Wildcat vs Daredevil

Supermutant

Originally posted by beatboks
How can you call that a good fight??
In the Batman Wilcat mini Bruce clearly knew who he was fighting all along and was trying to reason with Ted. Ted didn't believe it was Batman because he was having too easy a time of it ( so Brice was holding back and Ted clealy though Bruce would clean his clock). The INSTANT Bruce gave up trying to reason he put Ted dow with one blow and broke the blindfold mask in the process.

Ted's not in Bruce's level (not even close?.

You are mostly just plain wrong. Batman wasn't completely sure he was fighting Wildcat until page 5 of the fight when he said "your last combination clinched it for me...You're Wildcat." Ted definitely doesn't believe anyone would clean his clock, he's a former heavyweight champ who has single-handedly taken on the Injustice Society. Batman also didn't one-shot him. Look at the scans, we do know for certain that in the very next scan, after taking Bat's hit, "that was to open his eyes or skull," Wildcat is fully upright and functional w/out any ill effects.

I never said Ted was at the same level of Bruce. But in the ring, in a cage, or in a straight street type brawl, there are few streetlevelers tougher, and with more heart than Ted. Ted loves these types of matches and I would take him in a long good fight over DD strictly in a cage match h2h.

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Supermutant

By the way in a straight brawl fight, Wildcat is very much in Bruce's league. Enough so to get a double ko. And they had to fight pretty hard, Joker made sure of that.

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Cogito

So getting punched square in the face with multiple ~1" metal spikes leaves only scratches?

Well done, DC.

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
You are mostly just plain wrong. Batman wasn't completely sure he was fighting Wildcat until page 5 of the fight when he said "your last combination clinched it for me...You're Wildcat." Ted definitely doesn't believe anyone would clean his clock, he's a former heavyweight champ who has single-handedly taken on the Injustice Society. Batman also didn't one-shot him. Look at the scans, we do know for certain that in the very next scan, after taking Bat's hit, "that was to open his eyes or skull," Wildcat is fully upright and functional w/out any ill effects.

I never said Ted was at the same level of Bruce. But in the ring, in a cage, or in a straight street type brawl, there are few streetlevelers tougher, and with more heart than Ted. Ted loves these types of matches and I would take him in a long good fight over DD strictly in a cage match h2h.

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Ha ha so you say I'm wrong but post the scans to confirm what I said?
1. There were only 5 panels of "fight" before Bruce said that clinches it. I dont count full page panels as more than they are and the first page is two guys standing in a cage (no fighting).
2. Those panels amount to WC striking Bruce three times and completely missi g twice (as Bruce grts his measure)
3. Clinched means confirmed ergo ye had to susspect first. Its not like there is a lot of action prior to confirmation.
4. Ted clearly states that Batman would have to "LET HIM" for WC to wail on him (clearly Tex doesnt see himself as even close to Bruce)
5. As soon as Ted wouldnt see reason Bruce says "you leave me no choice " clearly showing he had been making a conscious choice to that point not to go all out.
6. Once he does he takes Ted in one move with him unable to counter ("clinching" Ted's statement about letting him wail on him.

Now lets look at your Brave and the Bold scans (Joker coerced fight).
a) its pre COIE and Bruce Pre Crisis is no where near post COIE Batman in any way shape of form. Pre crisis Bats got hurt regularly.
b) its clearly stated by Joker they were holding back AND Bruce is clearly surprised Ted struck him so hard. Ted eve apologized and said they can't afford to hold back.
c) the way the story unfolded Batman had been looking for an opening to take o Joker and found it

So we have two fights (one not canon any more) of Ted fighting a holding back Bruce and NOT WINNING.

Yeah thats the same level laughing

Supermutant

Originally posted by beatboks
Ha ha so you say I'm wrong but post the scans to confirm what I said?
1. There were only 5 panels of "fight" before Bruce said that clinches it. I dont count full page panels as more than they are and the first page is two guys standing in a cage (no fighting).
2. Those panels amount to WC striking Bruce three times and completely missi g twice (as Bruce grts his measure)
3. Clinched means confirmed ergo ye had to susspect first. Its not like there is a lot of action prior to confirmation.
4. Ted clearly states that Batman would have to "LET HIM" for WC to wail on him (clearly Tex doesnt see himself as even close to Bruce)
5. As soon as Ted wouldnt see reason Bruce says "you leave me no choice " clearly showing he had been making a conscious choice to that point not to go all out.
6. Once he does he takes Ted in one move with him unable to counter ("clinching" Ted's statement about letting him wail on him.

Now lets look at your Brave and the Bold scans (Joker coerced fight).
a) its pre COIE and Bruce Pre Crisis is no where near post COIE Batman in any way shape of form. Pre crisis Bats got hurt regularly.
b) its clearly stated by Joker they were holding back AND Bruce is clearly surprised Ted struck him so hard. Ted eve apologized and said they can't afford to hold back.
c) the way the story unfolded Batman had been looking for an opening to take o Joker and found it

So we have two fights (one not canon any more) of Ted fighting a holding back Bruce and NOT WINNING.

Yeah thats the same level laughing

lol @ you giving commentary of the full fight I posted that showed how much you overstated and was wrong. Its clear Wildcat was not koed by Batman.

lol @ your interpretation of the Brave and the Bold fight. Joker made sure that they couldn't do the typical heroes hold back thing later in the match. That's why it ended in a double ko. Wildcat also isn't at Pre Crisis level big whoop. Wildcat in a street fight is pretty formidable, that's what he does best. lol His whole career highlights are these types of fight. To suggest that Batman would treat Wildcat (who trained him in boxing) in a street brawl w/o gear like fodder is pretty ridiculous.

RadZoa

I would say that Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol @ you giving commentary of the full fight I posted that showed how much you overstated and was wrong. Its clear Wildcat was not koed by Batman.

No mention was EVER made of OK. I said put down. Your own scannshows Ted's head barely above level with his knee and Batman's torso after one blow. Since Ted cant fly the only way frombthere is down, and as stated Ted couldnt anticipate or dodge. Something Bruce did in the previous 3 attacks of Teds with only "partly" having his measure.

Actually I can show scans that show pre COIE Ted was too level, in fact a few from All Star flat out state above Bruce.

Different character, different canon. FAIL

deathslash

Originally posted by RadZoa
I would say that Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level absolutely not, he's undeniably above him.

Dareangel

Originally posted by RadZoa
I would say that Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level

and you would be very wrong. look up his history. he fought the best and took out the best. not even close

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant

in the ring, in a cage, or in a straight street type brawl, there are few streetlevelers tougher, and with more heart than Ted. Ted loves these types of matches and I would take him in a long good fight over DD strictly in a cage match h2h.

are you serious? daredevil defeated the freaking bruiser in a cage fight. beat up king pin in close quarters. only those 2 take a dump on wildcats fights. specially the one where killer croc the skilless brick grabs wildcat and crack his ribs while wildcat is helpless. daredevil is much more skilled than him its not funny.

deathslash

Originally posted by Dareangel
are you serious? daredevil defeated the freaking bruiser in a cage fight. beat up king pin in close quarters. only those 2 take a dump on wildcats fights. specially the one where killer croc the skilless brick grabs wildcat and crack his ribs while wildcat is helpless. daredevil is much more skilled than him its not funny. you might not want to talk about unskilled bricks *cough* Mr Hyde *cough**cough* tombstone*cough*. It's easy to lowball, but the fact of the matter is that wildcat is a peer of some of the best street level characters in the business. He has had good fights with batman on more than one occasion. That alone is enough to say that he's capable of beating Matt in a fight. Do I think that he wins? No, I think that he pulls maybe 3-4/10. Do I think that he's skilled enough to be considered a peer? Hell yeah.

Dareangel

Originally posted by deathslash
you might not want to talk about unskilled bricks *cough* Mr Hyde *cough**cough* tombstone*cough*. It's easy to lowball, but the fact of the matter is that wildcat is a peer of some of the best street level characters in the business. He has had good fights with batman on more than one occasion. That alone is enough to say that he's capable of beating Matt in a fight. Do I think that he wins? No, I think that he pulls maybe 3-4/10. Do I think that he's skilled enough to be considered a peer? Hell yeah.

an argument was brought that wildcat is on some complete different level when it comes to cage fighting because its his home. an example was brought that even in his supposed kingdome, "the cage" he has not very good showings. what did i tell you in previous posts? read the post, stop for a moment and think to yourself, what i sthe meaning of the post, what was that post meant to deliver. then decide if you like to jump the wagon or not. the croc example was to portray he is not something unique in cage fights. then i brought examples for daredevil in cage fights. daredevil is indeed more skilled than wildcat based on overall feats. throwing around random "but he fought batman" wont do the trick. joker fought batman and in some cases actually was kicking his ass H2H. dont use ABC please. wildcat is skilled and a respected tough fighter. however he is not as skilled as daredevil there is a gap. wildcat is a brawler with ring skills.

oh yead and just for the heck of it. you are comparing killer croc to mister hyde and tombstone? you know who can actually fight and not getting dominated by everyone on the planet?

krisblaze

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
are you serious? daredevil defeated the freaking bruiser in a cage fight. beat up king pin in close quarters. only those 2 take a dump on wildcats fights. specially the one where killer croc the skilless brick grabs wildcat and crack his ribs while wildcat is helpless. daredevil is much more skilled than him its not funny.

