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Who can (IYO) cause more damage with a single blow?
Who HAS caused more damage (all versions applicable here)?
Not a direct fight, this is about striking feats.


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Probably Karate Kid for both.

Val punches a hole in Rand.

Even though it's not a fight.

Val, and easily. Daniel has gotten major upgrades during his arc, and he's by no means a weak puncher (particularly considering his recent expanded understanding of how to further amp his chi), but Val is basically beyond him. Being able to match up against pre crisis Daxamites and Kryptonians is something, and his ability to hit at the weak point of an object would probably not end well for Dan if their fists hit each other.midpoint

Danny killed the Chinese god of fire with a punch

Iron Fist fts are better.

Val.

Another KK/IF thread. Smh.

KK couldn't even hurt a Rhino-lv jobber wielding some cosmic axe. DC's Terrax, basically.

Danny hurt Doc Green.

And knocked out a Thor clone.

Ragnarok, yes.

Sent Skaar flying.

Knocked Worthy Sin on her ass.

Busted a train full of explosives, a helicarrier, HYDRA's big battleplane...

Originally posted by carver9
And knocked out a Thor clone.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ragnarok, yes.


Really? Scans...

Val treated Mon-El as a joke.

Pinned Pre-Crisis Superboy down for a time (An enraged, no holding back Superboy).

Took a beating from a Daxamite and lived.

Took on the Pre-Crisis Fatal Five by himself.

All better feats, IMO.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Really? Scans...

New Avengers.

Ragnarok wasn't 100%, of course. Wolverine stabbed/cut the shit out of him and later Luke Cage pummeled him, too.

Plus, Spidey slingshotted IF.

Fist punch through Nuul who was WWH level

Fist could have ended WWH had he not held back and punched Hulk's heart out. Easily

Scans for celery:

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
New Avengers 21: Wolverine vs Ragnarok

'Nuff Said

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Aaaand the IF scene:

1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50395/2259856-fist_him.jpg
2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237843/4625565-7357326297-tumbl.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Scans for celery:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Aaaand the IF scene:

1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50395/2259856-fist_him.jpg
2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111237843/4625565-7357326297-tumbl.jpg
I also just saw the Skaar one too.

Wow.

Not bad at all.

"Fist him"

I'm dead.

Originally posted by carver9
And knocked out a Thor clone.

Feats for Ragnarok? We don't feat share, carver, remember?

Also, just to add to KK's feats, he was breaking Equus' limbs etc. Whilst dying, IIRC.

Equus was fighting toe to toe with the Big S.

Val Is more skilled. And he would choke out the blonde bimbo, too.

Originally posted by Juntai
"Fist him"

I'm dead.

Bendis

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Feats for Ragnarok? We don't feat share, carver, remember?

Also, just to add to KK's feats, he was breaking Equus' limbs etc. Whilst dying, IIRC.

Equus was fighting toe to toe with the Big S.

He owned Equus the first time.

Blindsided, you mean?

Nah

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Feats for Ragnarok? We don't feat share, carver, remember?

Also, just to add to KK's feats, he was breaking Equus' limbs etc. Whilst dying, IIRC.

Equus was fighting toe to toe with the Big S. Ragnacok went toe to toe with the Big T.

Probably, I can't remember. I know he fought Thor and lost though.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Iron Fist is too durable:
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And way too strong for this thread:
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A+ work, Bran.

Val sees the weak spots in everything. There is nothing too durable Val can't break.

The only weak spot Danny has is his mercy.

When Val breaks that Daniel of the Rand clan will break him.

Zack M just got shut down. It's over. Go home and google how to tie a noose

I wish I could no-sold Sunspot's blasts like you just did, Lord Rand.

- Surfer

Val one-shots all the immortal weapons at once. Mr. Armorr ftw.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I wish I could no-sold Sunspot's blasts like you just did, Lord Rand.

- Surfer

Surfer usually sucks, so...

