Wonder Woman vs Wonder Woman

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carver9
This is Pre Woman vs Current Woman. Who's taking this?

EcstaticGrace
Pre52 Wonder Woman. Faster, Stronger more Skilled.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by carver9
This is Pre Woman

Pre-ejaculate-licking woman?

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x117/x0xIndy/Gifs/tumblr_lcf7c3RvFK1qd6lbk.gif

Or you mean that before the sex reassignment surgery it was a man?

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Pre52 Wonder Woman. Faster, Stronger more Skilled.

There you go. Based on? Do you think Wonder Woman can move faster than Supergirl can react?

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
There you go. Based on? Do you think Wonder Woman can move faster than Supergirl can react?

Then New52 Supergirl. Yeah I do, what are you basing New52 Wonder Woman is superior to Pre52 Wonder Woman with..? You said you would scan dump and you yet to do it.

New52 Wonder Woman being able to enter the speed force or any feats of LS travel?

Being stronger then Pre-Flashpoint Hercules?

Skilled enough to tussle with Batman?

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Then New52 Supergirl. Yeah I do, what are you basing New52 Wonder Woman is superior to Pre52 Wonder Woman with..? You said you would scan dump and you yet to do it.

New52 Wonder Woman being able to enter the speed force or any feats of LS travel?

Being stronger then Pre-Flashpoint Hercules?

Skilled enough to tussle with Batman?

We can go the speed route first since that is the first thing you mentioned.

Supergirl fighting Flash.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111217478/4788687-3900194841-o2Qnt.jpg

All of this happened in less than a second. She was tagging him during this scuffle as well ending it with a knee.

A pissed Supergirl then face Wonder Woman.

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"She's too fast". Wonder Woman then ties her up before she could react.

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Supergirl didn't even see it happen. She asking her self how did it happen.

Then we have this scene. "She moves so fast that I never have a chance".

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/img_6732.png

Pre WW is fast but I can't see her replicating this.

DarkSaint85
So we're basing ALL of that off a DCnU Barry Flash who was explicitly holding back?

Good to know.

carver9
Then we have this scene. Superman was amped here off of infinite solar energy. Read his words.


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carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we're basing ALL of that off a DCnU Barry Flash who was explicitly holding back?

Good to know.

Never said he was going all out but it is a speed ft.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Then we have this scene. Superman was amped here off of infinite solar energy. Read his words.

His mind has NOW adjusted to the additional power flowing through his body...

So WW tussled with a Superman who was not used to his body?

Also good to know.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Never said he was going all out but it is a speed ft.
How fast was he going? 20% of all out? 30%? 50%? 90?

Next q, where does it lie in relation to DCU WW?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His mind has NOW adjusted to the additional power flowing through his body...

So WW tussled with a Superman who was not used to his body?

Also good to know.

Lol...of course it had adjusted because he wasn't Superman in the beginning. He was mentally brought back by the lasso.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How fast was he going? 20% of all out? 30%? 50%? 90?

Next q, where does it lie in relation to DCU WW?

Fast enough to not want to get kneed in the face.

She isn't on that level of speed.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we're basing ALL of that off a DCnU Barry Flash who was explicitly holding back?

Good to know.
Shouldnt this just be a matter of Pre DCnu WW having more appearances?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...of course it has adjusted because he wasn't Superman in the beginning. He was mentally brought back by the lasso.

So how fast/strong was this mentally deficient Superman, lol. Bearing in mind we usually don't use mind-controlled encounters for this very reason stick out tongue

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Fast enough to not want to get kneed in the face.

She isn't on that level of speed.

So around bullet timing level, then? As DCnU Barry has been shot by bullets before.

Or, based on the number of appearances Barry has, we chalk that bullet showing to a low showing. And we argue for 20+ pages as to whether Barry getting tagged by Supergirl is a low showing.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So how fast/strong was this mentally deficient Superman, lol. Bearing in mind we usually don't use mind-controlled encounters for this very reason stick out tongue

Stronger and faster than he was before getting amped off of infinite energy. All of the JLA that received God powers were amplified. Superman is no exception.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So around bullet timing level, then? As DCnU Barry has been shot by bullets before.

Or, based on the number of appearances Barry has, we chalk that bullet showing to a low showing. And we argue for 20+ pages as to whether Barry getting tagged by Supergirl is a low showing.

I doubt that and I never said he was operating at his fastest but it is a speed ft.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Stronger and faster than he was before getting amped off of infinite energy. All of the JLA that received God powers were amplified. Superman is no exception.

Like WW with God of War upgrades? wink

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I doubt that and I never said he was operating at his fastest but it is a speed ft.

So, how fast was DCnU BArry, and how does that equate to, say DCU Wally, who has when bloodlusted tussled with WW?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like WW with God of War upgrades? wink

Yep. A power up that she still have. Even before her upgrade she was handling Orion.

