yourself no favors by acting exactly in the way that I am saying you are acting. You're giving out more material for me to use against you as we speak.

What you have done so far is worse than any of my long posts. Your long posts have nothing of substance in them.



I reported you for disregarding the rules of the board, derailing a topic, and baiting me.

I didn't report you for your keyboard vomit.



So, you're admitting to the fact that you're not even bothering to listen to my arguments and are just ignoring them now?



How can that even be construed as a catch phrase?



Yet, a day after this argument you decided to regurgitate three long posts in a row. In order to force me to respect you.

Thou doth protest too much.



You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.



It is your fantasy abhilegend, and it's not cold hard logic. That's what I have been using.

What you have spouted with your keyboard vomit are the ramblings of a psychopathic manchild.



Care to actually prove those posts held no substance, and were about me trying to get the last word in? Instead of the rebuttals that they were?

Oh, that's right.

You can't, and simply respond with meaningless keyboard vomit.



No, I will not play by your rules. These concepts are not defined by the comic books themselves. The concepts of combat speed, and travel speed were invented by people arguing within a versus context.

We invented them.

Comic book writers couldn't care less about this.



Straw man.

I provided one link so I could illustrate a concept for you that you clearly do not understand.

After you tried to stupidly apply speech into this. When that requires them to actually be moving in relation to something. Which they're not.

Which is the biggest difference between that, and attacking something or someone at those break neck speeds. As they fly right next to or around them.



The latter of which you're basing entirely on your subjective opinion, and heavy bias against these characters.

What I have posted so far is within canon so I don't see why you're bringing up continuity now.



As it's extremely prevalent that you're incapable of being objective. As noted by myself and others.



Uh no, you're the the one who posts scans and then butchers their context.



That retort doesn't even make sense.

Along with most of your other retorts.



No, that is not what I did.

Which is clear for anyone who is actually reading my posts.

You're not.



You are the person who has done this. The difference being that instead of trying to make them look better. You look for any instance of garbage writing you can find and dry hump it to death.



We have been talking combat speed for the last couple of pages but I am not surprised that you're using yet another straw man. I don't care about the topic of your spite thread made a year ago.

Since it should have been locked since then.



Once again you're proving my point that you have an emotional investment in this. You are so traumatized by years of Superman vs Thor and Superman vs Silver Surfer that this has become a obsession for you.

Your first response to what was said there is bringing up Superman in comparison to them. When I said no such thing in that part of my post.



No, it isn't and by your own stance regarding writers and editors it is exempt because Tom Brevoort believes transitive properties such as that don't apply.

Instead that individual feats such as destroying a mountain or outrunning a bullet do.



You claim to be a Superman reader but conveniently forget all the times where Lobo survives being beat on by him? The time he was punched into earth's orbit for example?

If Lobo wasn't superhumanly durable his own strength would constantly destroy his own body, and every one of Superman's punches would always splatter him.

Yet, they don't always do this.



Why do you argue or debate about them? It's because I like comic books plain and simple but I do not ignore their many faults such as you do.



It's not supported by the comic books which are incredibly inconsistent. It's not supported the writers who don't care about this. It's not supported by the editor who thinks it's a poor way to judge a character's abilities.



No, this would be you plugging your ears with wax and whining.

"I-I-I-I am always right my momma said so."

That's how you sound right now. Down to the stutter.



We were talking about combat speed to begin with not their running speed. I don't care about the topic of this thread. It shouldn't have been taken seriously by anyone to begin with.

Since it was a spite thread, and you annually use it as bait in order to assuage your own frail ego.



Pray tell in what way am I inconsistent? I acknowledge these things across the board for every character. I don't play favorites or try to bash on other characters. I give them their due.

Just take the fact I acknowledged that Black Panther had a microsecond feat. Since he actually moved in that timeframe. Just Daniel Rand has one.

Just like Superman has nanosecond and femtosecond feats that I would use in an argument.



Those same comic books agree with me just as much as they agree with you. There are numerous instances on both sides. I provided them, and you had the nerve to mutilate their context.

Fixing yet more typos.

Someone needs to remove the fifteen minute limit on edits or something.

Originally posted by Delta1938 It's stupid because you're trying to pull racism into something where there is none.

It was an insult that I made in order to illustrate how much of an ignorant hick he was sounding like. I wasn't trying to call him racist.

Do you even have a sense of humor?



That wasn't a straw man that was me making a joke. Do I have to explain in triplicate for you?



I was using that comparison solely for the purpose of comedy. Are you so thick that you can't notice blatant sarcasm?

Originally posted by Sharivan

It was an insult that I made in order to illustrate how much of an ignorant hick he was sounding like. I wasn't trying to call him racist.

Do you even have a sense of humor?



That wasn't a straw man that was me making a joke. Do I have to explain in triplicate for you?



I was using that comparison solely for the purpose of comedy. Are you so thick that you can't notice blatant sarcasm?

If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

It wasn't funny. It was stupid. And now you're backtracking. Don't call others thick when you're trying to play off your insults as "comedy," Mr. Pot.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

It wasn't funny. It was stupid. And now you're backtracking. Don't call others thick when you're trying to play off your insults as "comedy," Mr. Pot. Iyo not mine. Quit focusing on a joke according to you is bad taste as this will derail the thread. Lighten up this is a board people come to argue fictional characters.

Originally posted by Delta1938 If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

I already asked them.

They're not around a lot, and haven't responded much.



Yes, it was.

It's not my fault you can't read sarcasm.



No, I am not.

You're trying to say I was straw manning when I was making an obvious joke.

How in the world does "Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners" sound remotely serious?



They were.

Abhilegend was derogatorily using "boy" and "kid" in a debate about fictional characters. Making himself sound the part of an ignorant hick from a bygone era. When we're both nerds fixating on a pointless hobby.

The difference is I am able to laugh at it and myself.

Whereas he has a stick up his behind the size of Rhode Island.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't.

You can read, I assume.


Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.


What planet are u from?

Originally posted by Sharivan
I already asked them.

They're not around a lot, and haven't responded much.



Yes, it was.

It's not my fault you can't read sarcasm.



No, I am not.

You're trying to say I was straw manning when I was making an obvious joke.

How in the world does "Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners" sound remotely serious?



They were.

Abhilegend was derogatorily using "boy" and "kid" in a debate about fictional characters. Making himself sound the part of an ignorant hick from a bygone era. When we're both nerds fixating on a pointless hobby.

The difference is I am able to laugh at it and myself.

Whereas he has a stick up his behind the size of Rhode Island.

Sucks for you then.

No, it wasn't funny to begin with. And you calling me thick because I'm not buying your using it as a shield for criticism after this?

Originally posted by ghostman
nanoseconds>microseconds

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wrong. Microseconds are bigger.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Dude, he was referring to speed.

In that case reacting in nanoseconds is more impressive because it's a smaller timeframe.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I guess the emoticon wasn't enough of an indicator I was ****ing with him.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I have seen people use it unironically before. You never know with the internet.

You have no right to accuse others of failing to see sarcasm, or calling others hypocrites.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Sucks for you then.

No, you're the one who is being purposely obtuse in regards to something that is obvious.



Yes, it was because the imagery behind that is hilarious.

Not my fault you have garbage taste in humor.



Poisoning the well, and an attempt at an ad hominem. As I already explained I have seen people use that emoticon unironically before. Along with using the thumbs up emoticon ironically.

