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OWAW Superman faces off against Odin in the heart of Asgard just like Thanos did near the end of Blood and Thunder...

How well does OWAW Superman perform against Odin relative to how Thanos performed?

Not well

Is superman sundipping?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
OWAW Superman faces off against Odin in the heart of Asgard just like Thanos did near the end of Blood and Thunder...

How well does OWAW Superman perform against Odin relative to how Thanos performed?

50%.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is superman sundipping?

Was Superman sundipped when he was probe busting?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Was Superman sundipped when he was probe busting?

No, but you did not specify, you do know in OWAW he did sundip right? So you should specify if you want to nutter him to not sun dip

You just said OWAW that goes all the arc

He was sundipping during the OWAW storyline, I believe.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No, but you did not specify, you do know in OWAW he did sundip right? So you should specify if you want to nutter him to not sun dip

You just said OWAW that goes all the arc

Yes, he's Sundipped...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was sundipping during the OWAW storyline, I believe.

He also merged with strange visitor

Sundipped outperforms Thanos

lmao, superman does wayyyy better than thanos, not question about that but beat him? idk man

Thanks to Abhi

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its often asked just how powerful Sundipped Superman was compared to normal Superman in OWAW.

So first lets see how Normal Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and Wonder Woman were faring against mere hardlight constructs of Warworld.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028860/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Not great it seems. Entropy Aegis comes and oneshots all of them in one panel.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Entropy Aegis severed it in one attack though. The tendrils healed back.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

And even Themyscira thrown to the tendril barely caused any trouble to it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028871/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028872/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg15.jpg.html

Superman, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom were unable to do anything to it apparently, so they went in to divert B13's attention. So far so good.

Until B13 makes the tendrils a hundred times more powerful and even Entropy Aegis is useless.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/24028971_Action_Comics_782_pg12.jpg

Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips7.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips8.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips9.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips10.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips11.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips12.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips13.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips14.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips15.jpg

Superman was at least powered up by a factor of hundreds.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yes, he's Sundipped... Did you just edit a complete opposite view?


Anyway, lol at "owaw" making a big confusion as to whether he is sundipped or not. You know how that's usually solved? By the thread being sundipped Superman.

Originally posted by ghostman
lmao, superman does wayyyy better than thanos, not question about that but beat him? idk man

I believe Supes loses (especially since they fight in Asgard)...

But the only question as pertains this thread is Supes performance relative to Thanos's...

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Did you just edit a complete opposite view?


Anyway, lol at "owaw" making a big confusion as to whether he is sundipped or not. You know how that's usually solved? By the thread being sundipped Superman.

You are right; that would have been more to the point...

There's 4 version of Kal in that story line.

-Regular Superman
-Superman after he started to listen to Lex and let loose
-Sun Dipped Superman
- And his most powerful. Kal fused with Strange Visitor.

The only Kal i see winning against Odin, is Strage Visitor Superman. While Sun dipped and cutting loose Kal gives him a fight but still looses, and regular coming in last.

Superman loses against Odin. All that is named above but he does better than Thanos with the dip and the amp he received from visitor.

OWAW Superman is far stronger than trans like Thanos. Particularly if sundipped.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman loses against Odin. All that is named above but he does better than Thanos with the dip and the amp he received from visitor. It's best if you sit this one out

No need to have your star player on the field.

lol.

Tomorrow's the big game

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I believe Supes loses (especially since they fight in Asgard)...

But the only question as pertains this thread is Supes performance relative to Thanos's... OWAW/sun-dipped Superman is significantly stronger than Thanos. So if Supes were to clobber Odin, it's extremely unlikely that Odin would just stand there and tank said punch like he did with Thanos here:
http://i.imgur.com/aAt7RSI.jpg

Even prior to his formal sun-dip, OWAW Superman entered a bloodlusted/unrestrained mindset that enabled him to shred through Imperiex Probes as though they were fodder:
http://i.imgur.com/xkRjsuU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2mdTb0k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4TlDfeW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qgBQr9s.jpg
(as you can see, even his unrestrained HV was blasting through them like a hot knife through butter.)

The problem for Superman are Odin's blasts--other than sheer durability(which he possesses en gros), he doesn't have much defense against them... Though Supes isn't without blasts of his own:
http://i.imgur.com/dFNcRze.jpg
srug


I think if Supes uses his speed+strength advantage, this could be interesting...

Odin stomps 10/10. Why even bring up Thanos?

facepalm

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
OWAW Superman faces off against Odin in the heart of Asgard just like Thanos did near the end of Blood and Thunder...

How well does OWAW Superman perform against Odin relative to how Thanos performed? Well in that scene Odin was relatively weak in comparison to his higher showings. So a lower end Odin vs. a very high end Superman. Superman being vastly stronger and faster than Thanos could prove a ko for him in a matter of moments.

And if this is sundipped Superman then this fight is spite. That version exerted over thousands of galaxies of power.

OWAW sundipped Superman oneshot kills Odin.

Originally posted by Galan007
OWAW/sun-dipped Superman is significantly stronger than Thanos. So if Supes were to clobber Odin, it's extremely unlikely that Odin would just stand there and tank said punch like he did with Thanos here:
http://i.imgur.com/aAt7RSI.jpg

Even prior to his formal sun-dip, OWAW Superman entered a bloodlusted/unrestrained mindset that enabled him to shred through Imperiex Probes as though they were fodder:
http://i.imgur.com/xkRjsuU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2mdTb0k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4TlDfeW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qgBQr9s.jpg
(as you can see, even his unrestrained HV was blasting through them like a hot knife through butter.)

