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The Conserve And Protect ("CAP" Robot:
https://s32.postimg.org/o8uecc591/Fantastic_Four_555_022.jpg


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Hellbat:
https://s32.postimg.org/5rzzlipat/Batman_and_Robin_2011_033_006.jpg





*BONUS ROUND*
IF Hellbat wins, it is restored to full power and takes on Reed's Anti-Galactus Suit:
https://s32.postimg.org/tqdo9u25h/Fantastic_Four_557_006.jpg



-Fight takes place on Apokolips. How goes this?

Bump?

herbcry

What has Cap and the F4 Mechs accomplished?

CAP was built to track down, and defeat, the most powerful beings on the planet. Its best feat was stomping this team of heroes:
http://i.imgur.com/WblXmfX.jpg
*Note that Sentry was among the defeated.


As its name denotes: the Anti-Galactus Suit was built to combat/detour Galactus himself. The *strong* implication is that it was the only force on Marvel earth capable of stopping CAP(which it accomplished with one-shot, btw.)

Originally posted by Galan007
CAP was built to track down, and defeat, the most powerful beings on the planet. Its best feat was stomping this team of heroes:
http://i.imgur.com/WblXmfX.jpg
*Note that Sentry was among the defeated. So it's beyond omniversal? I don't see how anything can defeat that short of TOAA IMO




I have no real opinion here. I barely read anything these days so I don't know anything

You raise a good point... mmm

CAP wins.

Bruce burns out, anyway

I'm not fond of offpanel showings becomes to questionable.

If it is show him standing over bodies I would he won just my opinio .

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not fond of offpanel showings becomes to questionable. There were no extenuating circumstances or whathaveyou -- CAP legitimately beat the heroes outright. It was just that powerful. This was confirmed several times in the comics.

...That is one of the reasons why everyone was so awestruck by CAP's power, and opted to fight it with the Anti-Galactus Suit as a final resort.

Issues?

F4 #555-557.

Did Hellbat ever end up fighting Darkseid? I never finished the arc.

It did.

It lasted a bit, but Bruce was dying inside the suit. He just needed it to last until DS fired his beams, IIRC. IOW, it was specially prepped for him.

Hmm. Sounds circumstantial, but standing up to Darkseid is still pretty impressive. I guess it depends on how you'd rate Darkseid vs that team of Avengers that CAP defeated.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Hmm. Sounds circumstantial, but standing up to Darkseid is still pretty impressive. I guess it depends on how you'd rate Darkseid vs that team of Avengers that CAP defeated. it stood up to darkseid for a very, very brief amount of time. Batman was managing to move DS with his attacks, but they weren't hurting him. As a matter of fact, dark send casually ripped the back off of the armor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It did.

It lasted a bit, but Bruce was dying inside the suit. He just needed it to last until DS fired his beams, IIRC. IOW, it was specially prepped for him.

The purpose behind the HellBat was to combat major threats on a Darkseid Level. It wasn't specifically made for Darkseid it was made so Bruce doesn't die when he's on the front lines with the Justice League.

Originally posted by deathslash
it stood up to darkseid for a very, very brief amount of time. Batman was managing to move DS with his attacks, but they weren't hurting him. As a matter of fact, dark send casually ripped the back off of the armor.
No other member took as much h punishment from Darkseid as Batman did in the HellBat suit. He forefully moved Uxas with blast and was fast enough to react to Omega beams.

Originally posted by Galan007
There were no extenuating circumstances or whathaveyou -- CAP legitimately beat the heroes outright. It was just that powerful. This was confirmed several times in the comics.

...That is one of the reasons why everyone was so awestruck by CAP's power, and opted to fight it with the Anti-Galactus Suit as a final resort.

Based on what? Being above their bodies? How exactly did he combat them? Did he outright get physical or was he targeting weaknesses, mind control or erc.? I don't agree with offpanel showings because you don't know how exactly the fight was won. Unless you have scans of the actual fight, my stance stays the same on that.

I'm not going to break down the comics/appearances for you panel-by-panel. If you aren't familiar with CAP, then you probably shouldn't be discussing it in this thread.

