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Same situation and place minus Kenobi. Dooku is told by Sidious that he will be replaced unless he defeats Anakin.

Dooku is going all out and isn't holding back in terms of force powers.

Anakin is in his usual mindset and hasn't seen Obi Wan get hurt.

Starting Distance of 15 meters

We've told you a dozen times that Skywalker destroyed Dooku fair-and-square. He does so again here.

Anakin rapes sans the Vaseline.

I don't see why he can't abuse force lightning, TK, dun moch, etc like he did on Naboo. Sidious told him not to kill Anakin so I can see why he would be holding back.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Anakin rapes sans the Vaseline.
Who the hell uses vaseline when raping someone?

It makes for smoother transition, obviously.

Originally posted by Kurk
I don't see why he can't abuse force lightning, TK, dun moch, etc like he did on Naboo. Sidious told him not to kill Anakin so I can see why he would be holding back.
Dooku also said "screw it, I'll kill him and Palpatine can find someone else" (paraphrasing). Skywalker still destroyed him. Have you read the fight?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
It makes for smoother transition, obviously.
I'm sure you would know.

Anakin will probably scale up to Dooku, .ie if Dooku starts winning he'll go all-out and curbstomp the count. Dooku's best shot is winning quickly while Skywalker is still restrained, but Anakin would sense if he were in that mindset.

Anakin wins, good fight.

Originally posted by Kurk
I'm sure you would know.
mmm

At the end of the fight Dooku was regaining the advantage with Dun Moch until Sidious intervened. It confused and shocked Dooku costing him the win.

Anakin beating Dooku was one of his 4/10 wins.

Here, Kurk:

"Very well, then," the Jedi said, and shot straight upward over Dooku's head so fast it seemed he'd vanished.

And in the space where Kenobi's chest had been was now only the blue lightning of Skywalker's blade driving straight for Dooku's heart.

Only a desperate whirl to one side made what would have been a smoking hole in his chest into a line of scorch through his armorweave cloak.

Dooku thought, What?

He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover his composure-that had been entirely too close-but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a reverse ankle-sweep- But not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack, Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord un-seremoniously to the floor. This was not in the plan. Skywalker slammed his following strike down so hard that the shock of deflecting it buckled Dooku's elbows. Dooku threw himself into a backroll that brought him to his feet-and Kenobi's blade was there to meet his neck. Only a desperate whirling slash-block, coupled with a wheel kick that caught Kenobi on the thigh, bought him enough time to leap away again, and when he touched down- Skywalker was already there.

The first overhand chop of Skywalker's blade slid off Dooku's instinctive guard. The second bent Dooku's wrist. The third flash of blue forced Dooku's scarlet blade so far to the inside that his own lightsaber scorched his shoulder, and Dooku was forced to give ground.

Dooku felt himself blanch. Where had this come from? Skywalker came on, mechanically inexorable, impossibly powerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step. Dooku backed away as fast as he dared; Skywalker stayed right on top of him. Dooku's breath went short and hard. He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to-strength-not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing-

And only then did Dooku understand that he'd been suckered.

Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen. His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head. Especially not while also defending against a second attacker.

It was time to alter his own tactics.

He dropped low and spun into another reverse ankle-sweep-the weakness of Djem So was its lack of mobility-that slapped Skywalker's boot sharply enough to throw the young Jedi off balance, giving Dooku the opportunity to leap away- Only to find himself again facing the wheel of blue lightning that was Kenobi's blade.

Dooku decided that the comedy had ended. Now it was time to kill.

Kenobi's Master had been Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku's own Padawan; Dooku had fenced Qui-Gon thousands of times, and he knew every weakness of the Ataro form, with its ridiculous acrobatics. He drove a series of flashing thrusts toward Kenobi's legs to draw the Jedi Master into a flipping overhead leap so that Dooku could burn through his spine from kidneys to shoulder blades-and this image, this plan, was so clear in Dooku's mind that he almost failed to notice that Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than was necessary, deflecting without effort, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well.

Kenobi had become a master of Soresu.

Dooku found himself having a sudden, unexpected, overpowering, and entirely distressing bad feeling about this...

His farce had suddenly, inexplicably, spun from humorous to deadly serious and was tumbling rapidly toward terrifying. Realization burst through Dooku's consciousness like the blossoming fireballs of dying ships outside: this pair of Jedi fools had somehow managed to become entirely dangerous.

These clowns might-just possibly-actually be able to beat him.