Thanks, all.

No problem, bud.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Another KK/IF thread. Smh.

KK couldn't even hurt a Rhino-lv jobber wielding some cosmic axe. DC's Terrax, basically.

Danny hurt Doc Green.

How is The Persuader Rhino level?

This is Stilt logic. Rhino has a horn, Persuader an axe.

Originally posted by Zack M
Val treated Mon-El as a joke.

Pinned Pre-Crisis Superboy down for a time (An enraged, no holding back Superboy).

Took a beating from a Daxamite and lived.

Took on the Pre-Crisis Fatal Five by himself.

All better feats, IMO.

This is a punching contest.

Originally posted by riv6672
This is Stilt logic. Rhino has a horn, Persuader an axe.

Not exactly.

Lots of power, poor performances.

Originally posted by carver9
This is a punching contest.

Val was able to evade Wally and his speed force attack. Val can break Interon (DC's Adimantium) and he's more skilled on top of that.

Originally posted by riv6672
This is Stilt logic. Rhino has a horn, Persuader an axe.
Yeah, i posted this at 2 places, that keeps getting lost.

Originally posted by Zack M
Val was able to evade Wally and his speed force attack. Val can break Interon (DC's Adimantium) and he's more skilled on top of that. Danny blew up a city with his fist.....

Danny actually trained KK.

Val is considered his greatest failure.

Originally posted by deathslash
Danny blew up a city with his fist.....

If we're talking just pure destructive force, then yeah. In a straight up fight, Val takes it.

Originally posted by Zack M
In a straight up fight

Wrong thread.

Magog loses.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wrong thread.

Magog loses.

Not to Loki.

To any character from Marvel Comics, especially Loki.

Originally posted by Zack M
Val was able to evade Wally and his speed force attack. Val can break Interon (DC's Adimantium) and he's more skilled on top of that.

This is a punching contest.

Yes.

And they're punching carver.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To any character from Marvel Comics, especially Loki.

Not really.

Originally posted by carver9
This is a punching contest.

Lucky for Danny.

Originally posted by Zack M
Not really.

Ya really.

Nope.

Yup.

Nah.

Yeah.

Nope.

Yep.

Nopers.

Let's get a room

NOOOO!

You'll just cheat on me, stilt. With a Loki fangirl.

Damn It's like you're reading my mind.

I know a lying **** when I see one.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Val shatters emerald eye of ekron which Superboy, Mon-El and Pulsar Stargrave all failed in doing.
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fu

Suberboy fails to shatter something with a built in safeguard against being shattered. That's like Wolverine failing to cut someone with a healing factor. Pretty weak.

Thanks for bringing this to light bro.

Iron Fist would have perma shattered that too.

Val found a weak spot, IIRC. The Emerald Eye just reformed later.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Suberboy fails to shatter something with a built in safeguard against being shattered. That's like Wolverine failing to cut someone with a healing factor. Pretty weak.

Thanks for bringing this to light bro. Originally posted by One Big Mob
Iron Fist would have perma shattered that too.
Pfft, he can't even beat losers like Gorgon and Wolverine.

Val just swinging would vaporize this carver wannabe.

KK standard hits are stronger than Danny's most amped punches

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wrong thread.

Magog loses.
Jesus, NOT a fight!

Magog, though...lowest of low blows!

Originally posted by RadZoa
KK standard hits are stronger than Danny's most amped punches



He also created an earthquake with a tap of his foot.

Originally posted by RadZoa
KK standard hits are stronger than Danny's most amped punches once again, you prove that you don't have any knowledge of the marvel character.Originally posted by Zack M


He also created an earthquake with a tap of his foot. too bad he couldn't knockout batman (who wears Kevlar armor). Val only ever targets the weak points in his opponent's armor, meanwhile, rand blows them away with a single punch. This thread is like asking "between the ebony blade and thor's hammer, which one has better blunt damage feats?"