Stoic
Pre Flash Diana has a lot more showings whic will allow people to use a lot more low end showings that Nu52 Diana. Something to keep in mind.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, how fast was DCnU BArry, and how does that equate to, say DCU Wally, who has when bloodlusted tussled with WW?

The fastest man alive.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Yep. A power up that she still have. Even before her upgrade she was handling Orion.

Same point, however. Superman was not used to his additional power. Just because you give me a brand new sports car, doesn't mean I will suddenly be winning NASCAR races out of the box.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The fastest man alive.

As was Wally. Who wasn't holding back, unlike Barry thumb up

EcstaticGrace
Sigh... this kind of logic kind of fails.


Pre52 Diana has kept up with faster characters then the New52 Barry. I'm asking for why Diana is thought to be more powerful in the New52 not who she's fought against but actual personal feats.

God of Strength Superman didn't have no control over his powers when he fought Diana. What I meant with writers having to weaken Superman with context.

I'm sticking with Pre52 Diana.

EcstaticGrace
Regardless the Kara vs Flash scan suggest she is struggling to keep up while Barry is showing restraint.

Keep in mind how hard it was for Superman to tag Flash was in Origins. Or the Omega Beam race.

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Sigh... this kind of logic kind of fails.

If we went with this logic Aquaman fought Grodd who fought Flash so he has Flash speed. Flash is faster then Kara, Diana pretty much anyone in the DCU regardless

Pre52 Diana has kept up with faster characters then the New52 Barry. I'm asking for why Diana is thought to be more powerful in the New52 not who she's fought against but actual personal feats.

God of Strength Superman didn't have no control over his body.

I'm sticking with Pre52 Diana.

Thing have better strength fts than Odin. Fts are good but at some point, who the opponents has faced and defeated trumps that.

God of Strength didn't have any control? What make you say this?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same point, however. Superman was not used to his additional power. Just because you give me a brand new sports car, doesn't mean I will suddenly be winning NASCAR races out of the box.

So there's proof that he didn't know how to punch hard or move fast when he had 2? Scans

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
So there's proof that he didn't know how to punch hard or move fast when he had 2? Scans

Proof's right there.

Batman, who has studied Superman before, now with an ADDITIONAL upgrade as the God of Knowledge, says that Superman was not adjusted to the power.

I never said he didn't know how to punch. Stop trying to throw red herrings.

On the forum, we don't use mind-controlled fights as proof. You know this. You have argued this, many times.

So why are you using it now, when it suits you?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proof's right there.

Batman, who has studied Superman before, now with an ADDITIONAL upgrade as the God of Knowledge, says that Superman was not adjusted to the power.

I never said he didn't know how to punch. Stop trying to throw red herrings.

On the forum, we don't use mind-controlled fights as proof. You know this. You have argued this, many times.

So why are you using it now, when it suits you?

Was he stronger and faster or not?

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
Thing have better strength fts than Odin. Fts are good but at some point, who the opponents has faced and defeated trumps that.

God of Strength didn't have any control? What make you say this?

What Batman says after Wonder Woman lassos Supes.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yCxcIqUUQU0/VovFZq92iZI/AAAAAAAAGo0/glDy114wpxg/s1600/Justice%2BLeague%2B%25282011-%2529%2B047-p003.jpg


It's not who has the more feats, it who has the better feats. If Odin doesn't have any strength feats or statements suggesting he's stronger then Thing then I wouldn't say he was but that's not the case as far as I'm aware.

celeyhyga17
Wait. God of War Supes was mind controlled? Wasn't he just more unhinged like say BT Thor?

EcstaticGrace
Batman suggest Superman wasn't adjusted to the powers. Try fighting when you have no control over your abilities I'm sure that would be difficult.

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Batman suggest Superman wasn't adjusted to the powers. Try fighting when you have no control over your abilities I'm sure that would be difficult.

He was punching and using heat vision. His basic power. It's not like he was doing spirit bombs or something.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait. God of War Supes was mind controlled? Wasn't he just more unhinged like say BT Thor?

Think of it as berserk and not acting rationally.so pretty much unhinged works.

He wasn't mind controlled but he wasn't 100 % in the sense he had no control

DarkSaint85
God of STRENGTH (shame, SmellyHymen) Supes was not used to his body, from what I got from it.

In other words, I disregarded it for the same reason we disregard mindcontrolled characters, i.e they are not at full capacity.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
He was punching and using heat vision. His basic power. It's not like he was doing spirit bombs or something.

What's suppose to be abundantly impressive about that though?

Wonder Woman's bracers have taken Omega Beams

She took Rao's heat vision aka Krypton's God

Other then that it was like one hit GOS Superman got on her? They really didn't trade blows. She subdued him but it's hardly a win since he wasn't 100% of his powers suggested by the God of Knowledge.

None of it makes her superior to Pre52 Diana though.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
God of STRENGTH (shame, SmellyHymen) Supes was not used to his body, from what I got from it.

