Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

So I decided I wanted there to be a thread for unorthodox or generally looked down upon opinions. Please don't judge people. This is a safe space.

My Own.

Dooku is the most technically skilled duelist in Galactic History.
Galen is Yoda level in the Force.
Ventress is Mace/Anakin level as a duelist.
Grievous could beat Anakin/Mace in a straight out lightsaber duel.
Savage is not as technically skilled as ILS believes.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Ant is bootyfull. excuse me?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
excuse me?

Huh?

DMB thinking Bane can kill Mace

Neph thinking DOE Bane kills Maul/Savage and Zannah can beat Caedus

Any opinion by Legend, Ancientpower, DMB, and Neph tbh

Originally posted by Syndicate
Huh? thx

I was hoping for a brawl there, Joker. Would have been entertaining.

He'd be dead before he could even properly defend himself, wouldn't be much of a brawl, tbh.

Do what must be done, King Joker. Do not hesitate, show no mercy. Only then will you be strong enough to save Ant from his ban.

He's definitely not.



Based on their respective showings against Sidious, he's definitely not.



She's definitely not.



He definitely can't.



You're wrong. About everything you say.

Cool story bro. Got any unorthodox opinions yourself?

Originally posted by carthage
DMB thinking Bane can kill Mace

Neph thinking DOE Bane kills Maul/Savage and Zannah can beat Caedus

Any opinion by Legend, Ancientpower, DMB, and Neph tbh Lmao, that's not how the thread works.

Bane can kill Mace

DOE Bane kills Maul/Savage

Zannah can beat Caedus

tbh

Kenobi is not just Soresu or gtfo. And he doesn't get ragdolled by everyone decently powerful.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Savage is not as technically skilled as ILS believes. All I've ever said is that he's a master duelist, a master of the saberstaff, who doesn't rely totally on strength for his victories. Essentially he's not just a retarded warthog with lightsabers taped to his legs.

I guess that's giving the big guy too much credit?

Scourge is only a notch above Darth Maul as a duelist.
Palpatine is above Revan.
Darth Caedus can hold his own against Darth Malgus.
Obi-Wan Kenobi defeats Kas'im.
Yoda can defeat Darth Zannah, Kas'im and Raskta Lsu at once.
Darth Bane can contend with Arcann.

Palpatine is easily above revan

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Kenobi is not just Soresu or gtfo. And he doesn't get ragdolled by everyone decently powerful.

True, going with this as well.

Originally posted by ILS
All I've ever said is that he's a master duelist, a master of the saberstaff, who doesn't rely totally on strength for his victories. Essentially he's not just a retarded warthog with lightsabers taped to his legs.

I guess that's giving the big guy too much credit?

No judgement. :P

OK lets see now.

The Ones (Son & Daughter specifically) are extremely powerful, but they don't godstomp everyone.

Darth Sion isn't fodder, and can actually handle a lightsaber.

Darth Jadus is a Vader+ tier Force user.

Darth Bane is more powerful than Dooku.

Vader's prime is not Star Wars Rebels.

& Ahsoka is a goddess (soon to be mainstream opinion )

You think Jadus is Vader tier + force user? Elaborate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You think Jadus is Vader tier + force user? Elaborate.

This is a safe space skillz.

Who said I disagree with him? SWTOR ftw.

Speaking of SWTOR aren't you supposed to be enlightening me? :P

Very soon, yes.

Valkorion is significantly better than Sidious in the Force.

All will bow to the Godlander in time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
& Ahsoka is a goddess (soon to be mainstream opinion )

Originally posted by Nephthys
Valkorion is significantly better than Sidious in the Force.

Doesn't belong in this thread.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You think Jadus is Vader tier + force user? Elaborate. Well his mere presence caused suffering to those around him, he could mentally enslave others to his will and did so to the 1,000 passengers aboard his ship, he can render himself incorporeal within the blink of an eye, and use TK in this form, a mere expression of his anger caused his 600 meter dreadnought to shake, which he was capable of holding together in the aftermath of an explosion that seemingly obliterated it.

Some of these feats are feasible for Vader, but most of them are beyond him are far as I'm concerned, he's certainly never been seen accomplishing any of them.

For those reasons I say + Vader tier. But I'm not confident he has enough showings to put him above or on the same level as the likes of Revan or Krayt. Despite that though a lot of people put him below FE Malgus, and worse.Originally posted by |King Joker|
https://media.giphy.com/media/QmeB1Hr5fz7a0/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The Ones (Son & Daughter specifically) are extremely powerful, but they don't godstomp everyone.

