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Both at peak who wins ?

this has been done.
Odin wins but Mordru will make him work for it.

Mordru. Easily.

At peak Odin with his SA feats was low abstract level, this would be awesome battle, Odin wins but will have to work for it

What is Mordru's best feat?

Probably beating Thunderbolt(a 5D D'jinn.)

I thought 5D Imps were above the likes of Odin?

I guess that tells you where Mordru's highs put him.

How powerful was the thunderbolt? Anything like destroying galaxies?

Originally posted by Surtur
How powerful was the thunderbolt? Anything like destroying galaxies? Thunderbolt/Yz was equal to Lkz(another 5D D'jinn)... And the latter was able to beat/imprison Corrigan-Spectre with apparent ease:
http://i.imgur.com/jlN9jv1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bwyV7j8.jpg

I would put that beyond galaxy-level.

Thunderbolt warped entire reality in JSA.

Mordru best feat is stealing the power of Infinite Man though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thunderbolt/Yz was equal to Lkz(another 5D D'jinn)... And the latter was able to beat/imprison Corrigan-Spectre with apparent ease:
http://i.imgur.com/jlN9jv1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bwyV7j8.jpg

I would put that beyond galaxy-level.
Thunderbolt was created by the merger of Lz and Ykz.

Thunderbolt existed way before that.

Anyway, you're correct that Yz and Lkz merged... But I don't recall it ever being stated that T-bolt became more powerful as a result. If that was stated somewhere, however, then Mordru's feat obviously becomes even more impressive.

As Lkz. The recent Thunderbolt is the merger of both.

It's weird to think that merger of two imps creates a being equal to a half of that merger.

I'm not saying that T-bolt didn't become more powerful--I just don't recall it being stated, is all. It has been a long time since I read that arc in depth, though, so I could definitely be misremembering.

If it wasn't stated anywhere, then it's hard for me to just assume his power doubled(or w/e) as a result of the merger. /shrug

Just saw this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mordru best feat is stealing the power of Infinite Man though. *Half his power.

Odin and mordru would be epic

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thunderbolt warped entire reality in JSA.

Mordru best feat is stealing the power of Infinite Man though.

And fighting Glorith to a stalemate, who was Time Trapper +.

Originally posted by Galan007
Probably beating Thunderbolt(a 5D D'jinn.)

That's right. Impressed the hell out of me.

Until I thought about it. The fact is, Jakeem never actually told the thunderbolt to defend himself. And 5d imps are very, very stupid.

Side note, this isn't the only time a sorcerer affected an imp. I believe it was the same story where an obscure magic based villain imprisoned Quisp by cutting him with a knife from bones of old gods. Then there's an alternate Zatanna depowering Mxy..

Originally posted by cdtm
That's right. Impressed the hell out of me.

Until I thought about it. The fact is, Jakeem never actually told the thunderbolt to defend himself. And 5d imps are very, very stupid.

Side note, this isn't the only time a sorcerer affected an imp. I believe it was the same story where an obscure magic based villain imprisoned Quisp by cutting him with a knife from bones of old gods. Then there's an alternate Zatanna depowering Mxy..

i wouldnt say that they are stupid but that they literally cant act independently outside the 5th dimension. when the JSA travelled to the 5th dimension and the Djinn were at war they had very few problems acting independently.

also Mxy is an Imp while Thunderbolt Djinn, different species and i dont think we can say with certainty that they are on the same level. afterall Kryptonians, Martians, daxamites, Durlans and humans are all different species of the same universe and dimension and vary substantially.

Originally posted by beatboks
i wouldnt say that they are stupid but that they literally cant act independently outside the 5th dimension. when the JSA travelled to the 5th dimension and the Djinn were at war they had very few problems acting independently.

also Mxy is an Imp while Thunderbolt Djinn, different species and i dont think we can say with certainty that they are on the same level. afterall Kryptonians, Martians, daxamites, Durlans and humans are all different species of the same universe and dimension and vary substantially.

Qwsp is a 5d imp like Mxy, though. And Thunderbolt seemed to handle him allright, when he finally decided to act on his own.

But to your point about an inability to act outside the 5th dimension, that's why I question Mordru's feat. Jakeem's orders were aimed at banishing Mordru, so it's possible Thunderbolt just stood there and took it while getting attacked from inside the pen..