Just take every time abhilegend disagrees with someone whilst giving them a thumbs up.

It has a lot of uses.

The only reason I said that was in order to make sure what you meant exactly.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We know. Originally posted by Sharivan
Just making sure.

As seen here.

Which you dishonestly cut out of the conversation. I didn't try to dig into you beyond that, try to say you were attempting to backpeddle or save face.

Which is what you're doing right now. Despite the fact it was far more clear that I was being sarcastic. In what way was how I worded what I said there unironic?

Are you the kind of person who would claim someone is being serious when they say "Cory in the House is the best anime."

I would assume you have some intelligence, and would recognize ridiculous statements for what they were.

I guess I was wrong.



That wasn't sarcasm. That was a straw man you made in good humor. You misinterpreted what that guy meant as a joke.

Nor does it justify you doing the same thing, and on purpose at that. That, on top of the fact you're being anal about this. When I wasn't in regards to what you said.

I didn't even insult you or accuse you of trying to claim someone was seriously racist.

The worst thing I did was call you "dude."

I in no way overreacted in the way you are doing right now.

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, you're the one who is being purposely obtuse in regards to something that is obvious.



Yes, it was because the imagery behind that is hilarious.

Not my fault you have garbage taste in humor.



Poisoning the well, and an attempt at an ad hominem. As I already explained I have seen people use that emoticon unironically before. Along with using the thumbs up emoticon ironically.

Just take every time abhilegend disagrees with someone whilst giving them a thumbs up.

It has a lot of uses.

The only reason I said that was in order to make sure what you meant exactly.



As seen here.

Which you dishonestly cut out of the conversation. I didn't try to dig into you beyond that, try to say you were attempting to backpeddle or save face.

Which is what you're doing right now. Despite the fact it was far more clear that I was being sarcastic. In what way was how I worded what I said there unironic?

Are you the kind of person who would claim someone is being serious when they say "Cory in the House is the best anime."

I would assume you have some intelligence, and would recognize ridiculous statements for what they were.

I guess I was wrong.



That wasn't sarcasm. That was a straw man you made in good humor. You misinterpreted what that guy meant as a joke.

Nor does it justify you doing the same thing, and on purpose at that. That, on top of the fact you're being anal about this. When I wasn't in regards to what you said.

I didn't even insult you or accuse you of trying to claim someone was seriously racist.

The worst thing I did was call you "dude."

I in no way overreacted in the way you are doing right now.

I'm being obtuse for saying sucks for you you're bothered by typos this much and can't do a lot about it?

It's not my "garbage taste in humor." It's stupid, and that's that.

Thank you for proving to be a massive hypocrite with all your attempts to justify.

And how did I dishonestly cut anything out? It was irrelevant to my point. If you actually were "just making sure" you should've said something, or asked, in the first place.

Originally posted by Delta1938 ]I'm being obtuse for saying sucks for you you're bothered by typos this much and can't do a lot about it?

You didn't reply to each of my points individually, and I thought you were referring to how I insulted abhilegend.

You didn't specify at all there.



You're being a brick wall about an obvious sarcastic remark despite the fact you know better.



How did I prove I was a hypocrite? I showed you that I wasn't digging into you in that case, and let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Whereas you are trying to say I was completely serious, and that nothing I said in regards to my insults or jokes were sarcastic.



You're omitting the fact that I didn't overreact, that I let it go once you clarified what you meant, and the only reason I did so in the first place was because your joke wasn't funny either.



Which is what? That I listen to people when they clarify what they mean, and I don't make a big deal out of it afterwards?

Good job.

You proved that I am a more reasonable debator than you are.



That's exactly what I did with my initial statement, and I waited to see what your response was before making my final judgment on it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Where is the scan of Silver Surfer moving his limbs fast like Superman or Flash?

It's called extrapolation. You can extrapolate on what a character could be capable of based on their other feats. Surfer is a cosmic swiss army knife and thus doesn't always utilized his speed.



Spider-Man is like the Batman of Marvel though, in that everybody jobs to him. How else do you explain how he's survived fights against the beings he has?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.


What planet are u from?

I like this celeyhyga17 guy.

He sounds like good people.

Does Surfer even have any showings of foot speed?

Thor ran across the eastern US in like 20 or 30 seconds, while that clearly doesn't make him Marvel's Wally West, it's more than Surfer has shown.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You didn't reply to each of my points individually, and I thought you were referring to how I insulted abhilegend.

You didn't specify at all there.



You're being a brick wall about an obvious sarcastic remark despite the fact you know better.



How did I prove I was a hypocrite? I showed you that I wasn't digging into you in that case, and let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Whereas you are trying to say I was completely serious, and that nothing I said in regards to my insults or jokes were sarcastic.



You're omitting the fact that I didn't overreact, that I let it go once you clarified what you meant, and the only reason I did so in the first place was because your joke wasn't funny either.



Which is what? That I listen to people when they clarify what they mean, and I don't make a big deal out of it afterwards?

Good job.

You proved that I am a more reasonable debator than you are.



That's exactly what I did with my initial statement, and I waited to see what your response was before making my final judgment on it.

Actually, the question was giving you more than you deserved, because my "tough for you" was literally at the top like your statement about not getting help from the mods was for you. But of course you're sure to be a hypocrite here too. And I don't have to quote each individually to reply. You're not worth the effort.

I'm "being a brick wall" because you said something stupid, and are defending it. Which is also stupid.

You proved you're a hypocrite by defending your completely missing my sarcasm and then accusing others of missing sarcasm, calling them thick. That's idiotic, dishonest and a total ***** move. The fact that you're continuing to defend this proves everything I've said.

Where did I say you overreacted again?

Boy are you thick to believe this.

Yes, because you didn't ask in the first place or go, "Not sure if you're serious or not." And you "let it go." vin Concessions accepted on you're the thick, dishonest poster you accuse me of being, hypocrite.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

I don't use bios. That was just to show you how bios show surfer in speed.



Are you simply here for flaming and trolling? If you want to get into flame war, come to herochat. I'll let you know what a true flame war is.





You are the one who is calling me mentally ill and now apparently a slave owner and "I'm acting like an overgrown manchild."?

Are you seriously this dense?





I don't give a shit about what you think about me boy. Keep your respect to yourself.





Yes, are you sure you can read? At all?





You are using that as a stock catchphrase since you started here kid. Nobody cares what you think you have.



Who gives a shit?





I haven't reported you yet for bashing me in every post you make. This is the last time I'm doing so.



If you can't follow a civil discussion, get out of this thread.





No, I am listening. Just that they are all nonsense. That's how I know. By reading your arguments.





You are quite fond of using that.





Noody is forcing anything on you kid. You are trying to get the last word by posting long posts.

I'm just returning the favor. By interest.



Thou art just dense.







And that's enough bashing. You are too emotionally invested in this it seems.

I call you a kid or boy because you are acting like a 5 year old petulant child.



Shut up already with your nonsense.





You have used quite a time bitching about that. Yet, I see nothing but nonsense in evry post. Where are your proofs?



Again with the bashing? Are you just trying to get a rise from me when you can't prove anything you said?





Of course. What kind of scan do you require?



Some internet warrior you are.





If you are engaging with me, you have no other choice.



No, these are defined by the comics themselves. You and me don't matter in this context. Versus boards don't matter either.