Makes sense, tbh.



I guess that's dependent on how you classify fodder.



Nawwwwwww



Nawwwwwww



I think the point of this is misunderstood. I don't think Filoni was saying it's all downhill from Rebels, but rather that his edge dulled after learning of Luke's existence.

I put FE Malgus above Jadus, but I have both of them alongside Yoda in Tier 8 (Tier 9 being Bane, Revan, Arcann, Luke and Palpatine, and tier 10 Valkorion).

Anyone who can solo Yoda and Sidious at the same time can godstomp just about anyone not named the Outlander.

It wasn't even Filoni who said Rebels was Vader's prime, Sas, it was Hidalgo.

Also
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Darth Bane is more powerful than Dooku

Yeah, the Son and Daughter would indeed god stomp anybody. Whether it be Luke, Sidious, or even Valkorion.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I guess that's dependent on how you classify fodder.It's certainly relative but I wouldn't put him beneath the likes of DS Bastila or even Ventress as others have.

I certainly don't assume that because he's got so many injuries, he's a shit duelist.Search your feelings. You know it to be true.I understand the point, and I disagree.Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anyone who can solo Yoda and Sidious at the same time can godstomp just about anyone not named the Outlander. Anyone being Anakin with his powers fully realised, not the Ones.

It just said Anakin imbued with the "very essence of the Dark Side," i.e. the Son, not Anakin at his full potential.

Oh yes, that leap in logic makes absolute sense.

Understand that Anakin is the Chosen One, he is an immense conduit for the Force that can be done wonders with if properly tapped into.

Even if the Son was empowering him (though personally I think he just helped him fully realise his powers as his presence is seldom mentioned) he'd still surpass anything the Son, or any of the Ones, are capable of alone.

So you think Valkorion could give the Son a fight?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Oh yes, that leap in logic makes absolute sense.

Understand that Anakin is the Chosen One, he is an immense conduit for the Force that can be done wonders with if properly tapped into.
But the Son isn't? Even though he's supposed to be the Dark Side itself? M'kay.

Did you miss the part where, simply by tapping into the Mortis nexus, Anakin stomped the Son and Daughter simultaneously? He's obviously far more potent a conduit, and far stronger a Force user when given a boost.

Regardless that's besides the point, 1 + 1 equals 2, funnily enough. The Son + the power of Anakin is going to be stronger than the Son alone.

@Skillz, yes, though he would lose 10/10.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Did you miss the part where, simply by tapping into the Mortis nexus, Anakin stomped the Son and Daughter simultaneously? He's obviously far more potent a conduit, and far stronger a Force user when given a boost.

That wasn't what I asked. Anakin may be a great conduit for controlling BOTH sides of the Force, but he's dealing with one here.

Which is not what's said. It's just Anakin channeling the Dark Side.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That wasn't what I asked. Anakin may be a great conduit for controlling BOTH sides of the Force, but he's dealing with one here. OK, but Anakin is a great conduit for the Force full stop frankly - in all its aspects.

And I'd say being literally the Force incarnate > being the dark side incarnate metaphorically. No you said, and I quote it's 'Anakin imbued with the "very essence of the Dark Side," i.e. the Son' - if you want to change the goal posts and say it was Anakin alone, then fine. But in remains an assumption to conclude that the Son > DS Chosen One on little more than personal belief and in the face of Mortakin stomping both in and the Daughter at once.

I think Fresh is meaning that full!potential Anakin > Son & Daughter =/> regular Anakin channeling The Son.

Now if it's full!potential Anakin + Son? Then yeah, I agree. But I'm not sure the text indicates either way.

I would merely point out their is nothing regular about Anakin stomping Yoda and Sidious. Either way we are witnessing Anakin with his powers of the dark side fully realised.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I would merely point out their is nothing regular about Anakin stomping Yoda and Sidious. Either way we are witnessing Anakin with his powers of the dark side fully realised.

Well sure but that might merely be the product of borrowed powers from The Son. I dunno, haven't read that infinities thing in ages.