It's honestly the perfect place since I'm wondering what his actual on panel feats were.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
No other member took as much h punishment from Darkseid as Batman did in the HellBat suit. He forefully moved Uxas with blast and was fast enough to react to Omega beams. pfft, hahahaha.
Superman took just as much damage from him. So did power girl, and val zod. Hell, bats was still getting stomped on and the wings were casually ripped off.

He moved DS with his own omega beam and as for "reacting to the omega beams", he was trying to make uxas use them. Pretty easy to react to something when you know that it's coming.

Originally posted by deathslash
pfft, hahahaha.
Superman took just as much damage from him. So did power girl, and val zod. Hell, bats was still getting stomped on and the wings were casually ripped off.

He moved DS with his own omega beam and as for "reacting to the omega beams", he was trying to make uxas use them. Pretty easy to react to something when you know that it's coming.

When did Superman take as much punishments. It's like a 3 to 4 hit difference from Superman to HellBat...

Minus Alan Scott, and Mobius the only person whose done pretty well against Darkseid on a single front was Batman

Superman was knocked out on an initial Omega Beam, and then Later got squeezed by Darkseid with the rest of the League helping to get him free. That's one hit per instance. Compared to 4 to 5 in the 1 HellBat encounter.

In Panel length The HellBat fight was about 6-8 Pages while the "Superman fight" if we can call it that was at most maybe 2 panels.
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-in-hellbat-armor-faces-off-with-darkseid/
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-in-hellbat-armor-vs-darkseid/
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-tricks-darkseid-into-using-the-omega-sanction/

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
When did Superman take as much punishments. It's like a 3 to 4 hit difference from Superman to HellBat...

Minus Alan Scott, and Mobius the only person whose done pretty well against Darkseid on a single front was Batman

Superman was knocked out on an initial Omega Beam, and then Later got squeezed by Darkseid with the rest of the League helping to get him free. That's one hit per instance. Compared to 4 to 5 in the 1 HellBat encounter.

In Panel length The HellBat fight was about 6-8 Pages while the "Superman fight" if we can call it that was at most maybe 2 panels.
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-in-hellbat-armor-faces-off-with-darkseid/
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-in-hellbat-armor-vs-darkseid/
https://comicnewbies.com/2014/12/31/batman-tricks-darkseid-into-using-the-omega-sanction/ power girl (Clarks weaker cousin) still had a better showing against DS. Also, let's do a play by play here. Batman starts off by punching him, gets backhanded away (which should imply that darkseid isn't going all out), tries to catch damian and the crystal, gets literally stomped on, surprises darkseid with his bat swarm, punches darkseid, punches him again as DS grabs him/injures him and just as darkseid is prepared to kill him, he absorbed the omega beams, shoots him, and flies away. Was it impressive? Sure, but it doesn't really say that he would beat the Cap suit.

Originally posted by deathslash
power girl (Clarks weaker cousin) still had a better showing against DS. Also, let's do a play by play here. Batman starts off by punching him, gets backhanded away (which should imply that darkseid isn't going all out), tries to catch damian and the crystal, gets literally stomped on, surprises darkseid with his bat swarm, punches darkseid, punches him again as DS grabs him/injures him and just as darkseid is prepared to kill him, he absorbed the omega beams, shoots him, and flies away. Was it impressive? Sure, but it doesn't really say that he would beat the Cap suit.

Again none of this makes sense.

Explain to me how Powergirl had a better showing cause she was able to fight DS on a group setting..?

The problem with offpanel showings is sure the writer can imply Squirrel Girl beat Thanos no problem. But how was it done? Without any actual showings in that regard we can't honestly suggest Squirrel Girl is stronger, more durable or faster then Thanks without actually seeing it on panel.

I'm OK with suggesting Cap beat the characters he did. But I'm not suggesting he's stronger then Sentry or faster then Sentry when I don't know how exactly he beat Sentry and the Others.

CAP lost to the galactus suit because cap was programmed not to attack reed richards.