No, you didn't.



Of course they do. That's why Flash is calle the fastest man alive. You didn't created that phrase.





How amusing.



Of course I do. Do you?



Pardon me, I don't give a shit about WHAT you think is necessary for speed. TV tropes logic don't work here boy.



That's not combat speed anymore than a pilot using complex maneuvers on his plane at more than mach speed has faster than sound reflexes.

Think it through. Or don't. Nobody cares.





Nope. I'm just using what's in the comics. You clearly don't. You are using your own logic despite what the comics are telling us because "comics are inconsistent and only you can decide what's right and what's not."



You are posting outliers as averages of the characters. Pick a random 100 comics of Thor or Surfer and point out how many times they use superspeed in a fight.

You will know why I don't call them a speedster.





And why should I care about whatever you and others think?





Excellent logic. Mind telling me where that happened?





For that you will need a functioning brain.



Excellent logic again.





Of course you did.



Popular fallacy again? Tsk, Tsk.



Of course I am. You are using "vomit" a lot for some reason.





Yes, anything you don't like is garbage writing. Excellent logic again.





The what are you doing here? Get out of here.



Why? Neither Thor nor Surfer can stomp either here. I'm not pitting Flash against them here.





Here comes the irony. Just a few days of arguing and you have called me everything from a psychopath to a slave owner and I'm emotionally invested in this?

Kid, you are a piece of work.



Of course you did. Your entire argument is "How dare you, a superman fanboy question the speed of Thor and SIlver surfer.'





I only care about what's in the comics. Let me see what comics Breevort wrote those words in.



No, that isn't. You can destroy a planet and if someone comes along and break your arms and leave you broken, they are stronger than you. You can outrun a bullet and then someone comes and outruns you, they are faster than you.

Even if they don't destroy a planet or outrun a bullet.

And yet he gets shot by bullets. Are these supposed to be contradictory?

You must be from the camp where it is demeaning to get shot by bullets?

Here you go, Lobo gets shot in a comic where he gets beat on by Superman too.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016043_DC1st_Superman_Lobo_01-19.jpg


http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016031_LobovsSupermanDC.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016032_LobovsSupermanDC-2.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016033_LobovsSupermanDC-3.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016034_LobovsSupermanDC-4.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016035_LobovsSupermanDC-5.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016036_LobovsSupermanDC-6.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016037_LobovsSupermanDC-7.jpg



Tell that to the comic writers. Your logic is again based on real life science and hence worthless.

You don't get to dictate what should and shouldn't happen in the comics.



Majority of the times they do. That's what matters.





I don't ignore anything in the comics. You don't like comics, you like feats.

If you liked comics you will not try to find flaws within a fantasy genre which by its nature is nonsensical.

These characters don't exist kid.



They are more consistent than you think.



Of course that's rubbish. You think only you know about these characters and only versus forums can see what the characters are capable of?

GTFO with this shit.





Which is exactly what you are doing.



No, I'm always right because I am arguin comic book logic.



How amusing.





Running speed IS combat speed. You can't be faster than light in reflexes and unable to run at even Mach 1.

But as you are not interested in thread topic, how about you get out of it?



Whine some more. See if anyone cares.





You are inconsistent in everything. First you want to apply real life science in comics and then you also use comic book logic where its convenient. Stick to one logic.



But Daredevil's nanosecond feat is discarded because he didn't oved in it. Yet Surfer's mental processing feat is a speed feat.

Desaad's nanosecond feat isn't even acknowledged. How about Iron Man's picosecond feat?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg



Would you?





No, they don't. Simple as that.

You are basically whining why comics don't play by your rules. That's not how debating works kid.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's called extrapolation. You can extrapolate on what a character could be capable of based on their other feats. Surfer is a cosmic swiss army knife and thus doesn't always utilized his speed.

If you have to extrapolate his speed after 50 years of publication, he does not has superspeed.

Do you have to extrapolate Flash's speed?





Because he is that tough.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.


What planet are u from?
Of course it does. It has no weight on my arguments.

Are you sure you can comprehend something?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually, the question was giving you more than you deserved, because my "tough for you" was literally at the top like your statement about not getting help from the mods was for you.

That's not reason enough for me to assume you were referring to that when you said that.

It didn't give me anything at all. When what you were talking about in that entire post, for the vast majority of it, was how I insulted abhilegend.



Yet, I am more than capable of giving you this courtesy but apparently you're so lazy you can't be bothered to specify what you're even talking about.

In a post that largely talks about something entirely different.



I insulted abhilegend, and then you said it was weird despite the fact he does sound exactly like an ignorant hick whenever he says "boy."

That comparison was hilarious, and I added to that with a nice sarcastic post. It even had a huge satirical image in it. That you could not have possibly missed unless you were blind.



It wasn't sarcasm. It was a non-malicious example of a straw man. The point is that I didn't make a big deal out of it.

You on the other hand are, and have been so fixated on this that you decided to restart this argument many hours later.



You're not just missing my sarcasm here. You're pretending that it's not even there when you know that it is. When it clearly was, and was clarified as such by yours truly.



You are thick, and I don't need any more evidence than the fact you decided to restart this argument over something you already got an answer for.



What you're doing right now is pathetic, reaching for something that isn't even there, and borders on a pathology.



I am not who is fixated on something that was obviously sarcasm, and was clarified to be sarcasm.



I never claimed that you did. I was saying that you were overeating, and that unlike you I let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Apparently you're not capable of showing me the same courtesy.

Which makes this far worse than what I did. Which was harmless, and not at all malicious or willfully ignorant.



I am thick to believe what?

This is objective fact. You are overreacting despite knowing that you're wrong, and being proven wrong by the person you are claiming the intent for.

The only way this works is if you are actually me, and can say without a shadow of a doubt what my intent was.



I didn't need to ask you. I clarified what he actually meant, and then waited for your response before making my final judgment. Clarifying that I was "just making sure" before you even responded to me.



That's not what I was even conceding, and you know that. This is just giving me more to use against you in the future. As I now have evidence that you don't care about what a person is actually saying or what their obvious intent is, and are willing to drag out a discussion on it for an entire freaking day.

Just to assuage your ego because you can't handle being wrong about anything.

Originally posted by Sharivan
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Just to assuage your ego because you can't handle being wrong about anything. Bingo!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't use bios. That was just to show you how bios show surfer in speed.



Are you simply here for flaming and trolling? If you want to get into flame war, come to herochat. I'll let you know what a true flame war is.





You are the one who is calling me mentally ill and now apparently a slave owner and "I'm acting like an overgrown manchild."?

Are you seriously this dense?





I don't give a shit about what you think about me boy. Keep your respect to yourself.





Yes, are you sure you can read? At all?





You are using that as a stock catchphrase since you started here kid. Nobody cares what you think you have.



Who gives a shit?





I haven't reported you yet for bashing me in every post you make. This is the last time I'm doing so.



If you can't follow a civil discussion, get out of this thread.





No, I am listening. Just that they are all nonsense. That's how I know. By reading your arguments.





You are quite fond of using that.





Noody is forcing anything on you kid. You are trying to get the last word by posting long posts.

I'm just returning the favor. By interest.



Thou art just dense.







And that's enough bashing. You are too emotionally invested in this it seems.

I call you a kid or boy because you are acting like a 5 year old petulant child.