Following:

Valkorion is in the league of Abeloth and The Ones

Palpatine (Dark Empire) > Luke Skywalker

Darth Malgus > Darth Vader

Arcann is on par with Darth Plagueis

Vaylin > Darth Vader

Revan is in the league of Yoda

Darth Jadus > Darth Vader

Exar Kun > Darth Vader

Darth Nox (augmented by the power of several ghosts) > Darth Plagueis

Darth Krayt is in the league of Luke Skywalker

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a powerful Jedi

Tulak Hord > Darth Plagueis

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion is in the league of Abeloth and The Ones

meh. When looking at it from your point of view, him being comparable to Abeloth is understandable enough. The other Ones should still be out of his reach, though, unless you're in support of the idea that Abeloth is stronger than her children?



Very understandable. Even if he doesn't have Luke's raw power and balance, his unrestricted acceptance of the dark side could very well make him a more formidable foe.



I thought this was a fairly common stance. One I've always disagreed with, but common nonetheless.



Even though she was defeated by Senya?







This was the majority group not long ago, and is still fairly persistent.



Yaaaaaas



I wish I could say that this wasn't unorthodox.

Kyp Durron > Count Dooku

Most of the battles on this forum where people say Character X stomps Character Y would not actually end in a stomp. The weaker character would probably be able to put up a fight and hold out for a while. The weaker character might even be able to win under certain circumstances.

That's not an unorthodox opinion. We say they stomp because the advantage is so obvious, no one sees the point in actually debating it. Unless it's Kanan, obviously.

Anakin Skywalker surpasses Yoda in raw power.
Darth Plagueis is more powerful than Vitiate.
Darth Caedus would defeat novel Vitiate.
Kyp Durron is more powerful than Darth Vader.
Darth Vader is above Revan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Anakin Skywalker surpasses Yoda in raw power.



Originally posted by The Ellimist
Darth Plagueis is more powerful than Vitiate.



Originally posted by The Ellimist
Darth Caedus would defeat novel Vitiate.



Originally posted by The Ellimist
Kyp Durron is more powerful than Darth Vader.



Originally posted by The Ellimist
Darth Vader is above Revan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Anakin Skywalker surpasses Yoda in raw power.





Yeah, I suppose that's pretty unorthodox.



It's possible, if Drew's writing Vitiate during the fight.



*gufaws*



Not unorthodox at all; half the forum thinks so.

Kyp Durron replicated the black hole feat with greater ease than Luke did, lmao.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Anakin Skywalker surpasses Yoda in raw power.
Darth Plagueis is more powerful than Vitiate.
Darth Caedus would defeat novel Vitiate.
Kyp Durron is more powerful than Darth Vader.
Darth Vader is above Revan.
Yes
Maybe
Maybe
No
Yes

1) Darth Malgus can't win against Yoda.
2) Revan doesn't win more than 6/10 against Yoda.
3) Darth Malgus beats Darth Nyriss.
4) Lana Beniko stomps Plo Koon in the Force.
5) Even by the novel, Vitiate was already equal to DE Palpatine.
6) Dread Masters can actually stomp Palpatine in TP.

Originally posted by NewGuy01

*gufaws*


If you want to belittle Kyp's competence as a combatant, go ahead. But his raw power is pretty firmly established, lol.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yes
Maybe
Maybe
No
Yes

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If you want to belittle Kyp's competence as a combatant, go ahead. But his raw power is pretty firmly established, lol.

Oh, true; depending on your interpretation of pre-Mustifar compared to post, Kyp having more raw power than Vader is agreeably a justified stance.

But the word "powerful" can be either specific or vague depending on how it's used. It's often used as a word for general superiority, so using it may cause confusion if you were only referring to raw power.

Who even cares about Legends Vader? We all know being made a cripple only makes you more powerful.

Legends Vader is still more powerful. TFU feats > the new Vader comic feats.

Nah canon Vader is more powerful due to other bad showings in legends material

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Legends Vader is still more powerful. TFU feats > the new Vader comic feats.
Losing and tripping over your own arm doesn't make you more impressive, lel.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's definitely not.



Based on their respective showings against Sidious, he's definitely not.



She's definitely not.



He definitely can't.



You're wrong. About everything you say.

Care to prove me wrong Nuisance?

Originally posted by Rebel95
Nah canon Vader is more powerful due to other bad showings in legends material

*cough* Rebels

Rebels isn't a bad showing, lel. It's how you compare to everyone else in the medium you're in, not to yourself in a different medium that uses different themes.

I agree with what you said about Dooku and Savage

Sidious could have killed Windu in their fight whenever he wanted with the force and with sabers for the first 30 seconds until Windu got Vaapad boost.

Dooku was holding back in the first half of his fight in RotS

Ahsoka is overrated

Bane is underrated

This isn't unorthodox at all. It's stupid, though.