Originally posted by deathslash
once again, you prove that you don't have any knowledge of the marvel character.

Just like you wanking the shit out of any marvel martial artist.

Too bad about Batman? How about bloodlusted Rand unable to KO Black Panther.

Oh right, it's OK for Rand.

That's not true at all. Val would punch a hole in Rand. He can take on entire fatal five alone and break Inertron with his bare hands.

Rand is small potatoes compared to that.

Nah, it's like comparing Superman to Spider man in punching power. Totally different leagues altogether.

Originally posted by deathslash
once again, you prove that you don't have any knowledge of the marvel character. too bad he couldn't knockout batman (who wears Kevlar armor). Val only ever targets the weak points in his opponent's armor, meanwhile, rand blows them away with a single punch. This thread is like asking "between the ebony blade and thor's hammer, which one has better blunt damage feats?"

Top tiers were unable to KO Batman as well.

The alien hunters that were owning some of the Legion couldn't stand up to Val's blow. He was also able to destroy a meteor as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like you wanking the shit out of any marvel martial artist.

Too bad about Batman? How about bloodlusted Rand unable to KO Black Panther.

Oh right, it's OK for Rand.

That's not true at all. Val would punch a hole in Rand. He can take on entire fatal five alone and break Inertron with his bare hands.

Rand is small potatoes compared to that.

Nah, it's like comparing Superman to Spider man in punching power. Totally different leagues altogether. I argue in favor of logic and reason. By the way, this isn't the first time that radzoa has completely downplayed one character while pretending that the other character is approaches the level of a god.

A false statement that only helps prove how uninformed you are about what you're talking about. Rand did in fact knock panther out. As a matter of facts, he beat on him so badly that t'challa had brain damage for quite some time after the battle was over. It should also go without saying that a Kevlar suit of armor in comparison to a vibranium suit of armor shouldn't even be a contest.

Danny has survived an energy blast from sunspot, taken punches from ares, taken punches from heroim, taken punches from Luke cage, etc.

Flooring Phoenix force Namor is above pretty much every single strike feat that Val has.

I notice how you decided to shoehorn superman into this thread.

Originally posted by deathslash
I argue in favor of logic and reason. By the way, this isn't the first time that radzoa has completely downplayed one character while pretending that the other character is approaches the level of a god.

A false statement that only helps prove how uninformed you are about what you're talking about. Rand did in fact knock panther out. As a matter of facts, he beat on him so badly that t'challa had brain damage for quite some time after the battle was over. It should also go without saying that a Kevlar suit of armor in comparison to a vibranium suit of armor shouldn't even be a contest.

Danny has survived an energy blast from sunspot, taken punches from ares, taken punches from heroim, taken punches from Luke cage, etc.

Flooring Phoenix force Namor is above pretty much every single strike feat that Val has.

I notice how you decided to shoehorn superman into this thread.

You were the one who said Karate Kid was the only MA that was impressive in DC and that's hardly true. I've already matched all of MU soldiers and MA not too long ago.

Val has evaded the Speed Force Wally West, taken a beating from a DAXAMITE, pinned a pre-Crisis Kryptonian, etc... PC Val was on another level.

Next up, Ebony Blade Vs Mjolnir...

Originally posted by deathslash
I argue in favor of logic and reason. By the way, this isn't the first time that radzoa has completely downplayed one character while pretending that the other character is approaches the level of a god.




Nice try. Try it on someone else though.

Only after Panther was trying to get him out of mind control. It was a sucker shot.

After a lengthy fight and a total sucker shot. But yeah, go ahead and tell us how it was a fair fight.

Despite the fact that Batman routinely takes attacks which would kill any person in a Kevlar suit.

It's not simply about Kevlar vs vibranium.

You can add all those and they wouldn't be able to take on Persuader. Let alone someone like Validus.

Val has simply thrown Mon-El into a different star system who was going him at FTL speeds.

