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-Round 1-

Rick + Alexandria:
http://i.imgur.com/3UoAb7Lm.jpg

VS.

Ezekiel + The Kingdom:
http://i.imgur.com/hDiQlrlm.jpg

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-Round 2-

The Governor + Woodbury:
http://i.imgur.com/ZcmtKo1m.jpg

VS.

Alpha + The Whisperers:
http://i.imgur.com/OMbvrllm.jpg

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-Round 3-

Negan + The Saviors:
http://i.imgur.com/6dFJMSSm.jpg

VS.

Maggie + Hilltop:
http://i.imgur.com/jWf5OeKm.jpg

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-Round 4-

ALL. OUT. WAR.


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*Stips*
-Comic versions.
-1 month of prep.
-Outside variables(ie. Walkers) are still in play.
-The winner of each Round acquires ALL the remaining resources of the Community they conquered.
-The final Round entails the winners of the first 3 Rounds waging all out war against one another, after an additional 1 month reorganization period. Only the strongest Community survives!
-In the spirit of fairness, lets assume each Community starts off with 200 members.


Which Community/Leadership is left standing in this new world?

1) Alexandria

2) From what we've seen so far the whisperers don't have too many firearms, so Woodbury for now.

3) The saviors.

Final round: The saviors because of grenades and mucked up weapons.

Do you think Alpha would unleash her deus ex machina Walker-horde on Woodbury?

I didn't read the part where you said outside forces were still at play, my bad.

It would be a better fight for sure, but I don't think the whisperers have an answer to the tank tbh.

*If* they can disable the tank, though, they will have a good chance at beating the governor as the Woodbury fellas sucked hard at fighting and seemed more scared of walkers than other humans. They would piss themselves against the whisperers.

Well the Walker-horde Alpha keeps as a 'deterrent' is absolutely massive--the largest we've seen in the series, by far:

http://i.imgur.com/IR9ZqWhl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ZbWsGBCl.jpg


But she also seemed kind of hesitant to actually use them(for obvious reasons), so I'm not sure what it'd take for her to release them on her enemies... Though I'm sure if her people were being slaughtered en gros, she wouldn't think twice. /shrug

Wow. In that case I might tend to side with the Whisperers if only because they're packing the equivalent of a post apocalyptic WMD.


On an unrelated note;
Who do you guys think would win between peak Rick, The Governor, Alpha, Negan, Michonne, Jesus, Abraham, and Tyreese?

Originally posted by Don Draper
Wow. In that case I might tend to side with the Whisperers if only because they're packing the equivalent of a post apocalyptic WMD. True, but that's kind of a one-trick pony. If Alpha unleashes the horde against Woodbury, the chances of her being able to round-up/contain that many Walkers again before the final battle are slim. I'm sure she could still put together a sizable herd in the 1 month reorganization period I've allowed before the 'all out war' commences, but collecting a horde that massive would have taken monthS... Possibly years.

...Though I suppose the other Communities could also try to employ the same tactic of using groups of Walkers as a weapon, after hearing how well it worked for the Whisperers. So there's also that to consider. /shrug

Originally posted by Don Draper
On an unrelated note;
Who do you guys think would win between peak Rick, The Governor, Alpha, Negan, Michonne, Jesus, Abraham, and Tyreese? Assuming firearms aren't allowed, Jesus would pummel the absolute shit out of all of them at the same time.

The dude's h2h skills are WAY above anyone else in TWD. He can(and has) solo'd large groups of Walkers, as well as groups of well-trained people. His skills are probably the most 'comic bookie' TWD has to offer. He's a legit badass.

Dang, I knew Jesus was good but I didn't know he was THAT good. Sounds like I'm going to have to start reading TWD again. I stopped following it right around the time of Glenn's death.

You have some serious catching up to do. A LOT of good shit has happened in the 49 issues since Glenn's bludgeoning.

Originally posted by Galan007
You have some serious catching up to do. A LOT of good shit has happened in the 49 issues since Glenn's bludgeoning. Cool!

Another random question;
How many Whisperers are there in the comics? I know you've equalized all the groups numbers to 200 in this thread, but have the comics mentioned how many living people are actually in that tribe?

Originally posted by Don Draper
Cool!

Another random question;
How many Whisperers are there in the comics? I know you've equalized all the groups numbers to 200 in this thread, but have the comics mentioned how many living people are actually in that tribe? Not specifically, no.

When asked how many Whisperers there were, Alpha simply responded with this cryptic message:
http://i.imgur.com/ak097b2.png


For all we know, they could have greater numbers then all the other Communities put together. I have a feeling Rick is about to find out soon enough--he seems to be weaving the strands of his own destruction.

Good thread idea.

1. Rick.

2. Alpha.

3. Negan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good thread idea. Thanks! I just wish there were more fans of TWD comic series here, because I think this thread could spark really good debates.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Rick.

2. Alpha.

3. Negan. Out of the 3 remaining Communities, which do you think would win the 'all out war'?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well the Walker-horde Alpha keeps as a 'deterrent' is absolutely massive--the largest we've seen in the series, by far:



But she also seemed kind of hesitant to actually use them(for obvious reasons), so I'm not sure what it'd take for her to release them on her enemies... Though I'm sure if her people were being slaughtered en gros, she wouldn't think twice. /shrug Well, against the Governor she would definitely have to use the horde. Whether She survives past the war or not, and in what shape her community ends up in is quite difficult to predict.

I'll still go with Woodbury after a good battle with few survivors left or an stalemate 'Made to Suffer' style.