Well, I mean, we see the fight from his perspective.



By who?



By who?

Originally posted by Kurk
Sidious could have killed Windu in their fight whenever he wanted with the force and with sabers. for the first 30 seconds until Windu got Vaapad boost.
Fixed.

@NewGuy: Anyone who thinks she's good, and anyone who thinks he isn't great, respectively.

Luke Skywalker could solo the Brotherhood of Darkness

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This isn't unorthodox at all. It's stupid, though.



Well, I mean, we see the fight from his perspective.



By who?



By who?
According to Quanchi

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Fixed.
Sidious could have overpowered him with force powers whenever he wished. Same with sabers until Windu was amped as shown during the point when he thrusts the saber at his chest and doesn't go for the kill. After that point, Windu got his amp and they were fighting on the same level with sabers. This is Antoine Bandele's opinion who I praise like a god.

Originally posted by Kurk
This is Antoine Bandele's opinion who I praise like a god.
Cringe.

Qui Gon is above Nyriss
Darth Maul would defeat Malgus
Vader could split odds with novel Vitiate
Peak Luke could beat RotJ Sidious and Vader
Palpatine's Empire could defeat the Rataka

1, 3, and 4 are disgusting. 2 and 5 are straight up true, LEL.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Qui Gon is above Nyriss
Darth Maul would defeat Malgus
Vader could split odds with novel Vitiate
Peak Luke could beat RotJ Sidious and Vader
Palpatine's Empire could defeat the Rataka
This actually solidifies your status as the most retarded member of all time.

Say what you want about Beni, Legend, or even Revanchiste... this tops the cake.

I kind of feel ashamed for saying Ell is a top debater what with his recent posts...

You should.

I read the post incorrectly. I thought he said Palpatine could defeat the Rakata, rofl.

Makes more sense now, but still pretty lame.

Obi Wan could beat Windu in a lightsaber duel
Darth Vader could stalemate rots Yoda
Rotj Luke is underrated
Darth Malgus would beat Dooku

correct tho

Originally posted by Rebel95
Darth Vader could stalemate rots Yoda
Oh shit, rofl.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Oh shit, rofl.
Hey Dooku did it in aotc (even though he ended up running like a *****)

Originally posted by Syndicate
I kind of feel ashamed for saying Ell is a top debater what with his recent posts...

Too late.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I read the post incorrectly. I thought he said Palpatine could defeat the Rakata, rofl.

Makes more sense now, but still pretty lame.

> calls me retarded
> can't figure out the possessive noun

The Lord Gideon did not bless you with the fires of intellect he hath bestowed on me.

Your dead god sits on a throne of lies. He hath given you naught but failure.

Have you ever seen Lord Gideon and Jesus in the same room? uhuh

You'd think so, he was saying his name enough.

That doesn't even make any sense, lmao.

yeah

I get what you were trying to express, the most common pun tbh

but u worded it terribly

darth vader has above average speed and atleast closing in on average agility
palpatine is a master duelist that didn't look into it enough to fix any of his faults relying solely on his force abilities to improve
mace windu only developed vapaad because of his constant connection to the darkside but study in the light giving him a large immunity to darkness
darth maul is dooku tier in force abilities
dooku is good at deflection and redirection
darth krayt can fight on even ground with palpatine until force lighting
the ones can be beaten by palpatine and luke
ahsoka isn't able to beat darth vader in a one on one no matter how fast she is
and midichlorians arent terrible, but they are highly flaud since yoda should have a higher count than sidious and one next to Anakin as well as Anakin should be able to break through anyones force walls with ease, and grievous is on par with windu while hes wielding vapaad(first cartoon not clone wars)

Originally posted by TgKWindRenegade
darth vader has above average speed and atleast closing in on average agility


He's likely way above average in both.



agree with these

Originally posted by Rebel95
Obi Wan could beat Windu in a lightsaber duel
Darth Vader could stalemate rots Yoda
Rotj Luke is underrated
Darth Malgus would beat Dooku ob1 is able to defend himself from all 20-per second attacks from grievous and dookus mikashi onslaught so it wouldn't surprise me seeing as ob1 is essentially a young, less powerful, human yoda. maces vaapad wouldn't be enough. darth vader would beat him if yoda is aggressive but seeing as how he is I'd think not sorry, damn right he's underrated I mean 5 years of extreme consistent training by yoda would make you into a monster. dooku is weak against power opponents and malgus is certantly above Anakin in dueling abilities. overall great opinions.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He's likely way above average in both.