No sense taking chances; even his Master would agree with that. Lord Sidious could come up with a new plan more easily than a new apprentice.

He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall, but Dooku didn't have time to enjoy it.

Skywalker was all over him.

The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-

Skywalker was getting stronger.

Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.

He decided he'd best revise his strategy once again.

He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.

That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze and now Kenobi was back in the picture: with a shout of the Force, he shot like a torpedo up the stairs behind Skywalker, and Dooku decided that under these rather extreme circumstances, it was at least arguably permissible for a gentleman to cheat.

"Guards!" he said to the pair of super battle droids that still stood at attention to either side of the entrance. "Open fire!"

...

Skywalker leapt from the balcony. Even as the boy hurtled downward, Dooku felt a new twist in the currents of the Force between them, and he finally understood.

He understood how Skywalker was getting stronger. Why he no longer spoke. How he had become a machine of battle. He understood why Sidious had been so interested in him for so long.

Skywalker was a natural.

There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it. This boy had the gift of fury.

And even now, he was holding himself back; even now, as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread.

Originally posted by Kurk
At the end of the fight Dooku was regaining the advantage with Dun Moch until Sidious intervened. It confused and shocked Dooku costing him the win.

Anakin beating Dooku was one of his 4/10 wins.

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No, the text stated he "altered his tactics" prior to his attempt to kill Kenobi (which ended with him realizing Kenobi mastered Soresu).

He already stopped the toying and planned to kill them.

At the point he said he wasn't taking second chances, he was going to kill both. Palpatine would find a new apprentice. Skywalker was going to die.

Okay but he had a false sense of security thinking Sidious would save him so maybe he didn't truly go all out near the end.

And you're forgetting the following quotes:
"Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk. Dooku allowed himself to relax; he felt that spirit of playfulness coming over him again as he and Skywalker spun 'round each other in their lethal dance. Whatever fun was to be had, he should enjoy while he could. Then Sidious, for some reason, decided to intervene. "Don't fear what you're feeling, Anakin, use it!" he barked in Palpatine's voice. "Call upon your fury. Focus it, and he cannot stand against you. Rage is your weapon. Strike now! Strike! Kill him!" Dooku thought blankly, Kill me? He and Skywalker paused for one single, final instant, blades locked together, staring at each other past a sizzling cross of scarlet against blue, and in that instant Dooku found himself wondering in bewildered astonishment if Sidious had suddenly lost his mind.
Didn't he understand the advice he'd just given? Whose side was he on, anyway? And through the cross of their blades he saw in Skywalker's eyes the promise of hell, and he felt a sickening presentiment that he already knew the answer to that question. Treachery is the way of the Sith."

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Hardly.

Originally posted by Kurk
At the end of the fight Dooku was regaining the advantage with Dun Moch until Sidious intervened. It confused and shocked Dooku costing him the win.

Anakin beating Dooku was one of his 4/10 wins.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Hardly.
Open to any other arguments

Only thing open is your ass to Dooku.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Only thing open is your ass to Dooku.
Dooku is a legend. I'd be happy to give him a good time in exchange for an apprenticeship.

Are you good enough to make him erect?

Originally posted by Kurk
Open to any other arguments

I was actually saying that your interpretation was correct. Anakin was winning until Dooku successfully Don Moch'd him, at which point he would have been victorious had Sheev not intervened.

I don't get how Beni thinks this is reaching considering it is literally what happens in the novel. Like, it's 100% inarguable.

Apart from when it didn't happen in the film and that wasn't Kurk's point anyway. mmm

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Are you good enough to make him erect? If not, he can just pop a viagra. Or he can call upon the dark-side of the force. Remember, the dark side of the force leads to many abilities, some of which are considered to be unnatural.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Apart from when it didn't happen in the film and that wasn't Kurk's point anyway. mmm
What do you think my point was then? It can be argued that Anakin one square and fair, or that Dooku could have won had certain circumstances not occurred. That's the whole point of a thesis-based argument. Either side can be argued; who wins the argument is dependent on who has the best facts and evidence.

Given their fights in TCW, it seems pretty clear to me that Skywalker would have always won their duel by ROTS, Kenobi being there or not.

That said, Dooku probably still has a chance, given his superior skill and knowledge/mastery of the Force. I mean anyone who can stomp Kenobi the way he did is clearly a threat.

But vast majority definitely goes to Skywalker.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given their fights in TCW, it seems pretty clear to me that Skywalker would have always won their duel by ROTS, Kenobi being there or not.

