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Talon gets beaten to death..........Over and over again.

Originally posted by deathslash
Talon gets beaten to death..........Over and over again.

Like what Bane and his henchmen (Who were amped by Nu Venom) did? His healing basically withstood all of that.

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Originally posted by Zack M
Like what Bane and his henchmen (Who were amped by Nu Venom) did? His healing basically withstood all of that.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d0e7fa.jpg good thing they were all casually smacking him around and he didn't show even a tenth of the skill that Matt has demonstrated over the years right? It's even better that his big plan to win consisted of running away from bane. Oh, and by the way, you're going to have to give me some actual feats for his henchmen and how strong they were (venom affects everyone in a different way)

I'm not saying that it's easy, but he daredevil cam and has tied up other characters in the middle of a fight and Calvin simply hasn't demonstrated the sort of skill that's needed to beat matt.

Daredevil FTW.

Calvin can be koed and Bane did killed him. The court revived him, but DD can get a forum victory without needing to kill him.

Originally posted by deathslash
good thing they were all casually smacking him around and he didn't show even a tenth of the skill that Matt has demonstrated over the years right? It's even better that his big plan to win consisted of running away from bane. Oh, and by the way, you're going to have to give me some actual feats for his henchmen and how strong they were (venom affects everyone in a different way)

I'm not saying that it's easy, but he daredevil cam and has tied up other characters in the middle of a fight and Calvin simply hasn't demonstrated the sort of skill that's needed to beat matt.

I agree Matt has the skill edge, but I think Calvin has every other edge in speed, strength, agility, and healing.

BTW, the skill edge gap isn't that big. Calvin DID fight the Birds of Prey by himself and that lineup included STRIX. Strix was strong enough to best Lady Shiva.

Am I the only one who thinks Calvin wins this?

Matt's skill advantage doesn't seem like it would be enough to offset Calvin's advantage in every other category....

^^ "I barely felt any of that.

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And Rose's fight with Strix (Who is a BEAST)

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Calvin also held back against Batgirl and managed to get the best out of her.

Tell me, has Calvin fought anyone on the level of iron man, or ultron, or namor, or Mr Hyde and cobra at the same time?

Going with DD here for now

Originally posted by deathslash
Tell me, has Calvin fought anyone on the level of iron man, or ultron, or namor, or Mr Hyde and cobra at the same time?

He fooled the damn Batman. But you failed to say how DD would KO him.

Originally posted by Zack M
He fooled the damn Batman. But you failed to say how DD would KO him. are people with healing factors immune to getting KO'd now? Matt breaks his arms, his legs, his trachea, his spine, and ties him up while he continues to bash his head into the ground. Let's not forget that Matt has experience with fighting people with healing factors. Oh, and while we're at it, what edge in stats (other than healing) does Calvin have and what proof do you have to back that up?

Originally posted by deathslash
are people with healing factors immune to getting KO'd now? Matt breaks his arms, his legs, his trachea, his spine, and ties him up while he continues to bash his head into the ground. Let's not forget that Matt has experience with fighting people with healing factors. Oh, and while we're at it, what edge in stats (other than healing) does Calvin have and what proof do you have to back that up?

Not immune but Bane and his henchmen were unable to. Strix was unable to and she's pretty much Daredevil lite in terms of skills. Talons have been known to fall from skyscrapers and not been KO'd.

In terms of stats, Talons are stronger and faster. The average Talon proved more than a match for Batman. That he needed armor to fend them off./

Originally posted by Zack M
Talons have been known to fall from skyscrapers and not been KO'd.

In terms of stats, Talons are stronger and faster. The average Talon proved more than a match for Batman. That he needed armor to fend them off./ ha. William Cobb (one of the more impressive talons) was pretty much dead long enough for the cops to arrive, the paramedics to call it, and was only up and about after he was safely packed into the ambulance. What do you call that?

Again, show me the feats to back that sort of statement up.
Scans of this fight?

Originally posted by deathslash
ha. William Cobb (one of the more impressive talons) was pretty much dead long enough for the cops to arrive, the paramedics to call it, and was only up and about after he was safely packed into the ambulance. What do you call that?

Again, show me the feats to back that sort of statement up.
Scans of this fight?