I'm tired of you stating here and the other thread that Croc was beating a helpless Wildcat. This is even way worse than Beatboks overstated and wrong claims. In the entire fight shown below Killer Croc didn't even get one hit in. Despite having help from another combatant that grab Wildcat from behind, Ted dominated and destroyed Croc in 3 quick and effortless hits. laughing out loud

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I'm sure you are pretty embarrassed now. I can't even take you serious after claiming that Wildcat was helpless against Croc.

Originally posted by Dareangel
an argument was brought that wildcat is on some complete different level when it comes to cage fighting because its his home. an example was brought that even in his supposed kingdome, "the cage" he has not very good showings. what did i tell you in previous posts? read the post, stop for a moment and think to yourself, what i sthe meaning of the post, what was that post meant to deliver. then decide if you like to jump the wagon or not. the croc example was to portray he is not something unique in cage fights. then i brought examples for daredevil in cage fights. daredevil is indeed more skilled than wildcat based on overall feats. throwing around random "but he fought batman" wont do the trick. joker fought batman and in some cases actually was kicking his ass H2H. dont use ABC please. wildcat is skilled and a respected tough fighter. however he is not as skilled as daredevil there is a gap. wildcat is a brawler with ring skills.

oh yead and just for the heck of it. you are comparing killer croc to mister hyde and tombstone? you know who can actually fight and not getting dominated by everyone on the planet?

lol For Wildcat entire superhero career, he has fought metahumans. People who should be way stronger, faster, or more powerful than him, but Wildcat usually comes out on top especially in the ring or in a street fight.

Just one example vs Solomon Grundy (the Green Lantern threat version)
Alan says that he can't really hurt Grundy but Wildcat stops him.

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laughing out loud

Just stop dude or otoh continue its quite amusing laughing

Supermutant

Originally posted by beatboks
No mention was EVER made of OK. I said put down. Your own scannshows Ted's head barely above level with his knee and Batman's torso after one blow. Since Ted cant fly the only way frombthere is down, and as stated Ted couldnt anticipate or dodge. Something Bruce did in the previous 3 attacks of Teds with only "partly" having his measure.

Actually I can show scans that show pre COIE Ted was too level, in fact a few from All Star flat out state above Bruce.

Different character, different canon. FAIL

Wait you go from arguing that in a ring or cage Wildcat is no threat to Batman, but now you claim to have evidence that a some point Wildcat was at Batman level or even better. lol I can't even ... laughing

Concession accepted I guess.

deathslash

Originally posted by Dareangel

oh yead and just for the heck of it. you are comparing killer croc to mister hyde and tombstone? you know who can actually fight and not getting dominated by everyone on the planet? I don't know about that, Osiris probably doesn't feel the same way about croc. He's also given bane several good fights in the past as well as occasionally dominating batman in h2h.
Originally posted by krisblaze
What about Hyde and Tombstone? they've both beaten or tagged Matt before.

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm tired of you stating here and the other thread that Croc was beating a helpless Wildcat. This is even way worse than Beatboks overstated and wrong claims.

Exactly what claims have I made that were overstated and wrong?? Your own scan of the Batman Wildcat mini completely support everything I said about it.

Lets go thru those scans i total
First scan no action they stand at opposite sides of the cage whoop di do.
Second scan Ted punches Bruce full page panel.
Then bruce grapples ted and pushes him into the cage wall.
Ted kicks him off then he misses and misses again (dodged by Bruce).
Then we have Bruce telling Ted he knows he's Wildcat and trying to reason with him.

So lets look at this carefully every part of the fight prior to Bruce telling Ted who he is we so absolutley no attack launched by Bruce. A grapple isnt an attack its a restraint. Clear evidence that the Bruce was holding back the whole time. As soon as Bruce actually TRIES to attack Ted has no answer for it and is struck with such efficiency that it breaks the mask and has Ted completely horizontal. The fact that Ted cant dodge an attack that Bruce actually telegraphed to him by TELLING HIM he was going to knock his mask or his head off,shows with absolute clarity that Bruce is quite a bit above Ted in skill.

How anyone can claim that this is a showing that puts WC on Bruces level is beyond me. We even have from Ted's own mouth that Batman would have to LET HIM do it for Ted to have this easy a time with him. Again confirming that Bruce was holding back.

Nothing over stated by me at all. You on the other hand try to make it out that so much fight has gone down B4 Bruce works out who Ted is. One landed punch, a grapple and counter and two missed/dodged attacks. Not much at all is it.

Now lets look at the back story.
Both Ted and Bruce followed the trail of kidnapped athletes forced to fight in the cage ring fights. Tell me please how likely is it that Bruce is going to give someone he knows to be victum his best fight ???? On the other side of the coin we have Ted a pro fighter who has gone into the ring to professionally fight very good and close friends and gave it everything he had.

The other fight as i said is pre COIE and a totally different pair of characters. Prw crisis Batman was nowhere near as good as post in H2H. You try to counter claim that Ted was also lower pre COIE but this is a bald faced lie. One easily proven by the pre crisis history between the two.

Bold and the brave 97 an Amnesiac Ted who doesnt even remember who he is fights as an equal of Batman.
B&B 110 the two team up against a corporate organisation that Ted was actually a board member of (proof of JUST how different the versions are from current) and had stolen the breakthrus of a scientist and killed to protect that fact.
Then we have brave and bold 118 (the one yourr scans are from). Your claim that Ted is Bruce's equal in that issue simplyisnt supported by the comic. The reason Ted is even i the story is because he gives an exhibition match at a prison. The guy he fights is a joker goon who once fought him for a title bout ("dubik" or something like that). This Goon was giving Ted a pretty hard time in the ring. The same guy was taken easily by Batman. The dog being threatened in your scans had the cure to a deadly virus that had infected most of the prisoners. So Bruce had to play along. I've already shown that Joker knew Bruce was holding back , and that Bruce was surprised Ted hit him so hard (with Ted stating no point holding back and clearly shows Bruce still was).

Your claim that Ted wasnt as good as post COIE is contradicted by the fact it states on panel when Ted fights E2 Comissioner Bruce Wayne in All star Comics that Ted is the Superior fighter and that Bruce never had a chance. E1 Batman was above E2 but Ted was actually a higherrated combatant than post crisis.

FTR I'm a JSA fan and hate post COIE Batman (was a fan of the pre crisis Bat when he was human and lost occasionally and was a character who simply persevered and pushed thru it). So if there was actually a case to be made for Ted being Bruce's equal I'd be on board. There isn't.

As for the Wildcat Grundy fight. So the F what. Grundy is an elemental who absorbs energy. Particularly magic, alan using his ring against Grundy is oike someone fighting Superman on the sun. Grundy NEVER does well against street levelers because he isnt at high levels. Also Grundy is a stupid and mindless brute, sinc3 all ted did was use grundy's own momentum to run him into something not much of a showing.

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm tired of you stating here and the other thread that Croc was beating a helpless Wildcat. This is even way worse than Beatboks overstated and wrong claims. In the entire fight shown below Killer Croc didn't even get one hit in. Despite having help from another combatant that grab Wildcat from behind, Ted dominated and destroyed Croc in 3 quick and effortless hits. laughing out loud

Just stop dude or otoh continue its quite amusing laughing

if there is something i learned is that when the person you argue is starting to use smilies, trash talk or cinical forms in his argument, that means he is left with less and less credible material. which seems to be the case with you as well. you simply post another fight between them and trying to act like you dont know what am i talking about. i am talking about this scene in the cage fight.

by showing wildcat beating up some version of grandy, who is known to be a huge jobber and have different incarnations, what is your point? you stated wildcat fought faster, stronger and more powerful opponents than him. so did daredevil by far. but first, i would like you to post the things you said. post fights of wildcat going up against the things you stated. only then i will crush your strawman with daredevil feats. until then there is nothing to crush. dont you feel now embarracced when i shoved your face into the scan and facts?

Dareangel

Originally posted by deathslash
I don't know about that, Osiris probably doesn't feel the same way about croc. He's also given bane several good fights in the past as well as occasionally dominating batman in h2h.
.

stop using strawman BS that you dont believe in yourself. croc has 0 fighting abilities. harvey dent AKA two faces chocked him out easily without him knowing what to do. everybody and their grandma beat croc because he has 0 skills.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
if there is something i learned is that when the person you argue is starting to use smilies, trash talk or cinical forms in his argument, that means he is left with less and less credible material. which seems to be the case with you as well. you simply post another fight between them and trying to act like you dont know what am i talking about. i am talking about this scene in the cage fight.

by showing wildcat beating up some version of grandy, who is known to be a huge jobber and have different incarnations, what is your point? you stated wildcat fought faster, stronger and more powerful opponents than him. so did daredevil by far. but first, i would like you to post the things you said. post fights of wildcat going up against the things you stated. only then i will crush your strawman with daredevil feats. until then there is nothing to crush. dont you feel now embarracced when i shoved your face into the scan and facts?

