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Hal

Hal wins, until Vulcan is gets a handle of emotional spectrum.

This isn't a match, Vulcan can literally pull the GL energy out of Hal.

Originally posted by "Id"
Hal wins, until Vulcan is gets a handle of emotional spectrum.

Vulcan got a handle on Warlock Quantum Magic in no time. Hal is a dead man walking.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Vulcan got a handle on Warlock Quantum Magic in no time. Hal is a dead man walking.

He didn't get a handle of Black Bolt energy. That and the emotional spectrum is alien to Vulcan.

So no. If it comes down to fly and blast. Hal has him dead to rights.

If Vulcan can get a handle on Hal. Than its lights out for Hal. But that will take time.

Considering some of the highs of Hal, where he overrode the control of the Guardians of Oa, it would be a good match.

Vulcan takes it over Hal, but no stomp here/

just a bad match i think. this has been done a million times and it usually goes the same way. i'd take vulcan for a heavy majority. hal would need to go ooc and hit him with something truly massive to take vulcan out before he at least gains SOME control over hal's energy. eventually--and soon--he'd have no problem simply draining him ftw.

Hmm its tricky. Yes, Lanterns operate via emotional spectrum, but the energy they project is still light energy none the less. Maybe save for a red lantern i believe is like a plasma(someone correct me if im wrong)? I cant see a way Hal could win. Its all light and energy at the end of the day. What part of the emotional spectrum it comes from may possibly be irrelevant.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hmm its tricky. Yes, Lanterns operate via emotional spectrum, but the energy they project is still light energy none the less. Maybe save for a red lantern i believe is like a plasma(someone correct me if im wrong)? GL constructs are light-based, yes:
http://i.imgur.com/Cf1xVjJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7ImYoU5.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
GL constructs are light-based, yes:
http://i.imgur.com/Cf1xVjJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7ImYoU5.jpg

Yup. So like i said, emotional spectrum doesnt mean much. Vulcan doesnt need to wield it. He just needs to manipulate it. That he can do.

What about a Red Lanterns Plasma though? Its not light. Hmmm. Anyone know?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Anyone know?

It's period blood.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yup. So like i said, emotional spectrum doesnt mean much. Vulcan doesnt need to wield it. He just needs to manipulate it. That he can do.

What about a Red Lanterns Plasma though? Its not light. Hmmm. Anyone know? Red Lantern blasts/constructs are light-based, just like the other rings. Their vomit, however, is pure plasma like you said:
http://i.imgur.com/et72uRr.jpg
...Might be about the only Lantern ability from any spectrum that isn't light-based. mmm

...Though I suppose the Black Lanterns' antics aren't really dependent on light either. mhmm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's period blood.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by Galan007
Red Lantern blasts/constructs are light-based, just like the other rings. Their vomit, however, is pure plasma like you said:
http://i.imgur.com/et72uRr.jpg
...Might be about the only Lantern ability from any spectrum that isn't light-based. mmm

...Though I suppose the Black Lanterns' antics aren't really dependent on light either. mhmm

Ahh there we go. Iiiinteresting. mmm

Yeah...but don't forget...

http://i.imgur.com/Mc5MmWV.jpg

Krona had the embodiment of willpower inside him at the time. PLUS the rings are unable to harm a Guardian. Hal overrode those controls.

Originally posted by Galan007
Red Lantern blasts/constructs are light-based, just like the other rings. Their vomit, however, is pure plasma like you said:
http://i.imgur.com/et72uRr.jpg
...Might be about the only Lantern ability from any spectrum that isn't light-based. mmm

...Though I suppose the Black Lanterns' antics aren't really dependent on light either. mhmm

Atrocitus created the red battery using blood magic from the Five Inversions, which at times has also been mentioned to be mixed in to the vomit plasma (if not the constructs as well, I don't recall precisely).

i thought red lantern energy was magic as well....or magic-based. doesn't matter, vulcan easily took control of warlock's 'quantum' magic and beat the f*** out of him....

Originally posted by leonidas
i thought red lantern energy was magic as well....or magic-based. doesn't matter, vulcan easily took control of warlock's 'quantum' magic and beat the f*** out of him....

Doesn't matter 'cause it's GL Hal

Vulcan wins.

Originally posted by "Id"
He didn't get a handle of Black Bolt energy. That and the emotional spectrum is alien to Vulcan.

So no. If it comes down to fly and blast. Hal has him dead to rights.

If Vulcan can get a handle on Hal. Than its lights out for Hal. But that will take time.


Black Bolt didn't use his electron manipulation against Vulcan.

Vulcan manipulates all forms of energy. Like I said, he manipulated Warlocks very powerful Quantum Magic which isn't light.