And on a different occasion, Thunderbolt did pwn Mordru pretty badly.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying that T-bolt didn't become more powerful--I just don't recall it being stated, is all. It has been a long time since I read that arc in depth, though, so I could definitely be misremembering.

If it wasn't stated anywhere, then it's hard for me to just assume his power doubled(or w/e) as a result of the merger. /shrug
I'm not saying his power was doubled. But to think he was as powerful as before? Where is that stated?Originally posted by cdtm
And fighting Glorith to a stalemate, who was Time Trapper +.
Yep.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MNX3pgX5Ewc/VxSLBtyjSwI/AAAAAAAATOo/vn68PFGLxmYJWvWtvXpEkkF3tg0kBQoiQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO044.jpgOriginally posted by Galan007
Just saw this:
*Half his power. Originally posted by Galan007
Just saw this:
*Half his power.
Mordru himself drained his power and distributed it between him and Glorith.

Originally posted by cdtm
Until I thought about it. The fact is, Jakeem never actually told the thunderbolt to defend himself. T-bolt was initially given orders to own, and then imprison Mordru. So the fact that Mordru proceeded to defeat T-bolt from within his 'lamp', and then escape under his own power, is a HUGE feat.

It's similar to what Mordru did against Shazam from within the Rock of Eternity(another of his extremely uber feats.)

Originally posted by cdtm
And 5d imps are very, very stupid. Lol, no. They most certainly are not.

Originally posted by Galan007

It's similar to what Mordru did against Shazam from within the Rock of Eternity(another of his extremely uber feats.)



And let's not forget Mordru was weakened when he did that and Shazam was amped.

1. Shazam was completely unencumbered having given the task of restraining the seven deadly sins to another.
2. Shazam had spent some time building his power preparing for Spectre
3. Mordru had been imprisoned in the rock which played upon his greatest fear. The self same fear being the plot device that allowed the LoSH to defeat Mordu every time they faced him. Coming out of such a state is when Darkseid attacked and took his power in the Great Darkness Saga (of course the distraction of having a clone of Orion attack Mordru so he wasn't focused on the direct of Darkseid's attack didn't hurt either)

The fact is you still have to balance these high end showing against his low. Now admittedly Mordru doesn't have a LOT of low feats but they exist.

Example 1. His defeat at the hands of the Neophyte Lady Amethyst in his first Post COIE appearance. This defeat took place in Mordru's own place of power. Contextually it can be argued that Mordru was at his weakest at the time because he had JUST taken on the host of the gem world sorcerer (who's name eludes me ATM). We know from many other instances of Lords of Order taking on mortal hosts that it limits them ( Nabu's Egyptian body after centuries of use, Nabu in Kent Nelson's dead body, Shat-Ru in same body etc). It was after the defeat that Mordru then bonded the soul of the sorcerer he possessed to the host body to increase that limit and Amethyst never fared that well again.

By Contrast I can't think of too many lows for Odin. Odin sleep doesn't cut it as a low for me.

If someone can remind me of lows for Odin not as plot based as the Odin Sleep then I would have to change stance. I just can't think of any.

Odin was koed by an earthquake once.

easy win for Odin.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Sfl_rbv2DKA/Vnpm7gblr1I/AAAAAAAASNE/Kv3N3KR3ds4/s1600-Ic42/RCO003.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5-KoePAc9Fc/Vnpm8BJs9bI/AAAAAAAASNE/GOK9OyPthp4/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg

Originally posted by krisblaze
easy win for Odin.
He can't even beat Whor easily who got oneshotted by Miles Morales.

ha-som

Correction, she was casually taken out by Blackheart who got his ass handed to him by Miles Morales.

Twice.

Odin had some pretty low showings here and there, although some of them were from pretty crappy stories best forgotten.

Originally posted by Galan007


Lol, no. They most certainly are not.

Yes, they are. Mxy certainly is, as Superman's defeats of him proven over and over again. Hell,, Lex Luthor defeated him by lieing to his face, and an obvious one at that. And then you've got the embarressment called Emperor Joker..