More laughing

Your scan shows Croc beating (and ultimately killing) Hector Ramierez a former student of the real Wildcat who used Ted's costume as a sign of respect to him. If you actually read the scans I posted you would have saved yourself this further embarrassment. Wildcat clearly stated that to Croc who was surprised to see him alive.

But I'll make it perfectly clear for you.
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So to answer your question, no I am not "embarracced." But I am embarrass for you, and I am still waiting for you "to shove my face into the scan and facts." Seems like I am the one doing the shoveling here. rolling on floor laughing

Supermutant

Originally posted by beatboks
Exactly what claims have I made that were overstated and wrong?? Your own scan of the Batman Wildcat mini completely support everything I said about it.

Lets go thru those scans i total
First scan no action they stand at opposite sides of the cage whoop di do.
Second scan Ted punches Bruce full page panel.
Then bruce grapples ted and pushes him into the cage wall.
Ted kicks him off then he misses and misses again (dodged by Bruce).
Then we have Bruce telling Ted he knows he's Wildcat and trying to reason with him.

So lets look at this carefully every part of the fight prior to Bruce telling Ted who he is we so absolutley no attack launched by Bruce. A grapple isnt an attack its a restraint. Clear evidence that the Bruce was holding back the whole time. As soon as Bruce actually TRIES to attack Ted has no answer for it and is struck with such efficiency that it breaks the mask and has Ted completely horizontal. The fact that Ted cant dodge an attack that Bruce actually telegraphed to him by TELLING HIM he was going to knock his mask or his head off,shows with absolute clarity that Bruce is quite a bit above Ted in skill.

How anyone can claim that this is a showing that puts WC on Bruces level is beyond me. We even have from Ted's own mouth that Batman would have to LET HIM do it for Ted to have this easy a time with him. Again confirming that Bruce was holding back.

Nothing over stated by me at all. You on the other hand try to make it out that so much fight has gone down B4 Bruce works out who Ted is. One landed punch, a grapple and counter and two missed/dodged attacks. Not much at all is it.

Now lets look at the back story.
Both Ted and Bruce followed the trail of kidnapped athletes forced to fight in the cage ring fights. Tell me please how likely is it that Bruce is going to give someone he knows to be victum his best fight ???? On the other side of the coin we have Ted a pro fighter who has gone into the ring to professionally fight very good and close friends and gave it everything he had.

The other fight as i said is pre COIE and a totally different pair of characters. Prw crisis Batman was nowhere near as good as post in H2H. You try to counter claim that Ted was also lower pre COIE but this is a bald faced lie. One easily proven by the pre crisis history between the two.

Bold and the brave 97 an Amnesiac Ted who doesnt even remember who he is fights as an equal of Batman.
B&B 110 the two team up against a corporate organisation that Ted was actually a board member of (proof of JUST how different the versions are from current) and had stolen the breakthrus of a scientist and killed to protect that fact.
Then we have brave and bold 118 (the one yourr scans are from). Your claim that Ted is Bruce's equal in that issue simplyisnt supported by the comic. The reason Ted is even i the story is because he gives an exhibition match at a prison. The guy he fights is a joker goon who once fought him for a title bout ("dubik" or something like that). This Goon was giving Ted a pretty hard time in the ring. The same guy was taken easily by Batman. The dog being threatened in your scans had the cure to a deadly virus that had infected most of the prisoners. So Bruce had to play along. I've already shown that Joker knew Bruce was holding back , and that Bruce was surprised Ted hit him so hard (with Ted stating no point holding back and clearly shows Bruce still was).

Your claim that Ted wasnt as good as post COIE is contradicted by the fact it states on panel when Ted fights E2 Comissioner Bruce Wayne in All star Comics that Ted is the Superior fighter and that Bruce never had a chance. E1 Batman was above E2 but Ted was actually a higherrated combatant than post crisis.

FTR I'm a JSA fan and hate post COIE Batman (was a fan of the pre crisis Bat when he was human and lost occasionally and was a character who simply persevered and pushed thru it). So if there was actually a case to be made for Ted being Bruce's equal I'd be on board. There isn't.

As for the Wildcat Grundy fight. So the F what. Grundy is an elemental who absorbs energy. Particularly magic, alan using his ring against Grundy is oike someone fighting Superman on the sun. Grundy NEVER does well against street levelers because he isnt at high levels. Also Grundy is a stupid and mindless brute, sinc3 all ted did was use grundy's own momentum to run him into something not much of a showing.

Nice wall of text of a concession, and most of these points have already been addressed. So I'll let the actual proof speak for itself. I still have all 3 issues of the Batman/Wildcat mini of my hard drive.

The only response I need to that essay is this: Wildcat does not have to be at Bruce's level to beat Daredevil in a close quarters strictly h2h match. The kind of fight that Ted has excel at his entire career.

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
More laughing

You mentioned DD fights vs Bruiser, Tombstone, and Mr Hyde. It should be obvious that why I posted the Ted vs Grundy fight. Ted beat bricks all the time big deal.

Also its not my job to educate you about Wildcat. If you don't know much about a character, then why would you even put yourself in the discussion. I mean Ted's whole career is these type of brawls, its not hard to find that out.

lol I doubt you would be crushing anything given your inability to see the clear context of scans and not just google search for images that appear relevant.

Lol i was checking your knowledge of wildcat and if you really aware of the story or not. wanted to see how well you know the character you are trying to debate for.

you have to be joking if you compare a random version of solomon grandy, who is known to have versions that get beat up by batman and other streets, and freakin bruiser. i dont think you know who bruiser is. he is not a brick. he is a cage fighter/assassin with super human abilities. kaine had trouble with this guy. mr hyde and tombstone that you mentiones are far from being just bricks. daredevil took them out with 1 nerve strike. daredevil also beat psylocke, black panther, shang chi, taskmaster, matched iron fist, beat scrossboned who gives cap trouble, 1 shotted gorgon atc atc. i got plenty but can you put wildcat on that level? what has wildcat done? oh right he fought batman. give me a freakin break. he is not on the level of daredevil. as far as skills i could give him punisher skills. matt outskills punisher and we all know that

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
Wait you go from arguing that in a ring or cage Wildcat is no threat to Batman, but now you claim to have evidence that a some point Wildcat was at Batman level or even better. lol I can't even ... laughing

Concession accepted I guess.

Ha ha, I said it was from All Star Comics. That's the GA and SA title teh JSA were in. It was set on Earth 2 and never once featured ANY earth 1 JLA member or cross over (they happened in other titles).

I said Bruce, not Batman, because on Earth 2 Batman had retired and Bruce wayne had taken over as Commissioner of Gotham.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446963-1+vs+commisioner+wayne.jpg

In response to my stating that Pre COIE Bruce was lower down the chain than post you made a fallacious and completely incarcerate statement that Ted was also lower (inferring that he was MUCH lower). I stated that wasn't so. The fact is that pre COIE Ted Grant whether it was E1 or the E2 version was higher ranked as a combatant than post Crisis was.

Wildcat pre Crisis was easily top 20 DCU combatant. Post coie he'd be lucky to make the top 50.

Especially with showings like these.

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I wish I could say this is lowballing, Unfortunately with the crappy treaetment WC has received post COIE, this is a good percentage of his appearances. So NO he defintely isn't up the food chain from where he was pre COIE, he's moved down considerably.

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
Nice wall of text of a concession, and most of these points have already been addressed. So I'll let the actual proof speak for itself. I still have all 3 issues of the Batman/Wildcat mini of my hard drive.

The only response I need to that essay is this: Wildcat does not have to be at Bruce's level to beat Daredevil in a close quarters strictly h2h match. The kind of fight that Ted has excel at his entire career.

OK No essay, and unfortunately all I have is the old fashioned printed hard copies, so I have to scan them first

Fact 1, for Ted it was personnel, and he was pissed.

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446991-batman+%26+wildcat+%232+-+page+7.jpg

Fact 2 Bruce expected the cavalry any minute from the outset.
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446992-batman+%26+wildcat+%232+-+page+8.jpg
He knew Oracle could track his location once the feed started and that Robin would be enroute ( as per the panels taking up space in your "5 PAGES of fight ha ha" wink

Fact 3 EVERYONE knew that Bruce wasn't going for a kill.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446993-batman+%26+wildcat+%232+-+page+21.jpg

A bloodlusted pissed of Ted couldn't take a holding back not willing to kill Batman.

Dareangel

Originally posted by beatboks
Ha ha, I said it was from All Star Comics. That's the GA and SA title teh JSA were in. It was set on Earth 2 and never once featured ANY earth 1 JLA member or cross over (they happened in other titles).