The Z Nation crew clears this in 20 minutes.....TOP!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
The Z Nation crew clears this in 20 minutes.....TOP! screw Z Nation. It's all about the army of darkness.

Anyway, rick wins the first fight, the governor wins the second until we see more of the whisperers, and negative wins the third. Between the three communities that are left, I'd support rick's group.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
The Z Nation crew clears this in 20 minutes.....TOP!

Originally posted by deathslash
Anyway, rick wins the first fight, the governor wins the second until we see more of the whisperers, and negative wins the third. Between the three communities that are left, I'd support rick's group. Is there a particular reason you put Rick+Alexandria above Negan+The Saviors?

Originally posted by Galan007


Is there a particular reason you put Rick+Alexandria above Negan+The Saviors? rick and his crew have waaaaayyyy more feats than negan and his crew, have one of the best sharpshooters to ever appear in TWD universe, have a ruthless bastard child that will do anything to win, have a legit ninja badass that shares a passing resemblance with our Lord and savior, and they also have a really well supported, highly sturdy wall protecting them from most of the gunfire that can be thrown their way. It also goes without saying that they've beaten back negan and his crew before. It was also stated on panel that negan's crew has far less guns than rick's crew.

Right, right. And I don't necessarily disagree with you, but do you think Rick's Community has a higher percentage of militarized personnel than Negan's overall?

I only ask because that same percentage would be proportional in this thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right, right. And I don't necessarily disagree with you, but do you think Rick's Community has a higher percentage of militarized personnel than Negan's overall?

I only ask because that same percentage would be proportional in this thread. he'll no! With the saviors, almost all of them men are military. However, I have a question for you. Between twenty highly trained men and women that have either sniper rifles, semiautomatic pistols, and automatic machine guns and one fairly well trained man with 99 unskilled men with ( 96 of which have melee weapons) who do you think will win?

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanks! I just wish there were more fans of TWD comic series here, because I think this thread could spark really good debates.

It certainly could. More TWD threads would be nice in general, but most posters are only familiar with the tv show...

Marvel and DC are not everything, sigh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Out of the 3 remaining Communities, which do you think would win the 'all out war'?

Hard to say, because we still don't have enough data about the Whisperers. I'm particularly curious about their ways of controlling the herds of roamers. Are they more effective than Rick's? Seems like it.

Rick's gotten rusty, I'd say. Then again, he does have "give ammo" cheat code under his belt...

I'm undecided here. Want to see the horde in action first.

OT: It's funny how Dwight looks like an hamburger'd old Rick. With everything and the leadership crisis.

Originally posted by deathslash
he'll no! With the saviors, almost all of them men are military. However, I have a question for you. Between twenty highly trained men and women that have either sniper rifles, semiautomatic pistols, and automatic machine guns and one fairly well trained man with 99 unskilled men with ( 96 of which have melee weapons) who do you think will win? That depends entirely on very particular variables: the location/setting of the battle, their distance apart, etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hard to say, because we still don't have enough data about the Whisperers. I'm particularly curious about their ways of controlling the herds of roamers. Are they more effective than Rick's? Seems like it. I'd think so. After all, the Whisperers actually live among Walkers. They are intimately familiar with their mannerisms and whatnot.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
OT: It's funny how Dwight looks like an hamburger'd old Rick. With everything and the leadership crisis. Yeah, Dwight finally dusted off Lucille, though, so it looks like he's ready to tighten up his leadership a bit.

Originally posted by Galan007
That depends entirely on very particular variables: the location/setting of the battle, their distance apart, etc.
true. It also depends on the personalities and fighting styles of the characters. Rick and his group strike me as more defensive while negan and his group seem more offense oriented. I could see negan's crew coming over to alexandria more than I could see rick's crew coming over to the savior's compound. Alexandria is also a fairly easy place to defend (with its large, solid walls, buildings for cover, and sniper's perches).

Originally posted by Galan007
True, but that's kind of a one-trick pony. If Alpha unleashes the horde against Woodbury, the chances of her being able to round-up/contain that many Walkers again before the final battle are slim. I'm sure she could still put together a sizable herd in the 1 month reorganization period I've allowed before the 'all out war' commences, but collecting a horde that massive would have taken monthS... Possibly years.

...Though I suppose the other Communities could also try to employ the same tactic of using groups of Walkers as a weapon, after hearing how well it worked for the Whisperers. So there's also that to consider. /shrug

Assuming firearms aren't allowed, Jesus would pummel the absolute shit out of all of them at the same time.

The dude's h2h skills are WAY above anyone else in TWD. He can(and has) solo'd large groups of Walkers, as well as groups of well-trained people. His skills are probably the most 'comic bookie' TWD has to offer. He's a legit badass. Yeah Jesus is the biggest BA in the entire series.

Heck he soloed Abraham and Michonne for his first appearance without using any weapons while they were both armed.

Originally posted by deathslash
true. It also depends on the personalities and fighting styles of the characters. Rick and his group strike me as more defensive while negan and his group seem more offense oriented. I could see negan's crew coming over to alexandria more than I could see rick's crew coming over to the savior's compound. Alexandria is also a fairly easy place to defend (with its large, solid walls, buildings for cover, and sniper's perches). Definitely agree. Alexandria is probably the most well-fortified Community, but as Negan demonstrated: it's walls can absolutely be breached in times of war.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah Jesus is the biggest BA in the entire series.

Heck he soloed Abraham and Michonne for his first appearance without using any weapons while they were both armed.

