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I've had always beleived Thor could fly even without Mjolnir, but while looking at some pretty old Herochat topics I spotted this debate between two users whether Thor could fly or not.
http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=2600.15
The pro-Thor flying guy posted these


I would like to see examples of Thor flying without Mjolnir.

As far as I know, this is pretty much the only time he's been unable to fly without Mjolnir:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/1310897-thorfall.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/1310899-thorfall2.jpg
Took a little time to dig these out. Well, here ya go:
From Infinity #2:
http://i.imgur.com/OaelvYH.jpg
From Contest of Champions II #3:
http://i.imgur.com/5F3J0sb.jpg
From Thor #281:
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/17/48/68/57/thordu16.jpg
Dunno which issue this is from:
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/11-30-100110copy.jpg
From Astonishing Thor #1:
http://www.thecomicbooknerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/prv7015_pg4.jpg
http://www.thecomicbooknerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/prv7015_pg5.jpg
From Thor: Whom The Gods Would Destroy:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir116-SpeedWhomtheGodsWoul.jpg
From Longshot saves the Marvel Universe #2:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17094442/Longshot_Saves_The_Marvel_Universe_002-018.jpg.html
From Journey into Mystery #115:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122199/3311715-flywithoutmjolnirspace2.jpeg
From Thor #164:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111121459/3425745-thor+flying+without+mjolnir.jpg
God knows what Aaron was thinking when he made it that Thor can't fly without his hammer when it has been consistently and recently shown that Thor does not need Mjolnir to fly. That's one of my biggest beefs with his run.
I had all these in my collection because when some admin at Marvel Wikia removed "flight" from the "Powers" section of Thor's page, saying that there are no citations of where he showed the ability. I tried to reverse image search the least two images but no issues came up. I typed in the dialogues and whatever plot I could discern from the scans till I found the issues, and then re-added the flight with the citations along with LSTMU, and then proceeded to pepper him with PMs with these scans till he conceded Thor can fly without Mjolnir.
edit-from AvsX #4:
http://i.imgur.com/X8rbS8V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qWw8uOV.jpg
Edit:now thinking about it, some of these can be called out as Thor being in zero G.

while the con-Thor flying guy posted these:

There are many examples that explicitly state or show that Thor needs Mjolnir to fly.

http://i59.tinypic.com/mbha8o.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/1Fall.jpg



These are the best references. The others he isn't flying; I'll address them in a moment.

The Astonishing Thor scans don't clearly show him flying without Mjolnir. He throws the hammer, yes, but did he maintain altitude or begin to fall after releasing the hammer? I'd have to look for it, but I recall an instance under Lee where Thor hurled Mjolnir and was falling until it returned to him.

(Anyone know if Astonishing Thor is canon?)

If we accept that Thor must have Mjolnir out in front of him to be using it for flight*, you have maybe four references of Thor flying without the hammer. (The one for which you don't know the issue is also Astonishing Thor #1, if I'm not mistaken.) There are many more references that he cannot fly without the hammer.

* Stan Lee, who established Thor's reliance on Mjolnir for flight, wrote scenes like this one where Thor remained airborne with the hammer dangling from his wrist. (Which likely is due more to the artist; I doubt Stan was that specific about Mjolnir's position.)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ef18ac.jpg




He isn't flying. He and Space Phantom were in Limbo, where physical laws are much different. They were just standing on fog before leaping to the planet below. In the next issue, Thor had to leap from the surface of the planet, which would have been unnecessary if he were able to fly.



He's floating in outer space in these, not flying.



The latter scan is actually from Thor #162. In both of these, he's being sent back to Midgard, not flying under his own power. The Warriors Three and Balder have been shown "flying" around in the same manner. Under Stan Lee, Thor definitely could not fly.

JiM #116: http://i58.tinypic.com/f44inc.jpg
Thor #167: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Thor_167_18.jpg
Thor #164: http://tinypic.com/m/iomck6/1
Thor #184: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Thor184-05.jpg

Other references:
JiM #83-- Thor: "I release my whirling hammer for a split-second, catching the unbreakable thong, and then-- I am pulled along after it like the tail of a rocket!!" (This type of thing is repeated in the first few issues to tell readers how Thor flies.)

JiM #86-- Narration: "Pulled aloft by his soaring hammer, Thor flies from the desert to a distant mountain range..."

