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Post Retcon Owen Reece at his very best takes on Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor during COIE instead of the Spectre...

Both are hell bent on destroying the other utterly...

What is the result?

Anyone care to defend their vote with a rational argument?

Anti Moniter wins

Post Retcon Molecule Man (at his best) was TRANS MULTIVERSAL. Not multiversal, but TRANS MULTIVERSAL.

He crushed Post Retcon Beyonder.

Even Post Retcon, Spiderman with his power remade all creation in the BILLIONTH of a second he had Beyonder's power. Even Post Retcon, Thanos feared his power unleashed and that's why he didn't destroy his Maker form (Thanos said he'd destroy all creation by reversing the Crunch or whatever it's called).

Even Post Retcon, many of Beyonder's Secret War I and II feats still stand and are backed up by the Handbooks, the most important being : the Passion of Death (in which Beyonder judged against Death and erased Death from the Multiverse and no one, not even the LT, could stop him or undo what he did). This was actually confirmed outside Handbooks in an issue of Quasar (where Quasar and Contemplator saw echoes of this Passion in the Dimension of Manifestations).

MM at his best, even Post Retcon, stomps.

Originally posted by zopzop
Post Retcon Molecule Man (at his best) was TRANS MULTIVERSAL. Not multiversal, but TRANS MULTIVERSAL.

He crushed Post Retcon Beyonder.

Even Post Retcon, Spiderman with his power remade all creation in the BILLIONTH of a second he had Beyonder's power. Even Post Retcon, Thanos feared his power unleashed and that's why he didn't destroy his Maker form (Thanos said he'd destroy all creation by reversing the Crunch or whatever it's called).

Even Post Retcon, many of Beyonder's Secret War I and II feats still stand and are backed up by the Handbooks, the most important being : the Passion of Death (in which Beyonder judged against Death and erased Death from the Multiverse and no one, not even the LT, could stop him or undo what he did). This was actually confirmed outside Handbooks in an issue of Quasar (where Quasar and Contemplator saw echoes of this Passion in the Dimension of Manifestations).

MM at his best, even Post Retcon, stomps.


A weaker Anti Monitor stalemated Monitor amped on the power of entire multiverse. Puma given the power of entire multiverse had the power to kill even pre retcon beyonder.

Ergo Anti Monitor kills Reece easily.

Trans-multiversal is a very broad/ambiguous term.

At his best, AM possessed the equivalent power of two multiverses. He was so powerful that even Spectre needed to absorb the combined energies of the most powerful mages in the multiverse(one of whom was a 5D djinn) just to stalemate AM. This amped version of Spectre became so powerful, in fact, that he could see concepts/events undreamt of by the Presence itself.

Didn't COIE say that The Spectre banished the AM back to his universe? Have to read it again.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Anti Moniter wins Moniter ?

Goosebumps ftw.

Puma given the power of entire multiverse had the power to kill pre retcon beyonder.
Beyonder never spoke in certainties though, ambiguously at best,
and the context of the statements suggests it wasn't a fact.
But regardless,
Beyonder willingly participated and had to allow his physical humanoid form to be affected by Puma,
because it was Beyonder conducting a suicide pact with oblivious Puma.

Beyonder wanted to return to his natural state of being (Beyond Realm)
in order to for-fill what he thought was his destiny as a "teacher" in that side story of SW II.

Beyonder attempted the same thing (having his form destroyed) with Rachel in another side story involving X-Men.

Bottomline, it was Beyonder talking, but Beyonder let us know (way after the Puma case) the deal:

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25382400_Beyonder.jpg

"No one can possibly destroy me without my consent"

Geez!!
That is a seriously polarized poll.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder willingly participated and had to allow his physical humanoid form to be affected by Puma,
because it was Beyonder conducting a suicide pact with oblivious Puma.

Beyonder wanted to return to his natural state of being (Beyond Realm)
in order to for-fill what he thought was his destiny as a "teacher" in that side story of SW II.