Yeah, because Warlock is as powerful as Hal or as experienced as him.

GTFO. Amped Havok literally beat the ****ing shit out of him.

http://postimg.org/image/rrynz30bv/
http://postimg.org/image/qqyf9yjcb/
http://postimg.org/image/a4gv0vqej/
http://postimg.org/image/4iufwtppn/
http://postimg.org/image/6yw9ao7sb/
http://postimg.org/image/np7n0067f/

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Black Bolt didn't use his electron manipulation against Vulcan.
But he could have manipulated the electrons, yet he didn't.

Originally posted by "Id"
But he could have manipulated the electrons, yet he didn't.

What's your point?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because Warlock is as powerful as Hal or as experienced as him.

GTFO. Amped Havok literally beat the ****ing shit out of him.

http://postimg.org/image/rrynz30bv/
http://postimg.org/image/qqyf9yjcb/
http://postimg.org/image/a4gv0vqej/
http://postimg.org/image/4iufwtppn/
http://postimg.org/image/6yw9ao7sb/
http://postimg.org/image/np7n0067f/

You GTFOOH you butt hurt meant muppet, that Warlock would have beat the living hell out of Halle Berry. That's why that version didn't last long. Try reading Annihilation II for a clue. You're an idiot. Also, you scans are loading too slow. If it's the scans of Havok beating Vulcan with a point blank surprise attack right after he absorbed the equivalent of a star, a) you ain't telling me shit, I have the issue and b) that's hardly a low showing. You're lowing balling is filthy. So for all your crying, I proved that Vulcan was able to absorb Quantum Magic with no problem, which isn't light energy. Deal with it.

Vulcan easily drained Warlock.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99413/1812757-warlock_vsvulcan4.jpg

By the way, check the strength feat by Warlock and note that Vulcan takes a punch to the face by Warlock.


http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/99413/1812758-warlock_vsvulcan5.jpg

Hal's toast.

Um, vulcan just controls the GL energy and kills him with it

Originally posted by Genii96
Um, vulcan just controls the GL energy and kills him with it

Despite Abby's lowball attempt?

Hal overpowers him.

Easy.

Vulcan is being underrated here. I usually ride with Hal in most fights, but blasts and constructs are all light/energy. Vulcan and absorb and manipulate. Its like dr.lightx100. I cant say who wins here. If i were to give Hal a majority, its only due to his years of combat. I cant call it though.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Vulcan is being underrated here. I usually ride with Hal in most fights, but blasts and constructs are all light/energy. Vulcan and absorb and manipulate. Its like dr.lightx100. I cant say who wins here. If i were to give Hal a majority, its only due to his years of combat. I cant call it though.

Sure you can, take the emotion out of it. It's literally the worse match up possible for Hal, that's not knock on him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Vulcan is being underrated here. I usually ride with Hal in most fights, but blasts and constructs are all light/energy. Vulcan and absorb and manipulate. Its like dr.lightx100. I cant say who wins here. If i were to give Hal a majority, its only due to his years of combat. I cant call it though.
He's not dr.light x 100, because Dr.Light's control is so powerful that it would override Vulcan's.

I believe it's entirely possible for Vulcan to manipulate GL energy, but that doesn't mean that he's capable of overriding Hal's control.

Hal also manipulates said energy, and can manipulate/absorb most kinds of energy.

In addition to that he has a history of a much greater scope of power and one of the most powerful wills in comics.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hal overpowers him.

Easy. False.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I believe it's entirely possible for Vulcan to manipulate GL energy, but that doesn't mean that he's capable of overriding Hal's control.

Hal also manipulates said energy, and can manipulate/absorb most kinds of energy.

In addition to that he has a history of a much greater scope of power and one of the most powerful wills in comics. Yeah, I wonder about how the whole emotional spectrum aspect goes down here. I agree about Vulcan being almost certainly able to manipulate the green energy, but how well can he do it compared to Hal? The green energy is fueled by willpower - it requires great willpower to wield it properly, and you must also be able to overcome fear to gain the greatest power from it. Hal has a very strong will and is well trained and experienced in the use of the energy. While on the other hand Vulcan was unstable and bit of a tantrum thrower, he didn't strike me as being a guy who was without or on top of his own fears, possibly making him a less effective wielder. This may come down to who can exert the best control.

At first glance this looks like a fight where Vulcan has all the advantage, but I'm not so sure.