ah, but im talking about consistent not burst. im under the impression he has the speed and agility(being able to use djem so "parkour" moves when he wants) but doesn't abuse them unlike how I would.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I kind of feel ashamed for saying Ell is a top debater what with his recent posts... lol I still don't know who he is

Originally posted by TgKWindRenegade
ob1 is able to defend himself from all 20-per second attacks from grievous and dookus mikashi onslaught so it wouldn't surprise me seeing as ob1 is essentially a young, less powerful, human yoda. maces vaapad wouldn't be enough. darth vader would beat him if yoda is aggressive but seeing as how he is I'd think not sorry, damn right he's underrated I mean 5 years of extreme consistent training by yoda would make you into a monster. dooku is weak against power opponents and malgus is certantly above Anakin in dueling abilities. overall great opinions.
Thanks. You think Vader would win if Yoda is aggressive? Explain

Originally posted by Rebel95
Thanks. You think Vader would win if Yoda is aggressive? Explain yodas old age hampers his ability albeit only because of his back problems, but vader would be able to counter because hes great with soresu, hes a practitioner of mikashi, and djem so, his strength would hurt yoda even if defending as well as vader constant painkillers giving him nearly unlimited stamina. soresu as in being able to block most of yodas attacks, mikashi to open him up for a ruthless assault of djem so and his unlimited stamina. But if im wrong about anything please tell me.

Originally posted by TgKWindRenegade
yodas old age hampers his ability albeit only because of his back problems,

Hm. Vader has arm-and-leg-and-everything-else problems.



You sure, bro? He's also got some terrible asthma.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Hm. Vader has arm-and-leg-and-everything-else problems.



You sure, bro? He's also got some terrible asthma. but his cybernetics give him a large amount of strength and durability the only thing hampering him are his respirator problems now. yodas back problems are only subdued by use of physical augmentation where as vader now doesn't need to augment his strength or jumps, albeit his speed is a problem his familiarity with ataru compensates for physical shortcomings. asthma? nah jk I know that's a joke but his suit is a walking iron lung with some enhancements.

You talk as if the force wasn't superior to shoddy cybernetics.

Prob not very unorthodox, but the idea that any "bounty hunter" or other non-Force sensitive could defeat a trained Force user in a fair fight, barring some especially exotic weaponry, is ridiculous and honestly strains my suspension of disbelief. There's no reason why Obi Wan couldn't have just pinned Jango to the floor the instant he saw him.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Prob not very unorthodox, but the idea that any "bounty hunter" or other non-Force sensitive could defeat a trained Force user in a fair fight, barring some especially exotic weaponry, is ridiculous and honestly strains my suspension of disbelief. There's no reason why Obi Wan couldn't have just pinned Jango to the floor the instant he saw him. Agreed 100%.

You just triggered Zenwolf.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You talk as if the force wasn't superior to shoddy cybernetics. not just any shoddy cybernetics lets not forget Anakin was still a powerful force sensitive even with his crippling injuries... I mean just because he doesn't use physical augmentation at the level he used to doesn't mean he dropped the practice, it just means its used less than before.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Prob not very unorthodox, but the idea that any "bounty hunter" or other non-Force sensitive could defeat a trained Force user in a fair fight, barring some especially exotic weaponry, is ridiculous and honestly strains my suspension of disbelief. There's no reason why Obi Wan couldn't have just pinned Jango to the floor the instant he saw shim. lhh true, but isn't there a thing going around about strong minded and strong willed subjects being hard to rag-doll with the force?

Originally posted by TgKWindRenegade
lhh true, but isn't there a thing going around about strong minded and strong willed subjects being hard to rag-doll with the force?

Yeah, but if someone like Vader can ragdoll General Kota, and Dooku can ragdoll Obi Wan, there's no way a non-Force sensitive would be so strong willed they couldn't be ragdolled by said characters.

KotOR II is one of the best, if not the best, Star Wars games ever released.

Revan's a boring as **** Mary Sue that I couldn't give a shit about.

Vanilla SWTOR is better than every expansion they've released.

Episode 7 gets worse and worse, the more the nostalgia wears off and the more you actually think about it.

Star Wars is slowly dying, in terms of fresh and interesting storytelling.

Rebels is utter trash, Ahsoka should have died in the Clone Wars, executed and proven innocent after, but Filoni's hard-on for her and the attempt to drag her into rebels got in the way of emotive and good storytelling...

That's it really.