Posting the fight just because it's pure badassery:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692547_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-011.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692549_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-012.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692552_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-013.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692553_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-014.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692556_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-015.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692558_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-016.jpg


Jesus also MA'd a group of Walkers with his hands tied behind his back(literally):
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692611_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-015.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692613_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692615_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-017.jpg

Lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
Definitely agree. Alexandria is probably the most well-fortified Community, but as Negan demonstrated: it's walls can absolutely be breached in times of war.



Posting the fight just because it's pure badassery:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692547_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-011.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692549_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-012.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692552_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-013.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692553_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-014.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692556_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-015.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692558_TheWalkingDead-92-ZONE-016.jpg


Jesus also MA'd a group of Walkers with his hands tied behind his back(literally):
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692611_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-015.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692613_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24692615_TheWalkingDead-94-ZONE-017.jpg

Lol. Yup and the next few pages he shows Rick he could have freed himself the entire time so he didn't even have to fight with his hands tied up.

And in recent issues He soloed several whisperers, all armed with melee weapons. Dude's a beast.

Yeah, Jesus is the Karate Kid of TWDverse.

I thought Michonne was overpowered --- but then Jesus appeared and made her look like nobody.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, Jesus is the Karate Kid of TWDverse.

I thought Michonne was overpowered --- but then Jesus appeared and made her look like nobody. Jesus make everyone look like a nobody uhuh

He is definitely the most comic booky martial artists in the entire series.

I also would love to see more Walking Dead threads myself.

Also as to the topic at hand I'm probably going to pick the Saviers overall.

The Whisperers seem pretty dangerous and they have that massive heard but the saviors to me seemed like the most well armed group out of all of them except for maybe the tank.

They had grenades and they had plenty of guns when we saw them take on Rick. It took all three of the other communities joining forces plus inside help to finally take Negan down.

This thread is just......lawd.....

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And in recent issues He soloed several whisperers, all armed with melee weapons. Dude's a beast.

And it was a pretty large group at that:
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707471_The_Walking_Dead_134-002.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707472_The_Walking_Dead_134-003.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707473_The_Walking_Dead_134-004.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707474_The_Walking_Dead_134-005.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707475_The_Walking_Dead_134-006.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707476_The_Walking_Dead_134-007.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707477_The_Walking_Dead_134-008.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24707478_The_Walking_Dead_134-009.jpg

No. Effort.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, Jesus is the Karate Kid of TWDverse.

I thought Michonne was overpowered --- but then Jesus appeared and made her look like nobody. It's like comparing a Jedi Master to a Padawan.

Hopefully Kirkman gives us Jesus' backstory soon, like he promised. I'd like to know where he acquired such haxxed h2h skills.

Originally posted by Newjak
Jesus make everyone look like a nobody

He is definitely the most comic booky martial artists in the entire series.

I also would love to see more Walking Dead threads myself.

Also as to the topic at hand I'm probably going to pick the Saviers overall.

The Whisperers seem pretty dangerous and they have that massive heard but the saviors to me seemed like the most well armed group out of all of them except for maybe the tank.

They had grenades and they had plenty of guns when we saw them take on Rick. It took all three of the other communities joining forces plus inside help to finally take Negan down. This actually brings up a good point: how do the other groups get around Woodbury's tank?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well the Walker-horde Alpha keeps as a 'deterrent' is absolutely massive--the largest we've seen in the series, by far:

http://i.imgur.com/IR9ZqWhl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ZbWsGBCl.jpg


But she also seemed kind of hesitant to actually use them(for obvious reasons), so I'm not sure what it'd take for her to release them on her enemies... Though I'm sure if her people were being slaughtered en gros, she wouldn't think twice. /shrug

That is a game changer alone

Unless you have a few balloons and noise makers to distract them all away.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Unless you have a few balloons and noise makers to distract them all away.

Tv show =/= comic.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tv show =/= comic.

Que?

Originally posted by the Darkone
That is a game changer alone Absolutely. But again: it's kind of a one-trick pony. They can use the horde to win one of the battles, but likely not both.

...Unless they've developed some state of the art way to corral Walkers fast as phuck, of course. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
This actually brings up a good point: how do the other groups get around Woodbury's tank? Well, the saviors have grenades, and I'm pretty sure Rick would go full monster if He was given the chance to take revenge on the Governor.

I can see Rick using molotovs on the tank to cook alive the people inside.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Unless you have a few balloons and noise makers to distract them all away.

Balloons never "appeared" in the book.

And we're talking about several/dozens of herds combo'd together, it's not gonna be easy to dilute the horde.

Originally posted by Galan007
Absolutely. But again: it's kind of a one-trick pony. They can use the horde to win one of the battles, but likely not both.

...Unless they've developed some state of the art way to corral Walkers fast as phuck, of course. /shrug

Yes.

The best for Alpha would be to wait and take on the winner, but considering it's a free-for-all between the three at the start, she can't do that.

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As for Governor's tank -- sure it was a factor vs. Rick&co in the "Prison Saga", but I don't see it being much useful after that. I mean, the tank operator could barely drive it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Balloons never "appeared" in the book.

And we're talking about several/dozens of herds combo'd together, it's not gonna be easy to dilute the horde.



Can't say for the comic, gave up on that about the time they got to the prison, but as for the show. From what I have seen. You attract the attention of enough of the herd and the whole thing will just follow the flow. Like how the farm go overran . A copter flew over and that giant herd just turned in that direction and never stopped. With carful planning and taking the right mesures. You could deal with the herd. As long as you don't OVERCOMPLICATE it like Rick did at the end of this current season on the show.

Rick is a dumb ass.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Can't say for the comic

All I needed to read.