Originally posted by basilisk
Yeah, I wonder about how the whole emotional spectrum aspect goes down here. I agree about Vulcan being almost certainly able to manipulate the green energy, but how well can he do it compared to Hal? The green energy is fueled by willpower - it requires great willpower to wield it properly, and you must also be able to overcome fear to gain the greatest power from it. Hal has a very strong will and is well trained and experienced in the use of the energy. While on the other hand Vulcan was unstable and bit of a tantrum thrower, he didn't strike me as being a guy who was without or on top of his own fears, possibly making him a less effective wielder. This may come down to who can exert the best control.

At first glance this looks like a fight where Vulcan has all the advantage, but I'm not so sure.

Well Hal still has the advantage when it comes to speed, power outuput, versatility, experience, etc

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well Hal still has the advantage when it comes to speed, power outuput, versatility, experience, etc Yeah, he definitely has a few other tricks up his sleeve. I don't think this fight is cut and dried in Vulcan's favor.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Sure you can, take the emotion out of it. It's literally the worse match up possible for Hal, that's not knock on him.

Lol. Well i dont wanna call it, dammit.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He's not dr.light x 100, because Dr.Light's control is so powerful that it would override Vulcan's.


WEll considering Vulcan is an omega mutant, are you saying/implying Light>Vulcan? Curious.

Originally posted by Cogito
Atrocitus created the red battery using blood magic from the Five Inversions, which at times has also been mentioned to be mixed in to the vomit plasma (if not the constructs as well, I don't recall precisely).

Atrocitus in particular has been using blood magic for eons. As you said, it is what he used to fashion the Red Battery:
http://i.imgur.com/P6Api1A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s038Vjr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sOyP2Ja.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U9nDB0P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r8pvNhC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/o2DdQck.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M98MBz1.jpg

He can also use it to 'purify' the minds of his Corpsmen, track down other entities from the emotional spectrum, etc.


Blood magic is also what enabled him to preform this laughably haxx resurrection feat:
http://i.imgur.com/meOg9hwm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LYJ6FFNm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/02EvOfwm.jpg



So yeah, given the RLC's magical foundation, it makes sense that all/most of their powers would be reinforced with magic on *some* level, imo.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You GTFOOH you butt hurt meant muppet, that Warlock would have beat the living hell out of Halle Berry. That's why that version didn't last long. Try reading Annihilation II for a clue. You're an idiot. Also, you scans are loading too slow. If it's the scans of Havok beating Vulcan with a point blank surprise attack right after he absorbed the equivalent of a star, a) you ain't telling me shit, I have the issue and b) that's hardly a low showing. You're lowing balling is filthy. So for all your crying, I proved that Vulcan was able to absorb Quantum Magic with no problem, which isn't light energy. Deal with it.

Vulcan easily drained Warlock.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99413/1812757-warlock_vsvulcan4.jpg

By the way, check the strength feat by Warlock and note that Vulcan takes a punch to the face by Warlock.


http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/99413/1812758-warlock_vsvulcan5.jpg

Hal's toast.
Maybe you should read some green Lantern comics before making any comments.

Oh right, you've never read any comic.

Havok had absorbed only a portion of the star's power.

Hal would beat the shit out of Warlock. Magic or no magic, you don't mess with Highball.

Originally posted by jrodslam
WEll considering Vulcan is an omega mutant, are you saying/implying Light>Vulcan? Curious.
Considering Dr. Light's feats, why not? Havok amped on a portion of a star's power made Vulcan his *****. Dr. Light casually defeated and drained all the power from female Dr Light who is directly powered by a star.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe you should read some green Lantern comics before making any comments.

Oh right, you've never read any comic.

Havok had absorbed only a portion of the star's power.

Hal would beat the shit out of Warlock. Magic or no magic, you don't mess with Highball.

I love to see you hungry, barefoot and pregnant.

Way to troll. No really.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I love to see you hungry, barefoot and pregnant.

Originally posted by jrodslam
WEll considering Vulcan is an omega mutant, are you saying/implying Light>Vulcan? Curious.
Yes, most definitely.

Vulcan might win a matchup due to far higher durability and regeneration, but Dr.Light is better when it comes to manipulating energy.

Light's taken over Cassie's lasso, Superboy's HV and Kyle's constructs.

And, like I said, Hal is more powerful overall.

Hal every time.