That said, Dooku probably still has a chance, given his superior skill and knowledge/mastery of the Force. I mean anyone who can stomp Kenobi the way he did is clearly a threat.

But vast majority definitely goes to Skywalker.
Sure. You would think Dooku would've learned to alter his tactics after being strangled on Naboo.

^ Tactically he was fighting defensively against a powerhouse, which was his best bet. But Skywalker only became even more powerful after that, so it's wasn't a simple case of changing tactics.

I mean he kind of got away with Dun Moch but in sabers there wasn't much he could do against such a beast.

Dooku gets wrecked once again, Anakin is just better at this point.

Anakin wins. Dooku is vastly overrated.

Dooku was visibly tired after fighting Anakin in ATOC; theres no scenario where he can beat Anakin circa ROTS

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Only thing open is your ass to Dooku. Zinger.

Dooku could probably ragdoll him as he does to multi-hundred meter long ships tbh

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Dooku could probably ragdoll him as he does to multi-hundred meter long ships tbh

Nah, OCW Anakin was ragdolling dreadnoughts.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Dooku could probably ragdoll him as he does to multi-hundred meter long ships tbh

Someone's a bit salty....

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nah, OCW Anakin was ragdolling dreadnoughts.

Which isn't as big as a cruiser of let's say 130 meters. Anyway in the OCW continuity Padawans can bench press Capital ships so Anakin's dreadnaught feat isn't that spectacular anyway.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was actually saying that your interpretation was correct. Anakin was winning until Dooku successfully Don Moch'd him, at which point he would have been victorious had Sheev not intervened.

I don't get how Beni thinks this is reaching considering it is literally what happens in the novel. Like, it's 100% inarguable.

Aren't you one of the fellows that argues that the novel's interpretation of the beginning of the fight isn't valid because it's shorter in the movie?

That scene didn't even happen in the movie, bro.

Yeah, he said in a thread that anything that didn't happen in the movie isn't canon. And now he's saying it's 100% inarguable because it happens in the novel, even though it doesn't happen in the movie.

We're discussing Kurk's interpretation of the novel and the events of the novel specifically. I can say Kurk is right about what happened in the book without my personal opinion coming into play.

Both the movie and the novel generally depict the same thing, Dooku was handeling himself until Anakin began tapping into his anger because he saw Obi-Wan supposedly die (which is why he went to check this after the fight) and later on Dooku's failed Dun Moch attempt. Dooku's Makashi can't take Anakin's Djem So but he does use other ways to circumvent this disadvantage, e.g. in TCW S4 he uses his superior power and lightning to turn the tide in his favor while in RotS he uses his superior positioning, mobility and martial ability to gain the advantage. So what it really comes down to is if you think Dooku's other advantages (Lightning, mobility, martial ability, ...) will be enough to compensate for Anakin's superior strength and Djem So.

Anakin's win really had nothing to do with Djem So being > Makashi.

Anakin won because he was more powerful. End of.

The RotS novelization and even the script make it clear that Dooku was struggling with Anakin even before he let loose. Yeah, he did manage to take out Obi Wan and kick Anakin away - but Anakin was also consciously holding back.

And as Thor alluded to, the novelization makes it clear that Dooku was getting thoroughly destroyed in every capacity, not that he was suffering from a technical form mismatch.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The RotS novelization and even the script make it clear that Dooku was struggling with Anakin even before he let loose. Yeah, he did manage to take out Obi Wan and kick Anakin away - but Anakin was also consciously holding back.

And as Thor alluded to, the novelization makes it clear that Dooku was getting thoroughly destroyed in every capacity, not that he was suffering from a technical form mismatch.

Anakin was never holding back, restraining from unleashing all his anger is something completely else. The RotS novelization litteraly says that Dooku's Makashi can't go head-to-head with Anakin's Djem So, especially with a second fighter in the form of Obi-Wan. The part where Dooku is struggling with Anakin is when he's still meeting Anakin head on, while, after realizing that Anakin's using Djem So, he changes tactics.

People confuse a normal Anakin with the one that suddenly released all is anger, which he has been building up for years.

Dooku apologist are absolutely disgusting.

The dude was nothing more than a disposable scrub; get over it.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Dooku apologist are absolutely disgusting.

The dude was nothing more than a disposable scrub; get over it.
He was still one of the most influential people in the galaxy; right up there with Vader.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Anakin was never holding back, restraining from unleashing all his anger is something completely else. The RotS novelization litteraly says that Dooku's Makashi can't go head-to-head with Anakin's Djem So, especially with a second fighter in the form of Obi-Wan. The part where Dooku is struggling with Anakin is when he's still meeting Anakin head on, while, after realizing that Anakin's using Djem So, he changes tactics.

