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I thought insane Genis was some kind of cosmic level threat? For instance wiki says these about his insanity:

"After a string of irrational adventures, Genis destroys the universe at the behest of Entropy and Epiphany."

I know it's wiki so it might not be true, but if it is then Genis stomps.

The implication in the issue was that Eternity wanted to die, and essentially allowed Genis to destroy him.

Anywho, Genis wins. A better fight would be Guardian-amped Prime.

Would it?
Thought SBP with amps'd be too much.

As Surtur mentioned: Insane Genis is a cosmic-level being. Standard Prime isn't beating him.

A strong argument can be made for GA Prime, however, given his fight with Monarch and whatnot.

Originally posted by Surtur

For instance wiki says these about his insanity:

"After a string of irrational adventures, Genis destroys the universe at the behest of Entropy and Epiphany."
The Multiverse actually.

As Galan stated, The Multiverse (Eternity in this story) allowed himself to be bound, and destroyed.

Still though,

Genis had the power necessary to collapse all space-time (multiverse) regardless of Eternity's prerogative.

Which translates to:

Insane Genis at his height, possessed enough power to crush infinite universeS.

Yeah, pretty much.

Eternity may have willingly embraced his death, but the necessary power to kill him was still required. Admittedly, the implication is that it was a shared feat between he and Entropy to some degree.

As noted on the intro page:
http://i.imgur.com/N01GQhR.jpg
"THEY succeed..."

And then later in the issue:
http://i.imgur.com/7ZJV99k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EXvNyDZ.jpg

*Though Genis credited both he AND Entropy with "binding" Eternity, and himself alone with "crushing" Eternity, he also noted that they probably couldn't have succeeded if Eternity hadn't willingly submitted.

Even if it was a shared feat, though, it's still a MASSIVE display of power output.


Aside from that, Genis' Kree blaster(standard equipment for him) possessed enough power to 'kill' Entropy, and trigger a big bang -- a big bang he tanked, mind you:
http://i.imgur.com/bZbeBd9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pz2hDCN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UEUDgEL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wG9RY96.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TqsP7Wv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mebGuve.jpg

This is important because it would seem that his own power was used to bolster the blaster's power output:
http://i.imgur.com/CH21oFO.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, pretty much.

Eternity may have willingly embraced his death, but the necessary power to kill him was still required. Admittedly, the implication is that it was a shared feat between he and Entropy to some degree.

As noted on the intro page:
http://i.imgur.com/N01GQhR.jpg
"THEY succeed..."

And then later in the issue:
http://i.imgur.com/7ZJV99k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EXvNyDZ.jpg

*Though Genis credited both he AND Entropy with "binding" Eternity, and himself alone with "crushing" Eternity, he also noted that they probably couldn't have succeeded if Eternity hadn't willingly submitted.

Even if it was a shared feat, though, it's still a MASSIVE display of power output.


Aside from that, Genis' Kree blaster(standard equipment for him) possessed enough power to 'kill' Entropy, and trigger a big bang -- a big bang he tanked, mind you:
http://i.imgur.com/bZbeBd9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pz2hDCN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UEUDgEL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wG9RY96.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TqsP7Wv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mebGuve.jpg

This is important because it would seem that his own power was used to bolster the blaster's power output:
http://i.imgur.com/CH21oFO.jpg

Hey, question, Imperiex had the power to destroy the DCU, is dcu considered a multiverse?

^ OWAW started in 2001.

Hypertime(which STILL exists to this day) was established as a concept in 1999:
http://i.imgur.com/33yUx0c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0vlZb4D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PvC0fZx.jpg

In 2000, DC creation was referred to as a multiverse in a separate issue/title:
http://i.imgur.com/5NtmfTt.jpg


So yes, the DC actuality was an established multiverse by the time of OWAW.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ OWAW started in 2001.

Hypertime(which STILL exists to this day) was established as a concept in 1999:
http://i.imgur.com/33yUx0c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0vlZb4D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PvC0fZx.jpg

In 2000, DC creation was referred to as a multiverse in a separate issue/title:
http://i.imgur.com/5NtmfTt.jpg


So yes, the DC actuality was an established multiverse by the time of OWAW.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ OWAW started in 2001.