Vulcan's Abilities

- Vast energy absorption, manipulation, transformation and projection
-'Flight
- Force field projection and manipulation
- Life support and limited regeneration
- Variable energy blasts
- Limited super power replication and repression
- Energy siphon and disruption
- Psionic resistance



According to information from his creator, (Ed Brubaker), Vulcan has a "hidden potential" which allows him to fully generate and have control over the 7 elements (fire, earth, electricity, wind, water, darkness, and light). Due to this supposed/intended ability, it can be argued that Vulcan is a match for other god-like heroes such as Black Bolt , Thor or Silver Surfer according to his creator

yeah...none of that matters. he has been able to totally shut down the minds of heroes before, even jean. he should be able to muddle with hal's mind. it's not tp, it's energy manip. he should also be able to handle hal's shields. the energy that fuelled the eldest made him dwarf even gladiator in power, so the power level of the opponent really doesn't matter in that regard. not saying he can manipulate a skyfather, but i don't think hal's being more powerful overall (if he is) would be an issue as the difference wouldn't be that great. if hal's entire power base wasn't dependent on the exact thing vulcan specializes in, i'd say he can take it. but....like i said, i still don't see anyway, other than saying he's hal, that he logically wins this very often....

Vulcan. Every time.

Originally posted by Zack M
D.C. every time.

Fixed it for you, Zack.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Fixed it for you, Zack.






LMAO! Damn!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Fixed it for you, Zack.

Maybe if Marvel wasn't weak, little bitches they might actually win something.

Lower power levels, better stories.

Lantern cannot win, he's dumber than a chomper:

vvkqNzNbf_g

More proof:

IwNmQTpAc2w

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lower power levels, better stories.

Don't lie to yourself, Stilt. Plus the conversation has nothing to do with that.

See the vids. Hal beats himself, Vulcan just needs to sit and watch.

Originally posted by Zack M
Maybe if Marvel wasn't weak, little bitches they might actually win something. Marvel is far more powerful and only a Few in DC can destroy planets.

Originally posted by Zack M
Maybe if Marvel wasn't weak, little bitches they might actually win something.

They aren't they probably have more uber characters than retarded ass D.C., it's just that they don't focus on the upper tier characters as much so they can you know, write good stories.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah...none of that matters. he has been able to totally shut down the minds of heroes before, even jean. he should be able to muddle with hal's mind. it's not tp, it's energy manip. he should also be able to handle hal's shields. the energy that fuelled the eldest made him dwarf even gladiator in power, so the power level of the opponent really doesn't matter in that regard. not saying he can manipulate a skyfather, but i don't think hal's being more powerful overall (if he is) would be an issue as the difference wouldn't be that great. if hal's entire power base wasn't dependent on the exact thing vulcan specializes in, i'd say he can take it. but....like i said, i still don't see anyway, other than saying he's hal, that he logically wins this very often....
Actually no. He had Darwin's power when he controlled Rachel.

http://i.imgur.com/CxVxJyw.jpg

The Eldest defeated Vulcan twice before Vulcan attacked his race and broke the connection with the eldest. It wasn't a direct victory.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
They aren't they probably have more uber characters than retarded ass D.C., it's just that they don't focus on the upper tier characters as much so they can you know, write good stories.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah...but don't forget...

http://i.imgur.com/Mc5MmWV.jpg

Krona had the embodiment of willpower inside him at the time. PLUS the rings are unable to harm a Guardian. Hal overrode those controls.

Plus, isn't Hal the embodiment of will power now? Basically an energy being.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually no. He had Darwin's power when he controlled Rachel.

http://i.imgur.com/CxVxJyw.jpg

The Eldest defeated Vulcan twice before Vulcan attacked his race and broke the connection with the eldest. It wasn't a direct victory.

yeah i've had that discussion many times. i think it was his own power that he used to shut down power. darwin's powers are personal. he seemed to use energy in the brain against the person to shut down powers. i'd need to go back and look again, but i don't think darwin's powers really played much of a role. he also had someone else's but their power never really surfaced either iirc.

vulcan is dumb at times, doesn't mean he would miss the same thing here. he could have done it right away. not sure how it's not a victory though. even though he didn't think of it, it was still him who pulled it off.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lantern cannot win, he's dumber than a chomper:

vvkqNzNbf_g

More proof:

IwNmQTpAc2w

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i've had that discussion many times. i think it was his own power that he used to shut down power. darwin's powers are personal. he seemed to use energy in the brain against the person to shut down powers. i'd need to go back and look again, but i don't think darwin's powers really played much of a role. he also had someone else's but their power never really surfaced either iirc.

vulcan is dumb at times, doesn't mean he would miss the same thing here. he could have done it right away. not sure how it's not a victory though. even though he didn't think of it, it was still him who pulled it off.

Vulcan could have the brain of Absorbing Man and still win easily. He's see green energy constructs and achieve and erection.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i've had that discussion many times. i think it was his own power that he used to shut down power. darwin's powers are personal. he seemed to use energy in the brain against the person to shut down powers. i'd need to go back and look again, but i don't think darwin's powers really played much of a role. he also had someone else's but their power never really surfaced either iirc.

vulcan is dumb at times, doesn't mean he would miss the same thing here. he could have done it right away. not sure how it's not a victory though. even though he didn't think of it, it was still him who pulled it off.