Rand would've been a red mist.

Haha, no. Even making Superboy feel his attacks is above anything Rand has ever done. Thing was making Namor bleed there FFS.

Because he is an essential mark to how Val is measured?

^^^Since his first appearance, yeah.
How that translates to striking feats is the good part.

Originally posted by Zack M
You were the one who said Karate Kid was the only MA that was impressive in DC and that's hardly true. I've already matched all of MU soldiers and MA not too long ago.

Val has evaded the Speed Force Wally West, taken a beating from a DAXAMITE, pinned a pre-Crisis Kryptonian, etc... PC Val was on another level. when did I say that?

While that's all very impressive, what does that have to do with striking power?

For striking feats Val has destroyed a substance that PC Superboy needed the "strength of insanity" to break.

I really do not get why people here have a problem with Karate Kid. A lot of them have trouble with the whole "it's all due to space karate" thing. If you're dodging speed force infused lightning after it hits you and tearing apart beings that gave Supergirl trouble(while sick) then you are far above Iron Fist.

Originally posted by deathslash
when did I say that?

While that's all very impressive, what does that have to do with striking power?

You said it like last month. Since a few of you were just listing feats, so was i. Do you think Val can beat Danny?

At his height Val can literally win with a single punch.

Originally posted by Zack M
You said it like last month. Since a few of you were just listing feats, so was i. Do you think Val can beat Danny? By "last month" do you mean a couple days ago?

Originally posted by Surtur
For striking feats Val has destroyed a substance that PC Superboy needed the "strength of insanity" to break.

I really do not get why people here have a problem with Karate Kid. A lot of them have trouble with the whole "it's all due to space karate" thing. If you're dodging speed force infused lightning after it hits you and tearing apart beings that gave Supergirl trouble(while sick) then you are far above Iron Fist. I have no problem with val, but his feats seem to involve striking at his opponent's weak points. I also, don't want to be cheap, but pc Val would be excluded from this (since we go by most recent versions).Originally posted by Zack M
You said it like last month. Since a few of you were just listing feats, so was i. Do you think Val can beat Danny? I would really like to see that post, especially since have never and will never think that karate kid is the only skilled martial artist in dc. Yeah, based off of their averages, val would beat danny.

Originally posted by deathslash
I have no problem with val, but his feats seem to involve striking at his opponent's weak points. I also, don't want to be cheap, but pc Val would be excluded from this (since we go by most recent versions). I would really like to see that post, especially since have never and will never think that karate kid is the only skilled martial artist in dc. Yeah, based off of their averages, val would beat danny.

You didn't say Val was the only skilled MA, just the only one that's impressive, stats wise or something. I'll try and find it later.

PC Val broke out of Inertron restraints,.held PC Superboy in a muscle lock, and canceled out an earth quake by creating his own with a stomp. So more then Karnak weak point striking.

As for current versions,.nearly every one of them have fought against Kryptonian level speed. The number of martial artists who can do that, you can count on one hand using half the fingers (Mantis is one of them.)

Danny's fast, but not that fast.

I should have made this a fight, but i dont think it would have gotten this much back & forth; thank you.

Karate Kid is the unquestioned king of MA in mainstream american comics. This is why he just gets left out most often. lol.

^^^True that.
I figured narrowing it down to one feat might make it interesting. It kind of did i guess!

Even if you exclude PC stuff you still have him fighting Mon El' and redirecting the guy into another galaxy. You have the whole "dodges speed force infused lightning after being hit" feat. You have the feat of him tearing apart something that gave Supergirl trouble and he was sick when he did it.

Does anyone here think Iron Fist could of replicated those feats?

If by replicate you mean surpass, then yes

Okay so you feel Iron Fist could surpass the lightning dodging feat? Really? Or all the other stuff?

Everything KK has ever done besides his losses. He would fail at losing

What feats make you think this?

All of them

Well he did punch a dragon in the heart, that earns some respect.