Hypertime(which STILL exists to this day) was established as a concept in 1999:
http://i.imgur.com/33yUx0c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0vlZb4D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PvC0fZx.jpg

In 2000, DC creation was referred to as a multiverse in a separate issue/title:
http://i.imgur.com/5NtmfTt.jpg


So yes, the DC actuality was an established multiverse by the time of OWAW.

In SUPERMAN FOREVER, Kismet referring to "all the universes."

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/MultiReality/th_SUPERMAN-FOREVER1-PG15.jpg

And outright stated about knowing the terrors of the multiverse.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/MultiReality/th_SUPERMAN-FOREVER1-PG16.jpg

This was midish(cover says June) 1998.

This is pretty good shit, cool.

Originally posted by Delta1938
In SUPERMAN FOREVER, Kismet referring to "all the universes."

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/MultiReality/th_SUPERMAN-FOREVER1-PG15.jpg

And outright stated about knowing the terrors of the multiverse.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Villains/Dominus/MultiReality/th_SUPERMAN-FOREVER1-PG16.jpg

This was midish(cover says June) 1998. Yepper.

There were quite a few references to a multiverse existing at the time, aside from the scenes I mentioned. As you pointed out, the Dominus arc has quite a few references by itself. The Emperor Joker arc(circa 2000) also mentions "all universeS" and such.

I just like mentioning Hypertime more than anything, because it is still canon to this very day.

DC tends to get a lot more cartoony that Marvel when you get into the cosmic-level stuff, IMO. It makes it hard to compare.
Lately, I remember Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor slugging it out, while basically being said to be cosmic-level threats. They were obviously much more powerful than Earth's heroes, but they didn't treat them as insignificantly as they really should based on the raw scale of the power levels attributed to them.
I mean at DC, Superboy starts ****ing with the structure of the multiverse by punching a wall too hard.
I find that it's best to stop comparing DC and Marvel characters beyond the Herald level, or maybe Trans.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
DC tends to get a lot more cartoony that Marvel when you get into the cosmic-level stuff, IMO. It makes it hard to compare.
Lately, I remember Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor slugging it out, while basically being said to be cosmic-level threats. They were obviously much more powerful than Earth's heroes, but they didn't treat them as insignificantly as they really should based on the raw scale of the power levels attributed to them. Apparently you missed the comic where Lifebringer "slugged it out" with Lord Chaos and Master Order? Or the comic where Odin headbutted Galactus? Or the comic where Eternity punched Pym?

Lol.

Marvel is by no means immune to this kind of silliness. I remember Galactus slugging it out with the Sphinx.
But it's more about the contradiction between the bad guys being able to blow up universes with their own power or whatnot, and still seeming to be somewhat vulnerable to regular Superheroes.
Again, Marvel is not immune to this, but I find DC to be significantly worse.

Yeah, they may be cheesy or lame. But they still fit into the general schema of things and make sense a lot more than DC's cosmic guys.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yepper.

There were quite a few references to a multiverse existing at the time, aside from the scenes I mentioned. As you pointed out, the Dominus arc has quite a few references by itself. The Emperor Joker arc(circa 2000) also mentions "all universeS" and such.

I just like mentioning Hypertime more than anything, because it is still canon to this very day.

The scene with Superboy and Supergirl talking to Satan playing the piano?

Originally posted by Delta1938
The scene with Superboy and Supergirl talking to Satan playing the piano? Nah, I was talking about this scene with Spectre:
http://i.imgur.com/Z5ntPCa.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, I was talking about this scene with Spectre:
http://i.imgur.com/Z5ntPCa.jpg

Ah, ok. Thanks!!

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
DC has 5th dimensional Imps (and sometimes 6th dimensional beings), Heaven and the Angels, Imperiex, Kismet, the Spectre, the Phantom Stranger, the Source, the Black Racer, the Endless.

They just don't fit.

Marvel's cosmics generally fit together into some kind of coherent scheme. There are retcons and contradictions at times, but by and large it works.
Yeah, this is pretty accurate, IMO.

has kismet ever interact with Vertigo's character like The Endless or Lucifer? This is interesting.

Not to my knowledge.

The Endless have obviously interacted with several characters from 'mainstream' DC over the years, though, so meeting with Kismet is something any of them *could* have done... It just never needed to happen.

Yeah, not that i'm aware.