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H2h ONLY

Fight takes place on neutral ground

H2H only? I'm siding with Skull here. Legolas doesn't have much in h2h feats. Then again, neither did Skull. Legolas only fought Bolg in h2h IIRC and Skull only fought Cap.

But since I consider Cap >> Bolg then I'd have to say Skull >> Legolas.

Now if it was a weapons fight...

Originally posted by FrothByte
H2H only? I'm siding with Skull here. Legolas doesn't have much in h2h feats. Then again, neither did Skull. Legolas only fought Bolg in h2h IIRC and Skull only fought Cap.

But since I consider Cap >> Bolg then I'd have to say Skull >> Legolas.

Now if it was a weapons fight... This. Hand to hand wont go well for Legolas. Didn't he always use an arrow in h2h to stab people too? Without at least that, I don't see him doing damage to a dude who was beating the hell out of cap, and could put dents in steel walls with punches

Skull dents Legolas' face.

He ain't so pretty anymore.

Legolas should be a far better fighter if only based on age

Originally posted by golem370
Legolas should be a far better fighter if only based on age

Using that argument, Thor is a far better fighter than either Baleman or Cap.

Ok experienced fighter.

Originally posted by golem370
Legolas should be a far better fighter if only based on age Horrible logic.

Red Skull takes this.... He showed good h2h skills against Cap.. Legolas had no h2h skills, iirc

Originally posted by Arachnid1
This. Hand to hand wont go well for Legolas. Didn't he always use an arrow in h2h to stab people too? Without at least that, I don't see him doing damage to a dude who was beating the hell out of cap, and could put dents in steel walls with punches

It wasn't always arrows, he had knives on him too for shanking. But he doesn't have those here.

Bolg was billed 8foot6 350+ yet Legolas was able to fling him around but couldn't break out of Bolg bear hug physically.

Legolas wrecks.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Legolas wrecks. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?
Experience, skill, agility, enhanced senses and even strength. Lego would dance around Skull.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Experience, skill, agility, enhanced senses and even strength. Lego would dance around Skull. He didn't even dance around Bolg. This isn't some random schlub from Lotr.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't even dance around Bolg. This isn't some random schlub from Lotr.
He beat Bolg with a fair bit to spare, danced around him, showed comparable strength and was throwing him around. Bolg landed one or two clean blows and Lego got up straight away iirc.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
He beat Bolg with a fair bit to spare, danced around him, showed comparable strength and was throwing him around. Bolg landed one or two clean blows and Lego got up straight away iirc. Legolas didn't dance around him he eventually prevailed. To act like he ran over him like a noob is a complete fabrication. Sure we get he's better but tot he degree in which you are suggesting is misrepresentation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Legolas didn't dance around him he eventually prevailed. To act like he ran over him like a noob is a complete fabrication. Sure we get he's better but tot he degree in which you are suggesting is misrepresentation.
N***a please, Bolg only lasted as long as he did because the environment was being destroyed around them keeping Legolas off balance, as well as him trying to keep Thorin alive. Even then he still vastly outmanoeuvred, outfought and showed far superior skill to his opponent.

Skull had a little scrap with Cap and at best showed probably slightly superior strength to Legolas, but pretty much every other stat goes against him.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
N***a please, Bolg only lasted as long as he did because the environment was being destroyed around them keeping Legolas off balance, as well as him trying to keep Thorin alive. Even then he still vastly outmanoeuvred, outfought and showed far superior skill to his opponent.

Skull had a little scrap with Cap and at best showed probably slightly superior strength to Legolas, but pretty much every other stat goes against him. Bolg fought him in the second film as well. Excuses. If he danced around him to the degree in which you exaggerated he'd have been dead in seconds. Cap would 10/10 Bolg and Legolas at the same time, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bolg fought him in the second film as well. Excuses. If he danced around him to the degree in which you exaggerated he'd have been dead in seconds. Cap would 10/10 Bolg and Legolas at the same time, sport.
Lol 2nd film where Bolg had help, environmental distractions wouldn't be an issue in a forum fight. Yes Cap should beat Bolg with his shield but Cap > Red Skull so that's a moot point.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol 2nd film where Bolg had help, environmental distractions wouldn't be an issue in a forum fight. Yes Cap should beat Bolg with his shield but Cap > Red Skull so that's a moot point. Cap would decimate them both is the point. Red Skull is on his level Legolas isn't.

Legolas took punches the were able to crack solid rock and concrete iirc. Lego has decent strength too, enough to compete and more than enough speed and skill to defeat Red Skull.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Legolas took punches the were able to crack solid rock and concrete iirc. Lego has decent strength too, enough to compete and more than enough speed and skill to defeat Red Skull. You said he'd dance circles around him and now you've retreated to he barely wins. Progress.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Legolas took punches the were able to crack solid rock and concrete iirc. Lego has decent strength too, enough to compete and more than enough speed and skill to defeat Red Skull.

It's been a while since I watched the Hobbit movies. But I can't really remember Legolas taking punches (plural). I remember him getting tossed around and then getting slugged once by Bolg in Desolation but that's it.

There was an ambiguous scene in Armies where it looked like he could have gotten slugged, but it also looked like he dodged it by falling back.

I also don't recall Bolg's punches smashing concrete (or that even concrete existed in Middle Earth, as it is a composite material mix of cement, aggregates and water, I mean I know it was used for a long time in our world, but I can't remember when structures weren't using brick/stone and mortar construction in Middle Earth) in the movies. Pls post where this happened?