Originally posted by Selenial
Rebels is utter trash, Ahsoka should have died in the Clone Wars, executed and proven innocent after, but Filoni's hard-on for her and the attempt to drag her into rebels got in the way of emotive and good storytelling...

You know what I really like about Ahsoka? That she is really, really close to Anakin, yet she had nothing to do with his fall, nor his redemption.

10/10 useless character.

I personally would've preferred if:
a.) Ahsoka turned to the Dark side and became Dooku's new apprentice
b.) She and Lux betrothed each other
c.) Ahsoka killed herself
d.) Ahsoka went on a suicide-murder mission to kill the jedi council members

Originally posted by Kurk
I personally would've preferred if:
a.) Ahsoka turned to the Dark side and became Dooku's new apprentice
b.) She and Lux betrothed each other
c.) Ahsoka killed herself
d.) Ahsoka went on a suicide-murder mission to kill the jedi council members

That actually wouldn't have been a bad idea, although I would think Anakin would be the one to kill her in the end, not her killing herself.

But it would perhaps foreshadow Anakin's apprenticeship to Sidious, given that she would be leaving her master for another, as Anakin did Obi-Wan.

Her views being of a similar mind to Anakin later on.

In what universe do you two live in where Ahsoka would choose Dooku, of all people, ever Anakin?

Maybe he likes soft cocks. Should ask Joker about it.

Originally posted by Selenial
KotOR II is one of the best, if not the best, Star Wars games ever released.

Yeah...



Pretty much. Meetra sucks too, though.



...possibly.



I think everyone is agreed here.



This is definitely unorthodox. Most people think it's been long dead.

Revan, Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Krayt, Valkorion, Kun, Caedus, Plagueis, Lord Nyax, Talzin, C'boath, Darish Vol, Taalon, Muur, Ragnos, Nadd and Vader are far closer together in power than many would like to believe.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
In what universe do you two live in where Ahsoka would choose Dooku, of all people, ever Anakin?

Called corruption, wouldn't be the first time.

Ahsoka can't be corrupted. She's too pure.

*cough*Mortis*cough*

Well, *after* Mortis she's too pure to be corrupted.

>implying this face could be anything but pure

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_i_mHP3u5W9E/TUzh6zpJeYI/AAAAAAAAAJY/mfwJKcjxREY/s1600/Altar37.jpg

Unorthodox opinion. That pic's scary.

Unorthodox opinion. Joker and Aurbere should be shot. We cannot allow gayism to break down the wall that have been built to separate man from beast.

Only if I can shove my cock up LeGenD's ass first

i don't know about everyone else, but im not big on shooting animals either

#****thatkidsavetheape

I'm telling you, Dooku + Ahsoka would make such a badass team. Dress Ahsoka up in a some fancy louis vuitton apparel to match Dooku and dayumn. I'd tap that any day.

Seriously, She'd be his most powerful apprentice. With Dooku's Sith/Jedi knowledge + Former training from Anakin, Ahsoka would be unstoppable!

I'm going to fantasize about this now

We know what that fantasizing involves, and it's gross.

Originally posted by Selenial
Ahsoka should have died in the Clone Wars, executed and proven innocent after, but Filoni's hard-on for her and the attempt to drag her into rebels got in the way of emotive and good storytelling... How would that good storytelling Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You know what I really like about Ahsoka? That she is really, really close to Anakin, yet she had nothing to do with his fall, nor his redemption.

10/10 useless character. Lol, people really don't understand this character.

It would be good story telling because it shows the faults of the Jedi and makes Anakin's obsession make more sense.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It would be good story telling because it shows the faults of the Jedi and makes Anakin's obsession make more sense.



The whole arc was about the Jedi falling from grace. Good storytelling would be actually showing flaws in your protagonists instead of making their imperfections have no consequences. If the Jedi had been so insistent on pleasing the Senate that they got Ahsoka killed, Anakin's fall and lack of trust in the Jedi would make a lot more sense.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It would be good story telling because it shows the faults of the Jedi and makes Anakin's obsession make more sense ahsoka dies.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah...

Can't tell if agreeing or nah.



Agreed, tbh, but also not mmm

Traya made her character interesting, even if she herself really wasn't.




You'd be surprised.



Nah, there was definitely some decent stuff coming out before the Disney takeover.

Originally posted by Selenial


The whole arc was about the Jedi falling from grace. Good storytelling would be actually showing flaws in your protagonists instead of making their imperfections have no consequences. If the Jedi had been so insistent on pleasing the Senate that they got Ahsoka killed, Anakin's fall and lack of trust in the Jedi would make a lot more sense.

