In DC comics, who can "easily" defeat multi-eternity?

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CatL18
DC characters must defeat multi-eternity only with their power.
Who can defeat embodiment of multiverse in Marvel?

Utrigita
Current Eternity represent the Marvel Omniverse, with that said I think it'll be much easier to gauge and make a accurate assumption when we find out what have chained Omni-Eternity in Ultimates story act.

CatL18
Originally posted by Utrigita
Current Eternity represent the Marvel Omniverse, with that said I think it'll be much easier to gauge and make a accurate assumption when we find out what have chained Omni-Eternity in Ultimates story act.
Thank you for enlightening me.so

Round1:Multi Eternity

Round2:Omni Eternity

beatboks
Originally posted by CatL18
DC characters must defeat multi-eternity only with their power.
Who can defeat embodiment of multiverse in Marvel?

The underlined pretty much limits this to

Prime Monitor
Presence
Great evil beast

Maybe on their day can be challenged by
Lucifer Morningstar
Micheal Demiurges
Elaine Belloc

Other potential challengers but who can't win

The Source
Anti life entity

Given that neither of these could break the the barriers meant to keep them apart (So universal not multiversal)

Now if it's not limited to only their own power but using outside ampping, then because they've already done it to a DC Eternity knock off then you could add a teamed up Mordru and Glorith.

CatL18
Originally posted by beatboks
The underlined pretty much limits this to

Prime Monitor
Presence
Great evil beast

Maybe on their day can be challenged by
Lucifer Morningstar
Micheal Demiurges
Elaine Belloc

Other potential challengers but who can't win

The Source
Anti life entity

Given that neither of these could break the the barriers meant to keep them apart (So universal not multiversal)

Now if it's not limited to only their own power but using outside ampping, then because they've already done it to a DC Eternity knock off then you could add a teamed up Mordru and Glorith.
Considering that DC consits of Infinite number of multiverse,or much more, i think 5th dimensional Imp easily can.
And, Morrison's meta-textual being including TR Superman , Empty Hand, Mandrakk easily can.
And, Great Evil Beast can, etc.
And, if this is Multi-eternity, every characters above COIE AM can.

BTW, Lucifer,Ellaine,michael, either of them can easily oneshot omni-eternity because they are part of Presence.

beatboks
Originally posted by CatL18
Considering that DC consits of Infinite number of multiverse,or much more, i think 5th dimensional Imp easily can.
And, Morrison's meta-textual being including TR Superman , Empty Hand, Mandrakk easily can.
And, Great Evil Beast can, etc.

No DC conciss of an "infinite number of universes to make up thier multiverse SINCE flash point. Pre Flashpoint only 52 universes.

Eternity is also many universes (more than 52 given how many different universes we saw when Marquis of Death destroyed so many versions of the FF and Reed (a ll a part of eternity)

I mentioned GEB. Aside from world's funniest MXY (non canon as far as I know) NO to the others.

CatL18
Originally posted by beatboks
No DC conciss of an "infinite number of universes to make up thier multiverse SINCE flash point. Pre Flashpoint only 52 universes.

Eternity is also many universes (more than 52 given how many different universes we saw when Marquis of Death destroyed so many versions of the FF and Reed (a ll a part of eternity)

I mentioned GEB. Aside from world's funniest MXY (non canon as far as I know) NO to the others.
Read multiversity and Convergence.
Hypertime which hold infinite number of multiverse still exist and they are still within Bleed space.
And, Bleed space is germ from higher sphere.
Do you know that beings above Bleed space are not affected by any reality warping within Bleed space?

beatboks
Originally posted by CatL18
Read multiversity and Convergence.
Hypertime which hold infinite number of multiverse still exist and they are still within Bleed space.
And, Bleed space is germ from higher sphere.
Do you know that beings above Bleed space are not affected by any reality warping within Bleed space?

Dude, read what your replying too.