Shut up already with your nonsense.





You have used quite a time bitching about that. Yet, I see nothing but nonsense in evry post. Where are your proofs?



Again with the bashing? Are you just trying to get a rise from me when you can't prove anything you said?





Of course. What kind of scan do you require?



Some internet warrior you are.





If you are engaging with me, you have no other choice.



No, these are defined by the comics themselves. You and me don't matter in this context. Versus boards don't matter either.



No, you didn't.



Of course they do. That's why Flash is calle the fastest man alive. You didn't created that phrase.





How amusing.



Of course I do. Do you?



Pardon me, I don't give a shit about WHAT you think is necessary for speed. TV tropes logic don't work here boy.



That's not combat speed anymore than a pilot using complex maneuvers on his plane at more than mach speed has faster than sound reflexes.

Think it through. Or don't. Nobody cares.





Nope. I'm just using what's in the comics. You clearly don't. You are using your own logic despite what the comics are telling us because "comics are inconsistent and only you can decide what's right and what's not."



You are posting outliers as averages of the characters. Pick a random 100 comics of Thor or Surfer and point out how many times they use superspeed in a fight.

You will know why I don't call them a speedster.





And why should I care about whatever you and others think?





Excellent logic. Mind telling me where that happened?





For that you will need a functioning brain.



Excellent logic again.





Of course you did.



Popular fallacy again? Tsk, Tsk.



Of course I am. You are using "vomit" a lot for some reason.





Yes, anything you don't like is garbage writing. Excellent logic again.





The what are you doing here? Get out of here.



Why? Neither Thor nor Surfer can stomp either here. I'm not pitting Flash against them here.





Here comes the irony. Just a few days of arguing and you have called me everything from a psychopath to a slave owner and I'm emotionally invested in this?

Kid, you are a piece of work.



Of course you did. Your entire argument is "How dare you, a superman fanboy question the speed of Thor and SIlver surfer.'





I only care about what's in the comics. Let me see what comics Breevort wrote those words in.



No, that isn't. You can destroy a planet and if someone comes along and break your arms and leave you broken, they are stronger than you. You can outrun a bullet and then someone comes and outruns you, they are faster than you.

Even if they don't destroy a planet or outrun a bullet.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And yet he gets shot by bullets. Are these supposed to be contradictory?

You must be from the camp where it is demeaning to get shot by bullets?

Here you go, Lobo gets shot in a comic where he gets beat on by Superman too.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016043_DC1st_Superman_Lobo_01-19.jpg


http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016031_LobovsSupermanDC.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016032_LobovsSupermanDC-2.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016033_LobovsSupermanDC-3.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016034_LobovsSupermanDC-4.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016035_LobovsSupermanDC-5.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016036_LobovsSupermanDC-6.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29016037_LobovsSupermanDC-7.jpg



Tell that to the comic writers. Your logic is again based on real life science and hence worthless.

You don't get to dictate what should and shouldn't happen in the comics.



Majority of the times they do. That's what matters.





I don't ignore anything in the comics. You don't like comics, you like feats.

If you liked comics you will not try to find flaws within a fantasy genre which by its nature is nonsensical.

These characters don't exist kid.



They are more consistent than you think.



Of course that's rubbish. You think only you know about these characters and only versus forums can see what the characters are capable of?

GTFO with this shit.





Which is exactly what you are doing.



No, I'm always right because I am arguin comic book logic.



How amusing.





Running speed IS combat speed. You can't be faster than light in reflexes and unable to run at even Mach 1.

But as you are not interested in thread topic, how about you get out of it?



Whine some more. See if anyone cares.





You are inconsistent in everything. First you want to apply real life science in comics and then you also use comic book logic where its convenient. Stick to one logic.



But Daredevil's nanosecond feat is discarded because he didn't oved in it. Yet Surfer's mental processing feat is a speed feat.

Desaad's nanosecond feat isn't even acknowledged. How about Iron Man's picosecond feat?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg



Would you?





No, they don't. Simple as that.

You are basically whining why comics don't play by your rules. That's not how debating works kid.

So, yet more multiple long posts nearly an entire day since our last conversation and you have the nerve to try to say I am trying to get the last word in?

You are so desperate it is pathetic. Yet again you use an example that highlights how inconsistent comic books are by showing Lobo punch Superman without splattering his own arm. Despite the fact what is supposed to happen when you hit something, and you're not superhumanly durable? Is that you get phucked up.

That didn't happen with Lobo punched Superman, and it didn't happen Superman beat on him.

Yet, bullets were somehow able to do it. By your own logic that means those normal bullets are able to hit harder than both Lobo and Superman. After all, they could do way more serious damage than their punches could!

Yes, I have argued in favor of Superman before. You would known this if you paid attention to any of the times I did in other threads.

No, there is no universal comic book logic. It is so incredibly inconsistent that's it is not even funny. It has no standardized norms. They are defied constantly.

A fine example is the Midnighter who if we follow your train would mean he is able to hit far harder than thermonuclear weapons. After all, he could destroy Apollo's ear drums when explosions big enough to destroy country sized space stations couldn't.

This is what I am talking about. It so egregiously inconsistent that basing your arguments entirely on fights is one of the most dishonest ways to argue about comic books. It has no internal consistency.

Also, you're missing the point with Tom Brevoort. I was referring to how you were being a hypocrite, and relying on things outside of comic books.

Such as author intent, contradictory author statments, and databooks. Then you have the gall to say you just use material in the comic books themselves when you don't.

You use your own freaking fantasies, and fan-fiction that is so hilariously inconsistent that you can change the rules for it whatever you want. This is how you cheat in debate.

You go by different standards and flip flop at a moment's notice. Shifting through countless goal posts, and don't even holding yourself to the same standards.

Don't pretend you wouldn't be all over it if I started analyzing Superman's nanosecond feats, and gave you the accurate numbers for how impressive it is.

You even ask if I would? As if you are so suspicious of my intent here. I don't have a bias against Superman. I know for fact he is probably hundreds of times the speed of light as of New 52 and then some in terms of travel speed. If you go by his comparisons with the Flash he may have even femtosecond combat speed. Which would be quadrillions of times the speed of light.

This paranoa is yet more evidence of your clearly set in stone biases you have built up over the years. You think everyone is out to get you. You think everyone is trying to undermine Superman.

So, why not treat them the same way? After all, it is inevitable as far as you are concerned.

You need professional help, and this time I am not joking.

What happened to you that made you so obsessed? I am genuinely curious now.

Jesus freaking Christ.

Your long post are so stupidly long that I can't even reply to them normally, and have to use the quick quote function.

I can't even edit my own posts for typos now even within the fifteen time limit.

This is objective proof that if anyone is trying to get the last word in, and fill entire pages full of text it's you.

Originally posted by Sharivan
So, yet more multiple long posts nearly an entire day since our last conversation and you have the nerve to try to say I am trying to get the last word in?

Yes, I like long posts. Don't you?



Yes, he is not bulletproof yet durable enough to tank blunt force damage.

Is this supposed to somehow show comics are inconsistent because they don't follow your rules?



Yes, blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. Ask Wonder Woman. Or Hulk.



Or blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. There is a reason invulnerability and durability are differet in comics.



I'm not sure if you argue for Superman or because you find his feats from respect threads and post it when someone doesn't follow yyour own logic.