That's his downfall. Even if he was smarter, Hal still has the means to resist and take him out.

Hal ftw,

He's friggin' HAL JORDAN!

And he takes this.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i've had that discussion many times. i think it was his own power that he used to shut down power. darwin's powers are personal. he seemed to use energy in the brain against the person to shut down powers. i'd need to go back and look again, but i don't think darwin's powers really played much of a role. he also had someone else's but their power never really surfaced either iirc.


He was more powerful than usual. That showing can't be used because of that.

He disconnected the power supply for the Eldest. That's not the same as directly beating him.

He can't do that to Hal.

Originally posted by Zack M
That's his downfall. Even if he was smarter, Hal still has the means to resist and take him out.

No he doesn't. There is no resisting Vulcan.

Vulcan ftw.

Hal.

Hal

Originally posted by Cogito
Doesn't matter 'cause it's GL Hal

DAFUC does that mean? Since when did Hal fanboys become Batman fanboys? Hal isn't unbeatable, far from it.

Originally posted by leonidas
i thought red lantern energy was magic as well....or magic-based. doesn't matter, vulcan easily took control of warlock's 'quantum' magic and beat the f*** out of him....

Pointed that out earlier and showed pics. They don't care. They want their information from a D.C. only perspective, anything else doesn't register. Vulcan's whole thing is the efficiency with which he is able to pluck energy right out of super energy imbued beings. It's like cheating in super hero comics, but that's what the hell he does. That's the character. GL, with a single exotic power source would be the worst match up possible. By the way, Annihilus would snack on a GL ring like a handful of skittles.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
DAFUC does that mean? Since when did Hal fanboys become Batman fanboys? Hal isn't unbeatable, far from it.

g007-psyduck

You don't read so well, do you?

red Lantern's attacks aren't simply just energy.

Originally posted by Cogito
g007-psyduck

You don't read so well, do you?

Yes, I do. Mentioning his name and hoping others feel awe is not debating.

Originally posted by Zack M
red Lantern's attacks aren't simply just energy.

What are they, punches and kicks?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, I do. Mentioning his name and hoping others feel awe is not debating.

Then you may want to try to comprehend, and while you're at it, brush up on context.

If you're still struggling, try reading what I said and the few comments before it and come back.

Originally posted by Cogito
Then you may want to try to comprehend, and while you're at it, brush up on context.

If you're still struggling, try reading what I said and the few comments before it and come back.

What makes you think I didn't? You are implying he wins because he is Hal Jordan which is intellectually bankrupt, but fanboy friendly.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What makes you think I didn't? You are implying he wins because he is Hal Jordan which is intellectually bankrupt, but fanboy friendly.

You aren't comprehending, which is something you clearly routinely struggle with.

Let's recap:
- I commented on the nature of Red Lantern's magical energies and the source
- I commented on the fact that Red Lanterns don't matter regardless, because Hal is a Green Lantern.

I made no claim as to who wins, nor any insinuation as to which way I'd even lean.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What are they, punches and kicks?

Why do you have to be so stupid?

Originally posted by Zack M
Why do you have to be so stupid?

Why did you get reported?

Go ahead.

Originally posted by Cogito
You aren't comprehending, which is something you clearly routinely struggle with.

Let's recap:
- I commented on the nature of Red Lantern's magical energies and the source
- I commented on the fact that Red Lanterns don't matter regardless, because Hal is a Green Lantern.

I made no claim as to who wins, nor any insinuation as to which way I'd even lean.

That is not a matter of comprehension, it's a matter of effective communication, or lack thereof. If you wanted to emphasize his existence as a Green Lantern, it would have been better to say something like "It doesn't matter, Hal is a Green Lantern." The two items mentioned in your recap doesn't even make sense. Both Red Lanterns and Green Lanterns manipulate energy and Vulcan's ability to manipulate energy, all energy, dwarfs theirs, so they have that vulnerability in common.

Nope.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That is not a matter of comprehension, it's a matter of effective communication, or lack thereof. If you wanted to emphasize his existence as a Green Lantern, it would have been better to say something like "It doesn't matter, Hal is a Green Lantern." The two items mentioned in your recap doesn't even make sense. Both Red Lanterns and Green Lanterns manipulate energy and Vulcan's ability to manipulate energy, all energy, dwarfs theirs, so they have that vulnerability in common. Sorry for your struggles - must be hard if everyone needs to talk slowly and deliberately like you're a child so you can keep up

Originally posted by Cogito
Sorry for your struggles - must be hard if everyone needs to talk slowly and deliberately like you're a child so you can keep up

Don't worry about it, the tutorial was free this time. Let me know if you need a refresher.