The problem for Superman are Odin's blasts--other than sheer durability(which he possesses en gros), he doesn't have much defense against them... Though Supes isn't without blasts of his own:
http://i.imgur.com/dFNcRze.jpg
srug


I think if Supes uses his speed+strength advantage, this could be interesting...
A less powerful Superman in justice league elite was stated to be able to kill Worloggog Vera Black in one hit.

Odin would get killed in one attack here.

And magical attacks doesn't mean much when even B13 (who killed linear men like fleas and was shredding entire time lines) amped on Imperiex power couldn't do anything to him.

Either B13 on Warworld or Imperiex would beat the shit out of Odin like a flea. Both were totally helpless against Superman.

There is no argument which can be done for Odin here. Unless you are a marvel zombie that is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And magical attacks doesn't mean much when even B13 (who killed linear men like fleas and was shredding entire time lines) amped on Imperiex power couldn't do anything to him. I don't necessarily disagree. Just pointing out that magical blasts would be Odin's best option by a long shot.

Odin, easily.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't necessarily disagree. Just pointing out that magical blasts would be Odin's best option by a long shot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are not confident in your position.

Odin snuffs him out

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I believe Supes loses (especially since they fight in Asgard)...

Why do you think it being in Asgard makes a difference?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Why do you think it being in Asgard makes a difference?

Because Odin can amp up far above what he demonstrated against Thanos while in Asgard...

During Thor 400, after giving the Full Odin-Force to Thor so that he could combat Surtur, Odin was able to leech enough power off of the land of Asgard itself to combat an amped Seth on equal terms...

While in Asgard, the Destroyer is just a thought away from entering the battle at Odins command (as was seen against Galactus)...

During Thor 300 Odin was able to leech the power of Asgard and every Asgardian and enter the Destroyer (growing to the size of a Celestial in the process) thus attaining power far, far, beyond his norm...

As a result of what Odin can do inside the gates of Asgard, Sundipped Superman is not beating Odin there...

Originally posted by Genii96
Odin snuffs him out Exactly. Magical weakness and this is a stomp in Odin's favor.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Because Odin can amp up far above what he demonstrated against Thanos while in Asgard...

During Thor 400, after giving the Full Odin-Force to Thor so that he could combat Surtur, Odin was able to leech enough power off of the land of Asgard itself to combat an amped Seth on equal terms...

While in Asgard, the Destroyer is just a thought away from entering the battle at Odins command (as was seen against Galactus)...

During Thor 300 Odin was able to leech the power of Asgard and every Asgardian and enter the Destroyer (growing to the size of a Celestial in the process) thus attaining power far, far, beyond his norm...

As a result of what Odin can do inside the gates of Asgard, Sundipped Superman is not beating Odin there...
Combine all that and he still falls short of a worloggog user.

Superman was stated by a worloggog user to be able to kill her in one punch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Combine all that and he still falls short of a worloggog user.

Superman was stated by a worloggog user to be able to kill her in one punch. His magical weakness is still in effect. That statement has no relevance to Odin.

Superman dies.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Superman dies.
You think Odin is above Brainiac 13 and Imperiex?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Odin is above Brainiac 13 and Imperiex?

Abc logic. Odin wins here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Odin is above Brainiac 13 and Imperiex?


Is Superman?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Is Superman?
Sundipped? Yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sundipped? Yes. Based on ?

Based on that time a sundipped Superman destroyed a galaxy. You remember that time, right?

Originally posted by Surtur
Based on that time a sundipped Superman destroyed a galaxy. You remember that time, right?
If only there were characters like Brainiac 13 who were destroying entire time lines.

Or Imperiex who destroyed entire universe and contained the energy of a big bang.

And if only Superman had gone against them and made them his bitches.

Remember that?

Originally posted by Surtur
Based on that time a sundipped Superman destroyed a galaxy. You remember that time, right? Dunno about a galaxy, but Superman and Darkseid's battle near the sun in S/B #13 rocked an entire star system if that helps:
http://i.imgur.com/keQ8nn5.jpg

That was Superman just being near the sun.

Yep, and obviously a formal sun-dip makes him many orders of magnitude more powerful still.

Or Superman defeating Maggedon, who was about to destroy half the galaxy.

OWAW Mindset Superman should win imho. The Loeb Force was too strong in him.

The question is if Sun dipped Superman performs better than Thanos vs Odin. Which is a no brainer.

This Superman poops all over Thanos performance vs Odin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OWAW sundipped Superman oneshot kills Odin. Odin drained of the majority of his Odin-force was still at least on par in durability with the Destroyer armour:


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/o1_zpsn336u4ln.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/o2_zpslb9opdau.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/o3_zps0codhn2c.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/o4_zpsumtprhdu.jpg

Odin withstood what the suit couldn't

To the actual question this Superman should do better.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Because Odin can amp up far above what he demonstrated against Thanos while in Asgard...

During Thor 400, after giving the Full Odin-Force to Thor so that he could combat Surtur, Odin was able to leech enough power off of the land of Asgard itself to combat an amped Seth on equal terms...

While in Asgard, the Destroyer is just a thought away from entering the battle at Odins command (as was seen against Galactus)...