No, they aren't. Lobo doesn't suddenly become bulletproof. Neither does Wonder Woman.



Or the writer doesn't takes that one instance as Apollo's sole measurement of durability.



It is the sole criteria kid. Nothing else matters. Keep your calculations at OBD.



I never relied on anything outside comics.



I'm using only comics here kid. Author intent only matters when its in the comics.



Nice strawman logic kid. Anything else?



Nope, never happened. You could accuse me till you are blue in the face and I wouldn't care.



Go ahead kid. I don't go by numbers. Its not math.



But he is not that fast. You are too absorbed in your own logic kid.



No, I don't think so. You are free to accuse me whatever you want to. Don't hold your breath if you think any of that matters to me.



Because at average they are not the same.



Again with the bashing? Reported. Don't say I didn't give you a warning.



You are the one obssessed with the last word here kid. Do you have OCD?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Jesus freaking Christ.

Your long post are so stupidly long that I can't even reply to them normally, and have to use the quick quote function.

I can't even edit my own posts for typos now even within the fifteen time limit.

This is objective proof that if anyone is trying to get the last word in, and fill entire pages full of text it's you.
I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine to you. Now tell me how many quadrillions of time faster than light Iron Man is.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine to you. Now tell me how many quadrillions of time faster than light Iron Man is.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Nice speed ft. Reminds me of that speed showing you use for Superman when he tells us he is going to punch someone within a femto second.

Originally posted by carver9
Nice speed ft. Reminds me of that speed showing you use for Superman when he tells us he is going to punch someone within a femto second.
And he did exactly that.

Tell us more about how Thor eats mjolnir.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I like long posts. Don't you?

No, I don't. It's tedious and turns this from an amusing hobby into a second occupation.



These are not my rules. These are the rules set forth by reality itself which you seem to be unable to wrap your head around.

This is not my personal opinion, and this is not what I think.

The reason I apply them in certain cases for comic books is because it's the only objective way to judge them. Otherwise, you have to rely on arbitrary inconsistencies. That are in no way uniformed nor make any sense.

If you can survive a nuke to the face you sure as hell can't be cut by a knife.



Yes, it does and it's on the writers being unable to recognize that. If they do it'd their fault, and they should be dismissed. As with durability it extends to all types of physical trauma.

Blunt, cutting, and anything regarding kinetic energy.



No, they're not.

That's your personal opinion, and of which is not universally supported by comic books. Due to how inconsistent they are. The writers don't universally all agree with each other. If anything they're at each other's throats half the time.



It's literally one of the reasons I was banned from CBR.

I argue for Superman when what I know supports his victory. I argue against him when what I know doesn't.

It's called being an objective debater.

Again with the respect threads when you have been ripping junk from comicvine even on this very page?

I read Superman comics. I haven't read them all. I doubt many people have but I use what I do know.



By logic and reasoning they should be. It doesn't make any sense for people who can survive thermonuclear weapons to be bothered by normal knives or bullets.

The latter example is especially unusual since bullets aren't even sharp most of the time. They're round or buckshot which are pellets. That would count under blunt damage.

That's how idiotic it is.

"They're resistant against blunt damage--but, oh wait. They're susceptible to blunt damage."

It's the difference between a punch and a palm strike.



Are you seriously going to argue that Apollo is that squishy now?

This isn't the only time Midnighter fights people who should be able to cream him with a punch yet they don't.

He's notorious for doing this.



Says who?

You're the one trying to force this subjective opinion of yours down my throat.



Yes, everything else matters. You don't get to ignore everything outside of their fights with other characters.



So, you don't want me to give you a way to actually use Superman's feats? As you can't use them without establishing what they actually mean or at least by having a vague understanding of that.

Which you don't have.



A blatant lie.

You have relied on the same things I have. If you don't then that must mean you ignore when Superman survived being a black hole. After all, it's not a showing against another character. It's just him surviving something.

You see, that's what I mean. You have no uniformed standards. You change at a moment's notice in order to support Superman in any way.



Yet another lie. You used a databook. You tried to say the writers universally agree with your subjective opinions, and you tried to flip flop between what kind of feats are acceptable.

You just said a femtosecond feat was acceptable for Superman when Carver replied to you.



Thst is not a straw man. That was me illustrating what is wrong with your thought process. You can change your standards whenever you want. This allows you to use whatever you want, whenever you want. You are a shameless bastard.



It doesn't matter if you care or not. Your opinion has no place here. It's only the facts that matter. This is what you're not understanding.



Yes, it is. When using distance and time in order to get speed. That is basic math.



Yes, he actually is. Now lets use your "logic," and combine it with mine.

Superman was able to tag the Flash.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/uOwC9.jpg

The Flash is able to instinctively dodge threats within femtoseconds.

http://i.imgur.com/m0yUWi7.jpg

This means Superman moved within that time-frame.



I don't care if it matters to you or not. The fact of the matter is that this is your problem, and I think you seek help for it or at the very least you need to take a breather.

This is not something you should be so high strung about.



That's not even what I was saying there. I wasn't saying they were the same as Superman or whatever.

I was illustrating your thought processes regarding this. That you think people are out to undermine Superman. So, you premptively undermine any characters that are usually matched up against him.

So, you treat them the same as you would imagine they will treat you and Superman.



That wasn't me bashing you. I have genuine concern for your mental health right now. I was just poking at you before but you have an actual problem.



I am not the one making consecutive long posts that break the forums character limit every seventeen hours after we finish our arguments. You keep digging this up.

It's not me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine to you.

This is not what I am doing.

I am not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I am not restarting this argument every seventeen hours with consecutive long posts. I am not plugging my ears with wax, and refusing to actually use any kind of reasoning ability.

That's what you're doing, and have been doing for the last couple days.



Iron Man isn't even attacking someone or moving to some specific spot. This is yet another processing instance. Just like Daredevil's which you posted earlier.

Also, even it was that case you don't get quadrillions of times the speed of light out of a picosecond easily. You would have to move an obscene distance.

Whereas just moving a foot within a femtosecond is three-hundred quadrillion times the speed of light.



As I already noted this is yet another processing instance. Iron Man does not act within a picosecond here. It's even explicitly described as some kind of processing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he did exactly that.

Are you for real?

That instance is as valid as any I brought up for Silver Surfer and Thor.

How can you seriously not consider yourself a hypocrite right now?

You even just said you don't use numbers or basic math? How do you even apply it if you refuse to understand it?

Do you apply some arbitrary nonexistent meaning to it? Do you just guess?



I heard Carver was a known Hulk fanboy but from what I have seen he is nowhere near as bad as you, and capable of being objective when he needs to be.

He seems to have really changed for the better, and isn't the same as he used to be.

I can respect that.

@Sharivan

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. It has no weight on my arguments.

Are you sure you can comprehend something?
This guy will never get it.
facepalm

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This guy will never get it.
facepalm

Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight.


I have nothing against someone who uses or refers to bios/handbooks to help support their stance, but to ridicule others who do while claiming they never use them(but uses them all the time) is hypocrisy of the worst kind. Even worse is this fool used bios in a battlezone.

abhidur

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, I don't. It's tedious and turns this from an amusing hobby into a second occupation.

But of course you do love long posts. That's what happened here.





Not in comics. Comics play by their own rules.



It makes no sense because it is a fantasy medium and even slightest application of real life science would unravel it.