The Comic seemed to be smarter then the show as far as I can recall.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, the saviors have grenades, and I'm pretty sure Rick would go full monster if He was given the chance to take revenge on the Governor.

I can see Rick using molotovs on the tank to cook alive the people inside. Between Rick and Michonne, there would be some serious Governor-hate going around, lol.


*Sidenote
I would absolutely LOVE to see a Governor/Negan meeting... If only to see Negan take a steaming shit on that faux-evil banter the Guv liked to use to intimidate others. God that would be epic. droolio

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Balloons never "appeared" in the book.

And we're talking about several/dozens of herds combo'd together, it's not gonna be easy to dilute the horde.



Yes.

The best for Alpha would be to wait and take on the winner, but considering it's a free-for-all between the three at the start, she can't do that.

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As for Governor's tank -- sure it was a factor vs. Rick&co in the "Prison Saga", but I don't see it being much useful after that. I mean, the tank operator could barely drive it. No, she'd have to unleash them more or less right from the onset, and hope for the best. One thing's for sure: all the groups combined likely don't have enough ammo to kill the entirety of that horde... But I don't think Alpha can really control it either. She'd just have to set it free and watch the random chaos ensue.


Where the tank is concerned: the operator was a borderline idiot, but it still makes for a superb battering ram--be it for breaching walls, or plowing through a Walker horde. Seems like another group destroying it might be a tactical error, imo... It'd be a great spoil of war if at all possible. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Hopefully Kirkman gives us Jesus' backstory soon, like he promised. I'd like to know where he acquired such haxxed h2h skills. WHAT!!! When was that promised to us?


Oh and thx for the Jesus scans. The dude is WAY better then I thought.

Originally posted by Don Draper
WHAT!!! When was that promised to us? In the 'Letter Hacks' section of issue #135:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24715845_The_Walking_Dead_135-023.jpg

Looking back at it now, I guess it's a little more ambiguous then I first thought. However, it still implies that we'll get more info on Jesus and Negan at some point in the near future... Which is a great thing.

Originally posted by Don Draper
Oh and thx for the Jesus scans. The dude is WAY better then I thought. Here's some icing on the cake, then...

Jesus owns a group of Negan's men(who were all armed with automatic weapons), before blitzing Negan himself and holding him hostage:
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715840_The_Walking_Dead_114-005.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715841_The_Walking_Dead_114-006.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715842_The_Walking_Dead_114-007.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715843_The_Walking_Dead_114-008.jpg

Normally I'm not a fan of homo characters, but Jesus is just so f*cking awesome that it doesn't even matter.

...But I imagine that once he appears in the show and starts racking up badass feats, most people will try to hop on the bandwagon. F*ckin pretenders.

I guess you just have to wait for the tank to run out of fuel?

Originally posted by Newjak
I guess you just have to wait for the tank to run out of fuel? Tbh I don't even know if it'd be a viable tactic to not take out the tank ASAP. Trying to keep it intact might cost more lives then it would save. I just think it would be an extremely valuable asset to another group, IF there were a way to beat it without destroying it.

What sucks is that we don't have any showings to pull from. In the comics, Rick's group never beat the tank... They just ran from it. But then again, the survivors weren't nearly as clever(or well armed) back then as they are now.

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
In the 'Letter Hacks' section of issue #135:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24715845_The_Walking_Dead_135-023.jpg

Looking back at it now, I guess it's a little more ambiguous then I first thought. However, it still implies that we'll get more info on Jesus and Negan at some point in the near future... Which is a great thing.

Here's some icing on the cake, then...

Jesus owns a group of Negan's men(who were all armed with automatic weapons), before blitzing Negan himself and holding him hostage:
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715840_The_Walking_Dead_114-005.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715841_The_Walking_Dead_114-006.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715842_The_Walking_Dead_114-007.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715843_The_Walking_Dead_114-008.jpg

Normally I'm not a fan of homo characters, but Jesus is just so f*cking awesome that it doesn't even matter.

...But I imagine that once he appears in the show and starts racking up badass feats, most people will try to hop on the bandwagon. F*ckin pretenders. What happened after that last panel?

Originally posted by Mindset
What happened after that last panel?

You'll never know.

Originally posted by Galan007
In the 'Letter Hacks' section of issue #135:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24715845_The_Walking_Dead_135-023.jpg

Looking back at it now, I guess it's a little more ambiguous then I first thought. However, it still implies that we'll get more info on Jesus and Negan at some point in the near future... Which is a great thing.

Here's some icing on the cake, then...

Jesus owns a group of Negan's men(who were all armed with automatic weapons), before blitzing Negan himself and holding him hostage:
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715840_The_Walking_Dead_114-005.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715841_The_Walking_Dead_114-006.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715842_The_Walking_Dead_114-007.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24715843_The_Walking_Dead_114-008.jpg

Normally I'm not a fan of homo characters, but Jesus is just so f*cking awesome that it doesn't even matter.

...But I imagine that once he appears in the show and starts racking up badass feats, most people will try to hop on the bandwagon. F*ckin pretenders. jesus is easily the most skilled character of all of TWD characters. I love that guy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Normally I'm not a fan of homo characters, but Jesus is just so f*cking awesome that it doesn't even matter.



I was gonna say that

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh I don't even know if it'd be a viable tactic to not take out the tank ASAP. Trying to keep it intact might cost more lives then it would save. I just think it would be an extremely valuable asset to another group, IF there were a way to beat it without destroying it.