During Thor 300 Odin was able to leech the power of Asgard and every Asgardian and enter the Destroyer (growing to the size of a Celestial in the process) thus attaining power far, far, beyond his norm...

As a result of what Odin can do inside the gates of Asgard, Sundipped Superman is not beating Odin there...

So your argument is based on him fighting completely differently than the storyline the very topic is using? Gotcha.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Odin drained of the majority of his Odin-force was still at least on par in durability with the Destroyer armour:



Odin withstood what the suit couldn't

And Thor blasted a hole in Zelia with nearly all odinpower and the power of all the dark Gods.

A less powerful Superman than this had the power to kill worloggog Vera black in one hit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman's other sundip which was less than one minute was enough to kill Worloggog Vera Black.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818923_Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818931_Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818933_Untitled-Scanned-14.jpg

Worloggog had seen it previously in her vision.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818939_Untitled-Scanned-06.jpg

While previously she no sold a full on superman attack.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818924_Untitled-Scanned-11.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818929_Untitled-Scanned-12_2.jpg

And Flash throwing an object at infinite velocity and mass

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16818930_Untitled-Scanned-12.jpg

Look up at what worloggog does.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So your argument is based on him fighting completely differently than the storyline the very topic is using? Gotcha.

Oh not at all...

My interpretation of Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25 was that Odin was steadily ramping up the intensity of his attacks as the fight against Thanos went on (he started off with a relatively weak attack and steadily turned up the juice after that); it seemed to me that if he needed to start amping to beat Thanos he would have...

In a hypothetical against Sundipped Superman, I believe Odin would do the exact same thing...

So no, no difference in fighting style whatsoever...

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno about a galaxy, but Superman and Darkseid's battle near the sun in S/B #13 rocked an entire star system if that helps:
http://i.imgur.com/keQ8nn5.jpg

Odin and Seth rocked the multiverse.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
OWAW Mindset Superman should win imho. The Loeb Force was too strong in him. Loeb isn't writing this and Darkseid stalemated him. He wasn't that great in the story and the probes are greatly exaggerated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin and Seth rocked the multiverse.



And that was Odin at base power level...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loeb isn't writing this and Darkseid stalemated him. He wasn't that great in the story and the probes are greatly exaggerated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Thor blasted a hole in Zelia with nearly all odinpower and the power of all the dark Gods.

A less powerful Superman than this had the power to kill worloggog Vera black in one hit.



Look up at what worloggog does. Inconclusive but, whatever

Can't Odin just stop time?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Inconclusive but, whatever

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno about a galaxy, but Superman and Darkseid's battle near the sun in S/B #13 rocked an entire star system if that helps:
http://i.imgur.com/keQ8nn5.jpg



Yes, but Odin takes out galaxies as a mere side effect to a fight. Superman rocking a star system(according to lois lane, who is of course reliable) is..meh in comparison.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but Odin takes out galaxies as a mere side effect to a fight. Superman rocking a star system(according to lois lane, who is of course reliable) is..meh in comparison.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but Odin takes out galaxies as a mere side effect to a fight. Superman rocking a star system(according to lois lane, who is of course reliable) is..meh in comparison. Wrong

1. Odin was operating at a low level (under planetary) against Thanos
2. Those blasts directly hit the galaxies, it wasn't a side effect
3. It was both of them contributing ( a shared feat)
4. It was many blasts and not one over a period of time that achieved the feat
5. It was Odin's highest feat (or one of his 2 highest fests) .

I'm pretty confused as to why you brought up Thanos....? Odin beat Thanos, without massive amounts of effort. That doesn't change his high end feats.

You do realize that everything else you said could also be applied to the Superman/Darkseid feat, right? The whole thing with "it was both of them" and we definitely have zero clue as to what Lois was talking about and if they were "rocking" the star system in one blast, several blasts, etc.

So we are still left with the Odin feat being more impressive when it comes to scale. I'm also pretty sure the Odin fight had other side effects. I could of sworn it said it was causing Watchers to go blind, etc. It was f*cking with reality itself, not just physically damaging things.

A magical skyfather fighting against a character with a weakness to magic.

Um yeah. I'll take Odin.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong

1. Odin was operating at a low level (under planetary) against Thanos
2. Those blasts directly hit the galaxies, it wasn't a side effect
3. It was both of them contributing ( a shared feat)
4. It was many blasts and not one over a period of time that achieved the feat
5. It was Odin's highest feat (or one of his 2 highest fests) .

1. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
2. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
3. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
4. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
5. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman

Originally posted by tkitna
A magical skyfather fighting against a character with a weakness to magic.

Um yeah. I'll take Odin.

Let me correct you there. In case you don't know Superman is vulnerable to magic. Not weak to magic, like you are claiming.

About 99% of superheroes are vulnerable to magic, even magic users are vulnerable to magic.

Originally posted by tkitna
A magical skyfather fighting against a character with a weakness to magic.

Um yeah. I'll take Odin.
If only Superman has never beaten a magical skyfather.

Oh wait...

Originally posted by krisblaze
Can't Odin just stop time? Odin wins but that's out of character.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm pretty confused as to why you brought up Thanos....? Odin beat Thanos, without massive amounts of effort. That doesn't change his high end feats.

You do realize that everything else you said could also be applied to the Superman/Darkseid feat, right? The whole thing with "it was both of them" and we definitely have zero clue as to what Lois was talking about and if they were "rocking" the star system in one blast, several blasts, etc.