That not what the arc is about, that's the backdrop; rather it's the culmination of Ahsoka's hero's journey, of her story arc, where she realises the Jedi are shite and makes the decision to leave them. Having Ahsoka die before that revelation and resolution therefore would be to spoil her personal narrative quite completely.

This is what I mean when I say people don't get Ahsoka, and TCW itself for that matter. What people don't understand is that TCW is her story, she is the primary protagonist, not Anakin, not Kenobi, Ahsoka, their fates are sealed, their stories have already been told; this about what happens to a budding Jedi against the backdrop of a false war, a failing Jedi, a corrupt Senate and a cast of characters doomed to various extremities. So to kill her off in this manner would essentially be akin to having Luke die at Palpatine's hands to make Vader realise what a terrible person he'd become i.e. stupid (because first and foremost it isn't Vader's story, it's Luke's).

And for what? To "show the faults of the Jedi"? As if we haven't already seen them, and as if kicking Ahsoka out of the Order then having the hubris to invite her back in like it was all just a big trial didn't demonstrate that quite plainly.

And as for giving weight to Anakin's issues with the Jedi, lawls, as if the Council again kicking Ahsoka out of the Order was not sufficient. Indeed if Ahsoka had died as if he wouldn't have pissed off immediately, and/or gone dark side. That would have been too much, and would have made Anakin's growing anger and mistrust towards the Jedi rather bizarre and redundant.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This is what I mean when I say people don't get Ahsoka, and TCW itself for that matter. What people don't understand is that TCW is her story, she is the primary protagonist.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/43/35/34/433534dc8970c9649a0e3f88cd9d0a38.jpg

Originally posted by Beniboybling


That not what the arc is about, that's the backdrop; rather it's the culmination of Ahsoka's hero's journey, of her story arc, where she realises the Jedi are shite and makes the decision to leave them. Having Ahsoka die before that revelation therefore would be to spoil her personal narrative quite completely.
Yeah, as emotionally powerful a moment as Ahsoka's death and Anakin flipping out would be, I feel like that would be a bit too heavy. Like if Ahsoka was legit killed, I almost feel like Anakin's reaction to that would disrupt his relationship with the order a little too much for the rest of the story to make sense. As less spectacular as it is for Anakin, I feel like the more subtle nature of him feeling completely helpless, not to the point of rage but by the fact that he's constrained by somebody else's completely justified rage, and is losing someone even though he managed to save them.

Aside from Anakin though, yeah, you are completely right about how it wouldn't do Ahsoka's character justice, with the emotionally powerful moment of her leaving the Jedi Order, and for both Ahsoka and Anakin, it allows for their reunion and another emotionally powerful scene, as well as for the best episode in Rebels and the best fight scene in Rebels.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And this is what I mean when I say people don't get Ahsoka, and TCW itself for that matter. What people don't understand is that TCW is her story, she is the primary protagonist, not Anakin, not Kenobi, Ahsoka, their fates are sealed, their stories have already been told; this about what happens to a budding Jedi against the backdrop of a false war, a failing Jedi, a corrupt Senate and a cast of characters doomed to various extremities. So to kill her off in this manner would essentially be akin to having Luke die at the end of the RotJ for the sake of foil characters i.e. stupid.
I wouldn't agree with you about Ahsoka being the primary protagonist, or even there being a single primary protagonist in general, I feel like TCW revolved around a few main characters, of which Ahsoka and Anakin happen to be two. I do agree with the point you're making about Ahsoka having her own story, and being developed as more than a mere foil to Anakin however. I would think the several episodes where she appears with minimal involvement from Anakin should be proof enough of this, yet people seem to think she's only a foil for Anakin for some reason.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And for what? To "show the faults of the Jedi"? As if we haven't already seen them, and as if kicking Ahsoka out of the Order then having the hubris to invite her back in like it was all just a big trial didn't demonstrate that quite plainly.
Yeah Ahsoka, a teenage padawan, calling them on their shit and up and leaving was pretty damn effective.

And as far as the faults of the Jedi go... we kinda see them more and more with all the retarded shit Yoda does in the series, and season six specifically.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And as for giving weight to Anakin's issues the Jedi, lawls, as if the Council again kicking Ahsoka out of the Order was not sufficient. Indeed if Ahsoka had died as if he wouldn't have pissed off immediately, and/or gone dark side. That would have been too much, and would have made Anakin's growing anger and mistrust towards the Jedi rather bizarre and redundant.
Wow I came to the exact same conclusion in the beginning of my response to your comment despite not having read your whole comment first.