Convergence and Multiversity are both post Flash point. I stated that there are an infinite number of universesPost Flash point. That is what Eternity is (infinite universes). DC doesn't have an infinite number of MULTIVERSES just one formed from it's infinite number of universes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiverse

The multiverse is everything, all parallel realities.

abhilegend
Anybody worth a damn. Originally posted by beatboks
The underlined pretty much limits this to

Prime Monitor
Presence
Great evil beast

Maybe on their day can be challenged by
Lucifer Morningstar
Micheal Demiurges
Elaine Belloc

Other potential challengers but who can't win

The Source
Anti life entity

Given that neither of these could break the the barriers meant to keep them apart (So universal not multiversal)

Now if it's not limited to only their own power but using outside ampping, then because they've already done it to a DC Eternity knock off then you could add a teamed up Mordru and Glorith.
baka

Anyone like Source or ALE would **** Eternity something fierce. Eternity is the biggest jobber ever.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Current Eternity represent the Marvel Omniverse, with that said I think it'll be much easier to gauge and make a accurate assumption when we find out what have chained Omni-Eternity in Ultimates story act.
Being called an omniverse in one comic doesn't changes the cosmic hierarchy. Just in Silver Surfer 15, Shaper's power had Glorion or whatever his name is becoming equal to Eternity by creating a single universe.

In Infinity Finale it is again shown.

Eternity is Martian Manhunter of abstracts. Powerful on paper but gets beat up by everyone. Heck, some aliens nearly killed it in McDuffie's FF run from which Dr Strange saved it.

laughing out loud

Spectre on a good day would beat the shit out of Eternity.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
Dude, read what your replying too.

Convergence and Multiversity are both post Flash point. I stated that there are an infinite number of universesPost Flash point. That is what Eternity is (infinite universes). DC doesn't have an infinite number of MULTIVERSES just one formed from it's infinite number of universes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiverse

The multiverse is everything, all parallel realities.
Of course it did have a multiverse. There was even an omniverse mentioned in AOS 617.

The 52 universe was a local multiverse. Explicitly mentioned in Final Crisis secret files.

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it did have a multiverse. There was even an omniverse mentioned in AOS 617.

The 52 universe was a local multiverse. Explicitly mentioned in Final Crisis secret files.

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1
Well lookit wut we have here. A bio/guide/handbook is being used by someone who supposedly does not use them.

Genii96
Easily beat multi eternity? None except the omnipotents.
And btw,multi eternity dosent mean just multiversal power.
I mean an eternity of 1 universe (say 616) is much much above universal power

Galan007
Mxy.

Genii96
Btw, what has mxy done in nu 52?,he is still there right?

Galan007
Aside from the strange rendition of Mxy that Morrison gave us in AC, 'classic' Mxy also popped up for a single page a while back:
http://s32.postimg.org/eoi9afat1/Superman_American_Alien_2015_003_025.jpg

He's always around. thumb up

zopzop
Originally posted by beatboks
The underlined pretty much limits this to

Prime Monitor
Presence
Great evil beast

Maybe on their day can be challenged by
Lucifer Morningstar
Micheal Demiurges
Elaine Belloc

Other potential challengers but who can't win

The Source
Anti life entity

Given that neither of these could break the the barriers meant to keep them apart (So universal not multiversal)

Now if it's not limited to only their own power but using outside ampping, then because they've already done it to a DC Eternity knock off then you could add a teamed up Mordru and Glorith.
I find it funny people forget about Spectre.

This dude had the power to stop the Crisis on Infinite Worlds AND GEB but he didn't cause he's a slacker.

A serious Spectre would stomp a hole in any version of Eternity.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Well lookit wut we have here. A bio/guide/handbook is being used by someone who supposedly does not use them.
That's not a bio. That's the excerpt from Final Crisis Secret Files, written by Grant Morrison himself.

Galan007
You're right. I think people often exclude Spectre because some of his subsequent versions were shitty.

But yeah, Corrigan Spectre at his peak stomps pretty much all. thumb up

Genii96
Originally posted by zopzop
I find it funny people forget about Spectre.

This dude had the power to stop the Crisis on Infinite Worlds AND GEB but he didn't cause he's a slacker.

A serious Spectre would stomp a hole in any version of Eternity.
Um,iirc didn't spectre gain power from a lot of places to challenge GEB?
What do you mean by slacker?

zopzop
Originally posted by Genii96
Um,iirc didn't spectre gain power from a lot of places to challenge GEB?
What do you mean by slacker?
No that's the thing. He didn't NEED that extra power because it was worthless compared to what he's really capable of as God's Wrath.