In other words, I disregarded it for the same reason we disregard mindcontrolled characters, i.e they are not at full capacity.
For me it depends. Mind controlled for example is not the same across the board. Different kinds of mind trickery. There's illusions, simple suggestions, direct control, etc... Can't fully dismiss these showings.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For me it depends. Mind controlled for example is not the same across the board. Different kinds of mind trickery. There's illusions, simple suggestions, direct control, etc... Can't fully dismiss these showings.

I'll second that, if it's mind tampering in a way that doesn't effect one's abilities (powers,skills,etc) then I don't think it should me dismissed, but when powers seem to be affected then I think we should be a bit more hesitant.

I agree Wonder Woman took some amped solar pit Heat vision I won't discount that but in regards to beating Superman (Atleast in the sense that matters) I don't see the Darkseid Wars thing is a valid showing. (No trading blows, no grapples, not really anything concrete on the speed front even)

abhilegend
New 52 Wonder Woman wins.

riv6672
She doesnt have the appearances. 2011-2016? Feh.

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
What's suppose to be abundantly impressive about that though?

Wonder Woman's bracers have taken Omega Beams

She took Rao's heat vision aka Krypton's God

Other then that it was like one hit GOS Superman got on her? They really didn't trade blows. She subdued him but it's hardly a win since he wasn't 100% of his powers suggested by the God of Knowledge.

None of it makes her superior to Pre52 Diana though.

So her using her speed is a downfall in that fight? That's like me saying "Flash defeating Mongul isn't impressive because they didn't trade blows". WTG.

Lol...he was still amplified off of infinite energy. There's no taking this away from him. Him not using that power to the fullest doesn't take away from him using his "basic power" to the fullest while amplified. He still knew how to do that which is the reason he froze an entire city and shook it with a punch.

Also, subduing someone is defeating them.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
So her using her speed is a downfall in that fight? That's like me saying "Flash defeating Mongul isn't impressive because they didn't trade blows". WTG.

Lol...he was still amplified off of infinite energy. There's no taking this away from him. Him not using that power to the fullest doesn't take away from him using his "basic power" to the fullest while amplified. He still knew how to do that which is the reason he froze an entire city and shook it with a punch.

Also, subduing someone is defeating them.
Don't go overboard. She didn't defeat him or subdued him.

BTW, solarman oneshotted her twice.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't go overboard. She didn't defeat him or subdued him.

BTW, solarman oneshotted her twice.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up the solar man showing. He probably would've one shot Superman the same way if Super wasn't able to absorb his energy. Wonder Woman stomped a God that was giving Superman fits.

carver9
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abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
I don't understand why you keep bringing up the solar man showing. He probably would've one shot Superman the same way if Super wasn't able to absorb his energy. Wonder Woman stomped a God that was giving Superman fits.
Because it was only a portion of Superman's own powers.

It's like saying Superman can oneshot himself if he is not able to absorb his powers. Originally posted by carver9
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Maybe you should read the scans before mouthing off. The God took her out with one punch and then stopped fighting on his own.

She never stomped him.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
So her using her speed is a downfall in that fight? That's like me saying "Flash defeating Mongul isn't impressive because they didn't trade blows". WTG.

Lol...he was still amplified off of infinite energy. There's no taking this away from him. Him not using that power to the fullest doesn't take away from him using his "basic power" to the fullest while amplified. He still knew how to do that which is the reason he froze an entire city and shook it with a punch.

Also, subduing someone is defeating them.

Superman didn't use his speed in the fight, I hope your not suggesting he did..

He had no control over his abilities cling on to it if you want, but if you want to play the illustration game it's like comparing Flash from his first appearance with his speedster abilities o a couple years later. Flash has all this power and potential when he starts but he doesn't have the control yet.

Regardless Pre52 Diana has the advantage in physicals and skill.

riv6672
And appearances. Soooo many appearances!

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Superman didn't use his speed in the fight, I hope your not suggesting he did..

He had no control over his abilities cling on to it if you want, but if you want to play the illustration game it's like comparing Flash from his first appearance with his speedster abilities o a couple years later. Flash has all this power and potential when he starts but he doesn't have the control yet.

Regardless Pre52 Diana has the advantage in physicals and skill.

Wait a minute. What would you look for to know he used it or not? He was obviously trying to hit her, he literally says it. If he wasn't using his speed then she wasn't either and she was still too hard for him to hit.

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
And appearances. Soooo many appearances!

That's when you average out their highs and lows and come up with a medium. You've been here long enough to know this. Looking at both of their MEDIUMS, current Wonder Woman is more powerful.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was only a portion of Superman's own powers.

It's like saying Superman can oneshot himself if he is not able to absorb his powers.
Maybe you should read the scans before mouthing off. The God took her out with one punch and then stopped fighting on his own.

She never stomped him.

SMH, again, Solar man doing anything to Wonder Woman vs what he did and can do to Superman is irrelevant since Superman showed he can absorb his power.

You're missing the point, crazy man you. Zod has heat vision, Superman has heat vision. Even though both have this abilities and it's one of the same, Zodiac was still able to blast a hole clean through Superman. Stop being crazy.