I was going to mention this (and the Rachel incident in which he powered her in the first place) but figured what's the point since people are going to low ball anyway.

Post Retcon Owen (at his best) for the destruction.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder never spoke in certainties though, ambiguously at best,
and the context of the statements suggests it wasn't a fact.
But regardless,
Beyonder willingly participated and had to allow his physical humanoid form to be affected by Puma,
because it was Beyonder conducting a suicide pact with oblivious Puma.

Beyonder wanted to return to his natural state of being (Beyond Realm)
in order to for-fill what he thought was his destiny as a "teacher" in that side story of SW II.

Beyonder attempted the same thing (having his form destroyed) with Rachel in another side story involving X-Men.

Bottomline, it was Beyonder talking, but Beyonder let us know (way after the Puma case) the deal:

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25382400_Beyonder.jpg

"No one can possibly destroy me without my consent"
So we take one statement from Beyonder and discard other? Fun game.

http://i.imgur.com/bipf4VM.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
I was going to mention this (and the Rachel incident in which he powered her in the first place) but figured what's the point since people are going to low ball anyway.

Post Retcon Owen (at his best) for the destruction.



These logics only apply to marvel characters, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So we take one statement from Beyonder and discard other? Fun game.

http://i.imgur.com/bipf4VM.jpg At least Beyonder would have died looking stylish as phuck.

Space cheddar vs space swiss

Originally posted by Galan007
At least Beyonder would have died looking stylish as phuck.

If you want people to have an actual debate then does the poll really serve any purpose?

Originally posted by Galan007
At least Beyonder would have died looking stylish as phuck.

I'm sure his sister Marie Osmond would be devastated though.

^ it's Michael Jackson.

http://www.stereocien.com.mx/stereocien/sites/default/files/noticias/resized_michaeljackson_1984victorytour.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/bipf4VM.jpg

It's both.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/b_1d/beyonder.gif

Secret wars came out in the same year of the Victory tour, 84'

He's got the body of Donny Osmond, and the style sense of MJ.

Perfect combo, IMO.

Surtur's wrong, though. Just so we're clear

Wrong about what? Some versions of Beyonder look 100% like Donny Osmond.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116692/3249763-1503453049-nnWyJ.jpg

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34500000/captain-eo-captain-eo-34507053-498-727.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/ab0613.jpg

Oh Stan Lee, it's like he drank an immortality serum at the age of 90.

It seems KMC has spoken (via the poll)...

Owen wins...

Originally posted by Galan007
He's got the body of Donny Osmond, and the style sense of MJ.

Perfect combo, IMO.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/10/article-P-9c9df529-467e-481c-ae0f-310d421335cb-1ilJ9NUNtaa656a196852873edce-317_636x382.jpg

@ polls being indicator of anything.

Reece stomps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
@ polls being indicator of anything.

Yeah, Marvel vs DC showed that. I'm surprised they aren't banned from debates.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/10/article-P-9c9df529-467e-481c-ae0f-310d421335cb-1ilJ9NUNtaa656a196852873edce-317_636x382.jpg I have never clicked the ignore button so fast, you piece of shit.

AM wins, though I think Owen at his best makes it a long fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So we take one statement from Beyonder and discard other? Fun game.
Didn't Beyonder state he couldn't remake Death? Exactly.

Anyway, there's no proof whatsoever aside from Beyonder's statement, that Puma could do anything.

Regardless, even if Puma could kill/destroy Beyonder at that point,
it would only be Beyonder's physical form withIN the multiverse:

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25402833_Beyonder_2.jpg

Again, no different than the Rachel case.

Beyonder wanted this btw:

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/25402842_Puma1.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Didn't Beyonder state he couldn't remake Death? Exactly.


What does that had to do with anything?

So dodging again, eh?

And what does that has to do with anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
@ polls being indicator of anything.

This one is an indication of what those here at KMC think, and the general feeling around here is that Owen crushes Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor win...