Spectre is a slacker because he always shirks his duties for some reason or another. God or the Narrator even mentions this on panel.

A motivated Spectre would wipe OMNI-Eternity from existence then go have a cup of coffee.

Also worth mentioning is that Hal Jordan with the Spectre Force outright stated it dwarfed the power he had as MULTIVERSAL Parallax.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
No that's the thing. He didn't NEED that extra power because it was worthless compared to what he's really capable of as God's Wrath.

Spectre is a slacker because he always shirks his duties for some reason or another. God or the Narrator even mentions this on panel.

A motivated Spectre would wipe OMNI-Eternity from existence then go have a cup of coffee.

Also worth mentioning is that Hal Jordan with the Spectre Force outright stated it dwarfed the power he had as MULTIVERSAL Parallax.
Parallax had wiped out pretty much entire creation and started to create his own multiverse. Fighting with Spectre drained all of his power to the point he was pretty much powerless

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Um,iirc didn't spectre gain power from a lot of places to challenge GEB?
What do you mean by slacker?
No, he was in a coma after fighting Anti Monitor in COIE and only a portion of his being was fighting GEB.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not a bio. That's the excerpt from Final Crisis Secret Files, written by Grant Morrison himself.
hysterical
Who are you fooling here? Secret Files and Secret Files Origins were a series of companion books that included short stories, background info, bios, stats, etc..

Hell your so called excerpt came off of a caption from a character sketch work of Overgirl. Seriously?

Everyone uses guidebooks. Just admit that you do too as you have many times in the past.

Genii96
Originally posted by zopzop
No that's the thing. He didn't NEED that extra power because it was worthless compared to what he's really capable of as God's Wrath.

Spectre is a slacker because he always shirks his duties for some reason or another. God or the Narrator even mentions this on panel.

A motivated Spectre would wipe OMNI-Eternity from existence then go have a cup of coffee.

Also worth mentioning is that Hal Jordan with the Spectre Force outright stated it dwarfed the power he had as MULTIVERSAL Parallax.
What's his best feat?

Genii96
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he was in a coma after fighting Anti Monitor in COIE and only a portion of his being was fighting GEB.
Isn't GEB stronger than AM?

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it did have a multiverse. There was even an omniverse mentioned in AOS 617.

The 52 universe was a local multiverse. Explicitly mentioned in Final Crisis secret files.

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1 Rip Hunter also told us that the 'local' Multiverse was never just 52 universes--it was always an infinite amount of universes to begin with... And according to the Metaverse concept, an infinite amount of additional universes(ie. Multiverses) are created every instant.

So yeah, that sounds exactly like Marvel's Omniverse to me--what with infinite Multiverses and whatnot. /shrug

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
hysterical
Who are you fooling here? Secret Files and Secret Files Origins were a series of companion books that included short stories, background info, bios, stats, etc..

It was the history of multiverse. Not a bio of a single character.

God you're thick.



Yes, what about it? Its what happened in actual final crisis comic.





Not for establishing Thor has a hulk like dynamic factor though.

laughing out loud

Don Draper
Originally posted by Galan007
Rip Hunter also told us that the 'local' Multiverse was never just 52 universes--it was always an infinite amount of universes to begin with... And according to the Metaverse concept, an infinite amount of additional universes(ie. Multiverses) are created every instant.

So yeah, that sounds exactly like Marvel's Omniverse to me--what with infinite Multiverses and whatnot. /shrug Scans?

zopzop
Originally posted by Genii96
What's his best feat?
That's the whole problem with him. He never lives up to his full potential.
http://s33.postimg.org/m3icvxuy3/3375469_the_spectre_v2_1_page_4.jpg
If he let loose, nothing short of DC's God Or Myx would be able to put him down.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by zopzop
That's the whole problem with him. He never lives up to his full potential.
http://s33.postimg.org/m3icvxuy3/3375469_the_spectre_v2_1_page_4.jpg
If he let loose, nothing short of DC's God Or Myx would be able to put him down.

Riv missed you.

...

And I did, too.