JiM #88-- Narration: "Minutes later, a godlike figure hurles his hammer into the sky, flying after it as he grips the leather thong with fingers of steel!"

JiM #99-- Thor: "As Don Blake, mortal, I was force to fall towards the ground... but as mighty Thor, the God of Thunder, with the aid of my enchanted hammer, I can land safely by flying!"

There are a lot more references for Thor needing Mjolnir to fly if we get into a full discussion over it.



I'm assuming it's about whether Thor was at full power.

Thor was able to fight the Hulk evenly and even had a brief stalemate in a test of strength. That indicates that he's at full strength.

In Thor #497, Thor says that all his powers were returned. Nothing about diminished power.

Peter David said that when he began the storyline, it was his intention to end with a Thor/Hulk battle. He did not expect that Thor's power would be stripped from him, so he used Omnibus to restore Thor's power so he could end the story as envisioned.


Re-reading the thread, I see now you're talking about whether this is an example of Thor flying without the hammer.

Nah. He's being bounced into the air as Hulk bursts through the ice. It's too big of a coincidence that Hulk is coming up right below him when a moment before Thor was on hands and knees.


Guess.. I... was... wrong.

He definitely can't. Hover for a few moments sure.

Even Aaron had him unable to fly after losing mjolnir.

He should be able to in the same manner Storm does...it's just a rarely shown ability.

He can hover but that's it

Yes.

I remember him flying against Gor and Storm without mjolnir iirc

If he can then he's really shit at it.

Some writers might think that he can, but more often than not he's depicted as not being able to fly (or at least direct his momentum) without mjolnir.

Originally posted by krisblaze
If he can then he's really shit at it.

Some writers might think that he can, but more often than not he's depicted as not being able to fly (or at least direct his momentum) without mjolnir.

Agreed. Although I think that it's pretty dumb that he isn't able to fly as fast as the winds that he controls can take him.

No.
He can barely even fight without the aid of his hammer

Originally posted by Raisen
No.
He can barely even fight without the aid of his hammer

Definitely has hovered many times. Fly? Errr...

He's flown enough to say he can without it.

He's flown without it quite a few times, but in continuity he's not supposed to be able to.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
He's flown without it quite a few times, but in continuity he's not supposed to be able to.

He's done it in continuity

If he can, my best guess is that he can't fly nearly as fast without mjolnir.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He's done it in continuity

I know he has, but if you consult the "official" canon, he's not supposed to be able to fly. But yeah, he's definitely done it before, even as recently as Hickman's Avengers iirc.

Jane Thor probably can... But Jane>>>Odinson, so it's a moot point.

Good thread!

Originally posted by Galan007
Jane Thor probably can... But Jane>>>Odinson, so it's a moot point.

Good thread!

Jane cant. And she's no greater than Odinson

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jane cant. And she's no greater than Odinson

I agree but not until I see more of what Jane can do. Wasn't there a time that Thor matched Odin when Odin was disguised? Odin didn't use the full extent of his abilities because it was a fist fight, but then again neither did Thor. I could be wrong though.

Thor no hammer, Surfer no board. Both can fly.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jane cant. And she's no greater than Odinson Jane is what Odinson always hoped he could be. She's just better in every conceivable way. That is all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Jane is what Odinson always hoped he could be. She's just better in every conceivable way. That is all.

No not really.

This woman-hating sexist over here. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Jane is what Odinson always hoped he could be. She's just better in every conceivable way. That is all.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/foxy_shazam/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsw4gbt5dy.png

Lol at he can't fly.

At least hulk can jump. Thor with out a magic weapon is just sad, sorry!

The Goat Chariot is a more badass mode of transportation anyway.

Hickman had him flying without it.

Depends on the writer and the situation I guess.

he's been around for what, nearly 60 years? of course there will be a couple of instances that show him flying. that doesn't mean we throw out all the other times it's been explicitly shown he can't. in general, no, he definitely cannot. hovering has been shown more, but even that is a little sketchy imo. SHOULD he be able to? sure. he should be a master of the winds, but for all his time in comics, no one has really ever explored that aspect of him worth sh!t. some glimpses, but really nothing more than that. stupid, really.

Stupid thor, yes.

Lol so people are actually saying he can here?