I said Bruce, not Batman, because on Earth 2 Batman had retired and Bruce wayne had taken over as Commissioner of Gotham.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446963-1+vs+commisioner+wayne.jpg

In response to my stating that Pre COIE Bruce was lower down the chain than post you made a fallacious and completely incarcerate statement that Ted was also lower (inferring that he was MUCH lower). I stated that wasn't so. The fact is that pre COIE Ted Grant whether it was E1 or the E2 version was higher ranked as a combatant than post Crisis was.

Wildcat pre Crisis was easily top 20 DCU combatant. Post coie he'd be lucky to make the top 50.

Especially with showings like these.

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446946-wc+blidsided+.jpg
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http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446970-scan0005.jpg
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5446972-scan0008.jpg

I wish I could say this is lowballing, Unfortunately with the crappy treaetment WC has received post COIE, this is a good percentage of his appearances. So NO he defintely isn't up the food chain from where he was pre COIE, he's moved down considerably.

those showings indeed prove what i said. wildcat is a brawler with ring skills. he is no match for top martial artists and fighters like daredevil

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant

he has fought metahumans. People who should be way stronger, faster, or more powerful than him, but Wildcat usually comes out on top especially in the ring or in a street fight.

why are you avoiding my request? back that up. show me those faster stronger and more powerful opponents wildcat defeated

beatboks

Originally posted by Supermutant
Wildcat does not have to be at Bruce's level to beat Daredevil in a close quarters strictly

Actually based on the times DD and Bat's have crossed paths, yes he does
http://i0.wp.com/bigglasgowcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Daredevil-and-Batman-Eye-for-an-Eye-018.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/daredevil-and-batman-eye-for-an-eye-006.jpg
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Matt Seems to do as good a job dodging Bruce's attacks (or cathcing them) as Bruce does Ted's. Shame Ted couldn't say the same.

Dareangel

yep. aside of that matt shows incredible level of agility and skills that allow him to fight spiderman and beat symbiot spiderman in a blow for blow fight. daredevil is on a different level. daredevil hangs with captain america, one shotts wolverine and gorgon. wildcat is not at those levels.

deathslash

Supermutant

Originally posted by beatboks
Actually based on the times DD and Bat's have crossed paths, yes he does
http://i0.wp.com/bigglasgowcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Daredevil-and-Batman-Eye-for-an-Eye-018.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/daredevil-and-batman-eye-for-an-eye-006.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112928/3527142-8306656664-087my.jpg

Matt Seems to do as good a job dodging Bruce's attacks (or cathcing them) as Bruce does Ted's. Shame Ted couldn't say the same.

Catching batarangs means nothing against Wildcat. The only things Wildcat will be throwing are punch combinations and haymakers. Also funny how you forgot to show the rest of that batarangs catch scan where Bruce kicks Matt in the face.

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29897091_batmandaredevil6.jpg

Hell, Wildcat performed just as good in the first scan I posted and better in the second. So nice "fail." stick out tongue

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
Catching batarangs means nothing against Wildcat. The only things Wildcat will be throwing are punch combinations and haymakers. Also funny how you forgot to show the rest of that batarangs catch scan where Bruce kicks Matt in the face.

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29897091_batmandaredevil6.jpg

Hell, Wildcat performed just as good in the first scan I posted and better in the second. So nice "fail." stick out tongue

as pointed out in another thread, you sure like to twist the facts in scans. you can clearly see that daredevil dodge that kick and it did not connect. daredevil leans back with the kick avoiding it. you dont see an impact depiction like an "arghhh" for example or anything that can tell us it was a connected kick. then batman is trying to punch him and daredevil avoids that as well. anyone with a set of eyes can see that. stop trying to twist feats and scans all the time, its getting redicilous.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
as pointed out in another thread, you sure like to twist the facts in scans. you can clearly see that daredevil dodge that kick and it did not connect. daredevil leans back with the kick avoiding it. you dont see an impact depiction like an "arghhh" for example or anything that can tell us it was a connected kick. then batman is trying to punch him and daredevil avoids that as well. anyone with a set of eyes can see that. stop trying to twist feats and scans all the time, its getting redicilous.

Clicking on the image makes it bigger lol. Dude its clear Batman kicks him and Daredevil drops the batarangs. So exactly what scans or feats I'm twisting? The one that you posted on two threads that you believed showed Croc crushing Ted Grant, or the ones that you said Deathstroke gets bested by Nightwing all the time, or this one where DD gets kicked.?

You have been clearly wrong every time and even had to admit but stating things like:

Originally posted by Dareangel
i misswrote what i intended to write.

laughing out loud

abhilegend

Matt is not dodging that kick. His head is kicked back at far lower angle and more than he can lean away.

And Bullseye has flat out said that Batman hits harder than Daredevil.

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
Clicking on the image makes it bigger lol. Dude its clear Batman kicks him and Daredevil drops the batarangs. So exactly what scans or feats I'm twisting? The one that you posted on two threads that you believed showed Croc crushing Ted Grant, or the ones that you said Deathstroke gets bested by Nightwing all the time, or this one where DD gets kicked.?

You have been clearly wrong every time and even had to admit but stating things like:

where is it clear? daredevil is leaning back and doging the kick. you dont see impact depiction like the average "baam" you also dont see matt reacting with any sort of pain expression or "arghh". daredevil throws the batrangs while on it. daredevil avoided a kick and a punch from batman as easy as it is.

you also failed to address my points on the deathstroke thread as well as here. you simply twist scans and feats and hope for the best. thats weak.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend

And Bullseye has flat out said that Batman hits harder than Daredevil.

statements are not actual feats. daredevil one shotting psylocke, gorgon, and beating both sabretooth and symbiot spiderman in a fist fight says otherwise.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
where is it clear? daredevil is leaning back and doging the kick. you dont see impact depiction like the average "baam" you also dont see matt reacting with any sort of pain expression or "arghh". daredevil throws the batrangs while on it. daredevil avoided a kick and a punch from batman as easy as it is.

you also failed to address my points on the deathstroke thread as well as here. you simply twist scans and feats and hope for the best. thats weak.

That's a horrible depiction. Any reasonable person sees clearly with the body positioning that Daredevil has been kick. That scan is the immediate aftermath with DD's head close to the ground and his arms up unable to brace for the impact. Furthermore DD has excellent accuracy when throwing projectiles. He would not wildly toss batarangs up in the air nowhere close to doing any damage to Bats.

Also, DD cannot levitate or fly, and Batman's body is in the position of having made contact with DD. Artists do not always use sound expression to show impact especially when then they clearly show impact by the body position.

No, I have address every point of your downright false and grossly inaccurate assumptions and misstatements. You on the other hand continue to state them over again like you believe that saying the wrong thing enough times will somehow make you right.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
statements are not actual feats. daredevil one shotting psylocke, gorgon, and beating both sabretooth and symbiot spiderman in a fist fight says otherwise.
Yet, he has never oneshotted Bullseye who has a very good recollection of how hard Matt hits.

TheLurkingFear

Wildcat ftw, via "good old fashioned knuckle buster. "

Sin I AM

Originally posted by RadZoa
I would say that Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level

Lmfao

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
That's a horrible depiction. Any reasonable person sees clearly with the body positioning that Daredevil has been kick. That scan is the immediate aftermath with DD's head close to the ground and his arms up unable to brace for the impact. Furthermore DD has excellent accuracy when throwing projectiles. He would not wildly toss batarangs up in the air nowhere close to doing any damage to Bats.

Also, DD cannot levitate or fly, and Batman's body is in the position of having made contact with DD. Artists do not always use sound expression to show impact especially when then they clearly show impact by the body position.

No, I have address every point of your downright false and grossly inaccurate assumptions and misstatements. You on the other hand continue to state them over again like you believe that saying the wrong thing enough times will somehow make you right.

your depiction of the scans is very biased. daredevil leans back its that simple. dont even try to say he is not flexible enough to just lean back like that. yes he was close to the ground because he leaned back. then he is right back at his feet avoiding a punch from batman. him getting kicked in the face prior to that makes no sense. those 2 showings are being 1 followed by the other depict how daredevil avoids getting hit by batman. bruce commented on how the batrangs are meant to occupy matts hands. therefor matt leans back and throws them. he cant focus on both throwing them straight at batman while avoiding his kick like that. well he can but the writer thought he cant.

this is not about levitation, if you are trying to argue leaning back is beyond something daredevil can do, then please educate yourself about his physical abilities from 0. artist do use sounds and different depictions to point out an impact. look at the drawing closely, matt is leaning back with an average face expression on his face. in any drawing after being kicked to the face his mouth would be opened with pain and show he got hurt. in the next scan we see both sound depiction of action as well as batman grabs matt from behind and you see matts face expresson of being in a struggle. therefor we know the srtist depicts facial expressions and sound when its needed.

you did not address my points. and the fact half of your paragraph is just useless trash talking only makes my point more clear. someone who has an argument just presents it. the person who doesnt have anything to say resort to name calling and anger.

Dareangel

here is the scan i was talking about. the artist intetions when he wants to show someone is hurt or struggles.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, he has never oneshotted Bullseye who has a very good recollection of how hard Matt hits.

as far as we know the crossovers dont count. but even if they are, matt one shotted freaking gorgon. can you post something on that scale for batman?