*unzips*

Galan007
Originally posted by Don Draper
Scans? Rip Hunter explains the DC Multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/UOAIyK1.jpg


This scan details DC's 'Metaverse':
http://i.imgur.com/LlxPHY5.jpg

Here is the pertinent text from that scan, which I referenced in my above post:
http://i.imgur.com/oB4UKE0.jpg

As I mentioned earlier: a Multiverse in DC=infinite universes. On top of that, an infinite amount of new universes are spawned every instant--which subsequently means a new multiverse is born with each passing moment. Thus we get an infinite amount of multiverseS as a corollary--and that is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.


That said, here is how the Marvel Omniverse was most currently defined:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg
(pertinent text outlined in blue.)



So yeah, DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse sound pretty much identical, imo. Infinite universes...Infinite Multiverses. /shrug

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was the history of multiverse. Not a bio of a single character.

God you're thick.

Yes, what about it? Its what happened in actual final crisis comic.

Not for establishing Thor has a hulk like dynamic factor though.

laughing out loud
facepalm

Actually it was a bio of a single character.. Overgirl.. It just happened to contain a piece of information that pertains to the multiverse.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

And according to the Metaverse concept, an infinite amount of additional universes(ie. Multiverses) are created every instant.

So yeah, that sounds exactly like Marvel's Omniverse to me--what with infinite Multiverses and whatnot.
I disagree.

The scan you're pointing out about the "Metaverse" does not ever mention "multiverseS."
No offense, but it should be noted this is your interpretation in the meaning.
Unless there's an on panel and/or handbook definition that clearly makes it multiverseS, we can't say that.

In fact, the definition of the DC "Metaverse" ... is nigh-verbatim to Marvel's definition of the prime Multiverse.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27648951_Metaverse1.png http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27648952_Metaverse2.jpg

Imo, this "Metaverse" is another term for "Multiverse."

cdtm
In DC?

Grant Morrison can. He basically did a One Above All in Animal Man.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

The scan you're pointing out about the "Metaverse" does not ever mention "multiverseS."
No offense, but it should be noted this is your interpretation in the meaning.
Unless there's an on panel and/or handbook definition that clearly makes it multiverseS, we can't say that.

In fact, the definition of the DC "Metaverse" ... is nigh-verbatim to Marvel's definition of the prime Multiverse.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27648951_Metaverse1.png http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27648952_Metaverse2.jpg

Imo, this "Metaverse" is another term for "Multiverse." As was the case in the last thread this was mentioned in: you're purposefully ignoring this very important piece of text, which explicitly TELLS US what makes up the Metaverse in its totality:
http://i.imgur.com/oB4UKE0.jpg


I don't need a handbook to tell me that infinite universes=a multiverse. Vis-a-vis, a new multiverse is spawned every instant.

Mr Master
Marvel writers seem to interpret that as a Multiverse!

Again: infinite universes are created EVERY INSTANT.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27649540_Metaverse3.jpg



"For every quantum moment in the life of a Universe, an infinity of alternate realitieS is created.

Each of these in-turn, gives birth to a multititude of additional infinitieS -- and so on, Ad Infinitum."

----------------------------------------

That reads exactly like the Metaverse joint.

Galan007
In Marvel, different writers use the terms Omniverse and Multiverse interchangeably at times. The events of Secret Wars and The Ultimates couldn't have made this clearer: Hickman consistently described the events as Multiversal; Ewing is consistently describing them as Omniversal... But that's neither here nor there.

I am basing my opinion on how Marvel defined the Omniverse in recent times:
http://i.imgur.com/jdHxGI1.jpg

Full page:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg


And that does read exactly like the Metaverse joint. thumb up

CatL18
Originally posted by beatboks
Dude, read what your replying too.

Convergence and Multiversity are both post Flash point. I stated that there are an infinite number of universesPost Flash point. That is what Eternity is (infinite universes). DC doesn't have an infinite number of MULTIVERSES just one formed from it's infinite number of universes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiverse

The multiverse is everything, all parallel realities.
I say again, read multiversity and convergence.
What you are refering to is only local multiverse.
Hypertime has infinite number of multiverse as it's branch. It is concept established by Grant Morrison and Mark Waid.
In fact, Multiversity guidebook confirms that multiverse after infinite crisis is only one of infinite local multiverse branched from Hypertime.
And, there is metaverse concept.