Still handing out free, shitty tutorials?

Krona was draining Hal's energy, and controlling it.

He also had the embodiment of willpower under his control.

Hal straight up overrode Krona's control, AND the safeguards that the Guardians put in, and killed Krona, whilst he had all the entities under his control.

So yeah, trying to say Vulcan can control Hal better than Ion, Krona or the Guardians is....reaching.

Originally posted by Zack M
Still handing out free, shitty tutorials?

You're excused, but next time go to the bathroom.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Krona was draining Hal's energy, and controlling it.

He also had the embodiment of willpower under his control.

Hal straight up overrode Krona's control, AND the safeguards that the Guardians put in, and killed Krona, whilst he had all the entities under his control.

So yeah, trying to say Vulcan can control Hal better than Ion, Krona or the Guardians is....reaching.


Not at all. None of those character's specialty is stealing energy like Vulcan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Krona was draining Hal's energy, and controlling it.

He also had the embodiment of willpower under his control.

Hal straight up overrode Krona's control, AND the safeguards that the Guardians put in, and killed Krona, whilst he had all the entities under his control.

So yeah, trying to say Vulcan can control Hal better than Ion, Krona or the Guardians is....reaching.

Originally posted by Zack M


Oh so predictable. D.C. should cut you a check for all the promotion you do on their behalf. They need it because they suck dicks in hell.

Don't be so predictable, BAV.

Not here, guys. Take it to PMs or just don't do it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Krona was draining Hal's energy, and controlling it.

He also had the embodiment of willpower under his control.

Hal straight up overrode Krona's control, AND the safeguards that the Guardians put in, and killed Krona, whilst he had all the entities under his control.

So yeah, trying to say Vulcan can control Hal better than Ion, Krona or the Guardians is....reaching.

those are def valid points. it's also valid to say that is an extreme outlier, even for hal. i'd still give this to vulcan going by standard showings for hal, but you've all convinced me it's likely closer than i may have originally thought.

and for the love of everything that's holy why the F*** does EVERYONE on the forum not put BAV on ignore?? it's maddening, seriously. if everyone ignored him i wouldn't be forced to read his motherf****** quoted posts and wouldn't be forced to follow his trolling or, more embarrassing, especially for forum vets, watch others get drawn into the troll-fests. f****** spam is getting tiresome in so many f****** threads. ignore him, or stop responding to his sh!t. seriously. and i'm begging y'all--stop quoting his bullsh!t.

Originally posted by leonidas
those are def valid points. it's also valid to say that is an extreme outlier, even for hal. i'd still give this to vulcan going by standard showings for hal, but you've all convinced me it's likely closer than i may have originally thought.

and for the love of everything that's holy why the F*** does EVERYONE on the forum not put BAV on ignore?? it's maddening, seriously. if everyone ignored him i wouldn't be forced to read his motherf****** quoted posts and wouldn't be forced to follow his trolling or, more embarrassing, especially for forum vets, watch others get drawn into the troll-fests. f****** spam is getting tiresome in so many f****** threads. ignore him, or stop responding to his sh!t. seriously. and i'm begging y'all--stop quoting his bullsh!t.

Ok, agreed.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You GTFOOH you butt hurt meant muppet, that Warlock would have beat the living hell out of Halle Berry. That's why that version didn't last long. Try reading Annihilation II for a clue. You're an idiot. Also, you scans are loading too slow. If it's the scans of Havok beating Vulcan with a point blank surprise attack right after he absorbed the equivalent of a star, a) you ain't telling me shit, I have the issue and b) that's hardly a low showing. You're lowing balling is filthy. So for all your crying, I proved that Vulcan was able to absorb Quantum Magic with no problem, which isn't light energy. Deal with it.

Vulcan easily drained Warlock.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99413/1812757-warlock_vsvulcan4.jpg

By the way, check the strength feat by Warlock and note that Vulcan takes a punch to the face by Warlock.


http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/99413/1812758-warlock_vsvulcan5.jpg

Hal's toast.



Hey Saint, I'm writing in large print since you seem to be having problems with your vision. You said I don't post scans when I debate. I just wanted to tell you, the picture above is called a scan and I posted it. You can bookmark this if you like for future reference.

P.S: Leo, here's some more material for your crying. Have fun.

Hal wins.

Vulcan wins a HUGE majority. Like a clean sweep win.

No, he doesn't. Vulcan isn't anything Hal hasn't seen before.

