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Happens in the city.

Who wins?

Don't care about how powerful they are currently...

TMNT's versions of Rhino and Killer Croc ain't beating Shredder.........

Tentacle thing in a crotch was beating him.

Was surprised how badly Shredder was getting beaten on. Turtles managing to beat him made Shredder look bad by proxy, imo..

Scans?

http://www.readcomics.net/images/manga/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2011/43/22.jpg

Not his proudest moment.

Turtles went on to finish what he couldn't, and he was saved by Baxter Stockman, twice.

It's time for a new archnemesis for turtles, then.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e9/Hotheadtmntnes.png/revision/latest?cb=20120509031938

*sigh* Most underused character ever.

They should be able to beat krang at the least. The only real advantage that he had over shredder was being physically superior and quite frankly, bebop and rocksteady are probably the two physically strongest characters in their universe right now. Seriously, they beat down all four of the turtles, slash, alopex, old hob, and the entire lineup of the mighty mutanimals at the same time. That's without even noting that they took minigun bullets, electrocution by telephone poles, some serious hits from a non holding back splinter, a high powered taser to the neck, and a condemned building falling on them and they were still conscious. Hell, in their first superpowered appearance they took down all of the ghost boys, a massive hit squad of foot clan ninjas, and kurai and still had a casual conversation with multiple arrows, swords, knives, daggers, and shuriken sticking out of them (rocksteady even had an ax embedded in his arm). They should win based off of their crazy stats and solid teamwork.

Thinking about it, Shredder doesn't have too many really good showings. At least, not in the main series.

Best feat was probably fighting Krang to a draw, where he cut his legs out from under him and held him at sword point, while Krang also had him as gun point.

Splinter was already in bad shape when Shredder beat him.

Shredder did beat all four turtles in the gauntlet, which sounds impressive on paper.. But, every one of them landed attacks, including Mikey. Fact is, if they teamed up on him they probably could have won, instead of going at him one at a time (Like they defeated Krang.)

^ In TMNT #50, Shredder sonned all of the Turtles when they attacked him simultaneously. Yes, they each landed a few blows, but he beat them nonetheless. Immediately afterward he fought Splinter, and also had him beaten until he stopped to monologue/job(as all villains do.) He also had Krang beaten in TMNT #37.

Anyway, Bebop and Rocksteady are physical powerhouses with absolutely ridiculous damage-soak... They're just stupid as hell, is all. That said, I don't know if Shredder and Krang are even capable of producing enough damage to put them down... Even the rockets/explosives that Krang packs in his armor would likely be laughed at. I mean, they tanked Metalhead-Donnie's kamikaze detonation, ffs.

Where would you rank bebop and rocksteady in kmc's tiers?

mid-to-high meta, most likely.

Interesting. And who would you say is their closest peer?

Not an exaggeration to put then on Cage's tier, on average (Excluding Bendis).

Bullets, rockets, lasers, and a building getting dumped on them couldn't really cause much damage. In fact, they had so high a damage threshhold, robot Donnies suicide explosion probably should have been bigger to damage them to the point where flesh and blood Donnie could finish them..

Hard to say. I mean, aside from pummeling the shit out of the Turtles and beating hordes of Foot Soldiers, they can also obliterate stone walls/buildings with casual punches, toss cars around like baseballs, overturn the boxcars of a train just by slamming opponents into them, etc. They've also tanked numerous types of explosions, multi-story buildings collapsing on them, high-power lasers, high-voltage electrocution, etc.

Hell, where durability is concerned, this scene says it all:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221798_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221804_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-017.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221812_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-018.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221816_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-019.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221822_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-020.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221828_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-021.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/26221831_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-023.jpg


They're pretty damned OP in current continuity. I would agree that pre-Bendis Luke Cage level is a pretty good comparison point.

Dang i didn't know bebop and rsteady were that strong. Do you have scans of them throwing cars and stuff?