So, every character above COIE Anti Monitor can easily defeat multi-eternity.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

I am basing my opinion on how Marvel defined the Omniverse in recent times:
http://i.imgur.com/jdHxGI1.jpg


And that does read exactly like the Metaverse joint.
I respect your opinion.

But until I see an on panel and/or handbook state DC has infinite MULTIverseS inside it, I can't agree.

The DC Metaverse definition is = to one Marvel Multiverse, no question. I proved it.

We wouldn't wanna think the DC omniverse is = to one Marvel multiverse. sad

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
I respect your opinion.

But until I see an on panel and/or handbook state DC has infinite MULTIverseS inside it, I can't agree.

The DC Metaverse definition is = to one Marvel Multiverse, no question. I proved it.

We wouldn't wanna think the DC omniverse is = to one Marvel multiverse. I already provided on panel evidence. I just don't think it's computing for some reason. sad

The 'local/prime' DC Multiverse = infinite universes(per Rip Hunter.) And in the Metaverse scan we learn that an infinite amount universes are being spawned EVERY INSTANT, in addition to the aforementioned cosmology. Again: infinite universes = a Multiverse.

So if a new Multiverse is spawned every single INSTANT, then this creates infinite MultiverseS as a corollary. Not trying to be rude, but I don't need a handbook to figure out that 1+1=2.

That said, the Marvel Omniverse is more currently defined as containing infinite universes and infinite MultiverseS. The scan I posted above explicitly states as much(and it's from a much more recent source than the decades-old scan you keep referencing.) Ergo the correlation between DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse.

cdtm
*Ahem* Not to get in the way of the debate, but

Fables are DC, right? What do you think of Kevin Thorne?

The Literals were pretty obvious stand in's for the writing conventions, with Thorne being a "One Above All" style writer that could shape reality as he sees fit, just by writing it all down.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

I already provided on panel evidence. I just don't think it's computing for some reason.
Oh, so you did post a scan that mentions "infinite MULTIverseS?" ...

My bad, I missed it, can you post it again?
Originally posted by Galan007

The 'local/prime' DC Multiverse = infinite universes(per Rip Hunter.) And in the Metaverse scan we learn that an infinite amount universes are being spawned EVERY INSTANT, in addition to the aforementioned cosmology. Again: infinite universes = a Multiverse.
Where in the "Metaverse" scan does it fit in Rip Hunter's explanation of another "Multiverse?" (local/prime)

The Metaverse scan seems to unintentionally elaborate on the Rip Hunter scan.

Explaining the same concept more in-depth.
Originally posted by Galan007

So if a new Multiverse is spawned every single INSTANT, then this creates infinite MultiverseS as a corollary. Not trying to be rude, but I don't need a handbook to figure out that 1+1=2.
I find it interesting that the Metaverse description:

"spawns an infinite # of new realitieS every instant" ... is actually captured in this phrase, within this sentence:

http://i.imgur.com/oB4UKE0.jpg

"All the 'What If ...?' moments that don't happen ... suddenly an alternate reality is created where ... it does"

-------------------------------------------

That's literally based off the concept of Marvel diverged alternate realities. ("What If's"wink

Well, I gotta say, we'd ended up without closer were it not for that last scan you posted.

I didn't even have that scan before, that cemented my argument as fact imo.
Originally posted by Galan007

That said, the Marvel Omniverse is more currently defined as containing infinite universes and infinite MultiverseS. The scan I posted above explicitly states as much

(and it's from a much more recent source than the decades-old scan you keep referencing.)
On Panel > Handbook ... always and forever.

... and I love Handbooks when they work.

beatboks
Originally posted by CatL18
I say again, read multiversity and convergence.
What you are refering to is only local multiverse.
Hypertime has infinite number of multiverse as it's branch. It is concept established by Grant Morrison and Mark Waid.
In fact, Multiversity guidebook confirms that multiverse after infinite crisis is only one of infinite local multiverse branched from Hypertime.
And, there is metaverse concept.