What sucks is that we don't have any showings to pull from. In the comics, Rick's group never beat the tank... They just ran from it. But then again, the survivors weren't nearly as clever(or well armed) back then as they are now.

srug I mean the tank is cool but ultimately the things that make tanks really dangerous in a fight is they make things go boom. This tank can't make things go boom. So it is a more dangerous ram at this point. It definitely could destroy any fortification put in front of it. You could swarm the tank though since it doesn't have any counter measures and the Savirors Grenades could prove useful in quickly disabling the tank.

Ah, true. The nades. Yeah, that'd take care of the tank that can't fire back pretty easily.

Originally posted by Mindset
What happened after that last panel? Shiva(Ezekiel's pet tiger) attacked and inadvertently created a distraction that allowed Negan to get away.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean the tank is cool but ultimately the things that make tanks really dangerous in a fight is they make things go boom. This tank can't make things go boom. So it is a more dangerous ram at this point. It definitely could destroy any fortification put in front of it. You could swarm the tank though since it doesn't have any counter measures and the Savirors Grenades could prove useful in quickly disabling the tank. When you're fighting a group that has a horde consisting of several-thousand Walkers at its disposal, a tank would be an invaluable defensive weapon as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, true. The nades. Yeah, that'd take care of the tank that can't fire back pretty easily. The tank can fire ordinance. Jared(the operator) just never got around to learning how to load/fire the canon. He never had to.

But remember: I've given the groups a month of prep here. That said, it's conceivable that such a basic skill could be learned in a month(assuming Woodbury actually has ordinance to fire, of course--which did seem to be the case.) But who knows? Jared was a borderline retard, after all, so a month might not be long enough.

Originally posted by Galan007
Shiva(Ezekiel's pet tiger) attacked and inadvertently created a distraction that allowed Negan to get away.

When you're fighting a group that has a horde consisting of several-thousand Walkers at its disposal, a tank would be an invaluable defensive weapon as well.

The tank can fire ordinance. Jared(the operator) just never got around to learning how to load/fire the canon. He never had to.

But remember: I've given the groups a month of prep here. That said, it's conceivable that such a basic skill could be learned in a month(assuming Woodbury actually has ordinance to fire, of course--which did seem to be the case.) But who knows? Jared was a borderline retard, after all, so a month might not be long enough.

True the tank would be extremely useful against the Whispers but the Whispers could still potentially swarm the tank. Once on top drop a molotov cocktail inside or something.

True they never learned how to fire the tank and possibly could. The question is hard will it be to learn that skill. I'm not sure it would be interesting to ask an actual tank crew what their thoughts on that would be. If they could learn how to make tank go boom than that is serious firepower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETvj6bIpuA
(Skip to the 1:05 mark, and keep your volume low.)

I guess it might be harder than it looks, but it looks really basic to load the ordinance. From there, it would just be a matter of aiming/firing the cannon. I'd *think* you'd at least be able to pick up the basics in a month's time.

But again: there might be more to it than meets the eye.

Maybe it depends on the tank model?

Kirkman never discussed it in Letter Hacks?

Originally posted by Galan007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETvj6bIpuA
(Skip to the 1:05 mark, and keep your volume low.)

I guess it might be harder than it looks, but it looks really basic to load the ordinance. From there, it would just be a matter of aiming/firing the cannon. I'd *think* you'd at least be able to pick up the basics in a month's time.

But again: there might be more to it than meets the eye.

That also is predicated on getting a main idea to start you off with.

Without youtube, or a manual (which I assume they don;t have, else they'd know by now), can you pick it up apropos of nothing? It's not even as if you can safely experiment and play around..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe it depends on the tank model?

Kirkman never discussed it in Letter Hacks? Oh I'm sure it does. However, the tank in that clip was a newer model according to the comments. I can't imagine older models being more complex to operate. I'm also assuming the tank in the comic was American-designed, based on the fact that the Guv acquired it from American military. /shrug

If he did, I never caught it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That also is predicated on getting a main idea to start you off with.

Without youtube, or a manual (which I assume they don;t have, else they'd know by now), can you pick it up apropos of nothing? It's not even as if you can safely experiment and play around.. With basic knowledge of tank operation(which they had), and moderate knowledge of firearms/munitions(which they had), yes, I believe it is something you could piece together "apropos of nothing"(douchey wording, btw facepalm.) The question is how long it would take to do so.

I mean, the Guv implied that loading/firing the cannon was something they *could* have figured out had they got around to it... But because they never did, it's hard to say how long it would have taken them.

Just trying to throw around some options, is all.

Originally posted by Galan007
With basic knowledge of tank operation(which they had), and basic knowledge of firearms/munitions(which they had), yes, I believe it is something you could piece together "apropos of nothing"(douchey wording, btw facepalm.) The question is how long it would take to do so.

I mean, the Guv implied that it was something they *could* have figured out had they got around to it... But because they never did, it's hard to say how long it would have taken them.

I hate you so much, and your original threads.

http://i.imgur.com/x4AOcEYl.jpg

Thing is, trying to guess what would these groups do with a whole month of prep to a specific threat is too hard.

The only time we saw something similar was when the Guv decided to wait before attacking the prison to get them with their pants down. Then He brought a goddamn tank and killed half of them.

And that's without taking Eugene and his haxx learning skills into account.

There was also some decent prep(on all sides) the went into the battle with Negan.


As for the prep itself: it's obviously got to be something they could feasibly do within a month, with the materials/equipment they have access to. Eugene could probably figure out how to build an atomic bomb after reading a pocket manual on nuclear fission, ffs. However, Alexandria obviously doesn't have the materials needed to construct a WMD on hand, nor could they physically do so in a month--so that wouldn't be a viable tactic. Etc.

Figuring out how to load/aim/fire the cannon of a tank you already have, however, is actually within reason.