Originally posted by Don Draper
Dang i didn't know bebop and rsteady were that strong. Do you have scans of them throwing cars and stuff? A few instances of them casually tossing cars:
http://i.imgur.com/sTHNjZjl.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/kTQLtUGl.jpg


Flipping a train boxcar just by slamming a few Foot Soldiers into it:
http://i.imgur.com/LvCSsNYl.jpg

IDW went full on Marvel Rhino logic for their mutations.

Without the jobbing.

Originally posted by cdtm
IDW went full on Marvel Rhino logic for their mutations.

Without the jobbing. you know that they're badass when every one of their enemies collectively crap their pants upon seeing them. They're just f*cking monsters these days and I'm loving every second of it.Originally posted by Galan007
A few instances of them casually tossing cars:
http://i.imgur.com/sTHNjZjl.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/kTQLtUGl.jpg


Flipping a train boxcar just by slamming a few Foot Soldiers into it:
http://i.imgur.com/LvCSsNYl.jpg can you post the scene of them after their fight with the foot where they're having a conversation with multiple weapons sticking out of them?

Originally posted by deathslash
can you post the scene of them after their fight with the foot where they're having a conversation with multiple weapons sticking out of them? http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312004_3640501.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312005_493507.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312006_8382812.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312007_9579528.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26312008_495848.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
^ In TMNT #50, Shredder sonned all of the Turtles when they attacked him simultaneously. Yes, they each landed a few blows, but he beat them nonetheless. Immediately afterward he fought Splinter, and also had him beaten until he stopped to monologue/job(as all villains do.) He also had Krang beaten in TMNT #37.

Anyway, Bebop and Rocksteady are physical powerhouses with absolutely ridiculous damage-soak... They're just stupid as hell, is all. That said, I don't know if Shredder and Krang are even capable of producing enough damage to put them down... Even the rockets/explosives that Krang packs in his armor would likely be laughed at. I mean, they tanked Metalhead-Donnie's kamikaze detonation, ffs.

Like you said Galan, there stupid. You even posted a scan of Karai outsmarting them. So i don't see Shredder, a man far more cunning and ruthless than Karai unable to do the same thing.

They wanted to rejoin the Foot, though.

And we've seen the far less durable shark mutant tank getting shot in the mouth, so it's debatable if even that would kill him.

Originally posted by SquallX
Like you said Galan, there stupid. You even posted a scan of Karai outsmarting them. So i don't see Shredder, a man far more cunning and ruthless than Karai unable to do the same thing. they weren't expecting her to attack them and they were trying to get back into the foot clan. That can hardly be seen as a true interpretation of how a fight would go down.

Originally posted by SquallX
Like you said Galan, there stupid. You even posted a scan of Karai outsmarting them. So i don't see Shredder, a man far more cunning and ruthless than Karai unable to do the same thing. Aside from what deathslash mentioned, do you have any thoughts as to how Shredder and Krang can put them down?

They're stronger than Krang, so physically overpowering them is out.
They've tanked high-powered explosives and bullets, so Krang's weaponry is also out.
They've tanked shots to their 'weak points' from Splinter himself, and shit-stomped the Turtles effortlessly, so Shredder's MA is out.
Shredder's stabby-stabs are also out, as the duo have tanked far worse w/o so much as flinching.

Damn, Shredder doesent get much love in this series does he?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Damn, Shredder doesent get much love in this series does he?

Nah, he's one of the stronger Shredder's. Bebop and Rocksteady are basically toon forcers.

He did take down the turtles pretty easily. Leo usually beats him by himself.

And Splinter was struggling pretty hard. I still say Utrom Shredder is the apex version, but IDW isn't far off.

Utrom Shredder was a reveal worse than Fake Mandarin in IM3.

The thing I didn't like, was that plot device sword. The things some sort of ancient, all powerful relic, and Shredder simply handed it to Leo, to prove he's not such a bad guy, or something?

And then Splinter beat those elemental samurai, and Leo took down Shredder.

remember the turtles ultimate form. I actually like that part, I know some hardcore fans that hated that twist though.