I just showed you the scans. Both strix and Talon fell off of a skyscraper and Strix, then Calvin just walked it off and continued to fight. The same Strix that owned and broke Lady Shiva's arm in a HTH combat. Read the Talon series for more. His stats are indeed enhanced.

Originally posted by Zack M
I just showed you the scans. Both strix and Talon fell off of a skyscraper and Strix, then Calvin just walked it off and continued to fight. The same Strix that owned and broke Lady Shiva's arm in a HTH combat. Read the Talon series for more. His stats are indeed enhanced. yeah.......she got up first and he didn't. Not a good example of how difficult to ko he is. That second fight with her also isn't a good example of how skilled he is because she's literally running away when he stabs her and she's clearly preoccupied with something else. It's not like Matt is suddenly going to be out of his depth when he fights a character with a healing factor, and he's almost certainly going to hear Calvin's bones knitting themselves back together.

Also, what has shiva actually done in the new 52? She got one shotted by Jason Todd FFS. She's clearly still in the upper echelon of the street levelers, but it kind of hurts her reputation when she gets downed by Jason in a single panel.

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah.......she got up first and he didn't. Not a good example of how difficult to ko he is. That second fight with her also isn't a good example of how skilled he is because she's literally running away when he stabs her and she's clearly preoccupied with something else. It's not like Matt is suddenly going to be out of his depth when he fights a character with a healing factor, and he's almost certainly going to hear Calvin's bones knitting themselves back together.

Also, what has shiva actually done in the new 52? She got one shotted by Jason Todd FFS. She's clearly still in the upper echelon of the street levelers, but it kind of hurts her reputation when she gets downed by Jason in a single panel.

I never said he was, but you still haven't proved that Matt can KO someone with higher stats and a healing factor to boot. Shiva got the best of Batman and Nightwing. She's top tier in skill.

BTW, losing to Red Hood isn't a bad thing at all. Not only did he do better against Cassandra Cain, he bested Batman, took on Slade (Weakened, but still), and has been taught under the best assassin guild in comics.

Jason is top tier in the street level department.

Originally posted by Zack M
I never said he was, but you still haven't proved that Matt can KO someone with higher stats and a healing factor to boot. Shiva got the best of Batman and Nightwing. She's top tier in skill. he's beaten deadpool, held his own against wolverine, and once before, he managed to solo Nuke.

Originally posted by deathslash
he's beaten deadpool, held his own against wolverine, and once before, he managed to solo Nuke.

Can you post the DP scans? I always remember Wolverine always having the advantage, especially with his healing factor.

Originally posted by Zack M
Can you post the DP scans? I always remember Wolverine always having the advantage, especially with his healing factor. sure. Just give me a few minutes.

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That's all nice and all but that wouldn't work on Calvin. Calvin is a MASTER escape artist. He's also thrown down assassins who were physically stronger and faster than him. Here is Calvin escaping from "inescapable" bonds that Batman put him in.

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Originally posted by Zack M
That's all nice and all but that wouldn't work on Calvin. Calvin is a MASTER escape artist. He's also thrown down assassins who were physically stronger and faster than him. Here is Calvin escaping from "inescapable" bonds that Batman put him in.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2qvthsz.jpg nice feat. Still doesn't make up for the skill gap between them and getting out of a pair of "inescapable" prototype handcuffs doesn't really answer the question of what he does when he gets tied up by his arms, hands, legs, feet, and fingers, gets his trachea broken (just like Matt did to Logan), and then gets beaten on until he gives up.

Originally posted by deathslash
nice feat. Still doesn't make up for the skill gap between them and getting out of a pair of "inescapable" prototype handcuffs doesn't really answer the question of what he does when he gets tied up by his arms, hands, legs, feet, and fingers, gets his trachea broken (just like Matt did to Logan), and then gets beaten on until he gives up.

His healing will deal with broken hands, feet, arms, etc... If DD was unable to do that to Wolverine or Deadpool, I don't see him taking Calvin down.

Plus the skill gap isn't that far, as I stated before.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Matt has been displayed as being the equal of captain america and has had three separate fights with iron fist (all of which portrayed them as being equals). He's also knocked out gorgon, beaten tombstone, held his own against spider-man, an evenly fought Bucky.

DD can certainly hang, but I don't know if he can take a majority.