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
here is the scan i was talking about. the artist intetions when he wants to show someone is hurt or struggles.

Thanks for making my point. There are no sound effects shown when Bats grab DD around the neck, or when DD flips Bats over. Also we know that Bats has to land b/c he can't fly or levitate, but that actually scene is not shown although it clearly has to happen.

I'm also not angry, but I am continuing to laughing out loud

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
Thanks for making my point. There are no sound effects shown when Bats grab DD around the neck, or when DD flips Bats over. Also we know that Bats has to land b/c he can't fly or levitate, but that actually scene is not shown although it clearly has to happen.

I'm also not angry, but I am continuing to laughing out loud

at the lengths you will go when you are wrong. I am guessing that you are just "testing my knowledge" again, to backpedal away from being clearly wrong again.

About the "points" you are making, I have already showed your many errors and mistakes. But I will ask again what specific points have you raised that I haven't address. besides stating what is obviously incorrect over and over.

when batman grabs matt by the neck, you see a depiction of struggle and matt being hurt.with the scan where daredevil leans back and avoid the kick you see no signs of pain or anything on his face. just a traight face. it is preety obvious he avoided that kick you are grasping straws and evne they dont exist.

throwing around you are wrong you are wrong isnt going to do the job. here i can do it as well. you are wrong. you are just wrong. and? if you believe me to be wrong prove it, just like i am doing to your argument. proving its wrong.

scroll back and read them its not that hard. you should have done it before. i am not typing everything just because you didnt do your chores on time.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Dareangel
when batman grabs matt by the neck, you see a depiction of struggle and matt being hurt.with the scan where daredevil leans back and avoid the kick you see no signs of pain or anything on his face. just a traight face. it is preety obvious he avoided that kick you are grasping straws and evne they dont exist.

lol So now you are stating that Bat's grab hurt DD, but his kick didn't. Immediately before the bat kick DD is smiling, after he has an expressionless face like someone who has just gotten stunned has.

Originally posted by Dareangel
throwing around you are wrong you are wrong isnt going to do the job. here i can do it as well. you are wrong. you are just wrong. and? if you believe me to be wrong prove it, just like i am doing to your argument. proving its wrong.

I have repeatedly proved why you are wrong with actual issues in the right context. I even shamed you into admitting it, although you were/are still trying to weasel out of it.

Originally posted by Dareangel
as i pointed out, i accidently wrote that. lol lol lol

So you have no relevant points, and have very little knowledge of what you are stating. I'm glad we agree on that. About doing chores, how old are you 12?

In the below Daredevil vs Black Panther Shuri fight (Daredevil #7 2014 Original Sin Tie In) in the next to last panel. Does Daredevil kick Shuri or does Shuri lean back and dodges it? Also notice no sound effects.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29904039_ddvsshuri.jpg

I will be eagerly awaiting your answer.

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol So now you are stating that Bat's grab hurt DD, but his kick didn't. Immediately before the bat kick DD is smiling, after he has an expressionless face like someone who has just gotten stunned has.

I have repeatedly proved why you are wrong with actual issues in the right context. I even shamed you into admitting it, although you were/are still trying to weasel out of it.

lol lol lol

So you have no relevant points, and have very little knowledge of what you are stating. I'm glad we agree on that. About doing chores, how old are you 12?

In the below Daredevil vs Black Panther Shuri fight (Daredevil #7 2014 Original Sin Tie In) in the next to last panel. Does Daredevil kick Shuri or does Shuri lean back and dodges it? Also notice no sound effects.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/29904039_ddvsshuri.jpg

I will be eagerly awaiting your answer.

his kicks didnt because they didnt land as simple as it is. if the kick landed you would see an expression of pain. you just confrim my point that a kick is harder and should get more emotions out of him. way to enforce my argument brilliant. his expression isnt stunned. this is getting pathetic. his expression is very regular or someone who just avoided a kick and avoided a punch afterwards. if a kick to the face was landed he wouldnt be perfectly fine to continue and avoid the punch as well.

you did not prove me wrong on anything. you just stick to any life saving belt you could find and at this point you stuck to a mistake i made confusing between whats happening the majority of their fights. thats weak... how about you try to actually address my argument

as i pointed out, i am not doing all the work for you. we have an argument and you got lazy and thought you can just skip my argument and pretend like i never presented the things i have. now you are punished for that and have to go back and fetch them.

in the scan you posted she gets kicked. first of all different arts. i already proved that the artists that drew the fight between batman and matt, show pain and strugle expressions when they exist. secondly in daredevil vs batman, daredevil is arching his back and doing avoiding moves. the art clearly shows it. he is arching his back with the kick and his face expression is fine. in this scan however, daredevil connected and she is just falling back like a traight plank. this is something that happens to someone after he is being hit and falls back. also you can see that his kick is under the level of her head which means it connected to her face. however daredevil vs batman you see daredevil being under the kick which means he avoided it. here is your difference. now go fetch me some answers to my previous argument... i am waiting

Supermutant

More nonsense. So basically according to you when DD kicks someone and that opponent leans back w/o sound expressions it is clearly a kick. But when Batman does the same to DD it isn't. That's beyond horrible, and I just further exposed and shamed you.

Blue Area Vet

Brutal fight, but Matt wins this a large majority.

Dareangel

Originally posted by Supermutant
More nonsense. So basically according to you when DD kicks someone and that opponent leans back w/o sound expressions it is clearly a kick. But when Batman does the same to DD it isn't. That's beyond horrible, and I just further exposed and shamed you.

whats the matter i broke your argument? why dont you address to all the reasons i gave? i explained detail after detail why in the batman daredevil fight its a dodge while in this fight its a hit. if you fail to understand it work on your comprehension. stop being a clown and admit you simply got owned at the very least on this one. if not, counter my explanation.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
as far as we know the crossovers dont count. but even if they are, matt one shotted freaking gorgon. can you post something on that scale for batman?
But you're using Batman and Daredevil crossover?

Daredevil never oneshotted Gorgon. He cheapshotted Gorgon who was already fighting Iron Fist.

Sure, Batman oneshotted Captain Marvel with a kick and reverted him to Billy Batson.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
But you're using Batman and Daredevil crossover?

Daredevil never oneshotted Gorgon. He cheapshotted Gorgon who was already fighting Iron Fist.

Sure, Batman oneshotted Captain Marvel with a kick and reverted him to Billy Batson.

cheap shotted? gorgon was during a fight as you stated and he was in a fighting mode. he wasnt relaxed. also gorgon has insane healing factor so he wasnt hurt when he got the kick from daredevil. a KO is a KO. daredevil did something no one could do to gorgon. thats including iron fist

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
cheap shotted? gorgon was during a fight as you stated and he was in a fighting mode.

He wasn't fighting Daredevil who kicked him from behind. Classic cheapshot.

Yes, he kicked Gorgon from behind and koed him who was already hurt from Iron Fist.

Bullseye koed Daredevil with a paper aeroplane once. So anything harder than that must ko him, right?

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't fighting Daredevil who kicked him from behind. Classic cheapshot.

Yes, he kicked Gorgon from behind and koed him who was already hurt from Iron Fist.

Bullseye koed Daredevil with a paper aeroplane once. So anything harder than that must ko him, right?

you are wrong in your statement. watch the scan daredevil kicked him in the face. gorgon saw him couldnt do anything. it wasnt from behind.

lowballing is never the answer. daredevil clearly has majority of wins over bullseye as well as killing him. on top of that even the fight you posted with elektra matt beats the crap out of him

abhilegend

That's not how that happened. Danny even asks Gorgon to look behind but he called it a bluff and Matt cheapshotted him.

Stop whining.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not how that happened. Danny even asks Gorgon to look behind but he called it a bluff and Matt cheapshotted him.

Stop whining.

this does not look like "behind". its between the front and the side.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
this does not look like "behind". its between the front and the side.
Seriously?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3660397-2276814-1.jpg

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3660397-2276814-1.jpg

did you see the scan i posted? what does it show? daredevil comming from his front side. this is a fact. you want to argue with the depiction we clearly see ? how is it possible to hit someone in the face from behind.... please stop. you also cant say that its gorgon turned behind because you can see matt is next to iron fist. it is clear as daylight. i am posting the scan again look closely.

Dareangel

look closely at the direction...

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
did you see the scan i posted? what does it show? daredevil comming from his front side. this is a fact. you want to argue with the depiction we clearly see ? how is it possible to hit someone in the face from behind.... please stop. you also cant say that its gorgon turned behind because you can see matt is next to iron fist. it is clear as daylight. i am posting the scan again look closely. Originally posted by Dareangel
look closely at the direction...
Yes, I see the direction. Its called an art error.

Iron Fist is asking Gorgon to look behind but as usual he calls it a bluff and Matt cheapshots him.

You should read the dialogue first. Gorgon would kill Daredevil in a fight.

Also shut up already with your constant whining.

DarkSaint85

When did Batman revert Billy with a kick? IIRC Billy did it to draw him in?