So, every character above COIE Anti Monitor can easily defeat multi-eternity.

Mate, not one character that I listed even has an appearance post flashpoint. My point was Multiversity and Convergeance have no bearing on what I said. They aren't part of the continuity in question (it's why I mentioned the 52 universes, that Eternity is more than)

That aside I can't think of a single post Flashpoint showing of anyone so much as destroying a universe. So again irrelevant.

why would I need to read stories that are part of a continuity that doesn't apply to anyone or thing I've mentioned? It's why I asked to to read what your replying to. That would be like saying "read this SA story which contradicts everything you said about this character created post COIE that never existed when the story was written.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh, so you did post a scan that mentions "infinite MULTIverseS?" ...

My bad, I missed it, can you post it again?

Where in the "Metaverse" scan does it fit in Rip Hunter's explanation of another "Multiverse?" (local/prime)

The Metaverse scan seems to unintentionally elaborate on the Rip Hunter scan.

Explaining the same concept more in-depth.

I find it interesting that the Metaverse description:

"spawns an infinite # of new realitieS every instant" ... is actually captured in this phrase, within this sentence:

http://i.imgur.com/oB4UKE0.jpg

"All the 'What If ...?' moments that don't happen ... suddenly an alternate reality is created where ... it does"

-------------------------------------------

That's literally based off the concept of Marvel diverged alternate realities. ("What If's"wink

Well, I gotta say, we'd ended up without closer were it not for that last scan you posted.

I didn't even have that scan before, that cemented my argument as fact imo.

On Panel > Handbook ... always and forever.

... and I love Handbooks when they work. Ignoring the evidence doesn't change the fact that it still exists... And it's clear as day. thumb up
Originally posted by Galan007
Rip Hunter explains the DC Multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/UOAIyK1.jpg


This scan details DC's 'Metaverse':
http://i.imgur.com/LlxPHY5.jpg

Here is the pertinent text from that scan, which I referenced in my above post:
http://i.imgur.com/oB4UKE0.jpg

As I mentioned earlier: a Multiverse in DC=infinite universes. On top of that, an infinite amount of new universes are spawned every instant--which subsequently means a new multiverse is born with each passing moment. Thus we get an infinite amount of multiverseS as a corollary--and that is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.


That said, here is how the Marvel Omniverse was most currently defined:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg
(pertinent text outlined in blue.)



So yeah, DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse sound pretty much identical, imo. Infinite universes...Infinite Multiverses. /shrug


Lol @ trying to 'Marvelize' a DC scan, though... They're separate companies, btw. thumb up

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

Ignoring the evidence doesn't change the fact that it still exists... And it's clear as day.
I'm not ignoring it, I just missed the scan you posted which claims infinite MULTIverseS for DC.

I saw a scan which says something else and you yourself are adding the term "multiverseS" to it based on your logic,
but that's another story.

Yea, yea, it's that scan which defines the DC Metaverse exactly how Marvel defines their Multiverse.
Originally posted by Galan007

Lol @ trying to 'Marvelize' a DC scan, though... They're separate companies, btw.
So, I guess I'll just wait on that scan that clears things up.

The other scan that needs to be interpreted by a DC cosmologcal expert won't help here though.

Simple english like in the several Marvel scanned explanations will suffice.

Galan007
Nothing needs to be cleared up. Nothing needs to be interpreted. Anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of DC cosmology can tell you exactly what I just did.

-The prime DC Multiverse=infinite universes.
-Within the all-encompassing Metaverse, infinite universes are being spawned every instant. And because we know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that infinite universes=a Multiverse, this means a new Multiverse is born every instant.
-If a new Multiverse is spewed every single instant, we get infinite MultiverseS as a corollary.
-All of this is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.

I am not digging. I am simply applying the facts that we were given on panel. Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.


As of 2008, Marvel defined their Omniverse the exact same way:
http://i.imgur.com/jdHxGI1.jpg

Full page:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg

Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.


Ergo my opinion that DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse are comparable. I don't think that is illogical in the slightest. /shrug




All of that being said: we are just talking in circles at this point. Unless you have something different to add, I'm done with this convo. I've said as much as I can say at this point, and I'd prefer to stop before things get toxic. thumb up

operator616
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it did have a multiverse. There was even an omniverse mentioned in AOS 617.