Wait a minute...when did Wonder Woman get dropped during that scene?

riv6672
Originally posted by carver9
That's when you average out their highs and lows and come up with a medium. You've been here long enough to know this. Looking at both of their MEDIUMS, current Wonder Woman is more powerful.
Everyone's been here long enough to know this.
Most dont go past "character has more appearances, end of story". Just trying this awesome logic on for size.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. What would you look for to know he used it or not? He was obviously trying to hit her, he literally says it. If he wasn't using his speed then she wasn't either and she was still too hard for him to hit.

By that logic any character who hits or is hit who has superspeed was done because of speed..

If Despero is able to land hits on Superman regardless of any proof Superman is operating at super speed, why would I Suggest Despero is equivalent to Superman in speed.

If someone lands hits on Flash like Grodd that makes them a peer to Flash in the speed department?

In the recent JL chapter number 52, Batman is faster then Flash because he hit something that dodged Flash's attacks. Right?

I honestly don't think she was really using her speed either though. Wonder Woman is generally presented as faster then Superman when it comes to combat if you want to hear that though atleast in the Meltzer run she was said to be, but I wouldn't use the God of Strength instance as superior anything for Diana > Superman cause there's nothing suggesting she's above him in any category in that encounter.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9

Wait a minute...when did Wonder Woman get dropped during that scene?
Didn't you know the new rule? Every time you get smacked away, it means you've been one-shotted.

CosmicComet
Originally posted by riv6672
And appearances. Soooo many appearances!

Stop the BM-related butthurt please.

Blue Marvel's list of noteworthy appearances/accomplishments is so short you could do a 1 post (yes 1 post, not page) respect thread and cover basically everything.

He's consistent, and that's what he has going for him, but nothing he did was jaw dropping for a herald level character.

Just stop being obtuse on the matter, everyone seems to know what we mean about the character except you when we say he's barely been in anything.

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
Everyone's been here long enough to know this.
Most dont go past "character has more appearances, end of story". Just trying this awesome logic on for size.

Aaaahhhh, lol, I see where you are going with this.

riv6672
Originally posted by CosmicComet
he's barely been in anything.
Just like DCnu WW in comparison to her opponent here, yes. smile

On the serious though, i dont ask you guys to stop saying what you do, i have fun with it/ignore it/deal with it as appropriate. Dont ask me to stop.
Have fun with it/ignore it/deal with it.
Works both ways.

CosmicComet
No. New 52 WW has had hundreds of appearances.

She is fully established.

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
By that logic any character who hits or is hit who has superspeed was done because of speed..

If Despero is able to land hits on Superman regardless of any proof Superman is operating at super speed, why would I Suggest Despero is equivalent to Superman in speed.

If someone lands hits on Flash like Grodd that makes them a peer to Flash in the speed department?

In the recent JL chapter number 52, Batman is faster then Flash because he hit something that dodged Flash's attacks. Right?

I honestly don't think she was really using her speed either though. Wonder Woman is generally presented as faster then Superman when it comes to combat if you want to hear that though atleast in the Meltzer run she was said to be, but I wouldn't use the God of Strength instance as superior anything for Diana > Superman cause there's nothing suggesting she's above him in any category in that encounter.

Who said anything about LANDING hits. Superman was trying to hit her but he couldn't. That's completely different than someone hitting Superman and succeeding. He was trying to hit her but he couldn't. He then tells her to stand still sleeping that he can succeed at doing so. This scene is as clear as day.

Your entire argument is based off someone hitting Superman or Flash.when that's not the case here. Now if Superman was swinging at Hulk and couldn't land a single hit, KMC would explode.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
SMH, again, Solar man doing anything to Wonder Woman vs what he did and can do to Superman is irrelevant since Superman showed he can absorb his power.


Hahaha, what? It was Superman's own powers which were powering Solarman.

It shows even a fraction of Superman's power is more than enough to oneshot Wonder woman.

Zod didn't have Superman's own power fueling him you idiot. Can you ****ing read or what?

Third scan. One kick and she is stunned. Now show us where she stomped anyone.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, what? It was Superman's own powers which were powering Solarman.

It shows even a fraction of Superman's power is more than enough to oneshot Wonder woman.

Zod didn't have Superman's own power fueling him you idiot. Can you ****ing read or what?

Third scan. One kick and she is stunned. Now show us where she stomped anyone.

Scans of Wonder Woman being koed.

Zodiac is powered by the sun. Doesn't matter because I want to see those scans of her being koed.

Lolololol...prove she was stunned and Wonder Woman handled someone that was working Superman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Scans of Wonder Woman being koed.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ sfU7nbzKNU0ZkVUE43xsYULEeMVZxIsPz6c1xQ1VW8TU8rSiIt
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He also oneshotted Supergirl.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592575/Superman_2011-_052-008.jpg.html


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592577/Superman_2011-_052-010.jpg.html

And Wonder Woman, again with just one punch.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592578/Superman_2011-_052-011.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592579/Superman_2011-_052-012.jpg.html

While Superman being drained and poisoned by kryptonite, took several of his attacks before negating his total power with his own.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592571/Superman_2011-_052-004.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592572/Superman_2011-_052-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592573/Superman_2011-_052-006.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592574/Superman_2011-_052-007.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592357/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592382/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg.html



Hahaha, you are such an idiot.