Originally posted by Galan007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETvj6bIpuA
(Skip to the 1:05 mark, and keep your volume low.)

I guess it might be harder than it looks, but it looks really basic to load the ordinance. From there, it would just be a matter of aiming/firing the cannon. I'd *think* you'd at least be able to pick up the basics in a month's time.

But again: there might be more to it than meets the eye. Yeah it's hard to say because I see so many buttons on that guy's screen. I wonder if each one is important. There was also a point where the loader had to hit the switch after the weapon had been loaded.

Also older models maybe more complex as they may have more manual components to deal with. Like I said perhaps they could learn how to do it. It would be funny if they blew themselves up though

Eugene is a incredibly good resource to have for a month of planning. I wonder if he could work out and get operational some radios and communication devices in that time frame. That could be useful.

I think........

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think........ ........You're drunk?

jesus appeared, i say we will see negan in the last epsidoe

^ Though it's not related to this thread, I agree. He'll show up in the last episode and give either Daryl of Glenn a bit of the Lucille treatment.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Though it's not related to this thread, I agree. He'll show up in the last episode and give either Daryl of Glenn a bit of the Lucille treatment.

never, not daryl hell not Glenn but it's going to happen , this season is insane just imagine next season sweet Jesus, I think season7 will be the most violent, bloodiest season in walking dead

Since this kind of turned into the unofficial Jesus respect thread, I wanted to include these feats here...

Damn good reaction feat for Jesus:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25985336_The_Walking_Dead_110-006.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25985337_The_Walking_Dead_110-007.jpg


And another:
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25985338_The_Walking_Dead_120-007.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25985339_The_Walking_Dead_120-008.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25985340_The_Walking_Dead_120-009.jpg

With 'The Whisperer War' slated to kick off next issue, I was wondering if any opinions on this match had changed..?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well the Walker-horde Alpha keeps as a 'deterrent' is absolutely massive--the largest we've seen in the series, by far:

http://i.imgur.com/IR9ZqWhl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ZbWsGBCl.jpg


But she also seemed kind of hesitant to actually use them(for obvious reasons), so I'm not sure what it'd take for her to release them on her enemies... Though I'm sure if her people were being slaughtered en gros, she wouldn't think twice. /shrug Concerning the horde's numbers, Rick's description in the latest issue was very telling:
http://i.imgur.com/miqYCrD.jpg


Holy.Shit. eek

And Beta's their Aquaman biscuits

https://s31.postimg.org/kybjsja63/The_Walking_Dead_157_005.jpg

By the looks of things thus far, The Whisperers in their totality(that is to say: the zombie-horde included) would destroy any of the communities one-on-one, by overwhelming them with sheer numbers alone.

Lydia basically stated as much:
http://i.imgur.com/EvTwjKS.jpg


Which makes sense considering the Letter Hacks section confirmed The Whisperers' horde to be the single largest concentration of Walkers ever seen in TWD... By FAR.

I loved the part when she told him it was nothing more than sex

Poor Carl. Without Negan's life lessons, he's so clueless.

Sidenote:
I'm curious what Lydia will do when she finds out Alpha(her mother) has been killed? Remember, she still has no clue.

Will Beta give her control of The Whisperers..? Will she try to kill Negan..? Should be interesting either way. mmm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I loved the part when she told him it was nothing more than sex

Poor Carl. Without Negan's life lessons, he's so clueless.

I haven't kept up with the comic, has Negan kidnapped Carl or something? And did Carl develop some kind of attachment to his kidnapper?

Originally posted by SquallX
I haven't kept up with the comic, has Negan kidnapped Carl or something? And did Carl develop some kind of attachment to his kidnapper? No. Rick kept Negan imprisoned for the 2 years that followed 'All Out War'. During that time, Carl would frequently sneak to Negan's cell and chat with him about life and whatnot.

They never became friends, though. Despite all those convos, Carl still wanted to kill him.

Originally posted by Galan007
No. Rick kept Negan imprisoned for the 2 years that followed 'All Out War'. During that time, Carl would frequently sneak to Negan's cell and chat with him about life and whatnot.

They never became friends, though. Despite all those convos, Carl still wanted to kill him.

Good to know. Who'll have being hilarious though if Carl grew attached to Negan.

^ That's where I thought Kirkman was going with the plot at first. Have Carl grow close to Negan, and then eventually set him free. Thankfully Carl made his feelings clear at the end of the issue, and thankfully that's not how Negan's escape played out:
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30338624_The_Walking_Dead_127-043.jpg

Tbh, Carl is actually quite likeable in the comics -- and he's getting there in the show.

So how much time has passed in both the Comics and the Show now?

The comics are 2-3 years ahead of the books.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That's where I thought Kirkman was going with the plot at first. Have Carl grow close to Negan, and then eventually set him free. Thankfully Carl made his feelings clear at the end of the issue, and thankfully that's not how Negan's escape played out:
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30338624_The_Walking_Dead_127-043.jpg

Tbh, Carl is actually quite likeable in the comics -- and he's getting there in the show.

I never really hated Carl in neither medium really. He was just a kid that was force to grow up way to early. He reminds of Connor from Angel tv show. Both of them got a lot of hate for no reason.

He's just better written in comics. Has some really great moments.

Originally posted by Galan007


Sidenote:
I'm curious what Lydia will do when she finds out Alpha(her mother) has been killed? Remember, she still has no clue.