Originally posted by Surtur
Even if you exclude PC stuff you still have him fighting Mon El' and redirecting the guy into another galaxy. You have the whole "dodges speed force infused lightning after being hit" feat. You have the feat of him tearing apart something that gave Supergirl trouble and he was sick when he did it.

Does anyone here think Iron Fist could of replicated those feats?

Mon-el kills danny.

I don't like either. But Val wins.

Originally posted by Surtur
Even if you exclude PC stuff you still have him fighting Mon El' and redirecting the guy into another galaxy. You have the whole "dodges speed force infused lightning after being hit" feat. You have the feat of him tearing apart something that gave Supergirl trouble and he was sick when he did it.

Does anyone here think Iron Fist could of replicated those feats?
Not really striking feats.
And no, i dont think IF could replicate those feats.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well he did punch a dragon in the heart, that earns some respect.
Yeah, that is pretty bad ass.

Originally posted by riv6672
Not really striking feats.
And no, i dont think IF could replicate those feats.

There is a feat of him punching and causing tons of ice to fall.

I forget if the feat of him nullifying an earthquake by tapping his foot was pre crisis or not. Yes that is not a striking feat, I just like it.

For a striking feat you have him hurting a being Supergirl had trouble with:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111114806/3779053-9458013531-37786.jpg

Notice the villains reaction is pretty much the reaction everyone has to Val: holy shit what the hell just happened? Only he doesn't get to finish the thought due to the whole getting beat on thing.

Also these feats speak for themselves:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1706625-untitled_scanned_25.jpg

Here is the ice feat I mentioned:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/55190/1317751-karate_kid_control.jpg

Again people are basically like wtf just happened.

Nothing compared to what Fist has done.

You feel IF could replicate those feats? I could see him doing the ice thing I guess.

Originally posted by Surtur
You feel IF could replicate those feats? I could see him doing the ice thing I guess. do we even know if the colossal boy one was an actual striking feat?

So Colossal Boy just threw himself out of a building? I suppose he could of been tossed out.

Originally posted by Surtur
You feel IF could replicate those feats? I could see him doing the ice thing I guess.

Easily. I think Hulk and Skaar is harder to move than Colossal boy and Danny has slung both with a punch.

So IF is now at the level of easily taking down beings kryptonians had trouble with? That is an interesting interpretation.

Also forgot...he knocked a Thor clone out that has Herald level durability and strength.

Originally posted by Surtur
So IF is now at the level of easily taking down beings kryptonians had trouble with? That is an interesting interpretation.

Do you have punching fts of KK against Kryptonians? Scans please.

Here is the weakest Val punching a hole through the alien hunters that were owning some of the Legion.

http://i63.tinypic.com/28lxq2o.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have punching fts of KK against Kryptonians? Scans please.

You mean besides the feat of him beating something a kryptonian had trouble with?

Originally posted by Zack M
Here is the weakest Val punching a hole through the alien hunters that were owning some of the Legion.

http://i63.tinypic.com/28lxq2o.jpg define "some of the legion".

Originally posted by Surtur
You mean besides the feat of him beating something a kryptonian had trouble with?

What punching ft did he have during that showing.?

Punching so hard, he was giving off sparks.

Ragnarok with herald level durability

The real Thor would have walked all over Volstagg or that Avengers team without breaking a sweat. Volstagg himself said as much.

Originally posted by carver9
What punching ft did he have during that showing.?

The feat of punching and causing the thing injury? So you feel IF could f*ck up a dude who gave Supergirl trouble? That's cool. It's nice to have fantasies in life, right?

Originally posted by Surtur
The feat of punching and causing the thing injury? So you feel IF could f*ck up a dude who gave Supergirl trouble? That's cool. It's nice to have fantasies in life, right?

Iron Fist fanboys are the worst!

THE WORST! http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/mad.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Punching so hard, he was giving off sparks.
Really?