Because Superman had to take over from her. He was also attacking Superman with magical weapons.

No, she didn't. He stopped on his own. There was no handling of anything.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about LANDING hits. Superman was trying to hit her but he couldn't. That's completely different than someone hitting Superman and succeeding. He was trying to hit her but he couldn't. He then tells her to stand still sleeping that he can succeed at doing so. This scene is as clear as day.

Your entire argument is based off someone hitting Superman or Flash.when that's not the case here. Now if Superman was swinging at Hulk and couldn't land a single hit, KMC would explode.

I'd still side with not being able to control his power or plot.

I agree he was struggling to hit her but I wouldn't use that as evidence to say Wonder Woman > Superman when it comes to combat speed. Sure Superman swings but it's not done at superspeed.

Regardless my point is if the comic suggest your struggling with your abilities or powers then it's not the best evidence to use against the character whose struggling.

In JL52 Flash struggles to hit something that Batman does hit. Does this make Batman faster?

DarkSaint85
Carver is once again being owned, badly.

riv6672
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. New 52 WW has had hundreds of appearances.

She is fully established.
Ah, so the legitimizing magic number is in the hundreds. You should get with DS, he was unable to figure that out. thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
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He also oneshotted Supergirl.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592575/Superman_2011-_052-008.jpg.html


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592577/Superman_2011-_052-010.jpg.html

And Wonder Woman, again with just one punch.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592578/Superman_2011-_052-011.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592579/Superman_2011-_052-012.jpg.html

While Superman being drained and poisoned by kryptonite, took several of his attacks before negating his total power with his own.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592571/Superman_2011-_052-004.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592572/Superman_2011-_052-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592573/Superman_2011-_052-006.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592574/Superman_2011-_052-007.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592357/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592382/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg.html



Hahaha, you are such an idiot.

Because Superman had to take over from her. He was also attacking Superman with magical weapons.

No, she didn't. He stopped on his own. There was no handling of anything.

He dropped Superman here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592577/Superman_2011-_052-010.jpg.html

Your first scan didn't work and I didn't see Diana out not once during that entire scene. Hell, I didn't even see her fight him or try too. He seemed more powerful than Superman since it did take 2 Superman's to subdue him.

ABHI, Superman stepping in doesn't mean she was dazed or knocked out. They came there to fight as a team. I'm sure Superman wouldn't allow Diana to fight a powerful person on her own with him being present. Nut. Diana looked better during that fight. Move on.

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'd still side with not being able to control his power or plot.

I agree he was struggling to hit her but I wouldn't use that as evidence to say Wonder Woman > Superman when it comes to combat speed. Sure Superman swings but it's not done at superspeed.

Regardless my point is if the comic suggest your struggling with your abilities or powers then it's not the best evidence to use against the character whose struggling.

In JL52 Flash struggles to hit something that Batman does hit. Does this make Batman faster?

Control his speed, punches and heat vision?

I'm not saying she is superior to him. What I'm saying is Pre Diana can't replicate it.

I agree, he wasn't fully use to his "new" abilities but his basic power, I'm sure he didn't need a hand book to use it. If he did, he wouldn't have knew anything about shooting a dose of heat vision or freezing an entire city.

Why was Batman able to hit something Flash was unable to hit? He explained it as soon as he did it. If Flash tried to tag Gladiator, do you think he could succeed and please explain your answer.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver is once again being owned, badly.

Cheerleader 101.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
He dropped Superman here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592577/Superman_2011-_052-010.jpg.html

Your first scan didn't work and I didn't see Diana out not once during that entire scene. Hell, I didn't even see her fight him or try too. He seemed more powerful than Superman since it did take 2 Superman's to subdue him.

ABHI, Superman stepping in doesn't mean she was dazed or knocked out. They came there to fight as a team. I'm sure Superman wouldn't allow Diana to fight a powerful person on her own with him being present. Nut. Diana looked better during that fight. Move on.
No, he didn't. Superman was also heavily drained and kryptonite poisoned. It goes like this.

Superman (Full power) >Solarman> Depowered Superman >Wonder woman.

Do I need to make a chart too?

Yet, still tougher and stronger than Diana.

Not koed? Not fighting him?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NDSp4JXc-Eo/Vz6DsROrkSI/AAAAAAAUoOc/ZKy_2OA3uQcQZGyOWfSIKG6RYOooGaWygCLcB/s1600/20_12.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UjG6gbAHsks/Vz6DsrodUFI/AAAAAAAUoOg/1sZsLLq1KVIARAMSPazEWB2q4g0K-QYTgCLcB/s1600/20_13.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kvGvdMaijBw/Vz6Dsg7SGgI/AAAAAAAUoOk/BAGLOM_rSy8F3tfvkobr1LUCmzz2oFBiACLcB/s1600/20_14.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/--r5z_HRFZf4/Vz6DtYsoTkI/AAAAAAAUoOs/OwMgoq3fUHYWbPayPmQsb6CAblVNmSKxgCLcB/s1600/20_15.jpg

There you go.