Hal has faced Krona, with the Ion entity draining him. He overpowered that, and overpowered the Guardians no harm policy, and killed Krona.

If his willpower can overpower the embodiment of will's control on the emotional spectrum, PLUS a Guardians' control....he can override Vulcan's control.

Hal's willpower is just haxx like that. Oh, you can control Lantern energy? Well, Hal has that +1.

Originally posted by carver9
Vulcan wins a HUGE majority. Like a clean sweep win.

How tho?

Originally posted by leonidas
those are def valid points. it's also valid to say that is an extreme outlier, even for hal. i'd still give this to vulcan going by standard showings for hal, but you've all convinced me it's likely closer than i may have originally thought.

and for the love of everything that's holy why the F*** does EVERYONE on the forum not put BAV on ignore?? it's maddening, seriously. if everyone ignored him i wouldn't be forced to read his motherf****** quoted posts and wouldn't be forced to follow his trolling or, more embarrassing, especially for forum vets, watch others get drawn into the troll-fests. f****** spam is getting tiresome in so many f****** threads. ignore him, or stop responding to his sh!t. seriously. and i'm begging y'all--stop quoting his bullsh!t.


Go home and change your moist thong. You're begging? Classic!!

Originally posted by Decter
How tho?

Because he such the energy out of energy based power set. He's demonstrated unprecedented control in this area.

Hal's will will overcome Vulcan.

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No Prep..
No B.F.R..
Pre.Darksied War..







G.Summers


Vs

Hal

Hal. He can "out-will" anything Vulcan tries to throw at him, as he's dealt with far greater controllers of the energy he uses.

Hal's track record is too damn good, and his high end too insurmountable.

Wouldn't this be Vulcans fight to lose?

You'd think so, but Hal's will has been hax lately.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wouldn't this be Vulcans fight to lose?

So, here he is fighting Krona, who not only is a Guardian (and thus, unable to be killed by a ring), but also had all the emotional entities under his control - including Ion.

Krona was able to redirect ALL of Hal's will, with a simple shrug:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-2.png

This was due to him controlling Ion, and thus, willpower:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-3.png

He was even able to drain Hal's ring:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-5.png

And yet...

We all know what happened in the end of that fight.

Krona+Ion's control of a Lantern's ring >>> Vulcan's control. Ion IS willpower. And Hal just overrode that. He overrode the Guardians' failsafe to stop it killing one of their own.

OK well I'm convinced. Hal wins ugly, but it should be noted that his Krona era feats were not his average or norm showings. It's really taking him at his very best and throwing him up against a high herald level energy manipulator. Hal was operating at low end Sky Father levels at least. That's not really his average.

like i said--hal obviously has the higher showings, but he does not always fight at that level.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wouldn't this be Vulcans fight to lose?

Of course.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, here he is fighting Krona, who not only is a Guardian (and thus, unable to be killed by a ring), but also had all the emotional entities under his control - including Ion.

Krona was able to redirect ALL of Hal's will, with a simple shrug:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-2.png

This was due to him controlling Ion, and thus, willpower:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-3.png

He was even able to drain Hal's ring:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-5.png

And yet...

We all know what happened in the end of that fight.

Krona+Ion's control of a Lantern's ring >>> Vulcan's control. Ion IS willpower. And Hal just overrode that. He overrode the Guardians' failsafe to stop it killing one of their own.

Is this just a high end showing or were there other showings that proves he was operating above normal?

Hal is a being of PURE will power now. He's actually more dangerous AND he has the Krona gauntlets.

Vulcan will still control his energy though.

It won't do much. Hal just put the smack down on PARALLAX recently. Vulcan isn't beating current Hal.

Like others have said: it's not in character for Johns-era Hal to go into every battle with his 'God-will' fully activated.

-Sinestro
-Krona
-Volthoom
-Nekron
-Parallax
etc.

They were all beating Hal initially. It was only when his 'standard' wasn't good enough that he dialed-up his willpower enough to win. As far as I'm concerned, Hal's will is just as dynamic as Hulk's strength, but that's neither here nor there...

Point being: Hal can obviously win if his God-will is in full-swing. However, I believe it is also within Vulcan's ability to beat him before that ever happened.

It would have to be near instant for that to occur...and Galan, good list. I note that they are mostly above HHs, with Sinestro being one of the premier ringslingers.

Losing to people like Volthoom, Krona etc INITIALLY, is no bad showing for a mere HH

Totally agree. But because those are the battles most are referencing, I felt like I should point out the specifics...

I agree with the point about his dynamic will. I wonder how full capacity, in this particular instance, would be treated. Genuine question.