Will Beta give her control of The Whisperers..? Will she try to kill Negan..? Should be interesting either way. mmm So Beta wants to incorporate Lydia back into The Whisperers:
http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/30347079_The_Walking_Dead_160-008.jpg


However, she definitely does NOT want to go with them willingly:
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346217_The_Walking_Dead_160-022.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346225_The_Walking_Dead_160-023.jpg

Also:

Originally posted by Galan007
The Whisperers are better equipped for warfare then I thought:
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346127_The_Walking_Dead_160-014.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346142_The_Walking_Dead_160-015.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346164_The_Walking_Dead_160-016.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346174_The_Walking_Dead_160-017.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346191_The_Walking_Dead_160-019.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346201_The_Walking_Dead_160-020.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346207_The_Walking_Dead_160-021.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346217_The_Walking_Dead_160-022.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/30346225_The_Walking_Dead_160-023.jpg Hilltop looks f*cked, tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also:

Hilltop looks f*cked, tbh. Star wars and walking dead, thanks Galan

Wanted to bump this after recent comic events (and what we know is about to happen next issue).

It appears the Whisperers are gonna be a clear winner vs the Hilltop and probably soon Alexandria.

I could see the Sanctuary doing quite well because of how their base is structured. Good vantage points etc.

Yeah, the Whisperers are surprisingly prepared for warfare -- they certainly know how to conquer, and appear to have fairly extensive training with various types of weaponry, etc. What ultimately made them so formidable, though, was sheer numbers.

Like Hilltop, Alexandria could very well be a pile of ash when all is said and done... Still not sure what will become of the new-Saviors. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the Whisperers are surprisingly prepared for warfare -- they certainly know how to conquer, and appear to have fairly extensive training with various types of weaponry, etc. What ultimately made them so formidable, though, was sheer numbers.

Like Hilltop, Alexandria could very well be a pile of ash when all is said and done... Still not sure what will become of the new-Saviors. /shrug

Yeah, they seem to have a very strategic mindset. Look at how Beta was discussing the plans. It's good especially since Alpha died and then within a short while the plan to attack is carried out and is going very well.

You are right about numbers. Not only can they steer the zombies with them but they also seem to have more alive humans than a lot of the communities. And the training too. And that seemingly complete lack of empathy for anyone else (except from when they about to get a machete up the ass). Even if Alexandria, Hilltop, Sanctuary want to kill them they don't have the same reckless abandon. Only Negan could sort of fit that bill (only if he genuinely wanted to kill a certain person).

It's so weird to see how kind Sherry is the TV Show at the moment then you have her in the comic planning to take up the scraps of what is left. Even if they did they'll find a load of as you described ash. Unless they're planning to snort it there can't be that much value in them.

I will be surprised if Negan is still alive after this event has wrapped up... But I imagine that IF he dies, he will definitely take Beta with him via a stabby-stab from the broken Lucille.

Originally posted by Galan007
I will be surprised if Negan is still alive after this event has wrapped up... But I imagine that IF he dies, he will definitely take Beta with him via a stabby-stab from the broken Lucille.

I'd be sad if he died. He's pretty much made TWD. I feel like after Whisperer War everything is completely new. We have no idea what could happen. Who will be useful, dead etc.

For all we know Rick and Negan could both die then a new era begins. But even then is this just another Saviors vs Alexandria but with 2 different leaders.

It's also another thing that if Negan survives what does he do next. Everyone hates him in differing degrees.

Yeah, don't let the f-bombs fool you... Negan is, far and away, the best leader we have seen in TWD in terms of manipulating people to follow him and whatnot. Hell, even as a tactician he's quite brilliant -- we definitely saw this during AOW, and even moreso just prior to WW.

That's why Rick himself has gone to Negan for leadership advice on more than one occasion... That's also why Rick adamantly refused to EVER let him lead anyone:
http://i.imgur.com/uh5tHNa.jpg

*He knew that Negan would just manipulate them to his whims.


IF Negan survives this event, he will certainly take whatever 'throne' remains -- people not liking him won't change that, imo... And tbh, Rick deserves to be dethroned at this point. This entire war is his fault, and could have been prevented had he not attacked the Whisperers first. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, don't let the f-bombs fool you... Negan is, far and away, the best leader we have seen in TWD in terms of manipulating people to follow him and whatnot. Hell, even as a tactician he's quite brilliant -- we definitely saw this during AOW, and even moreso just prior to WW.

That's why Rick himself has gone to Negan for leadership advice on more than one occasion... That's also why Rick adamantly refused to EVER let him lead anyone:
http://i.imgur.com/uh5tHNa.jpg

*He knew that Negan would just manipulate them to his whims.


IF Negan survives this event, he will certainly take whatever 'throne' remains -- people not liking him won't change that, imo... And tbh, Rick deserves to be dethroned at this point -- this entire war is his fault, and could have been prevented had he not attacked the Whisperers first. srsly

Yeah contrary to the show comic Rick has become quite an arsehole. In the TV show he doesn't seem to be this way. Which is something I've actually really liked a lot. They changed his character quite a bit, I am glad about him keeping his hands and him being more positive and not grumpy.

It's actually quite funny sometimes seeing how much of a dick he is. To bring up the show if Rick was that broken at what Negan did imagine how he will react to the heads on spikes as a border. His head will explode.

Definitely agree about Negan and him being a good strategist. Just his face when he's looking at Rick shows he knows what that's about. In certain ways Negan plays a role like Ezekiel. Not in the exact same way but he's very manipulative. The characters will never know it but we can see. Like the way (to bring up the show). When he gives someone the bat and people say well why haven't they killed him. Because the way he does the punishment of not killing the assailant but someone else. Makes them all feel guilty. (all of which applies to the comic too)

And the whole people not liking him thing was shown with the Savior's. I don't think many of them liked him but he kept them all right around the "round table" so to speak. They know despite what they thought of him he knew how to look after them and how to "shut that shit down".