So we are still left with the Odin feat being more impressive when it comes to scale. I'm also pretty sure the Odin fight had other side effects. I could of sworn it said it was causing Watchers to go blind, etc. It was f*cking with reality itself, not just physically damaging things. Odin having to use Gungnir is definitely a low showing for him (Unless that's his average). This implies that his natural power wasn't enough to harm Thanos. Definitely not mountain busting. Anyway, this version of Superman (not sundipped) would dog walk that same Odin that fought Thanos. And Sundipped Superman would one shot KILL that version of Odin.

A better fight would be sundipped Superman vs. the same Odin that was fighting Seth. Odin there was operating on a much higher level.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
2. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
3. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
4. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman
5. Odin >>>> OWAW Superman

This is not forum Odin in this thread. It's the same Odin that fought Thanos. Unless you want to argue that was average Odin.

Also, OWAW Superman (without the sundip) is on par with average Odin.
High end Odin is vastly more powerful than him though. But sundipped Superman is astronomically more powerful than Odin at his highest showing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin having to use Gungnir is definitely a low showing for him (Unless that's his average). This implies that his natural power wasn't enough to harm Thanos. Definitely not mountain busting. Anyway, this version of Superman (not sundipped) would dog walk that same Odin that fought Thanos. And Sundipped Superman would one shot KILL that version of Odin.

A better fight would be sundipped Superman vs. the same Odin that was fighting Seth. Odin there was operating on a much higher level.

I really just thought Odin didn't want to just nuke all of Asgard in order to get rid of Thanos quickly.

Originally posted by Surtur
I really just thought Odin didn't want to just nuke all of Asgard in order to get rid of Thanos quickly.



Exactly...

Odin started with small attacks, and from there just slowly cranked up the intensity of his attacks...

Keep in mind that Gungnir is NOT Odins strongest weapon; its his favorite...not strongest...the Spectre of Power is his strongest.

Bringing out Gungnir started to seriously damage Asgard; bring out more power would have devastated it...its clear (at least in my mind) that Odin wanted to avoid this.

That mindset could cost him dear, especially as Superman is in a 'take no prisoners' mindset.....

It's a so so showing for Odin and an amazing showing for Thanos. Damage soak and durability aspect mostly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That mindset could cost him dear, especially as Superman is in a 'take no prisoners' mindset.....

Odin can take big attacks and he'd quickly realize what he's dealing with and react accordingly..

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Odin can take big attacks and he'd quickly realize what he's dealing with and react accordingly..

Like pulling out his Gattling Gun?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's a so so showing for Odin and an amazing showing for Thanos. Damage soak and durability aspect mostly.

Exactly...

Odin stomps.

Superman in OWAW with all the upgrades was way above skyfather level. He beat a few multiversal abstracts in consecutive stories in this period, and was at the height of his power and upgraded.

Even in the resolution of the story, he suggested he wouldn't need the Entropy Aegis' help against the Linear Men and the Quintessence if they decided to fight him. A group of time travelers and manipulators and 5 skyfather + beings.


Odin meanwhile, is below Galactus these days, who at the height of his anger showed the ability to wipe out 3 star systems.

Which is damn impressive, but nothing for a guy that's Sundipped, and powered up by the embodiment of the multiverse and shit.

Gtfoh.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman in OWAW with all the upgrades was way above skyfather level. He beat a few multiversal abstracts in consecutive stories in this period, and was at the height of his power and upgraded.

Even in the resolution of the story, he suggested he wouldn't need the Entropy Aegis' help against the Linear Men and the Quintessence if they decided to fight him. A group of time travelers and manipulators and 5 skyfather + beings.


Odin meanwhile, is below Galactus these days, who at the height of his anger showed the ability to wipe out 3 star systems.

Which is damn impressive, but nothing for a guy that's Sundipped, and powered up by the embodiment of the multiverse and shit.

Gtfoh.

Clearly you didnt read the OP (or to be more precise, page 1 of this thread); shame on you for posting without being knowledgeable of the subject matter...

Anyway, Superman is just Sundipped here; no Strange Visitor amp...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Clearly you didnt read the OP (or to be more precise, page 1 of this thread); shame on you for posting without being knowledgeable of the subject matter...

Anyway, Superman is just Sundipped here; no Strange Visitor amp...

I think he is saying regular sun dipped Superman was operating at abstract levels which is....

Exactly what carver would say!

Wow...close voting!

15 Total voters believe the advantage lies with Thanos...
14 Total voters believe the advantage lies with Sundipped Superman...

Only 1 person thinks they'd perform the same against Odin...

Marvel fanboys really are the worst.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Marvel fanboys really are the worst. Irony.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman in OWAW with all the upgrades was way above skyfather level. He beat a few multiversal abstracts in consecutive stories in this period, and was at the height of his power and upgraded.

Even in the resolution of the story, he suggested he wouldn't need the Entropy Aegis' help against the Linear Men and the Quintessence if they decided to fight him. A group of time travelers and manipulators and 5 skyfather + beings.


Odin meanwhile, is below Galactus these days, who at the height of his anger showed the ability to wipe out 3 star systems.

Which is damn impressive, but nothing for a guy that's Sundipped, and powered up by the embodiment of the multiverse and shit.

Gtfoh.

Were you always this mad?