Originally posted by carver9
Is this just a high end showing or were there other showings that proves he was operating above normal?

What's Hal's baseline willpower level? Baseline Hulk strength level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's Hal's baseline willpower level? Baseline Hulk strength level?

I'm asking if that's a one time showing.

Ah. Well, Galan has a nice little list of opponents Hal has beaten, all with great control of Lantern energy, all pretty much above HH level.

With his haxxed willpower.

Vulcan's a Low, right?

Edit: Also, what is your take on the full capacity rule here? If we take Gladiator as an example of another character whose powers depend on mindset, he starts off in a forum fight with full confidence levels. Hal too would have his willpower at full, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: Also, what is your take on the full capacity rule here? If we take Gladiator as an example of another character whose powers depend on mindset, he starts off in a forum fight with full confidence levels. Hal too would have his willpower at full, right? Per forum rules, characters fight at full capacity, but still in character. It is not in character for Hal to start off with his willpower at skyfather/abstract-busting levels, anymore than it's in character for Hulk to start off as "Teh Wurld Breakah!!!"

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I agree with the point about his dynamic will. I wonder how full capacity, in this particular instance, would be treated. Genuine question. See above.

He'd shred through Vulcan effortlessly at peak levels. That's not even a question.

...But his standard level is a different story, imo.

thing is, hal has been BEATEN by plenty of people too, so the question is how often does his 'god-will' (heh, like that ) actually kick in? the list of beings who have beaten, or made him look bad is....a lot longer than the list of godly beings he HAS beaten. the same can be said of course for almost any character. i guess i would question how often we assume god-will hal shows up. imo it's gotta be less than half, which is why i still say vulcan has the advantage in this. not because hal CAN'T win, but rather because he just wouldn't go all out as often as some believe he might.

that of course is purely opinion based though.

Reported.

nutkick

Krona and Nekron showings were flat out amazing... I say Hal slightly more often than not.

The amazing-er part is that he owned/punked Nekron twice in the same comic. Once as a Black Lantern, and then again as a Green Lantern.

But tbf, that was the same issue which likened Hal's willpower to the very first spark of existence--the light of creation itself. The issue also stated that Hal was an even greater willpower nexus than the Central Battery... So when I said 'God-will', I meant it literally, lol.


...IOW, Johns wants Hal inside him.

It is ridiculous when you override a well established failsafe based on pure will. Blasting Krona was secondary to me.

The Nekron one was just nuts considering the kind of threat he posed during the Black Lantern ordeal. He basically enslaved an abstract.

definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer

Superman is above abstract doe

Originally posted by leonidas
definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer
Even Johns GL isn't that powerful. That should tell you how powerful Johns Superman is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Johns GL isn't that powerful. That should tell you how powerful Johns Superman is.



Geoff Johns has gone on record stating that

"The first blow against the Justice Leagues was against Superman -- who's the most powerful of them all, I think, spiritually and physically."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47514

Of course the only thing he had Superman aka God of Strength do is float around in the background during the entire Darkseid/Anti-Monitor God War saga.

Typical Johns really, though he did give Superman one moment to shine in Justice League #50 where everyone is blasting the new Darkseid Baby, Shazam, Flash, Mr. Miracle, Three GL's, and Superman. Darkseid Baby blows them all away with Omega Beams except Superman who is stalemating him with heat vision. That was the only Superman moment John's really gave him. Most of the Superman moments went to Ultraman vs Mobius. I'm curious where Johns ranks Ultraman in relation to his Superman.

Originally posted by Sensui
Geoff Johns has gone on record stating that

"The first blow against the Justice Leagues was against Superman -- who's the most powerful of them all, I think, spiritually and physically."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47514

Of course the only thing he had Superman aka God of Strength do is float around in the background during the entire Darkseid/Anti-Monitor God War saga.

Typical Johns really, though he did give Superman one moment to shine in Justice League #50 where everyone is blasting the new Darkseid Baby, Shazam, Flash, Mr. Miracle, Three GL's, and Superman. Darkseid Baby blows them all away with Omega Beams except Superman who is stalemating him with heat vision. That was the only Superman moment John's really gave him. Most of the Superman moments went to Ultraman vs Mobius. I'm curious where Johns ranks Ultraman in relation to his Superman.
Yeah, Johns doesn't usually gives heavy hitters of any team much time to shine.

You should see how often Alan and Hector were all but useless in JSA.

That was insanely impressive given how that baby had the power of ALE as well. He also tanked an omega beam too.

And all the while dying too.

Originally posted by leonidas
definitively beat down superman and i'll be impressed. until then he hasn't done nothing. sneer

Double negative, so Hal has your vote!!