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PIS/CIS are both off

Who wins?

I would take The Thing for the win.

With PIS/CIS off, Rhino should be able to win.

Didn't he send Nova (Richard) flying to orbit with a single hit?

Didn't Thing compress skyscrapers into weapons?

He did, yes. Impressive str feat for sure, but w/o prep time, it's not much of an actual use in these threads.

Rhino has almost killed Fixit. Thing needed an AMP to beat Fixit... and guess what, he still got defeated in their rematch

I wasn't saying he should do that here, I was just citing it as a strength feat. I really wasn't aware that Rhino was placed in the same category as people like The Thing.

But if you say he is stronger than Thing is then meh, I just figured since he was a Spider-Man villain..I don't know how Spider-Man could ever defeat someone that could nearly kill Hulk.

But wait though I thought Fixit was one of the weaker incarnations of Hulk?

He's a jobber, for sure. Thing can theoretically qualify as one, too, but to a much lesser extent. That is why Rhino benefits so much from the extra no PIS/CIS rule in the OP.

But yeah, on paper, they're both just beneath the "official" Class 100 league, they both have fought the Hulk, both have been embarrassed by Spiderpussy, etc.

I'm saying he might be stronger - don't recall Thing ever sending someone into orbit.

Yes, he was. Sometimes he outperformed his green counterpart, though... like that time against Werewolf by Night.

I don't know if Thing sent someone into orbit, but the strength required to compress skyscrapers into weapons...I would think that would give you more than enough strength when it comes to sending an object weighing a mere couple hundred pounds into orbit.

Originally posted by Surtur

But wait though I thought Fixit was one of the weaker incarnations of Hulk?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Rhino has almost killed Fixit. Thing needed an AMP to beat Fixit... and guess what, he still got defeated in their rematch

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know if Thing sent someone into orbit, but the strength required to compress skyscrapers into weapons...I would think that would give you more than enough strength when it comes to sending an object weighing a mere couple hundred pounds into orbit.

One was an actual combat feat though, the other was not. But I see what you're saying. Just don't invite h1 here with his math.

Parker has plenty of villains that he should have no business even being in the vicinity of - Hydro Man, Sandman, Electro, Spot, Rhino, Morlun... and many others.

Originally posted by Surtur
I wasn't saying he should do that here, I was just citing it as a strength feat. I really wasn't aware that Rhino was placed in the same category as people like The Thing.

But if you say he is stronger than Thing is then meh, I just figured since he was a Spider-Man villain..I don't know how Spider-Man could ever defeat someone that could nearly kill Hulk.

But wait though I thought Fixit was one of the weaker incarnations of Hulk?


Which makes Caps victory over Rhino all the more ridiculous

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Which makes Caps victory over Rhino all the more ridiculous

Cap is kind of like the Batman of Marvel when it comes to jobbing.

To be fair, it's Cap. Doing the impossible stuff is a part of his powerset.

Hulk has fared even worse

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One was an actual combat feat though, the other was not. But I see what you're saying. Just don't invite h1 here with his math.

Parker has plenty of villains that he should have no business even being in the vicinity of - Hydro Man, Sandman, Electro, Spot, Rhino, Morlun... and many others.

Electero and Hydroman should be up there at Magneto and Icemans level. A being made of electricity getting beaten by a guy that shoots webs every single time is retarded.

I'm gonna go with Ben though on this one, based on Ben is just a straight up better fighter. Skyscrapers or orbit, they are pretty much evem exept is just a better fighter.

Pre-upgrade Wrecker has nearly killed Ben (lost in the end, though).

Rhino has three-shotted FP Wrecker and almost solo'd the entire Crew haermm

Ben FTW.

FTL*

Rhino. Extremely powerful character but he does have his lows. Love the showing where he was holding Sable underwater and Spiderman was unable to save her. Does anyone have that scan/scene. Been looking for that for a while.

Originally posted by carver9
Been looking for that for a while.

And it was THAT HARD to google it, carvmaster?

1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2910841-scan_4.jpeg
2. http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2012/06/file_190559_0_amazingspiderman687658-642x362.jpg
3. http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/70123/2535257-sable_drowning.jpeg

You're lucky that I like you

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, it's Cap. Doing the impossible stuff is a part of his powerset.

Hulk has fared even worse

The same applies to Spiderman.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The same applies to Spiderman.

Somewhat, yeah. And every other popular character, tbh.

Its almost like we're reading comics.

Thing without much difficulty. He's stronger and has better fighting skill

Your math fails you again, as he's not stronger.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/th.jpg


http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/RhinoandThing.jpg

Context, context, lots of context.

Also, both have gotten stronger over the years, I believe Rhino has the edge now.

Good speed feat for Thing he was able to get close to Rhino to trip him. I think Thing would win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Your math fails you again, as he's not stronger.

OK what are Rhinos strength feats?

Sending Novadick into orbit with a single strike.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sending Novadick into orbit with a single strike. Any scans or issue numbers?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sending Novadick into orbit with a single strike.

There's no appreciable strength difference on either part, but there is a huge skill difference in favor of Ben. If I remember correctly from my marvel profiles back in the day, Ben was class 85 and Rhino was class 90.

Originally posted by h1a8
Any scans or issue numbers?

Don't have the full scene, as the scans expired years ago.

Here is Nova after taking the hit:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14149979

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't have the full scene, as the scans expired years ago.

Here is Nova after taking the hit:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14149979

If you know the issue reference, I can(probably) provide the scans for the full scene.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you know the issue reference, I can(probably) provide the scans for the full scene.

No clue, sorry. I've browsed through 70 KMC search results (more or less) just to find that scan.

I did, however, checked out Rhino's respect thread on reddit Here's the whole scene:

http://imgur.com/a/z9HLH

Respect link: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4h5k7n/respect_the_rhino_marvel_616/

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No clue, sorry. I've browsed through 70 KMC search results (more or less) just to find that scan.

I did, however, checked out Rhino's respect thread on reddit Here's the whole scene:

http://imgur.com/a/z9HLH

Respect link: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4h5k7n/respect_the_rhino_marvel_616/

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you know the issue reference, I can(probably) provide the scans for the full scene.

Nova #1 (Vol.3)

^^^Ha, i have that issue in my garage. I thought this sounded familiar.

She-Hulk in stockings, a priceless comic.

Not priceless. I'd sell it for like $5.

Is Rhino really being compared to Thing here ?

Thing has battled wayyyy better competition, is smarter, has the better strength feats, and Rhino is a JOBBER.

Originally posted by Decter
PIS/CIS are both off

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No clue, sorry. I've browsed through 70 KMC search results (more or less) just to find that scan.

I did, however, checked out Rhino's respect thread on reddit Here's the whole scene:

http://imgur.com/a/z9HLH

Respect link: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4h5k7n/respect_the_rhino_marvel_616/ lol That's ridiculous. Then in the next scene he's getting manhandled by she Hulk. I would simply dismiss that scene as PIS since he always operated around 75 tons and that scene is a one off outlier with a contradiction in the end (she hulk).

You are ridiculous, h1.

"I don't like it, it didn't happen". Well, guess what. It did.

Again with the "always"...? You know nothing about Spidey villains. As for She-Hulk, it's hardly the first time she beat a powerful brick.

Punching what a 180 pound guy into orbit when you are in the 75-100 tonner class seem pretty easy.

This fight would be so one sided, that it would need to be stopped due to a no contest. Sure Rhino has the strength to keep up (barely), but lacks the skill. Ben was the world champ of super wrestlers.