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I see the direction. Its called an art error.

Iron Fist is asking Gorgon to look behind but as usual he calls it a bluff and Matt cheapshots him.

You should read the dialogue first. Gorgon would kill Daredevil in a fight.

Also shut up already with your constant whining.

art error? no ... its a statement error. how the hell could daredevil kick gorgon in his face if he was from behind? it was a statement error from iron fist because look to your side jusr sounds wierd. again look at the big scan and tell me what do you see. a whole art is false and the outcome... but 1 useless statement to you is the key? please... stop grasping straws. your opinion of what will happen in a fight between gorgon and daredevil<<<<<< what happened in the actual fight between gorgon and daredevil. the only one whining about a simple knock out by daredevil is you.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
art error? no ... its a statement error. how the hell could daredevil kick gorgon in his face if he was from behind? it was a statement error from iron fist because look to your side jusr sounds wierd. again look at the big scan and tell me what do you see. a whole art is false and the outcome... but 1 useless statement to you is the key? please... stop grasping straws. your opinion of what will happen in a fight between gorgon and daredevil<<<<<< what happened in the actual fight between gorgon and daredevil. the only one whining about a simple knock out by daredevil is you.
How is it a statement error? You know writer>artists, right?

You're just making things up now to suit your version of how things went. No need to discuss that.

When you have some actual fact or reasoning, do let me know.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is it a statement error? You know writer>artists, right?

You're just making things up now to suit your version of how things went. No need to discuss that.

When you have some actual fact or reasoning, do let me know.

again. a whole art depicting daredevil delivering a kick to the face of gorgon while being side by side with iron fist >>>> some useless statement that probably was writen because its what people usually say. you dont hear look to your side often. its not something people say. also, maybe iron fist wanted gorgon to look behind him to make sure the kick will land because it was so much towards his face that he could see it and maybe avoid it. but the look behind you thing is a known distraction statement used in fights to make the opponent look to the wrong direction.

fact of reasoning? i just bring you what happened in the comics as we all see. you are the one trying to re invent the wheel over here for some reason.

abhilegend

Art error. Happens all the time.

Iron Fist specifically asked Gorgon to not look behind. Gorgon was surprised attacked by someone he wasn't fighting.

End of story. Whining wouldn't change anything kid.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Art error. Happens all the time.

Iron Fist specifically asked Gorgon to not look behind. Gorgon was surprised attacked by someone he wasn't fighting.

End of story. Whining wouldn't change anything kid.

you just wont admit you lost right? i posted a clear scan that shows black on white he was kicked in the face from the front side. a scan. you claim it doesnt count. why? because iron fist told him to look behind because its either an error since nobody says look to your side. or the other option which i explained, is that iron fist wanted to trick him and make him not see daredevil infront of him.

i know what the problem is. i am a new member and dont know too much about comics. so you desided oh great lets jump that wagon and have fun. but once you got caught for being wrong, you simply cant admit you are wrong against some newbie. so you will just keep repeating yourself even thought its clearly funny and very obvious you are wrong. you can do better than that

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
you just wont admit you lost right? i posted a clear scan that shows black on white he was kicked in the face from the front side. a scan. you claim it doesnt count. why? because iron fist told him to look behind because its either an error since nobody says look to your side. or the other option which i explained, is that iron fist wanted to trick him and make him not see daredevil infront of him.

i know what the problem is. i am a new member and dont know too much about comics. so you desided oh great lets jump that wagon and have fun. but once you got caught for being wrong, you simply cant admit you are wrong against some newbie. so you will just keep repeating yourself even thought its clearly funny and very obvious you are wrong. you can do better than that
Like I said, this isn't up for debate. Matt cheapshotted Gorgon who was fighting Iron Fist at the time.

There is dialogue and everything indicating it was a cheapshot. Just because you are a massive Daredevil fan doesn't mean it wasn't a cheapshot.

You can be surprised even by attacks when they are punched in the face. Prime example.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/443/82985-2498-doc-samson.jpg

Stop this foolishness.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, this isn't up for debate. Matt cheapshotted Gorgon who was fighting Iron Fist at the time.

There is dialogue and everything indicating it was a cheapshot. Just because you are a massive Daredevil fan doesn't mean it wasn't a cheapshot.

You can be surprised even by attacks when they are punched in the face. Prime example.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/443/82985-2498-doc-samson.jpg

Stop this foolishness.

you were claiming it was from behind which isnt. aside of that he was clearly in the side front of gorgon and gorgon could react to that. just like he showed the ability with elektra and wolverine by reading their minds. i guess matt was too fast . it also doesnt change the fact gorgon was in a fighting mode and ready to get hit. he was int he middle of a fight. and yet a kick from daredevil ended it. daredevil did what no one could and knocked gorgon out. deal with that.

abhilegend

I claimed its a cheapshot and it is. Not up for debate.

We can have a mod ruling if you are too dense to understand that.

I don't have to deal with anything kid. Your word means less than nothing to me.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
I claimed its a cheapshot and it is. Not up for debate.

We can have a mod ruling if you are too dense to understand that.

I don't have to deal with anything kid. Your word means less than nothing to me.

oh are you goign to cry to mods now? cant handle a simple internet debate? its so ironic that you call me a kid and yet acting like a total wuss. ohh noo you are going to call the mods if i wont agree with you. this is pathetic

abhilegend

When you're unable to understand basic logic, what choice does one has?

It's not crying to mods. It's basically intolerance to troll logic.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
When you're unable to understand basic logic, what choice does one has?

It's not crying to mods. It's basically intolerance to troll logic.

you are just whining that i shattered your weak argument. you were trying to grasp on straws and claim he was attacked from behind by daredevil. i posted the damn scan showing you it wasnt the case. then you came whining he was cheap shotted. i pointed out that first of all daredevil kicked him from the side front he could see that. further, like in his fight vs elektra and wolverine he knew exactly what the both of them will do since he can read minds. this is something that could be apllied on daredevil as well. however happened or not, facts of the matter are daredevil knocking him out with a kick. like it or not daredevil one shotted him with a kick to the face. now you can run and cry about it all you like. it happened

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
you are just whining that i shattered your weak argument.

Oh boy, you sure know how to live in your delusions.

He was cheapshotted kid. From someone who wasn't fighting him. End of story. No amount of whining would change that.

He didn't read anyone's mind in that fight. Otherwise he would know Iron Fist was telling the truth.

No, it merely shows Daredevil cheapshotted him. Bullseye koed Daredevil with a paper aeroplane. How does that make you feel?

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh boy, you sure know how to live in your delusions.

He was cheapshotted kid. From someone who wasn't fighting him. End of story. No amount of whining would change that.

He didn't read anyone's mind in that fight. Otherwise he would know Iron Fist was telling the truth.

No, it merely shows Daredevil cheapshotted him. Bullseye koed Daredevil with a paper aeroplane. How does that make you feel?

can you present the evidence he wasnt for some reason using his powers in that fight? we all know gorgon is reading his opponents mind. however, mister x has same ability. when mister x fought iron fist, he got his ass handed to him. iron fist is able to fight in such manner it bypasses those abilities. so probably same thing happened with gorgon. as far as daredevil, he simply couldnt react to that kick that knocked him out cold. as i said it came from his front side and hit his face. he could see it probably if we look at the hit direction. however, a very fast and powerful kick is just canot be stopped like that. so he took the kick to his jaw and was dropped. end of story.

abhilegend

Yes, he wasn't using his powers as he was unable to find that Iron Fist was using a feint.

Yes, it was a cheapshot. Nothing you say will change that.

Whine more.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he wasn't using his powers as he was unable to find that Iron Fist was using a feint.

Yes, it was a cheapshot. Nothing you say will change that.

Whine more.

as pointed out iron fist was able to use his fighting skills without mister x being able to read his mind and know what he is about to do. same thing happened with gorgon unless you can provide evidence for some reason he just didnt want to use his powers which is laughable.

i already stated the facts. all you are left with is you being exposed with your tears. you keep replying even when you know you lost... just to show you are still there. this is amusing

abhilegend

Iron fist fighting Mr X has nothing to do with Daredevil cheapshotting Gorgon. He used drunken style fighting which X couldn't read.

He wasn't using drunken style against Gorgon.

Keep throwing more red herrings. I want a good laugh out of this.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron fist fighting Mr X has nothing to do with Daredevil cheapshotting Gorgon. He used drunken style fighting which X couldn't read.

He wasn't using drunken style against Gorgon.