People confuse a normal Anakin with the one that suddenly released all is anger, which he has been building up for years.

The question of whether the Anakin that won was "normal" Anakin is separate from whether said Anakin would've beat Dooku regardless of the form disparity, which he clearly would've.

As for normal Anakin vs. Dooku, Anakin would win barring emotional mess ups. Whether this is due to just being better or the match up particulars is difficult to say.

Originally posted by Kurk
He was still one of the most influential people in the galaxy; right up there with Vader.
Yeah, as a pawn, kek.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, as a pawn, kek.
Just like Vader

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The question of whether the Anakin that won was "normal" Anakin is separate from whether said Anakin would've beat Dooku regardless of the form disparity, which he clearly would've.

As for normal Anakin vs. Dooku, Anakin would win barring emotional mess ups. Whether this is due to just being better or the match up particulars is difficult to say.

I definitely like to see some evidence that Anakin would have beaten Dooku, even regardless of the form disparity. The RotS novel said that Anakin's Djem So + Obi-Wan was the reason Dooku couldn't take Anakin head on, that doesn't mean that he couldn't take him at al which he, even looking at the movie, actually had the chance to. That Anakin, under very specific circumstances (Obi-Wan's supposed death and Palpatine's encouragement) can defeat the Count? Sure, that's what happened in RotS but in this thread you take away these circumstances and you have a very different fight.

Even in the last couple of seasons of TCW Anakin was approaching Dooku in dueling skill. In RotS he's definitely overcome him, in teh zone or not.

Does it actually say he thought Obi Wan was dead? He'd had felt that in the Force.

Originally posted by Kurk
Just like Vader

Sidious had high expectations for Vader actually, and it was actually meant for Vader to be his apprentice. Palpatine even mused himself that Vader' lack of resolve was possibly the reason he never lived up to his potential, despite what happen on Mustafar.

Also, while Vader was a tool, Palpatine, couldn't find anyone worthy enough to take the mantle, despite his constant searching. Hardly sounds like someone easily replaceable to me.

Dooku, however, was always expendable, and replaceable. Never was he meant to be anything more than a tool, LMAO.

Vader was also always expendable and replaceable. Months after joining Sidious, Palpy already thought Sha Koon might replace him, lol. All of Sheev's apprentices were tools, Dooku just had the least amount of value since his purpose was rather limited.

But why is Dooku's purpose in comparison to Sidious' wishes any indication he's a weak combatant, when all sources point to the contrary, is beyond me.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Does it actually say he thought Obi Wan was dead? He'd had felt that in the Force.

In the RotS novel Obi-Wan's fall sounded like he had broken his neck while in the RotS movie Anakin goes to check if he's still alive.

I like it when you dive into a conversation that doesn't pertain to you, and don't even attempt you read my points. Not to mention, taking obvious trolling at face value. But I'll humor you;

Yes, Vader was a tool --- but that wasn't always his purpose, and despite wanting to replace him for entire decades, he never could find anyone powerful enough ---- or worthy enough --- to do so.

Dooku always was a place holder, never was he taken serious as an apprentice.

Originally posted by Petrus
Even in the last couple of seasons of TCW Anakin was approaching Dooku in dueling skill. In RotS he's definitely overcome him, in teh zone or not.

In Dark Disciple Anakin and Dooku fight evenly with the advantage shifting between them, the duel was rather limited but still. Do you have any proof that between Dark Disciple and RotS Anakin advanced noticeably that he would surpass Dooku?

Being fair, it's hard to tell when you troll, DC.

Anyways I agree, Dooku was just a place holder until Anakin came into his own, that doesn't change the fact that Vader was also little more than a pawn as well, just a pawn who had more use for Sidious than Dooku did.

Originally posted by MythLord
Being fair, it's hard to tell when you troll, DC.

Anyways I agree, Dooku was just a place holder until Anakin came into his own, that doesn't change the fact that Vader was also little more than a pawn as well, just a pawn who had more use for Sidious than Dooku did.

To be fair, even freaking Yoda would have been a place holder for Anakin...

Yup, and regarding the whole apprenticeship argument -- Plagueis considered Dooku a worthy replacement for Sidious, so there's that

Vader wasn't a pawn lol, Sidious planned for Vader and himself to rule the galaxy for eternity.