Or did you go off your rocker during your absence from KMC?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Were you always this mad?

Or did you go off your rocker during your absence from KMC? Always.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh not at all...

My interpretation of Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25 was that Odin was steadily ramping up the intensity of his attacks as the fight against Thanos went on (he started off with a relatively weak attack and steadily turned up the juice after that); it seemed to me that if he needed to start amping to beat Thanos he would have...

In a hypothetical against Sundipped Superman, I believe Odin would do the exact same thing...

So no, no difference in fighting style whatsoever...

So, you're arguing based on your interpretation, and not exactly what he did. But your argument does indicate you think Superman out-performs Thanos, the entire point of the thread, so that's cool.

Anyways, as for Superman himself? Well, since the topic is of when he was Sun-Dipped, all amped and mental blocks off it seemed, I think it's fair to bring-out his high-end feats. Like when he faced Dominus.

First, a bit of establishing Dominus. Here, we see he created a multiverse for Superman, 4 different realities that he put Superman through simultaneously.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/MultiReality

Is Odin on that level? Well no, from what I've heard. Well below that from what I've heard. But we can see what he's got to match. Being a multiversal reality manipulator is still quite up there. And yes, Dominus' power was magick.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/Origin

So, how did Superman take his energy blasts? Pretty well considering Dominus' level of power.

Blasted to Earth, still conscious after the blast, gets up shortly after the impact.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus1

Takes several blasts before Dominus starts reality warping, still conscious.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus2

In Dominus' realm, takes a blast from Dominus talking about killing Superman in hopes of luring Kismet, Superman's still conscious, puts-up a bit of a fight, then enrages Dominus and takes another blast. May or may not have been unconscious from the second, we don't see what happens for a while(shows Waverider bringing Kismet to safety, then we know Dominus searched Earth off-panel) until Superman's imprisoned.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus3

Takes a blast, fights the Superman Robots(which kept the JLA at bay).

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus4

First, Superman's Fortress Of Solitude gets hit by Luthor's tower, quite hard. And all the synthetic Kryptonite in it is quite intense. How intense? It's deadly for Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman for about an hour according to Oracle, AFTER they already started dropping. And, we later find-out it hit so hard, coupled with Dominus' energy, it caused the Fortress Of Solitude to become a "ghost." Unquantifiable sure, and Superman's KOed, but shows he's already taken some damage and is in intense Kryptonite radiation.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/ImmenseForce/Explosions/GhostFortress

Shortly after? Takes a blast from Dominus. Is down, but not out. And remember, that synthetic K radiation so intense it's deadly to two Top-Tiers that don't have a weakness to it. And he couldn't survive it indefinitely, had to go into his Kryptonian Warsuit, but still DAYUM. NOTE: There's a couple repeat scans from the previous album.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus5

Again, takes a blast from Dominus.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Durability/EnergyBlasts/Uber/Dominus/Dominus6

And Superman's heat vision? It matched Dominus' blast.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/HeatVision/Matching/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN_MOS89-PG19.jpg

Although inconclusive, and she wasn't in the best shape, was implied capable of killing Kismet(note Dominus says Superman WOULDN'T kill her, not that he couldn't). He said it twice(the Dominus3 album shows it).

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/HeatVision/Fights/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN_V2_139-PG16.jpg

And he destroyed Dominus' body made-up of "near-infinite" souls, as weird and awesome a feat that is.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/HeatVision/Fights/DominusBody

As for Superman with the Sun-Dip? We saw how much of an increase he got when like that, as shown earlier.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15592615&highlight=userid%3A123405#post15592615

And we saw far less of a Sun-Dip had Superman powerful enough to kill Vera Black with the Worlogog, as she saw with its precognition(Batman's statement would just corroborate writer intent).

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=15604378#post1560437

Yeah, multiversal reality manipulator whose powers are magick? And this is before his training under Mongul II? Yeah, I'm thinking Superman Sun-Dipped like OWAW can definitely take Odin's blasts, and his heat vision can at the least hurt Odin. Considering all of Superman's feats and showings of strength under normal circumstances, I'm not seeing why Superman in this state can't put a hurting on Odin.

But even for those who think Odin wins, no doubt Superman greatly out-performs Thanos.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Not sure why you're giving quanny's retardation a thumbs-up. Not only are those arguments stupid, but irrelevant to the topic at hand, as you said--

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yes, he's Sundipped...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Clearly you didnt read the OP (or to be more precise, page 1 of this thread); shame on you for posting without being knowledgeable of the subject matter...

Anyway, Superman is just Sundipped here; no Strange Visitor amp...



Wait, you thumb-up quanny's retarded, irrelevant argument and don't correct her on the topic being Superman Sun-Dipped, but then thumb down and criticize Juntai for not reading the first page?

hmmm

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman in OWAW with all the upgrades was way above skyfather level. He beat a few multiversal abstracts in consecutive stories in this period, and was at the height of his power and upgraded.

Even in the resolution of the story, he suggested he wouldn't need the Entropy Aegis' help against the Linear Men and the Quintessence if they decided to fight him. A group of time travelers and manipulators and 5 skyfather + beings.


Odin meanwhile, is below Galactus these days, who at the height of his anger showed the ability to wipe out 3 star systems.

Which is damn impressive, but nothing for a guy that's Sundipped, and powered up by the embodiment of the multiverse and shit.


Gtfoh.

Good post, you made a great case..