Beni's like the definition of a fanboy. And the fact that you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. You don't see me bitching that Vader/Anakin dies at the end of RotJ, and it's not because I had my whole life to come to terms with it. It's because it works well for that scene.

On an unrelated note, I totally called that they weren't going to actually execute Barriss.

It almost feels like some cliche bullshit where when things are uncertain and people think it might be the actually innocent good guy, they are ready to ****in kill, yet when its revealed they were wrong and incontrovertible evidence proves without a shadow of a doubt who actually did it, that's when they suddenly grow a moral backbone and decide that "killing is da wrong thing to do after all"

So when Dark Disciple revealed that the Jedi convinced the senate not to execute a definitively proven terrorist when they were perfectly fine being silent about an ambiguously innocent/guilty padawan, I wasn't surprised in the slightest.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
...the fact that you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. You don't see me bitching that Vader/Anakin Ahsoka dies doesn't die at the end of RotJ TCW, and it's not because I had my whole life to come to terms with it. It's because it works well for that scene. Lmao the sheer irony.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah, as emotionally powerful a moment as Ahsoka's death and Anakin flipping out would be, I feel like that would be a bit too heavy. Like if Ahsoka was legit killed, I almost feel like Anakin's reaction to that would disrupt his relationship with the order a little too much for the rest of the story to make sense. As less spectacular as it is for Anakin, I feel like the more subtle nature of him feeling completely helpless, not to the point of rage but by the fact that he's constrained by somebody else's completely justified rage, and is losing someone even though he managed to save them.Exactly, sacrificing Ahsoka's character for the sake of stuff that just isn't as important, doesn't make any sense, especially when those aspects of essentially satisfied regardless.

Entirely agree on Ahsoka vs Vader as well, that was the perfect ending for the character, and an appropriate one too, because Rebels isn't her story, she's the mentor figure now, so she pulled a Kenobi.Well this isn't just my opinion, Dave, Ashley, the SW Insider etc. have all made similar points, but I get you, TCW isn't particularly centralised. However if you had to identify a primary protagonist, it would be Ahsoka tbh. She is the only one who significantly develops over the course of the plot, everyone else is fairly static, and many of them are just reinforcing trodden ground.

Which is why its important her story was given full culmination and closure.Especially when you consider where she started out from, she's come full circle as it were.And in Dark Disciple.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao the sheer irony.
I don't care that Ahsoka didn't die, something you should think about while you look up what irony actually means; probably doesn't have anything about editing quotes in there for anybody but you. You on the other hand, go on the defensive when someone mentions it should have happened, which is hilarious to say the least.

Lol, you clearly care enough to respond in favour of her dying, them accuse me of being a fanboy for believing otherwise.

And if I believe someone's opinion to be wrong I will tell them, and then tell them why. Suck it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, you clearly care enough to respond in favour of her dying, them accuse me of being a fanboy for believing otherwise.

Because me being consistent in my ideas means I care? No, not really. You writing up a page long essay about how it's the worst thing since the Invasion of Poland? Completely different story. You are utterly a fanboy, in so many ways that it's borderline weird.

And they're always all really long winded variations of: "I like Ahsoka, so no."

Gosh take your whining elsewhere, I really don't have the patience.

He says as he writes up a thesis about why he really doesn't have time for this.

>Because your whining is relevant to the actual topic and came before my response.

Because I totally didn't respond to the topic at hand. Though I guess you are right. You being a long winded, Ahsoka idolizer is hardly an unorthodox opinion. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/3024136639.gif


As to DMB, I don't think most people thought they were going to execute Barris. Kind of against the Jedi's MO. That doesn't really mean this being the one time where they did kill someone would be bad story telling. It would kind of show just how far the Jedi have fallen during the war.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Rebels and the best fight scene in Rebels.



Which we like...barely saw and didn't get a real ending. :/

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
As to DMB, I don't think most people thought they were going to execute Barris. Kind of against the Jedi's MO. That doesn't really mean this being the one time where they did kill someone would be bad story telling. It would kind of show just how far the Jedi have fallen during the war.
That's not what I was saying. I was just saying it amused me how everyone was willing to kill Ahsoka when her guilt was ambiguous, yet when Barriss blatantly admits it was her, that's when everyone decides execution is wrong.