Keep throwing more red herrings. I want a good laugh out of this.

it has everything to do with it. iron fist proved that he can outfight an opponent that reads his moves. therefor it is safe to assume gorgon was using his mind reading abilities but still couldnt treat iron fist like a toy. and with that said, he could read daredevils mind as well however he couldnt do anything with that kick. again, he did it with elektra and wolverine so the burden or proof he wasnt using his powers is on you. and yes he used a specific style vs mister x, however he never stated that its the only thing in his arsenal to deal with the mind reading. as we see in his fight vs gorgon, he got other tricks up his sleeve cool

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
it has everything to do with it. iron fist proved that he can outfight an opponent that reads his moves. therefor it is safe to assume gorgon was using his mind reading abilities but still couldnt treat iron fist like a toy. and with that said, he could read daredevils mind as well however he couldnt do anything with that kick. again, he did it with elektra and wolverine so the burden or proof he wasnt using his powers is on you. and yes he used a specific style vs mister x, however he never stated that its the only thing in his arsenal to deal with the mind reading. as we see in his fight vs gorgon, he got other tricks up his sleeve cool

Iron Fist can only do that when he uses drunken style. Gorgon isn't a move reader anyway.

So no, it doesn't means Gorgon was using his telepathy to know that Daredevil was going to attack him. Otherwise he wouldn't say "Oh please" at Danny's bluff.

So no, you're just whining as usual. It was a cheapshot.

End discussion.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron Fist can only do that when he uses drunken style. Gorgon isn't a move reader anyway.

So no, it doesn't means Gorgon was using his telepathy to know that Daredevil was going to attack him. Otherwise he wouldn't say "Oh please" at Danny's bluff.

So no, you're just whining as usual. It was a cheapshot.

End discussion.

do you have evidence that the drunken style is the only think iron fist can do against it?

ROFL someone needs to read comics. one of Gorgons abilities is telepathy, which he use to read his opponents mind and know their next move. its black on white stated and portrayed in his fights vs wolverine and elektra. do you even read laughing

show me he was saying oh please to danny saying look behind you. and after you show me i will counter that and say its actually another evidence for me. iron fist knew he has telepathy so he says that on purpose so gorgon will read his mind and know its a lie. why is it a lie? because matt wasnt comming from behind but his front side. booyaaa. 2 birds in 1 strike. you got serveddd.

as i pointed out, either you post some proof gorgon suddenly wasnt using his powers or just stop embaracing yourself further.

deathslash

Originally posted by Dareangel
do you have evidence that the drunken style is the only think iron fist can do against it?

ROFL someone needs to read comics. one of Gorgons abilities is telepathy, which he use to read his opponents mind and know their next move. its black on white stated and portrayed in his fights vs wolverine and elektra. do you even read laughing

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
do you have evidence that the drunken style is the only think iron fist can do against it?

Why would anyone need to prove Gorgon wasn't using his telepathy? Nobody needs to prove a negative here.

Go on and post a scan of Gorgon using telepathy on Iron Fist and learning that Daredevil was about to kick him.

I'll wait.

No, he doesn't do that. He is a low level telepath who is not a move reader.

He didn't do that against Iron Fist. Case closed.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3660397-2276814-1.jpg

He literally says oh please.

How does Iron Fist knew he has telepathy? Why would Gorgon believe that was a lie? Why would Daredevil suddenly kicking him out of nowhere doesn't means a cheapshot?

You're strangling your own logic here with non existent proofs and nonsensical logic.

I've posted all the proof already. Why don't you post a proof of Gorgon using TP on Iron Fist in the first place?

Dareangel

Originally posted by deathslash
huh

Just because he has telepathy, that doesn't mean that he's always using it. Unless it's directly stated or shown on panel, he's not using it. Just because superman is capable of lifting planets, does that mean he's always hitting with planetary force? Thor's capable of blasting lightning that can harm celestials, does that mean that he's always shooting lightning that's that powerful? Spidey has taken out a legit low herald, does that mean that he's always hitting that hard or fast? Unless it's stated or at least implied on panel, you can't just assume that a character is using all their powers or operating at the same level. Hell, there are cases where wolverine takes multiple punches from the hulk and in the very next story arc, bullets put him down.

Gorgon was cheapshotted and whether he was hit from behind or the side, nothing changes that. Daredevil doesn't always hit with that sort of force and you know it. Hell, he's failed from time to time to beat weaker, slower, and less durable opponents *cough* bullseye*cough*.

Also, let's not pretend that we know for certain that he accomplished that on his own. For all we know, Luke Cage or spider-man could've given him a fastball special from off panel.

ohh i see you are the butt buddy of abhilegend as well. first the mutant guy, now him. is this some kind of buisness? like you get payed to support members in a debate? or are you just that butthurt with me proving you wrong time after time again.

are you seriously suggesting gorgon didnt want to use his powers for some reason? are you for real? yeah gorgon be like hmm..i used my powers vs wolverine alone and vs elektra. but now when half of marvel heroes are jumping my ass? nahh i wont use my powers. yeah sounds legit. anyway, in a more serious note. if you believe gorgon avoided from using his powers, then the burden of proof is on you. seriously thats just retarded. you are basically claiming characters dont use their powers and abilities, unless its stated on panel. when spiderman is just avoiding multiple hits and gunshots, he isnt using his spider sense unless it is stated. unless spiderman himself says "woohooo i am using my spider sense now". i understand you have comprehension issues and probably special needs. but here is a secret, writers believe that the people who read the comics, know about the character abilities. as i said, unless you can prove gorgon avoided using his powers on purpose, your point just doesnt make any sense like the rest of your posts.

superman and thor have a good reason to hold back. it is also stated by them that they are holding back to not destroy the planet. gorgon on the other hand is a bad guy, and he has no reason in hell not to use his powers to know what his opponent is about to do. thats like the dumbest comparison you could make. seriously at this point even abhilegends looks like a reasonable poster next to the toxic bullshit comming from your posts.

i see you also have the same comprehension issue as this abhi guy. my whole point is that daredevil packs enough hitting power to knock him out. same gorgon both wolverine and elektra struggled to take out. also i can easily debate it wasnt a cheap shot because with his powers gorgon can read minds and knew what daredevil is doing just like he fought both elektra and wolverine. but he simply couldnt react. what did i tell you about lowballing? i already pointed out the list of guys he defeated. and defeated bullseye more time than not. your trolling leads you nowhere. your whole argument is consisting of throwing BS. then back that BS by saying daredevil got beat up by bullseye during his entire 70+ years run. do you realize at this point how much of a joke poster you are? please realize that.

if you believe someone threw daredevil present the evidence. you dont get to make up things that never happened on pannel, and claim maybe they did. its dumb. i know dumb is not something new to you... but it is. now please, crawl away and let me continue my debate with this special needed guy called abhileged.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would anyone need to prove Gorgon wasn't using his telepathy? Nobody needs to prove a negative here.

Go on and post a scan of Gorgon using telepathy on Iron Fist and learning that Daredevil was about to kick him.

I'll wait.

No, he doesn't do that. He is a low level telepath who is not a move reader.

He didn't do that against Iron Fist. Case closed.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3660397-2276814-1.jpg

He literally says oh please.

How does Iron Fist knew he has telepathy? Why would Gorgon believe that was a lie? Why would Daredevil suddenly kicking him out of nowhere doesn't means a cheapshot?

You're strangling your own logic here with non existent proofs and nonsensical logic.

I've posted all the proof already. Why don't you post a proof of Gorgon using TP on Iron Fist in the first place?

you are wrong. gorgon has powers which he use. if you believe for some reason he simply wasnt using his powers, that burden of proof is on youe ass. handle that or drop the BS.

at this point i think you are just being a troll. during his fight vs elektra we find out he uses his telepathy to read his opponents moves and thats how he owned her and wolverine so easily. you trying to say he doesnt have those powers is simply lying. maybe you should bring a mod to rule about that? since you like to do it.

2 options. 1 they did their homework and prepared for gorgon. wolverine and elektra probably informed other heroes about gorgon. second option iron fist doesnt know and just trying to trick him so he wont see daredevil. gorgon reads his mind and knows he is lying.

as pointed out earlier. gorgon has powers. if you believe he avoided from using them present the evidence

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
you are wrong.

Well, nothing proves better than "You are wrong" line in start of an argument.

I said he didn't use his powers . Because he never did. Mind pointing where he used his powers on panel?

And that was stated. Here it was never stated that he specifically found out that Daredevil was going to kick him. Which you claimed and haven't brought any proof of such occurring in the comic.

I said he never used those powers to know about if Daredevil was going to kick him.

We can try a battlezone with judges to decide who is right if you want.

Proof of either of these please.

I have to bring proof that he didn't use the powers? Why do I have to prove a negative based on your unsubstantiated claims? Why don't you prove your claims first and ask me to bring the counter points.

Like in a proper debate.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, nothing proves better than "You are wrong" line in start of an argument.

I said he didn't use his powers . Because he never did. Mind pointing where he used his powers on panel?

And that was stated. Here it was never stated that he specifically found out that Daredevil was going to kick him. Which you claimed and haven't brought any proof of such occurring in the comic.

I said he never used those powers to know about if Daredevil was going to kick him.

We can try a battlezone with judges to decide who is right if you want.

Proof of either of these please.

I have to bring proof that he didn't use the powers? Why do I have to prove a negative based on your unsubstantiated claims? Why don't you prove your claims first and ask me to bring the counter points.