He was draining Superman himself idiot. How could he be more powerful than Superman?

Hahaha, she was taken out of the fight with one kick and didn't do anything other than throwing rocks but somehow she looked better?

Where did she stomp anyone?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by riv6672
Everyone's been here long enough to know this.
Most dont go past "character has more appearances, end of story". Just trying this awesome logic on for size.


Yeah, someone broke that down for me today. wink

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Stop the BM-related butthurt please.

Blue Marvel's list of noteworthy appearances/accomplishments is so short you could do a 1 post (yes 1 post, not page) respect thread and cover basically everything.

He's consistent, and that's what he has going for him, but nothing he did was jaw dropping for a herald level character.

Just stop being obtuse on the matter, everyone seems to know what we mean about the character except you when we say he's barely been in anything.

No "we" don't, it's only a small pack of you hardliners that believe in this nonsensical code.

Blue Area Vet
laughing

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. Superman was also heavily drained and kryptonite poisoned. It goes like this.

Superman (Full power) >Solarman> Depowered Superman >Wonder woman.

Do I need to make a chart too?

Yet, still tougher and stronger than Diana.

Not koed? Not fighting him?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NDSp4JXc-Eo/Vz6DsROrkSI/AAAAAAAUoOc/ZKy_2OA3uQcQZGyOWfSIKG6RYOooGaWygCLcB/s1600/20_12.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UjG6gbAHsks/Vz6DsrodUFI/AAAAAAAUoOg/1sZsLLq1KVIARAMSPazEWB2q4g0K-QYTgCLcB/s1600/20_13.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kvGvdMaijBw/Vz6Dsg7SGgI/AAAAAAAUoOk/BAGLOM_rSy8F3tfvkobr1LUCmzz2oFBiACLcB/s1600/20_14.jpg

]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/--r5z_HRFZf4/Vz6DtYsoTkI/AAAAAAAUoOs/OwMgoq3fUHYWbPayPmQsb6CAblVNmSKxgCLcB/s1600/20_15.jpg

There you go.

He was draining Superman himself idiot. How could he be more powerful than Superman?

Hahaha, she was taken out of the fight with one kick and didn't do anything other than throwing rocks but somehow she looked better?

Where did she stomp anyone?

You're all over the place. You post scans saying Clark is greater than Wonder Woman because he withstood Solar man power without being dropped but then you post two scenes of Solar man one hitting Superman.

He used the solar flare against Diana, Clark's most powerful move. I never said she could tank that just like Clark isn't beating an un cuffed Diana. I thought you were talking about another scene. Diana vs Clark putting all of his energy into one attack (and becoming human afterwards), yes, I think he would drop her. The thing about that is, he will be human afterwards.

He was using the solar flare FAR better than Superman which is the reason I think he is more powerful. I admit, Diana odds against the flare isn't that great. Look at her fight against Super girl. She almost koed Diana with the same tactic. In a head up fight without the Supers depleting themselves, that's a different story.

She stomped her during the scans I posted while Superman was on the side lines.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by carver9
You're all over the place. You post scans saying Clark is greater than Wonder Woman because he withstood Solar man power without being dropped but then you post two scenes of Solar man one hitting Superman.

He used the solar flare against Diana, Clark's most powerful move. I never said she could tank that just like Clark isn't beating an un cuffed Diana. I thought you were talking about another scene. Diana vs Clark putting all of his energy into one attack (and becoming human afterwards), yes, I think he would drop her. The thing about that is, he will be human afterwards.

He was using the solar flare FAR better than Superman which is the reason I think he is more powerful. I admit, Diana odds against the flare isn't that great. Look at her fight against Super girl. She almost koed Diana with the same tactic. In a head up fight without the Supers depleting themselves, that's a different story.

She stomped her during the scans I posted while Superman was on the side lines.

Carver, the reason you are having trouble understanding is because for Abby, this isn't about either WW. You know who this is really about. stick out tongue

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
You're all over the place. You post scans saying Clark is greater than Wonder Woman because he withstood Solar man power without being dropped but then you post two scenes of Solar man one hitting Superman.


Because Superman was drained and poisoned by kryptonite.

When are you going to address that?

He didn't use solar flare, just a normal energy attack. Are you unable to see as well?

He didn't become human either there.

Haha, that's not a solar flare. He didn't become powerless after the blast for 24 hours.

He was literally using a portion of Superman's powers but somehow is more powerful than Superman.

Carver logic at finest.

Haha, sure. Throwing rocks and grabbing him by throat is stomping someone when they stopped fighting on their own.

What an idiot.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Superman was drained and poisoned by kryptonite.