Superman unamped by sundip was treating solid trans at least probes like fodder.

Delta showed quanshe a jar of lube and then proceeded to sodomize her without it. Totally messed up.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Good post, you made a great case..

Superman unamped by sundip was treating solid trans at least probes like fodder.

And since Superman's powers aren't dynamic according to carter and numerous other Marvel Zombies, Superman must be at least very high-end Above Top-Tier, if not low Skyfather, without a Sun-Dip!! I'm thinking Sun-Dipped OWAW Superman would melt WB Hulk, just being around him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Delta showed quanshe a jar of lube and then proceeded to sodomize her without it. Totally messed up.

Superman powers are not dynamic.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman powers are not dynamic.

You're kidding right? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

Able to move you're body so fast that you become intangible is dynamic, able to use you're Heat Vision from space, bounce it off and write something is dynamic. Able to use you're freeze breath to destabilize a ghost is dynamic, able to augment you're voice pattern to different frequencies is dynamic usage.

The simple fact that Superman's powers fluctuate immensely in accordance with his needs at any given time, definitively proves that his abilities are dynamic. To say otherwise is to ignore his entire history.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're kidding right? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

Able to move you're body so fast that you become intangible is dynamic, able to use you're Heat Vision from space, bounce it off and write something is dynamic. Able to use you're freeze breath to destabilize a ghost is dynamic, able to augment you're voice pattern to different frequencies is dynamic usage.

Stop quoting him, I have him on Ignore.

Originally posted by Galan007
The simple fact that Superman's powers fluctuate immensely in accordance with his needs at any given time, definitively proves that his abilities are dynamic. To say otherwise is to ignore his entire history.

Carter ignoring things? NOOOOO.

I'll just leave this here

http://comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2016021715032472&att=1.jpg&fullsize=yes

http://comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2016021715032472&att=2.jpg&fullsize=yes

http://comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2016021715032472&att=3.jpg&fullsize=yes

Originally posted by carver9
Superman powers are not dynamic. Correct. It's picking and choosing and ignoring the totality of the history in lieu of a few showings. Superman needed a gl projection to survive in space which means he totally can't survive in space. Use their own medicine on them.

Whor is going to rape Odin.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Whor is going to rape Odin. Venom raped Superman.

Originally posted by Galan007
The simple fact that Superman's powers fluctuate immensely in accordance with his needs at any given time, definitively proves that his abilities are dynamic. To say otherwise is to ignore his entire history.

First you all day he stopped holding back and then you bring up him being dynamic. Be consistent. Which one is it? His powers are not dynamic.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're kidding right? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

Able to move you're body so fast that you become intangible is dynamic, able to use you're Heat Vision from space, bounce it off and write something is dynamic. Able to use you're freeze breath to destabilize a ghost is dynamic, able to augment you're voice pattern to different frequencies is dynamic usage.

Dude...his powers doesn't increase like you want it too. He isn't dynamic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Correct. It's picking and choosing and ignoring the totality of the history in lieu of a few showings. Superman needed a gl projection to survive in space which means he totally can't survive in space. Use their own medicine on them.

It's sad how they keep adding something to this character. It's like a disease. If we are going to pick and choose things l, they might as well add the title dynamic under every top tier.

Originally posted by carver9
First you all day he stopped holding back and then you bring up him being dynamic. Be consistent. Which one is it? His powers are not dynamic. Yes, his powers vary in accordance with his mental state and in-universe needs at any given time. That IS dynamic power, genius.

It seems like your definition of a dynamic powerset is: "HULK", and anyone who doesn't power up the same way doesn't have dynamic power. That's just silly. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
The simple fact that Superman's powers fluctuate immensely in accordance with his needs at any given time, definitively proves that his abilities are dynamic. To say otherwise is to ignore his entire history.

and Galan actually reads comics unlike others

Everyone's powers are dynamic if the story calls for it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Everyone's powers are dynamic if the story calls for it.

That's not the case with Superman. There's multiple stories and a number of one-offs, both direct and implied, that have his powers fluctuating based on his mental state. But a number of retards(not saying you) can't accept it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, his powers vary in accordance with his mental state and in-universe needs at any given time. That IS dynamic power, genius.

It seems like your definition of a dynamic powerset is: "HULK", and anyone who doesn't power up the same way doesn't have dynamic power. That's just silly. srsly It is literally said in the RUIN arc of Greg Rucka's run that his emotional state affects his power. As in, point-blank, explicitly stated.

I'm at work so I don't have the scan, but it's been shown here plenty of times, along with many other scenes, that show just that.

At this point, it's not just carver's fault that he is trolling, it's the Mod's faults for letting him troll, continuously, for years on end.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/absorbing/adventuresof636a.jpg

Not sure how its even in question.

Originally posted by carver9
Dude...his powers doesn't increase like you want it too. He isn't dynamic.

This proves you've never read a Superman story before, or you're too dense.

Superman's powers increase, or decrease in from the amount of sunlight he absorbs or loses.

Under a blue Sun Superman gains new powers. A bloodlusted Superman mind set is different from a regular boyscott Superman.

OWAW proved that multiple times.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Better to have him on ignore or report him for his constant lying and trolling Lately, I've been starting to pile up my ignore list - starting with quanchi, celyphaga, stupiditywarper etc.

It's the only way to browse this forum and actually have fun.