You can either chose to use full real life science or not use it at all. It can't be in between.





Sorry, your words don't supersede anything in comics. We are in a comic vs forum and comics rule it.





It is universally supported. Superman is invulnerable. Someone like Thor isn't.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2014040822210175&att=MT409_03.jpg&fullsize=yes

It matters nothing what you think should happen in the comics.





Am I supposed to feel sympathy for you?



Yes, because I'm lazy. Not because I know nothing about the actual characters and start posting every link in the surfer respect thread on reddit like you did.



Well, I have.





It is what it is. Don't try to use real world logic in it.



Comics don't take that route. So there you go.



Why don't you write your own smart comics then?



No, it is not.





No, just that one high end feat doesn't denotes his durability anymore than getting overpowered by horses means he is that weak.



He is that skilled.



Most street levelers do that.





I do. And comics.





Enough rant about objective/subjective BS, alright? I'm not forcing you to accept anything.





No, I don't. But only the fights matter in assessing them.





We know he is very strong, very fast and very durable. That's enough to establish his power level.



Haha, really?





Yes, I don't use Superman surviving a black hole as a durability feat in fights. Or that nothing below black hole level power can hurt him.



In your head?





I used a bio to show you how Marvel views the character.

Not that it is non canon or anything.



Because Superman actually acted in that time frame. And he has an established history of superspeed. He is not Ares and Nate Grey.





Bashing again, eh? I'd report you but that's not necessary right now.





Of course they do. I'm basing all this on comics. Not your random "objective facts."





Not in comics, it isn't that simple.





No, it isn't. It just shows Flash can react within femtoseconds. Not that he always does that. Unless Flash does that against Superman, it can't be attributed to Superman.





Nobody is needed help here but you.



Neither should you be.





Of course you were saying the same.



And why am I opposing you giving Superman femtosecond feats all of a sudden in that case?



That's some serious nonsense.

Yes, you were. And no, I didn't actually report you. Have fun in the meantime though.





That's so funny in the hindsight.



Of course it is.





Thou doth protest too much.


So many negatives.



Projection.





Yes, he is. He is physically searching for data. Extremis was bonded to his nervous system.



So how fast was he?



Oh really?





Nope, read again.





Last I checked, yes.



No, it isn't. Surfer and Thor do not have the history of superspeed Superman has.



No, I take the character's history as a whole. Flash saying he operated in a nanosecond is far more believable than Quasar working in a nanosecond.





Wait until you read this.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=15235347#post15235347

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This guy will never get it.
facepalm Originally posted by Sharivan
Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight. Originally posted by celeyhyga17


I have nothing against someone who uses or refers to bios/handbooks to help support their stance, but to ridicule others who do while claiming they never use them(but uses them all the time) is hypocrisy of the worst kind. Even worse is this fool used bios in a battlezone.

abhidur
You guys finished jerking off to each other?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you were. And no, I didn't actually report you. Have fun in the meantime though.


So, you decided to do this yet again in order to get the last word in? Not only that but you did this after I was banned so I couldn't reply back to you.

I understand what this is now.

You're a coward.



Who here was so cowardly that they decided to get the last word in after someone was banned?



No, it's really not.

You don't even sound convinced of it.



Now you can't even come up with a proper comeback so you're copying me now.



This coming from the guy habitually uses red herrings, double standards, and outright ignores what is happening in a story. Who refuses to understand the difference between seeing, processing, and actually moving within a timeframe?



Ad nauseam.



No, he isn't and you're blatantly refusing to acknowledge that.



Then why isn't he moving at all in those scans that you provided, and just waiting for the data to process?



He wasn't moving at all so there's nothing to quantify.



Yes, really.



As I already clarified you are lying through your teeth.




Then you are very, very sad man.



Yes, it is. As I already showed you there are many instances where they display clearly superhuman reflexes. It doesn't matter what their powerset is. What matters is what they have done.



Arguing from belief, and showing a clear bias based on established limitations. When comic book writers are as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Again rely on what they are, and not what they have actually done.

By that logic since Batman is a peak human being as establish many times by writers saying that he is?

Then that means that Superman is so blind and deaf he can't even find someone who has no specific metahuman abilities that lets them hide from him.

This is consistent too. It happens not only when Superman is involved but other metahumans are as well.

Not that it makes sense at all mind you, and it is the writers exaggerating Batman's stealth abilities to the point of insanity.



I don't care about something he said a freaking year ago but apparently you do. Which again proves my point about you fixating on things that happened a long time ago.

You really want the last word so badly, don't you?

Originally posted by Sharivan
So, you decided to do this yet again in order to get the last word in? Not only that but you did this after I was banned so I couldn't reply back to you.

Yep, should I be ashamed about it? Poor you.



Yet, here you are.



Way to go. Call me some more names tough guy.





Everyone who doesn't gets banned?





Of course it is.



Now you are a telepath too?





Haha, right.





Some more nonsense. Way to go again.





Again.





Of course he is. Just because you said something doesn't means its a fact.





He is physically accessing all the data. He doesn't has to move to do that.





He was physically accessing all the data. Extremis was his nervous system. Its literally his reaction time.





Ooh, what a witty comeback.





I clarify your clarification and found it to be total shit. Whatcha gonna do?






No sadder than you though.





No, it really doesn't. They don't have superspeed. Their isolated instances of showing reflexes don't mean they have superspeed.





Then write your own comics and argue about those.



That's how it is kid.



Yes, he is a peak human only. Just like Captain America.



Or Batman is just that skilled.

Its a fantasy world, it doesn't follow your strict laws of physics.



So what?



So he has that level of skills. You don't get to say he doesn't because it violates your logic. Comics don't work that way.





He will say that again.

People don't change kid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You really want the last word so badly, don't you?

No, you see you're the one doing that. You add nothing of substance to an argument. You have no uniformed standards, and change them whenever it suits you. You're the one who decided to respond to my post after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

You even admit that you disagree with me on principle, and for no other reason besides that.



So, you're admitting that you're an underhanded coward? You're not helping your stance here.



I would have replied sooner if I wasn't banned. Yet, going by what Endless Mike told me you didn't get any punishment at all for your behavior.



This is an objective fact. You chose to respond when my ability to do so myself was taken from me.



You specifically replied to me when I was banned. This wasn't done once but twice. The second time where you claimed celeyhyga17 and myself were "jerking each other off?"

Yet, you're complaining about being called out for what you are? You're saying I am the one acting as if they are a "tough guy?"



Ad nauseam once again with no counter argument.



You're basically going "no, you" right now and have admitted in this very thread that you're only arguing against me because of a bias you have.




Yes, literally. I was the first one who said "thou doth protest too much," and then you repeated what I said twice. One time incorrectly, and another time here.



Yet again you have not a single constructive argument to show here.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

You do know what the logical fallacies are, right?



Just because you ignore what we see happen in the scan itself, and try to say he is moving when he is clearly not? Does not mean that he is.




What you said here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I suppose you actually mean "psychically" and and not "physically" which supports my side of the argument not yours. As that shows he is not actually moving. He is just thinking.



Again this does not make any sense whatsoever. He is not moving here. He is merely accessing and processing data. Which has nothing to with reactions or reflexes as that entails moving your body within a certain timeframe not your mind.




That wasn't even supposed to be a "witty comeback" I was just noting once again that you are wrong.