With Vader being nothing more than an enforcer, and plaything. Sidious' personal thoughts in Book of the Sith pretty much mesh Vader, Maul and Dooku into a group of pawns for Palpatine's plans.
And for someone he'd been planning to rule the galaxy with for eternity, he sure does like finding potential replacements for him

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
In Dark Disciple Anakin and Dooku fight evenly with the advantage shifting between them, the duel was rather limited but still. Do you have any proof that between Dark Disciple and RotS Anakin advanced noticeably that he would surpass Dooku?

But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted. The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power.
--Star Wars Databank

Anakin grew vastly since Tano left, which means he was already mid-through that "vast growth" when he fought Dooku in Dark Disciple.

Originally posted by MythLord
With Vader being nothing more than an enforcer, and plaything. Sidious' personal thoughts in Book of the Sith pretty much mesh Vader, Maul and Dooku into a group of pawns for Palpatine's plans.
And for someone he'd been planning to rule the galaxy with for eternity, he sure does like finding potential replacements for him Friend a pawn suggests he was disposable, Palpatine planning to share the secret of immortality with Vader so they could live and rule for ever suggests he was anything but that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Friend a pawn suggests he was disposable, Palpatine planning to share the secret of immortality with Vader so they could live and rule for ever suggests he was anything but that.

But tbf, Palpatine's thoughts, ideas and plans on Vader did change radically when he realized he would fail to reach his full potential.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Friend a pawn suggests he was disposable, Palpatine planning to share the secret of immortality with Vader so they could live and rule for ever suggests he was anything but that.

Which was until Vader lost so much of his potential, at which point Palpatine had no real use for him other than a pawn. In both Dark Empire and Book of the Sith, we see Palpatine doesn't have the highest opinion of Vader.

Nah, Palpy states this post-Mustafar:

For thousands of years, the ability to survive death had been pursued by Sith and Jedi alike, and no one had been successful at discovering the secret. Beings had been saved from dying, but no one had cheated death. The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced. Now that the galaxy was his to rule, there was nothing to prevent Sidious, too, from unlocking that mystery.

Then he and his crippled apprentice might hold sway over the galaxy for ten thousand years, and live eternally.

If they didn't kill each other first.

-- Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader

EDIT: Ultimately though, yes, Palpatine is always going to see Vader and all of his other underlings to an extent, replaceable, however fact remains Sidious saw him as infinitely more valuable than Dooku.

I'm trying to remember the name of the book where it shows the duel with RotJ Luke from Vader's perspective. It tells Vader's thoughts after being struck down by Luke and Sidious telling Luke to finish him. He specifically says some thing like "Vader now knew how Dooku felt all those years ago...treachery is the way of the sith etc".

All-in-all, anyone could have been a placeholder during TCW for Sidious as long as the chosen one existed. It doesn't mean suggest Dooku was weak.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced.

So Ancient Sith uber powerhouses confirmed?




Yeah, but don't you think that initially Sidious might've intended to accurately and finally follow the RoT with Anakin as his apprentice? I mean, he did believe he would become more powerful than him.

Originally posted by Petrus
So Ancient Sith uber powerhouses confirmed?Nah, just knowledgeable in longevity stuff. True, very true. Ultimately though I have to disagree with Kurk, Dooku was powerful, but I think Anakin or not I don't think he would have seen the Count as anything more than a "proton torpedo." He was never a long term investment.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, just knowledgeable in longevity stuff. True, very true. Ultimately though I have to disagree with Kurk, Dooku was powerful, but I think Anakin or not I don't think he would have seen the Count as anything more than a "proton torpedo." He was never a long term investment.

Agreed, but that's the thing: Anakin never actually reached the levels of power Sidious knew he was capable of, and thus became quite disappointed. I believe Vader was initially meant to replace him, but after he realized he wouldn't reach his full potential, his plan changed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, just knowledgeable in longevity stuff. True, very true. Ultimately though I have to disagree with Kurk, Dooku was powerful, but I think Anakin or not I don't think he would have seen the Count as anything more than a "proton torpedo." He was never a long term investment.
I'd say that's obvious because of how old Dooku was, yet he was essential for TCW and laying the foundations for the Empire.

@Beni I'm not arguing he saw Dooku as more valuable, I fully agree Vader is his greatest servant. I'm just saying Vader was also a replaceable pawn.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted. The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power.
--Star Wars Databank

Like Wollf said, in Dark Disciple Ahsoka has already left the Order.