Originally posted by Delta1938
That's not the case with Superman. There's multiple stories and a number of one-offs, both direct and implied, that have his powers fluctuating based on his mental state. But a number of retards(not saying you) can't accept it.
I understand his power fluctuates based on mental state. That much is clear. But his showings are different from writer to writer, artist to artist, and story arc to story arc... Even when he is in a mental state that parallels different instances be it holding back, going all out, or something in the middle. That's the nature of comics.

He's not trolling, Phil. He really does believe this.

And to add to what Abhi posted, I guess him feeling his powers surging is irrelevant, 'cuz, no dynamic powahz!!!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG05.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Everyone's powers are dynamic if the story calls for it. Exactly but selective scans can paint any picture. Hulk has consistently has dynamic strength for his entire history.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly but selective scans can paint any picture. Hulk has consistently has dynamic strength for his entire history.
I dont think anyone is denying that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Everyone's powers are dynamic if the story calls for it.

Pretty much. The picking and choosing is ridiculous. I wonder what they'll say Superman will have next month.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I dont think anyone is denying that. Well, DC fans try to act like Superman's powers are consistently shown as dynamic. If superman was always portrayed as his followers suggest in Owaw we wouldn't have all these Owaw threads. It's rather easy to see all this and I am surprised they don't see it.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. The picking and choosing is ridiculous. I wonder what they'll say Superman will have next month. Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:
http://i.imgur.com/754etNQ.jpg
(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.)



You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop.

Are you talking to me ? So according to two writers ? A few scans. This is just sad. I am not saying these scans don't exist I'm saying this is in the minority of his history. The fact you don't get it by my selective showings the other way is kind of sad. Tbh. You're kind of emotional today. Just calm down, buddy. Opinions vary and it isn't just me. Just because Hulk went all out in HOTM do we ignore all other showings since one writer said he didn't go all out until that scene.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I understand his power fluctuates based on mental state. That much is clear. But his showings are different from writer to writer, artist to artist, and story arc to story arc... Even when he is in a mental state that parallels different instances be it holding back, going all out, or something in the middle. That's the nature of comics.

It's established canon, concretely. Arguing writers don't always use it does not override the clear canon. It would be similar to arguing Thor doesn't have an obscure Mjolnir power because he's only used it like once. Him being very unlikely to use it doesn't mean he doesn't have it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you talking to me ? No.

However, Superman's powers have always fluctuated in accordance with his mindset/needs. Rucka simply gave us a 'scientific' explanation as to WHY this happens. His powers are dynamic. You and carv can keep the blinders on if it makes you feel better, but it is the truth--truth that can be proven over decades of showings.

Comic book writers >>> quan+carv.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Why dont you just join a Superman forum then? What does my character preference have to do with the fact that the current state of the forum is a troll free-for all no-punishment unless you go totally off the rails shitfest?

In a forum with solid rules, and argument-based discussions, 80% of the Marvel fans on this forum wouldn't last a week.

As it is, we have carver saying the same bullshit, for years, getting refuted again, and again, and again, told to stop every once in a while, with no effect.

The actvitiy and give-o-shit meter of older posters should tell you enough about the current opinion of actual intelligent posters about the forum.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I seen you complain many times about who you are think trolls and that that this site will be a better more enjoyable place if the mods would get rid of/ban like 70% of the people that post here. Or, if they would actually punish the trolls and spammers. If they wouldn't let the same discussion go over and over again, even when it's obvious that the posters in question are saying the same shit, everytime, just to get a rile out of people, out of fans of certain characters, maybe some actual rational discussion would take place.

High hopes, I know, right?

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

However, Superman's powers have always fluctuated in accordance with his mindset/needs. Rucka simply gave us a 'scientific' explanation as to WHY this happens. His powers are dynamic. You and carv can keep the blinders on if it makes you feel better, but it is the truth--truth that can be proven over decades of showings.

Comic book writers >>> quan+carv.
It goes back as far as Action Comics 586.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16479425/activebrain.jpg.html

Just a few recent examples.

Supergirl was literally dying from holding back herself.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203902_r6fSzMM.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203903_BsuI6RG.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203904_RLVhxut.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203905_An5EqDw.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203906_89yNArC.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203907_9nbuyjh.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203908_ufThsAJ.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25203909_0JT3oLJ.jpg

Superman suppressed his power and remained powerless for a whole year because he didn't want the power. As soon as he wanted it? It came back.


Another example where Superman is dying just because he thought he had no powers.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203966_MKQ1Ln8.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203967_wTt6VdP.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203968_321QZGM.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203969_aYOvjh9.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203970_qLYmeLi.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203971_nte428S.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203972_k9g57uX.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203973_OMjhlBD.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203974_qlr27lk.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman suppressed his power and remained powerless for a whole year because he didn't want the power. As soon as he wanted it? It came back.


Another example where Superman is dying just because he thought he had no powers.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203966_MKQ1Ln8.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203967_wTt6VdP.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203968_321QZGM.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203969_aYOvjh9.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203970_qLYmeLi.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203971_nte428S.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203972_k9g57uX.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203973_OMjhlBD.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25203974_qlr27lk.jpg

In addition, we have Batman stating that Superman subconsciously suppresses his powers. There's a couple examples of him distracted and doing poorly against an energy drainer, then when he's focused, he owns(one in a rematch, the other, a bit more complicated and unusual, but basically during the fight).