As for other imps, Qwsp's brilliant plan was to bully D'jins. Once Thunderbolt realized he had free will, it unraveled everything. And the icing on the cake was Qwsp letting a mage walk up to him, cut him, and imprison him for his own use (The same mage kept saying how their power is only dwarfed by their stupidity)..

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Sfl_rbv2DKA/Vnpm7gblr1I/AAAAAAAASNE/Kv3N3KR3ds4/s1600-Ic42/RCO003.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5-KoePAc9Fc/Vnpm8BJs9bI/AAAAAAAASNE/GOK9OyPthp4/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg


Interesting you consider a weakened Odin to be a "low showing".
Then again it's you after all. Right on cue as always.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Interesting you consider a weakened Odin to be a "low showing".
Then again it's you after all. Right on cue as always.
Huh? What weakened Odin?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? What weakened Odin?
Err plot driven weakness.

Later in the same issue he even commented on how his full strength has not yet returned.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Interesting you consider a weakened Odin to be a "low showing".
Then again it's you after all. Right on cue as always. Abhi isn't anyone to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err plot driven weakness.

Later in the same issue he even commented on how his full strength has not yet returned.
That can also happen after getting koed. Unless you have any specific scan of him being weakened beforehand, he doesn't randomly gets weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That can also happen after getting koed. Unless you have any specific scan of him being weakened beforehand, he doesn't randomly gets weakened. Your credibility is shot. Give it up Odin wins. Absorption ftw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That can also happen after getting koed. Unless you have any specific scan of him being weakened beforehand, he doesn't randomly gets weakened.
This is painful....
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Oh the genius level logic being used here.
superdur

I should save this.

Again this shows your ability to pull scans without actually knowing what's going on.
clapclap





Btw he was poisoned.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This is painful....
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Oh the genius level logic being used here.
superdur

I should save this.

Again this shows your ability to pull scans without actually knowing what's going on.
clapclap





Btw he was poisoned.
Ah yes, now I remember. Space Ants beating Odin and entire Asgard with guns. And selling Odin as a slave.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GGDnF-cMNZM/Vnpmem1OKzI/AAAAAAAASEE/_3ci4OxV5Nc/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-76Vl54mFb4w/VnpmfXKTLvI/AAAAAAAASEE/VcchyUF2FiM/s1600-Ic42/RCO015.jpg

The drugs they gave him weakened Odin in the comic where he was koed.

What a magnificent showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin was koed by an earthquake once.

I f*cking knew Tesla had a reason he created that earthquake machine..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah yes, now I remember. Space Ants beating Odin and entire Asgard with guns. And selling Odin as a slave.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GGDnF-cMNZM/Vnpmem1OKzI/AAAAAAAASEE/_3ci4OxV5Nc/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-76Vl54mFb4w/VnpmfXKTLvI/AAAAAAAASEE/VcchyUF2FiM/s1600-Ic42/RCO015.jpg

The drugs they gave him weakened Odin in the comic where he was koed.

What a magnificent showing.




Props to you for finding these scans. They've been mentioned on the forums a few times but I've never seen them posted.

As to the thread, Mordru wins.

What excuse you will give now, eh celey?

Little known fact, these guys also sold Odin's eye.

Originally posted by zopzop


As to the thread, Mordru wins.

based on this new evidence of Odin's low showings I'd have to agree.
these lows are below any of Mordu's lows and even if these are a weakened Odin Mordru was also in a wraker state for his

We average out the showings. Odin wins anyways via absorption. It's how these guys stack up sag isn't each other. Odin has the tools to own Mordru.

Originally posted by beatboks
based on this new evidence of Odin's low showings I'd have to agree.
these lows are below any of Mordu's lows and even if these are a weakened Odin Mordru was also in a wraker state for his
You misunderstood my post. I didn't say Odin wins because of the scans Abhi posted. I just gave Abhi props for finding and posting those particular scans.

The reason why I believe Mordru wins is Mordru has excellent magic absorption powers (vs Nabu, vs a 5D Imp, etc...).

Originally posted by zopzop
You misunderstood my post. I didn't say Odin wins because of the scans Abhi posted. I just gave Abhi props for finding and posting those particular scans.