This scene spelled out Negan's leadership prowess perfectly:
http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/30899263_The_Walking_Dead_149-014.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/30899273_The_Walking_Dead_149-015.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/30899282_The_Walking_Dead_149-016.jpg

"For all my faults and despite how much you hate me... I kept a group of people who didn't like me in line... And loyal."

Yeah but that was due to Kirkman's crappy writing.

If you have nothing of substance to offer, please post elsewhere.

Thanks.

Let me think about it....No. .

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Let me think about it....No. .

It would be best to stop trolling and spamming.

Ya Vhol Mien TrumpRrator Rex. I will now consider All of KMC to be a Safe Space.


No differing opinions allowed.

I gotchya.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Ya Vhol Mien TrumpRrator Rex. I will now consider All of KMC to be a Safe Space.


No differing opinions allowed.

I gotchya.

This thread isn't about Kirkman. If it bothers you that much make a thread in the Comic Book section.

Nobody here cares whether you love or hate Kirkman. It's not about not allowing differing opinions. It's the relevance they have to the thread.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Ya Vhol Mien TrumpRrator Rex. I will now consider All of KMC to be a Safe Space.


No differing opinions allowed.

I gotchya. This is a versus thread. It isn't a place for you to trollishly b*tch about Kirkman, lol.

I politely asked you to stop the BS. You arrogantly refused. A mod has now asked you to stop as well... I highly suggest you listen.

10273 posts. Find me a thread to which he actually contributed, instead of playing poor man's lob and b*tching about everyone and everything.

Sanctuary w/o Negan's leadership can't even function properly...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sanctuary w/o Negan's leadership can't even function properly... They've certainly been on the backburner since the conclusion of AOW, but then Kirkman dropped this bomb on us in the latest issue:
http://i.imgur.com/tYUGObe.jpg

So idk what he has in mind..?



*For the record, Negan is leading the Saviors in this thread/battle.

Saviors intentions were made kinda obvious to readers an issue before that, yeah... half-assed apology attempt notwithstanding.

You mean when she said that she wouldn't be helping them fight the Whisperers?

Yeah.

I knew the Saviors weren't going to fight in the war, but I didn't expect this faux powerplay to overtake Alexandria... Sneaky b*tch.

How skilled is alpha? Didn't she solo a few people from alexandria?

Alpha was skilled enough to kill several people from Alexandria/Kingdom/Hilltop/Sanctuary... and place their head's on pikes... within a few hours:
http://i.imgur.com/dwK8RiQ.jpg

This is a list of who she killed:
Olivia, Josh, Tammy, Luke, Erin, Ken, Amber, Oscar, Rosita, Ezekiel, and a few others.

Even though she killed them off-panel, a pretty impressive degree of skill would have been required in any scenario... As she was able to kill/behead all of those people in just a few hours, without alerting anyone else. This is even more impressive given that she killed them during a huge fair all of the communities were having -- there were literally hundredS of people around at the time.


...But as we saw in the last issue, Lydia(Alpha's 16 year old daughter) has some damn f*cking impressive skills as well, and is very comfortable/proficient with various types of weaponry:
http://i.imgur.com/AZZjwCA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FrYAgSl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zXhJGjR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/inNRMN4.jpg
I'd bet she learned that from dear ol' mommy.

Wowww that's sweet, thanks! So it looks like the whisperer are finally losing. do you think they have anything left up their sleeves?

Originally posted by Don Draper
Wowww that's sweet, thanks! So it looks like the whisperer are finally losing. do you think they have anything left up their sleeves?

They are actually going to win the war. If you see the solicits for the future comics. Hilltop will be burnt down and Alexandria flooded with Walkers/Whisperers.

Originally posted by Don Draper
Wowww that's sweet, thanks! So it looks like the whisperer are finally losing. do you think they have anything left up their sleeves? Yes, they most certainly do.

Beta is about to unleash the full Walker-horde:

http://i.imgur.com/muEHw6p.jpg



And as Lydia has made very clear: in their entirety, the Whisperers/horde will swarm and decimate the communities, like ants on a sugar cube:

http://i.imgur.com/HQA7w2X.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/z3uedbi.jpg

Holy crap thats awesome! thanx scott and galan!!!!! will def read this!

I think you have said in the past that you're just a casual reader of the series. If you want to grasp the culmination of 'The Whisperer War' like it was meant to be grasped, I highly suggest reading issues 127-current. It'll give you a MUCH better sense of how far the key characters/communities have progressed since the conclusion of 'All Out War'... And also help flesh-out the Whisperers as well.

Originally posted by Don Draper
Holy crap thats awesome! thanx scott and galan!!!!! will def read this!

You'll really enjoy it. One of my favourite all time comics.

Imo, the series has only gotten better with time. As mentioned above: issues 127-current are far and away my favorites of the series... They are just fantastic. I can read them over and over w/o becoming disinterested.

Negan should be the best one

Originally posted by Galan007
If Alpha unleashes the horde against Woodbury, the chances of her being able to round-up/contain that many Walkers again before the final battle are slim. Has she done it in comics? If so how?

^ Alpha is now dead... Negan killed her:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/31379076_The_Walking_Dead_156-020.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/31379086_The_Walking_Dead_156-021.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/31379093_The_Walking_Dead_156-022.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/31379104_The_Walking_Dead_156-023.jpg


As for the horde: Beta should be releasing it in the next issue.