There's numerous hints during DEATH OF SUPERMAN about Superman's powers being dynamic, although a secondary source, it's confirmed in the novelization, and for those who will nitpick, was much more clear when Loeb referenced it during the Mongul training. Which itself has several direct and implied.

He lost his powers because he thought he was normal under Byrne, and regained them when he thought he was Darkseid's son and got power from him.

It was abundantly clear his powers were fluctuating in OWAW, especially when tearing through Imperiex Probes like paper, and the narration made it clear they were just as powerful as the ones he faced before, but he moved to another level.

I could give a couple examples of writers directly saying his powers are dynamic, but the haters will of course point to the rule.

I could show this stuff, but feel it'd be wasted. As those who'd pay attention I'd be preaching to the choir, and those who argue against it will refuse to accept evidence.

All of I.S.EL. logged on to tackle one obviously wrong opinion via mini respect thread. It's not that serious

I really don't have a problem with saying Superman has mental blocks. We saw this when he fought Blackrock. He does have blocks, not just that but his own code f*cks him over to the point of it being outright just worse for the world. He was going to let some mystical demons shred him to pieces one time because he thought he could only defeat them by killing them. So next time Metropolis is under attack and a kid asks where is Superman..well Johnny, he's dead because he didn't want to kill a mystical demon.

But anyways, even if you cast a magic "unblock every single mental block you have" spell on him he'd still be a gnat to universal cosmic beings. That sentence I just typed? Should not of been a sentence that actually needed to be typed out for people.

Besides, the topic here is NOT whether Superman klbeats Odin, but whether he outperforms Thanos.

^ That isn't what is being argued, btw.

I can't read your posts, but I'll assume you're correcting me. This is why you're on ignore

Wow!!!

This again?

rmikabutthurt

Originally posted by DickTaint85
I can't read your posts, but I'll assume you're correcting me. This is why you're on ignore

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Wow!!!

This again?

rmikabutthurt

Not really anything to do with being "butt hurt". I was agreeing with the fact that he has mental blocks. But of course making sure to point out those are utterly irrelevant against cosmics. Since I figured the only reason for a big discussion about mental blocks would be if someone was trying to say they had any relevance here.

I swear people throw the term "butt hurt" around here far too easily.

Originally posted by Surtur
But anyways, even if you cast a magic "unblock every single mental block you have" spell on him he'd still be a gnat to universal cosmic beings. That sentence I just typed? Should not of been a sentence that actually needed to be typed out for people. I give TheLordOfMurder/Boise (same guy probably) about half an hour before he makes that thread

Another KMC Bromance destroyed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Not really anything to do with being "butt hurt". I was agreeing with the fact that he has mental blocks. But of course making sure to point out those are utterly irrelevant against cosmics. Since I figured the only reason for a big discussion about mental blocks would be if someone was trying to say they had any relevance here.

I swear people throw the term "butt hurt" around here far too easily.

Just saying dude. I think We all agree that we were talking about OWAW Superman a very specific version of Superman.

But bringing out that thing again it seems that you are not able to let it go and so far I have seen this spilling out to other threads

Originally posted by Surtur
Not really anything to do with being "butt hurt". I was agreeing with the fact that he has mental blocks. But of course making sure to point out those are utterly irrelevant against cosmics. Since I figured the only reason for a big discussion about mental blocks would be if someone was trying to say they had any relevance here.

I swear people throw the term "butt hurt" around here far too easily.



Originally posted by Surtur
Why OWAW Superman of course. He blinks, MJJ just plain doesn't exist anymore. Then for no reason whatsoever Lucifer Morningstar shows up and Superman beats him up and ties him to a lamp post.

He then runs out that night to get some milk for Lois, and on his way home he defeats pre retcon Beyonder..before calling it a day. Just an average Tuesday for ol' Supes. I mean the only question is if he can defeat Jaspers without accidentally destroying all of existence in the process, the dude is just so powerful you never know..all of reality just might cease to exist until Superman wills it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well hey I'm sorry if Lucifer fans don't like the fact he comes in a distant second to Superman. It's like being upset that 1+1=2. These are just immutable facts of reality.

Originally posted by Surtur
These are happy tears though. I've been waiting years for Superman to surpass God. It has finally happened..well, like 20 years ago, but who knew?

Those poor misguided souls who think pre crisis Superman is crazily overpowered..they just don't know.

Originally posted by Surtur
We might as well stop making Superman threads and just make a "who CAN'T Superman beat" thread. I bet it would consist of like..4-5 characters out of all comics, hell if we included all of fiction we could probably increase the list to maybe like 8 people. It would be a time saver.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sorry, but if you are even within like 20,000 miles of Superman just the act of him breathing would probably liquefy all your internal organs. Everytime Superman has a nightmare it causes an extinction level even. The JLA spends trillions upon trillions of dollars on tech just to keep Superman from accidentally obliterating everything.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, a sundipped Superman would pretty much be like an infinity gauntlet wielder on steroids. That is if a sun can even handle his power without exploding the moment it touches his skin from the sheer aura of his power.

And that's only from page 1.

Yes, that is called sarcasm. You're acting like I wrote out a damn novel. How long do you feel I spent on those posts?

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, that is called sarcasm. You're acting like I wrote out a damn novel. How long do you feel I spent on those posts?
dang. why such butthurt

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, that is called sarcasm. You're acting like I wrote out a damn novel. How long do you feel I spent on those posts?

It's ok, let it all out buddy.