The reason why I believe Mordru wins is Mordru has excellent magic absorption powers (vs Nabu, vs a 5D Imp, etc...).

no where in that post did I say you said that.
i have stated since the beginning that Odin wins in a close one.
i also stated that i was aware of Mordu's low showing but none of Odin's (the reason for my stance)
hence the sxans changed my mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We average out the showings. Odin wins anyways via absorption. It's how these guys stack up sag isn't each other. Odin has the tools to own Mordru.

that is precisely what ive done.
i originally gave the win to Odin because i wasnt aware of lows.
now that i am there are greater lows for him and more of them.

the idea that Odin wins because of energy absorption against Mordru who's whole scthick is energy absorption is laughable.
Mordru absorbs energy power at every outing.

lords of orde and chaos
dr fate
alan scot
shazam
speed force from Jay
the magic of sorcerers world
5th dimensional Djinn
half the mahic in the universe
half the power of Infinity man (eternity rip off)

these are just a few of the energies he's absorbed.
energy absorption doesnt favor Odin

Originally posted by abhilegend
What excuse you will give now, eh celey?
Excuse? What excuse?

You posted a scan of him falling KO'd from an earthquake not knowing he was in a severely weakened state(poison)... A state in which he was no better than a regular Asgardian. As usual you were being corrected once again as is par for the course when it comes to you.

Your other scans though a "low" showing is still a bit off regarding your interpretation which tells me again you don't actually read stories, but browse through them so you can cherry pick. Odin was taken prisoner by two alien armies one of which were those insectoid looking aliens. The other was of a reptilian variety who were partners of those you showed. The funny thing is your scan was actually a partial lie told by the reptilians pinning the deed only on their insectoid former partners. Even posting low showings you don't get right.

Space ants

Too sober for this shit.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Excuse? What excuse?

You posted a scan of him falling KO'd from an earthquake not knowing he was in a severely weakened state(poison)... A state in which he was no better than a regular Asgardian. As usual you were being corrected once again as is par for the course when it comes to you.

Your other scans though a "low" showing is still a bit off regarding your interpretation which tells me again you don't actually read stories, but browse through them so you can cherry pick. Odin was taken prisoner by two alien armies one of which were those insectoid looking aliens. The other was of a reptilian variety who were partners of those you showed. The funny thing is your scan was actually a partial lie told by the reptilians pinning the deed only on their insectoid former partners. Even posting low showings you don't get right. I agree abhi doesn't read the stories but peruse through got low showings. I've heard him beg others for these on Herochat. His credibility is already shot though so it hardly matters.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Excuse? What excuse?

You posted a scan of him falling KO'd from an earthquake not knowing he was in a severely weakened state(poison)... A state in which he was no better than a regular Asgardian. As usual you were being corrected once again as is par for the course when it comes to you.

Your other scans though a "low" showing is still a bit off regarding your interpretation which tells me again you don't actually read stories, but browse through them so you can cherry pick. Odin was taken prisoner by two alien armies one of which were those insectoid looking aliens. The other was of a reptilian variety who were partners of those you showed. The funny thing is your scan was actually a partial lie told by the reptilians pinning the deed only on their insectoid former partners. Even posting low showings you don't get right.
Damn, you can't even make an excuse for this. How does you excuse the Ants selling Odin as a slave?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn, you can't even make an excuse for this. How does you excuse the Ants selling Odin as a slave? What is wrong with you ?

Originally posted by Surtur
I f*cking knew Tesla had a reason he created that earthquake machine..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn, you can't even make an excuse for this. How does you excuse the Ants selling Odin as a slave? those ants were creepy, man!

Bump
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.

https://s6.postimg.org/5lkpasx9t/LSH43-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/w827ww7sh/LSH43-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/8v8rs4h2p/LSH44-07.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/3rhi3x5yp/LSH44-08.jpg


Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.

https://s6.postimg.org/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg

Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.


https://s6.postimg.org/6f2d0j9m9/LSH47-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/tuka5vtdd/LSH47-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pmphx4rxt/LSH47-19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/pnzfqjtrl/LSH47-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/9e99nnj3l/LSH47-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/opj2o9gfl/LSH47-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ebrfmiagh/LSH47-23.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ft8akbptd/LSH47-24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/qilzcl1m9/LSH48-02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/n2yggrtrl/LSH48-03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ygkzrz4a9/LSH48-04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/7mkw6hp4h/LSH48-05.jpg

Beastly.