When are you going to address that?

He didn't use solar flare, just a normal energy attack. Are you unable to see as well?

He didn't become human either there.

Haha, that's not a solar flare. He didn't become powerless after the blast for 24 hours.

He was literally using a portion of Superman's powers but somehow is more powerful than Superman.

Carver logic at finest.

Haha, sure. Throwing rocks and grabbing him by throat is stomping someone when they stopped fighting on their own.

What an idiot.

Why do u feel nu diana is better?

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Superman was drained and poisoned by kryptonite.

When are you going to address that?

He didn't use solar flare, just a normal energy attack. Are you unable to see as well?

He didn't become human either there.

Haha, that's not a solar flare. He didn't become powerless after the blast for 24 hours.

He was literally using a portion of Superman's powers but somehow is more powerful than Superman.

Carver logic at finest.

Haha, sure. Throwing rocks and grabbing him by throat is stomping someone when they stopped fighting on their own.

What an idiot.

His power was going in and out. He wasn't drained. When he was losing power, he couldn't even fly. At no point during that fight was he drained. He even mentions it during his fight against Solar man.

OMG...he did use solar flare. Look at the scene. He didn't use heat vision, super strength, none of that. Energy is exploding from his body just like Superman does during desperate times and just like Super girl did.

There's no difference than what he did and this...

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/img_6731.png

And of course he didn't go human when doing it because he had more control. You're trying so hard to overhype this Superman that it's ridiculous. You even mentioned that he is more powerful than Pre Superman at a weakened state because he supposedly one shot koed him with a punch. Just stop.

Lol... Wonder Woman made her give up with a blitz and a choke. Give up.

Blue Area Vet
Hey Abby, was he draining Superman like Suneater supposedly did?

doh laughing

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by carver9
Control his speed, punches and heat vision?

I'm not saying she is superior to him. What I'm saying is Pre Diana can't replicate it.

I agree, he wasn't fully use to his "new" abilities but his basic power, I'm sure he didn't need a hand book to use it. If he did, he wouldn't have knew anything about shooting a dose of heat vision or freezing an entire city.

Why was Batman able to hit something Flash was unable to hit? He explained it as soon as he did it. If Flash tried to tag Gladiator, do you think he could succeed and please explain your answer.

I honestly don't see what Nu Diana did in that instance that could be replicated by her Pre-Flashpoint counterpart.

I could honestly see Pre-Flashpoint Diana doing the same thing she still has more skill so it wouldnt suprsise me to see her subdue GOS Superman. I could see her taking the eye blast as well just the same.

To be honest if Flash wanted to tag most people he should be able to under most circumstances.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Why do u feel nu diana is better?

Its probably the "Universal durability" he was trying to suggest she and Nu Superman had in another thread..

Blue Area Vet
What happened to all the posters who swore up and down WW could and would block everything imaginable with her bracers? Haven't been seeing a ton of that.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Its probably the "Universal durability" he was trying to suggest she and Nu Superman had in another thread..

Ah I see. EG who do u think will win? Im having a hard time weeding thru this discussion. Personally I always thought old diana was better especially on h2h but I get lost in scan dumps taken out of context

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Why do u feel nu diana is better?
Better average.

Blue Area Vet
..or have you ascended to the next level? laughing

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ah I see. EG who do u think will win? Im having a hard time weeding thru this discussion. Personally I always thought old diana was better especially on h2h but I get lost in scan dumps taken out of context

I'm still taking old Diana. Has the better personal strength feats, better skill feats like you said, and better speed feats.

Probably better fights unless I'm miss something and probably better striking power. I say probably because I'm curious if what night show up in the defense that Nu Diana is better which I'm honestly surprised to see people suggest that.

carver9
@ABHI,

Lol...you acting (key word, acting) all cocky isn't going to change what I'm trying to get through that thick skull of yours, so you can stop that at any time, because it's pointless. It might work on Celey ( wink ) but it does nothing to me.

Back on topic strong guy (lol)...did you not understand what I am telling you about Superman powers going in and out. Let me break it down to you so that you can understand. Supa maannnnn Powa wash fadang n ND out. You're saying he was completely drained when that wasn't the case. How much he was drained is highly debatable.

It leaves SUPERMAN in a human state. The guy that was masking himself as Superman HAD BETTER CONTROL which is the reason he can spam solar flares without suffering results.

WTF ABHI, that is a solar flare and after doing that, Kara was weakened. Every time she use that tactic it weakens her. You're the super expert, you should know this.

So Superman doing solar flare didn't revert him back to human? Troll.

Keep crying.

Lol...he gave up as soon as Wonder Woman made him give up. Wonder Woman also worked Parasite, Mongul, Zod and Faora, beings Superman has had trouble against. Cry some more.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by carver9
ABHI

cock

thick

Superman

going in and out

completely drained

leaves SUPERMAN

Superman suffering

Superman crying

This is what I got from your post.

Abhi, you shouldn't have left your hero all drained and suffering.

carver9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This is what I got from your post.