The 52 universe was a local multiverse. Explicitly mentioned in Final Crisis secret files.

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1

We can't say for sure what it meant though if it wasn't specifically defined. the omniverse was referenced in the 70s, pre-Crisis (around the same time period Marvel referenced it as well), but neither have officially defined them at the time.

Recently though, Morrison said in an interview that there are potentially infinite multiverses:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/21/grant-morrison-on-finishing-multiversity-and-whats-next-at-dc

Other multiverses have been referenced multiple times post-FP. And Grant seems to be integrating every possible multiverse into his new cosmology as it seems. He said in an interview that DC contains its own versions of the Marvel and Image (along with other) characters, which he depicted in Multiversity, and fits into his statement of DC having potentially infinite bubble multiverses.

Galan007
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I brought that up in a thread a while back. I recall people trying to write the concept off as non-canon or somesuch.

...Shocker. roll eyes (sarcastic)

CatL18
Originally posted by beatboks
Mate, not one character that I listed even has an appearance post flashpoint. My point was Multiversity and Convergeance have no bearing on what I said. They aren't part of the continuity in question (it's why I mentioned the 52 universes, that Eternity is more than)

That aside I can't think of a single post Flashpoint showing of anyone so much as destroying a universe. So again irrelevant.

why would I need to read stories that are part of a continuity that doesn't apply to anyone or thing I've mentioned? It's why I asked to to read what your replying to. That would be like saying "read this SA story which contradicts everything you said about this character created post COIE that never existed when the story was written.
Lucifer appeared in New52. Mxy appeared, Anti monitor appeared,Darkseid appeared,Spectre appeared,etc
And,do you understand setting that everyone above Bleed space are not affected by any change within multiverse?
New52 Darkseid=Pre Flashpoint Darkseid, New52 Lucifer=Pre- Flashpoint Lucifer, New52 Mxy=Pre-Flashpoint Mxy,etc.
So, we can use their Pre-Flashpoint feat as evidence.

Blue Area Vet
This it not a "versus" thread, Darksaint.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

Nothing needs to be cleared up. Nothing needs to be interpreted. Anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of DC cosmology can tell you exactly what I just did.

-The prime DC Multiverse=infinite universes.
-Within the all-encompassing Metaverse, infinite universes are being spawned every instant. And because we know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that infinite universes=a Multiverse, this means a new Multiverse is born every instant.
-If a new Multiverse is spewed every single instant, we get infinite MultiverseS as a corollary.
-All of this is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.

I am not digging. I am simply applying the facts that we were given on panel. Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

As of 2008, Marvel defined their Omniverse the exact same way:

Full page:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg

Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

Ergo my opinion that DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse are comparable. I don't think that is illogical in the slightest.
I'll respect your opinion.

But I do disagree with your Marvel Omniverse corrolation based on the "Metaverse" scans.

You may be right, but for now, until clearer evidence appears, imo, not definitively.
Originally posted by operator616

Recently though, Morrison said in an interview that there are potentially infinite multiverses:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/21/grant-morrison-on-finishing-multiversity-and-whats-next-at-dc

Interesting stuff. I hope he or someone translates that to on panel stories or even official handbooks.

Mr Master
@Galan ... I think I found something that substantiates your interpretation.

It's not affiliated with the Metaverse scans, but, it's right along what you're saying.

I don't have the energy right now to crop and post, so, until tomorrah.

Mr M keeps it real even if it debunks his stance.

Galan007
Know the issue you're thinking of off hand?

CatL18
In DC, who is far above megaversal?
I think being related to Presence and Cosmic Armor Superman and Mandrakk and Empty hand are high-omniversal.

Galan007
^ Mxy.

CatL18
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Mxy.
I forgot him embarrasment
How about Batmite?

Galan007
As confirmed in Superman/Batman #25: Bat-Mite is a piece of Mxy's own power. wink

CatL18
Originally posted by Galan007
As confirmed in Superman/Batman #25: Bat-Mite is a piece of Mxy's own power. wink
Oh,really?
So,is Mxy playing with himself?

basilisk
Multi-Batman.

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