Like in a proper debate.

those are part of gorgons powers. at this point you are either trolling or just having 0 knowledge on the character.

again i dont need a character is using his powers when he got them. thats part of his powerset. its like you asking for a proof spiderman is using his spider sense in a fight. we all know he uses it all the time. gorgon was stated to use his powers in a fight. if you believe that in this fight for some reason he decided suddenly to not use his powers then the burden of proof is on you. this is not a projectile or energy based power, its something he is using during his fights and part of his abilities. it doesnt need a special art to show it. again, burden of proos is only on you.

it was stated during his fight vs elektra because gorgon was a new character and entroduced. however after that he became a mainstream character and the writer figured he doesnt have to explain every damn issue about gorgons powers. the writer didnt think or care that there are mentally challenged readers like you that has to be reminded every single time about the powers of a character. again, burder of proof is on you.

again, if you believe he didnt use his powers during that fight post the evidence or zip it.

i dont need to prove it, i only suggested simple logic. you will not drag me into proving something i dont need to prove. as pointed out, gorgon has his TP powers which he is using during fights to know his opponents moves. if you believe for some reason he didnt use his own powers in his fight vs iron fist and daredevil provide the evidence to that.

yes you have to bring a proof he didnt use his powers. those powers are part of his fighting. its like spiderman having spider sense and using them all the time even when its not stated. if someone comes and says spiderman didnt use his spider sense in a specific fight, i will ask for evidence because him using his powers is the base. same with gorgon. there is no reason for a character to not use his inherited powers unless there is a context to it. provide the context or gorgon did use his powers as he should.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
those are part of gorgons powers. at this point you are either trolling or just having 0 knowledge on the character.

But he never used those powers on Danny.

Even his spider-sense is stated to be working and spidey lets us know how he uses it.

Just like telepathy. You are just assuming Gorgon knew that Daredevil was about to attack him when the comic made no mention of it. That's not how comics work.

So it was stated against Elektra but not against Danny? Concession accepted.

Burden of proof on what? I don't have to prove a negative.

That's not how it works around here kid.

Of course you have to. That's not a logic. That's just you throwing a shit at wall and asking us to prove its negative.

He has his TP powers but where did he learn that Daredevil was about to kick him?

No, I don't. If you don't bring a proof about you claim in the next post, i'm going to accept your concession that you are a liar and a troll who does not has any proof of what he claims.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
But he never used those powers on Danny.

Even his spider-sense is stated to be working and spidey lets us know how he uses it.

Just like telepathy. You are just assuming Gorgon knew that Daredevil was about to attack him when the comic made no mention of it. That's not how comics work.

So it was stated against Elektra but not against Danny? Concession accepted.

Burden of proof on what? I don't have to prove a negative.

That's not how it works around here kid.

Of course you have to. That's not a logic. That's just you throwing a shit at wall and asking us to prove its negative.

He has his TP powers but where did he learn that Daredevil was about to kick him?

No, I don't. If you don't bring a proof about you claim in the next post, i'm going to accept your concession that you are a liar and a troll who does not has any proof of what he claims.

this is something you have to prove as i pointed out troll.

i am not assuming thats part of his powers. and no, it is not stated every single time when spiderman fights that he is using his spider sense. we just know he use the spider sense because we are aware thats part of his powers. again prove gorgon wasnt using his powers because once again thats just dumb. he is using his powers vs wolverine and vs elektra, but vs half of marvel universe he suddenly goes "hann i wont use my powers" Lol you jackass.

again it was stated vs elektra because at that point gorgon was a new character and his powers were explained. a character powers arent suppose to be exampled every freaking issue. in daredevil comics when ever he fights the writer doesnt need to state looky here matt is using radar senses or spidy with his spider senses.

it is how it works. post proof or GTFO of here.

as i stated gorgon has telepathic powers that allow him to read his opponents moves. if you believe for some reason he chose to not use his powers the burden of proof is on you.

you are a sad sad measerable troll. now go fetch me the things you have to fetch me or keep making further a fool out of yourself.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
this is something you have to prove as i pointed out troll.

I don't have to prove a negative. Learn how to debate and come back.

Spidey's spider-sense is autonomous of whether he wants to use it or not. Gorgon's telepathy isn't.

Yeah, asking a proof of Gorgon using his powers to learn if Daredevil was about to kick him is pretty reasonable as it was never shown or stated.

They are stated. You are just using random strawman logic and red herrings.

Proof of what exactly? You still have to prove Gorgon learned that Daredevil was about to kick him.

I'm asking proof of Gorgon learned about Daredevil's attacks. Where is the proof?

Concession accepted little troll. Go cry in the corner.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't have to prove a negative. Learn how to debate and come back.

Spidey's spider-sense is autonomous of whether he wants to use it or not. Gorgon's telepathy isn't.

Yeah, asking a proof of Gorgon using his powers to learn if Daredevil was about to kick him is pretty reasonable as it was never shown or stated.

They are stated. You are just using random strawman logic and red herrings.

Proof of what exactly? You still have to prove Gorgon learned that Daredevil was about to kick him.

I'm asking proof of Gorgon learned about Daredevil's attacks. Where is the proof?

Concession accepted little troll. Go cry in the corner.

this is something you have to prove as i pointed out troll.

i am not assuming thats part of his powers. and no, it is not stated every single time when spiderman fights that he is using his spider sense. we just know he use the spider sense because we are aware thats part of his powers. again prove gorgon wasnt using his powers because once again thats just dumb. he is using his powers vs wolverine and vs elektra, but vs half of marvel universe he suddenly goes "hann i wont use my powers" Lol you jackass.

again it was stated vs elektra because at that point gorgon was a new character and his powers were explained. a character powers arent suppose to be exampled every freaking issue. in daredevil comics when ever he fights the writer doesnt need to state looky here matt is using radar senses or spidy with his spider senses.

it is how it works. post proof or GTFO of here.

as i stated gorgon has telepathic powers that allow him to read his opponents moves. if you believe for some reason he chose to not use his powers the burden of proof is on you.

you are a sad sad measerable troll. now go fetch me the things you have to fetch me or keep making further a fool out of yourself.

abhilegend

So is this going to be "I will have the last word every other week"?

Originally posted by Dareangel
this is something you have to prove as i pointed out troll.

Is that it? Here I thought you had actually something.

Because Spider-sense is automatic. Gorgon's TP isn't.

So yes, you are assuming everything here.

So just repeating yourself like a parrot? Fine with me. It only makes you look like a fool.

That's not how it works kid.

You still haven't given any proof. I'm still waiting.

Concession accepted little troll.

Go home and cry.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
So is this going to be "I will have the last word every other week"?

Is that it? Here I thought you had actually something.

Because Spider-sense is automatic. Gorgon's TP isn't.

So yes, you are assuming everything here.

So just repeating yourself like a parrot? Fine with me. It only makes you look like a fool.

That's not how it works kid.

You still haven't given any proof. I'm still waiting.

Concession accepted little troll.

Go home and cry.

same thing could be asked towards you. why are you replying? i am just keeping the debate. its not much of a debate just trolling on your behalf but still. and sorry that i dont have too much free time on my hands. summer semester. no vacation for me from the academy.

again you have to do proving.

telepathy isnt? what the hell? it was explained he used it vs wolverine. but during his fight vs wolverine at first it was not stated. therefor we have clear evidence he is using his powers without it being stated. it was only stated with elektra to reveal the character and his powers. again, if yopu believe gorgon did not use his powers for some reason the burden of proof is on you.

of course i am repeating the things you did not address and answer.

proof of what? that gorgon has his powers? Lol. i am repeating. if you believe gorgon chose to not use his powers prove that.

ironic you are talking about crying while you report everything to the mods because once again i made you mad with tears. now now
roll eyes (sarcastic)

abhilegend

Originally posted by Dareangel
same thing could be asked towards you. why are you replying?

Not to give a little kid like you the last word.

Like I said, you are just a little kid who knows nothing.

That's not how it works kid. You need to show where Gorgon used his telepathy to know Daredevil was about to kick him.

Its a very special detail which you are avoiding.

Proof that Gorgon learnt anything from Danny. Simple as that.

This is just amusing to me kid. Once you hit puberty, you will know that too.

Dareangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to give a little kid like you the last word.

Like I said, you are just a little kid who knows nothing.

That's not how it works kid. You need to show where Gorgon used his telepathy to know Daredevil was about to kick him.

Its a very special detail which you are avoiding.

Proof that Gorgon learnt anything from Danny. Simple as that.

This is just amusing to me kid. Once you hit puberty, you will know that too.

just like i thought. last word syndrome Lol.

little kid that is owning your ass. how much of a success in life you feel if you are debating a kid on the internet?

as i pointed out thats part of his powers and when he used it vs wolverine it wasnt stated as well. but later revealed he used it. if you asume he didnt use his powers i am waiting for evidence.

learned from danny? wtf? again - gorgon has powers which he use during fight like mister x. thats how he fights and part of his fighting he is reading the moves thruought the telepathy. if you believe he canceled his powers and seperated them from his fighting, because they are combined, then prove it.

this is your idea of amusement? debating kids on the internet? amazing