Now you're just being an obnoxious manchild, and are barely even using the words I have correctly.

The only one who is full of shit here is you.



So, you're admitting that you're a sad and pathetic individual?



Yes, it really does. What the writers say plays second fiddle to what is said or seen in a story. If we see that the writers are clearly wrong, have forgotten something or contradict themselves it's up to us to point that out.



Why don't you go ahead and prove that all comic books in the history of ever work according to an arbitrary set of standards that you constantly change?



Have you seen death abhilegend? Have you see people choke on their own spittle as their liver fails as a result of cancer? Have you held their hands as they leave this world? Have you cared for them until the very end?

I am no kid.

The fact that you say otherwise is proof that you know nothing about me.



Oh great, so you're one of those types? If it's not in their powerset you ignore all their blatantly superhuman abilities? You ignore every feat?

Good to know.



Show me when and how Batman learned a technique that lets him hide from every visible spectrum, and completely conceals the sounds his body makes. Down to his blood flowing through his veins.



It doesn't adhere to any sort of rules, and this is something you critique based on an individual basis. No single comic book is going to have the same standards, and treat things the same way.

I already mentioned Luther Strode. Despite being a comic book it adheres to the laws of physics in its own way.

It acknowledges that having superhuman strength means having increased muscle density and being heavier than normal.

Here we see it acknowledge that throwing somebody by their shirt doesn't always work because of the person's weight.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #3

http://i.imgur.com/CO9agRt.jpg

Here we see Luther Strode destroy a car just by landing onto it.

The Legacy of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/gyGeTjf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ENpe92w.jpg

Then there's the fact his increased muscle density means that his muscles are bullet proof.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/lzLZhyv.jpg



I was referring to the fact you are talking about consistency, and that by your own logic that means Superman can't detect Batman.

Which is retarded. It has no explanation. There is no elaborate technique or supernatural affinity behind it. A peak human being can hide from Superman for no reason?

That doesn't make sense.



How about showing me when Batman learned how to hide from every visible spectrum, and freeze all of his bodily functions without dying or going into a coma.



Straw man.

That's not what I was saying. What I was saying was that this an instance of PIS/CIS.



Comic books do not work in any way, and each series adheres to its own specific rules. Yet, you're trying instead to say that they universally follow the same rules as each other. When they don't.



Yes, they do.

I have seen murderers become decent human beings. Who sincerely regret what they have done. If people that bad can change why not some nerd about an opinion they had on the internet a year ago?

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, you see you're the one doing that. You add nothing of substance to an argument. You have no uniformed standards, and change them whenever it suits you. You're the one who decided to respond to my post after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

Projecting your own obsessiveness on me wouldn't help you kid.

You were banned for a week, you could've let it go easily. But you didn't. I'm just letting you taste your own medicine for a change.




No, I informed you that I am replying to you to teach you manners and disagree on principle alone.

This doesn't has to do anything with principle or anything.





I'm not sure what bashing me more will accomplish you here but getting banned again.

Its your move kid. Keep calling me names and coward as if I care for what you say.





What behavior? I'm talking peacefully here. You are the one who is throwing tantrums after tantrums.

What sin have I committed for which I have to be punished? Not letting you get the last word? Adhering to comics and not your rules?



This is an objective fact. You chose to respond when my ability to do so myself was taken from me.

So what? Are you going to report for me that? Or are you trying to get me to say sorry to you?





Yes, I did. What are you going to do except repeating it again and again?



Yes, because you are acting like one. I didn't reply to you for acting like a tough guy "How dare he reply to me while I'm banned".







All counter arguments have been presented. You have just discarded them because "They don't make no sense and writers are idiots."

Fine logic as always.



You are imagining things now. Not a good start kid.

Don't let me tell you what you've done so far. Its not pretty.






So? Did you copywrite the line so I can't use it?





Of course I do. You are just too blind to see it.





Yes, that's what your whole argument is.





Extremis is his nervous system kid. He is accessing it through the Extremis and physically accessing it.

Its not a processing feat. No matter how many times you say it.






You are even more blind than what I thought possible.

No I said physically. Learn to read.

He doesn't has to move to control his nervous system aka Extremis. He is accessing data physically.

He is not thinking. Get it in your thick skull.



Again this does not make any sense whatsoever. He is not moving here. He is merely accessing and processing data. Which has nothing to with reactions or reflexes as that entails moving your body within a certain timeframe not your mind.

Now who is repeating himself ad nauseam, eh?

He is using his nervous system kid. Why is not that registering with you?






Nope, not even a little bit.





Oh, call me some more names. That's certainly going to help.



"No you" is certainly a great argument.





Do you just live to get ridiculed? Because this is as laughable comeback as I've ever seen.





No, it doesn't. Never does nor has.

You are supplanting your own ideas on someone else's work.

That's never gonna fly here. Go back to narutoforums and make some more calculations.





I'm only following what's in the comics. These aren't my rules. These are defined by the comics themselves.

And I'm gonna take that against your silly rules any time.





You've gone too far kid. This much emotional outrage on an argument on internet is not healthy.



Then stop acting like one. You can't force your opinion on someone and throw tantrums and calling them names when they disagree with you.

This could've been avoided if you could've just disagreed with me. I would've let it go and didn' even thought about replying to you.

But you went ahead and acted like I attacked you personally and made it a matter of ego.

You act like a dick? Don't expect me to play nice.



I don't. Nor do I care to know. I just know you are an emotionally repressed individual who lashes out against anyone who disagrees with him. Just from your replies.

I have no personal beef with you.





If they are as rare as getting one speed feat per decade? Yes.

Averages count kid.



Yes, me too.





Anytime he hid from Superman, you see that technique.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't means its not there.

You are just using a circular logic "Batman can't do that, so those don't count." as a means to disregard all those showings.

That's not how it works kid.







Of course not. But there are general rules to any fantasy genre.

You can't apply real life logic to fantasy worlds. If a fantasy world says the beings are vulnerable to bullets but can take planet shattering force, then that's what that is true.

You don't get to diregard that because that's impossible by real life standards.

Then that's what peak humans in that world are capable of. You are acting like the creator is comparing real life peak humans when he is calling Luthor Strode a peak human.

I'd like to know where he called him a peak human though. If its outside comics, of course it doesn't counts if its not mentioned in the comic itself.





Yes, if that happens in the comics, sure.

How is that a knock on Superman?



Except he is as skilled as to do that and has gadgets that can supress his vital signs.

Its not as retarded as you think.





That must be your catchphrase by now.





He has gadgets for that.

Shocker I know.










No, they are not.





Of course they work. Disregarding every comic book and applying your own logic doesn't.

How does they don't? Because a few outliers scene violate that logic and you assume every comic doesn't makes sense?

Real brilliance right there.



No, they don't.



Because he hasn't changed a bit.

Enough strwaman though. Post a single scan of Thor or Surfer running as the thread is about surfer and Thor running a race.

I'm going to cut short your replies from now on for any off topic nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Pray tell, who is the one who derailed that last thread with a different topic entirely? Who was the one who dug up a year old thread to bait someone else into an argument. Who replies by every seventeen or so hours, as if they are on a schedule?

You're the one who keeps on replying. You're the one who keeps on trying to get the last word in. Then you had the nerve to try it again after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

Hoping that I would let you have that pyrrhic victory.