Originally posted by Magnificent M
The Goat Chariot is a more badass mode of transportation anyway.
Cosigned.

hi5

Didn't he use the winds to fly in a Simonson issue?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Didn't he use the winds to fly in a Simonson issue?

Yes, but it hasn't been a consistent portrayal.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Originally posted by Galan007
Jane is what Odinson always hoped he could be. She's just better in every conceivable way. That is all.
No not really.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Originally posted by Galan007
Jane is what Odinson always hoped he could be. She's just better in every conceivable way. That is all.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/foxy_shazam/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsw4gbt5dy.png
Either Galan trolled Sin into a meltdown and Khazra into suicide, or they are both trolling him back by pretending to

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
while the con-Thor flying guy posted these:

There are many examples that explicitly state or show that Thor needs Mjolnir to fly.

http://i59.tinypic.com/mbha8o.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/1Fall.jpg



These are the best references. The others he isn't flying; I'll address them in a moment.

The Astonishing Thor scans don't clearly show him flying without Mjolnir. He throws the hammer, yes, but did he maintain altitude or begin to fall after releasing the hammer? I'd have to look for it, but I recall an instance under Lee where Thor hurled Mjolnir and was falling until it returned to him.

(Anyone know if Astonishing Thor is canon?)

If we accept that Thor must have Mjolnir out in front of him to be using it for flight*, you have maybe four references of Thor flying without the hammer. (The one for which you don't know the issue is also Astonishing Thor #1, if I'm not mistaken.) There are many more references that he cannot fly without the hammer.

* Stan Lee, who established Thor's reliance on Mjolnir for flight, wrote scenes like this one where Thor remained airborne with the hammer dangling from his wrist. (Which likely is due more to the artist; I doubt Stan was that specific about Mjolnir's position.)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ef18ac.jpg




He isn't flying. He and Space Phantom were in Limbo, where physical laws are much different. They were just standing on fog before leaping to the planet below. In the next issue, Thor had to leap from the surface of the planet, which would have been unnecessary if he were able to fly.



He's floating in outer space in these, not flying.



The latter scan is actually from Thor #162. In both of these, he's being sent back to Midgard, not flying under his own power. The Warriors Three and Balder have been shown "flying" around in the same manner. Under Stan Lee, Thor definitely could not fly.

JiM #116: http://i58.tinypic.com/f44inc.jpg
Thor #167: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Thor_167_18.jpg
Thor #164: http://tinypic.com/m/iomck6/1
Thor #184: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Thor184-05.jpg

Other references:
JiM #83-- Thor: "I release my whirling hammer for a split-second, catching the unbreakable thong, and then-- I am pulled along after it like the tail of a rocket!!" (This type of thing is repeated in the first few issues to tell readers how Thor flies.)

JiM #86-- Narration: "Pulled aloft by his soaring hammer, Thor flies from the desert to a distant mountain range..."

JiM #88-- Narration: "Minutes later, a godlike figure hurles his hammer into the sky, flying after it as he grips the leather thong with fingers of steel!"

JiM #99-- Thor: "As Don Blake, mortal, I was force to fall towards the ground... but as mighty Thor, the God of Thunder, with the aid of my enchanted hammer, I can land safely by flying!"

There are a lot more references for Thor needing Mjolnir to fly if we get into a full discussion over it.



I'm assuming it's about whether Thor was at full power.

Thor was able to fight the Hulk evenly and even had a brief stalemate in a test of strength. That indicates that he's at full strength.

In Thor #497, Thor says that all his powers were returned. Nothing about diminished power.

Peter David said that when he began the storyline, it was his intention to end with a Thor/Hulk battle. He did not expect that Thor's power would be stripped from him, so he used Omnibus to restore Thor's power so he could end the story as envisioned.


Re-reading the thread, I see now you're talking about whether this is an example of Thor flying without the hammer.

Nah. He's being bounced into the air as Hulk bursts through the ice. It's too big of a coincidence that Hulk is coming up right below him when a moment before Thor was on hands and knees.


Guess.. I... was... wrong.

Yes, Astonishing is canon.

Tl;dr.

Stilt's probably wanking Wolverine or something.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Yes, Astonishing is canon.
Good, but next time check where all the quotes are present man or else you will hear things like this

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tl;dr.

Stilt's probably wanking Wolverine or something.

Was typing on mobile, lol.

Anyway, all Astonishing series were canon, unlike Forever series, for example.

Of course not. It's so obvious