Abhi, you shouldn't have left your hero all drained and suffering.


laughing out loud laughing out loud laughing out loud

Blue Area Vet
I'm betting Abby has expression typical of constipation right about now. It's not every day we get to witness Carver serve up a beat down.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI,

Lol...you acting (key word, acting) all cocky isn't going to change what I'm trying to get through that thick skull of yours, so you can stop that at any time, because it's pointless. It might work on Celey ( wink ) but it does nothing to me.

Psshh.. I'm the only one foolish enough to humor his lying ways.

carver9
Also, if anyone is interested in seeing Super girl use the solar flare, here's all the times she has used it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4qyXMSbrB1I/VNTCom1F3pI/AAAAAAAAiPY/wxG0cHuUmuo/s1600/sg%2B20-01.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MxMChuKFLF8/VNPk3GJFdsI/AAAAAAAAiOk/8SlkPl7B1IU/s1600/sg%2B7%2B3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NOS3gKb9eKw/VNPk8gOr6rI/AAAAAAAAiO4/po_4lrnI3iM/s1600/supergirl%2B9-05.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b5WxhVovmBg/VNPk3KlRn8I/AAAAAAAAiOs/M-nMGJzjkQU/s1600/sg%2B21-04.jpg

It's the same crap Superman does except Superman is a weakling who can't even keep his power after doing it.

carver9
And Supergirl has been doing this far longer than him.

EcstaticGrace
Lol love the solar flare post though, hasn't Supergirl always had faster chargeable cells then Superman? Or does she keep her powers completely after using SF? Or is she better at releasing a certain amount of it or something?

Blue Area Vet
Did Carver just do the seemingly impossible and stuff a sock in Super mouth?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI,

Lol...you acting (key word, acting) all cocky isn't going to change what I'm trying to get through that thick skull of yours, so you can stop that at any time, because it's pointless. It might work on Celey ( wink ) but it does nothing to me.


Yeah, idiots are often immune to logic. Nothing new of course.

Hey idiot, now I posted flat out statement that Solarman was draining Superman constantly and you're still not getting that?

laughing out loud

No, it doesn't takes better control and that's never specified.

Solar Flare by its definition is an attack which totally drains a Kryptonian.

No, that is not. That's just a solar energy attack Kara has.

Never specified as solar flare.

Solarman didn't use solar flare. It was just a normal energy blast.

About what? Your idiocy?

Haha, that's some real tears you're having there idiot.

But yeah, Wonder Woman got overpowered by a portion of Superman's powers.

How about that?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Also, if anyone is interested in seeing Super girl use the solar flare, here's all the times she has used it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4qyXMSbrB1I/VNTCom1F3pI/AAAAAAAAiPY/wxG0cHuUmuo/s1600/sg%2B20-01.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MxMChuKFLF8/VNPk3GJFdsI/AAAAAAAAiOk/8SlkPl7B1IU/s1600/sg%2B7%2B3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NOS3gKb9eKw/VNPk8gOr6rI/AAAAAAAAiO4/po_4lrnI3iM/s1600/supergirl%2B9-05.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b5WxhVovmBg/VNPk3KlRn8I/AAAAAAAAiOs/M-nMGJzjkQU/s1600/sg%2B21-04.jpg

It's the same crap Superman does except Superman is a weakling who can't even keep his power after doing it.
That's not a solar flare. Superman is the first Kryptonian to get that power.

Keep crying though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lol love the solar flare post though, hasn't Supergirl always had faster chargeable cells then Superman? Or does she keep her powers completely after using SF? Or is she better at releasing a certain amount of it or something?
That's not even solar flare. It's Supergirl raising the temperature of her body and releasing a heat blast.

Carver is just his usual hating self.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not even solar flare. It's Supergirl raising the temperature of her body and releasing a heat blast.

Carver is just his usual hating self.

Is it explained like that? What's the energy that happens to be exploding out of Supergirl? It's a weird visual depiction if that's all it happens to be, you would think items would be melting rather then looking blown away or shaken

Decter
I don't see how N52 WW is taking this.

If you match feat for feat PC pretty much shits over everything N52 has

abhilegend
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Is it explained like that? What's the energy that happens to be exploding out of Supergirl? It's a weird visual depiction if that's all it happens to be, you would think items would be melting rather then looking blown away or shaken
Yes.

Its not a solar flare, its just a concentrated energy blast.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NQ9rKy_02BM/VuI5Sid_BvI/AAAAAAAAGDc/jKaj4Edouf8dMlzcvgiVv83ugsi5L9qyQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ERtvhsbNGtU/VuI5SkFOpHI/AAAAAAAAGDc/Tqh8gRZp1gooK119FFgp_9tc2_CXvwGcwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO005.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mbyH5oHExNc/VuI5S2g94iI/AAAAAAAAGDc/aAoDrZhUWOwnz1sDLGu85TnMsYL-v7vvwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO006.jpg

She isn't even depowered for a single page.

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