No, that would be your over active imagination attributing traits to me that do not exist. You're the only one who has been doing this.

You do know that respect is earned not given? You want my respect so badly?

You know what? I will humor you. You want me to treat you respectfully?

You have to drop your double standards, start treating others with respect, and drop the pretenses. You have to stop arguing for no reason at all. You have to accept that some people out there are not going to like you.

You literally just admitted that it does in the part of this post right before this one.

I am not bashing you here. When I said that you replied in a way that admitted that was the case, and that my initial claim about you was correct.

You're specifically doing this because I am not showing you proper etiquette. This is about me not showing you respect, and you wanting it.

Don't feign ignorance.

Okay, lets see. You broke the board rules regarding author statements and data-books. Then you pretended that you didn't even do so when you explicitly did. You're denying that you don't have double standards even when you do.

You're using logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

You're saying that you're not doing something even when you admit that you are in the same breath.

You debate entirely based on bias. You disagree on principle even when you have no reason to disagree. You treat others with disrespect, and bias based on things they have done years ago. Such as with Carver.

Despite that you want respect yourself. When you have behaved in no way that would allow you to earn it.

It proves my point about you being a coward. This is a debate we're having. That's what this is about.

You're the one who is doing this as we speak and sounding like a broken record in the process.

That's not being a tough guy. That was me calling you out on your positively pathetic behavior. You honestly expect someone would let that stand?

None of which actually make sense, and of which I have already rebuked several times over. Which you have only rehashed in your ad nauseam.

You're repeating your same broken points but are only adding a different pinch of seasoning to them at best.

On top of the red herrings, and straw mans.

There exists an actual ruling against using author statements and anything similar. The writers are idiots, and yes what they say doesn't make sense.

Yes, it is. Thank you for agreeing with me.

I accept your concession.

You're the one in perpetual denial about your own motives regarding this.

Okay, so you make this about attacks on each other's character? Alright then, I have already listed your mistakes.

They're far uglier then any I have ever made.

No, I was merely pointing out your unoriginality and your ad nauseam.

No, it's that I do not buy into the ramblings of an obsessive troglodyte.

Now who is the one who is projecting?

You're saying that I am doing what you're doing? I haven't used any red herrings. I haven't used any double standards. I haven't used any straw men.

That's the same as saying a computer's ability to transfer and process information between other computers is not a processing feat but instead a reflex feat usable in combat.

Your personal opinion about it does not matter here. The fact is this is an instance of processing information, and it's not used to move anywhere.

How was that blind? I merely noted that the terminology you used makes no sense there. He is not actually moving. He is thinking, and extremis does the rest.

I do know how to read, and what you said there makes positively no sense. Which why I asked whether you used the wrong word because it was idiotic otherwise.

That is exactly my point. He wasn't moving. In order for this to be speed there needs to be actual movement.

If he is not thinking or moving how is he making extremis do any of that?

Only because you are refusing to listen to reason, and have to be reminded of that constantly.

Which means that he is not moving. Which means this is different. That it is processing speed, and not movement speed.

He is not moving to some specific spot or attacking someone.

Oh no, you're wrong. As I already made note of several times.

Who was the one calling me blind again? Who was the one who said I was jerking someone off?

Oh, that's right. You're the one.

Ad nauseam once again for the sake of a circular debate.

No, as far as I know that's you on practically every forum that you got kicked out of because of this behavior of yours.

Yes it does. Always has and always will.

Whatever they say outside of a story does not carry more weight than what is actually said in a story or seen in a story.

No, you're not. You brought up a databook, and even attempted to say they held more sway than what we see in the stories in the very post.

They are your rules which you apply in whatever way that you see fit.

Comic books do not follow any kind of universal rulings. They are so inconsistent that their rulings are all over the place.

They're the standards and norms held within every form of debate. I have nothing to do with them.

Do you honestly hear yourself you're a caricature of your own personality at this point. This just you wanting to get back at me for calling you crazy earlier.

Which you are by the way. Your fixation truly knows no bounds.

You're going to dodge the question then? I was right you are a coward. Come on it's nothing strange. We have all seen death. You must have.

We're both nerds on an internet forum talking about fictional characters. This has nothing to do with "being a kid" and has more to do with "being a weirdo."

You mean what you do every day of your life?

https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3171/1125/original.gif

I am a dick but at least I am honest about it.

Unlike you.

You who expect others to give you a curtsy that you do not extend to them.

They are not as rare as you think they are. As I have already proven pages ago. Which you dismissed based on imagined inconsistencies.

Your rhetoric doesn't average out.

There is no technique that allows Batman to hide from every visible spectrum, and completely conceal all of his bodily functions.

You're the one who is trying to say it's there when it's not.

You are the one using circular logic right now. Yes, we can disregard it when it makes positively no sense for Batman to accomplish this.

There are no general rules in any genre as that would require every writer to be consistent with each other which they're not.

If a character who can survive the destruction of an entire planet is hurt by a normal handgun I have every right to ignore it. Since it's one of the most egregious examples of plot induced stupidity.

I get to disregard it because it doesn't even make sense within any kind of standard. It's pure nonsense within nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
-snip-

No, Justin Jordan used a specific real life incriminate and said they were about twice peak human by our standards which is contradicted by what is said and seen in the Luther Strode trilogy.

You went out of your complaining about how I didn't adhere to author statements or give them any credit. Yet, now you're back-peddling out of that and saying that what happens in the story matters. When before you said otherwise. Often interchangeably with this.

As I already noted your standards are nonexistent, and you change them whenever it conveniences your side of the argument.

It is a knock on Superman because the vast majority of the times Batman does this there is no excuse. He doesn't use his gadgets or his special suits. He does it anyway without them.

Show my any technique that allows Batman to disappear from every visible spectrum, and hide every single one of his biological functions.

He literally does not use these gadgets most of the time, and the most he ever had was a heart monitor. It didn't hide the rest of his biological functions. He also has a suit specifically made for hiding from pretty much every visible spectrum but almost never uses it. That's post flash point. Whereas the heart monitor was pre flash point. He never had or used both at the same, and for most of this instances where managed to hide from Superman he was using his standard equipment.

These rules do not work universally, and requires you to assume every writer agrees with each other. That there are no inconsistencies in comic books when they are. That this has been uniformed throughout every comic book in existence. Which is impossible to prove, and not true.

People change.

I don't know Carver seems much better than he was a long time ago. I can't say the same about you.

This is a sham. You made this thread to begin with out of spite, and you dug it in order to bait me into this ridiculousness. You're focusing on running speed because you think that since they can't run long distances it means they can't move quickly in combat. Despite you differentiating between running speed and attack speed yourself, and then flip flopping back into saying you need to be able to run long distances really fast in order to have any kind of super-speed. Which is not true.

oh my god what the **** are you guys even arguing about

Originally posted by Sharivan
-snip-

Like I said, I wouldn't reply to any of your nonsense until you get back on topic. I can, but at this point I know its of no use.

So get back at topic or try to get the last word again.

Your choice.

Bump

Abhiligend has been ruining threads for 6 years. Pretty impressive streak. Even Whirly was reformed.

You're still a whiny idiot for these many years?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second. What have you been smoking Carver? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Thor swallows a hammer and SS "absorbs" the board up his butt.

Sin is finally getting a hold on Carver

You are missed.