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I know you make fun of Darth Bane, I dont know why, but lets not spend time on this.

Who do you think is a good match for Bane from the Prequel era? From TPM to ROTS with Expanded Universe ofcourse.

No trolling in this thread, only serious opinions guys.

Count Dooku.

Roughly on par with Kenobi as duelist, at his peak.

His Force Ability is weird so I'll break it down in section

Lightning. He's likely a couple notches below Galen in lightning.

TK. Maul level without a Nexus. Dooku with a nexus.

Not sure where he figures lol

As a 1v1 duelist he's tier 2

Top 5 Sith.

Jinn or below in sabers

Impossible to rank in the force due to nearly constantly being amped, inferior TK feats, and coming from a poor era of force users

Slightly above Vader in sabers and Force.

IMO, just by going of his performance in POD, he's above Vader level.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Slightly above Vader in sabers and Force. Originally posted by Ziggystardust
IMO, just by going of his performance in POD, he's above Vader level.

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Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
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He's slightly above ROTS Kenobi in sabers, slightly below Dooku with the Force.

His speed feat in the rain, surviving Zannah unarmed, freeing himself from Kaan's mental domination--a man who was able to amp his entire force with BM while menacing the opposing force and bringing scores under his thrall continuously--surviving the Sith spirits, dominating the holocron guardian's presence, and creating a holocron himself, as well as actually still being spoken of by the greatest Sith of the EU all give credence to his ability. Having mastered multiple lightsaber forms as well touts him up.

That's probably all I'm going to put into this, because just like the fanboys of Bane were over the top back in the day, the lowballers are out in force now and literally choose to ignore or downplay every single feat of his. By his actual displays and context he is one of the top five Sith in the mythos.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
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I will scalp you *****!

Originally posted by Petrus
He's slightly above ROTS Kenobi in sabers, slightly below Dooku with the Force.
:no1:

Originally posted by Ascendancy
His speed feat in the rain.

Yes impressive. There are better feats.



Because he made her think he had a Lightsaber, and she knew she'd get destroyed if she engaged him here?




Several notable, and superior force users, have noted that a continuous use of BM is utterly taxing. HIs powers by end of POD were distorted. One of the Sith saw him as skinny and tired, Githany saw through him, a couple others as well. Not really as amazeballs as people think.



He didn't dominate anything. As seen in Star Wars: Legacy, Anddedu needed a extremely strong Nexus to resist Wryylok, a healthy host to drain and his own body to reanimate,










Juyo, Soresu and Djem So, how unique.



Lowballer? You are truly ignorant of facts if you consider the vast majority here "lowballers" The two-three banites believe Bane is stronger than he truly is. The entire board, the board on CV, are finding it difficult to be impressed by this attempt at a movement.



I should stop expecting so much.

Bane good, he's just the weakest Banite Master. I'd say he loses to Dooku or Maul. He definitely can't take Vader.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bane good, he's just the weakest Banite Master. I'd say he loses to Dooku or Maul. He definitely can't take Vader.

My liege, once it's complete may i send you a link to something?

Yes, my child.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Count Dooku.

His knowledge of the force is tremendous and his lightning is comparable to Sheev's. So if he's being compared to Dooku on this thread, why does he lose every single versus battle? Banite scaling? Because if so, that logic is extremely flawed

People are highly biased against Bane due to a smear campaign and memes.

To me, he came off as around Vader level overall. He lacks in some areas where Vader excels (TK specifically), but excels in other things. So I'd say he's overall about equal to Vader.

It doesn't help that all his feats are on a nexus :/

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy


Lowballer? You are truly ignorant of facts if you consider the vast majority here "lowballers" The two-three banites believe Bane is stronger than he truly is. The entire board, the board on CV, are finding it difficult to be impressed by this attempt at a movement.

Yes, lowballers. I mean, it's not unique to Bane. There are other chars with high showings that people pretend are sub par in every way, it's just that Bane is one that gets the treatment more often. If Bane were some low tier nobody who got lucky in managing to purge the Sith and establish the Rule of Two then he wouldn't have continued to be mentioned in the later EU timeline, been noted as someone to emulate, etc.

Anyway, I said I wasn't going to argue further for a reason. The Bane trilogy has issues because of the lack of total detail in terms of feats; some of it has to be drawn from context and inference based on how things align with other parts of the Sith saga. There's really no point in having debates when one side continually resorts to, "if it's not literally spelled out, word for word, that this is the level of character X, then I refuse to admit that he/she is capable of this, that, or the other."

People lowball Bane then act like Caedus was the second coming of Palpatine. I'm done arguing it. No matter how many have presented rational arguments for Bane's ability there's a contingent that goes out of their way to pretend like there's no validity to any of it.

Yes, deceiving Zannah and avoiding her onslaught while unarmed shows great skill, period. And yes, having enough mastery of the Force to rediscover how to both assemble and bind the matrix of a holocron then infuse his spirit into it is noteworthy, not going to think otherwise no matter how much you want to scoff at it.

The biggest problem is this: almost all of what transpired is now part of Legends only, and it remains to be seen what if anything will be made of the Bane saga as canon material. The majority of what is could be wiped nearly in its entirety.

Stronger than all Sith before him but the weakest Banite Sith

Originally posted by Ascendancy
People lowball Bane then act like Caedus was the second coming of Palpatine.

Not anymore, kek. People shit on Jacen these days.

Originally posted by Ascendancy


Anyway, I said I wasn't going to argue further for a reason. The Bane trilogy has issues because of the lack of total detail in terms of feats; some of it has to be drawn from context and inference based on how things align with other parts of the Sith saga. There's really no point in having debates when one side continually resorts to, "if it's not literally spelled out, word for word, that this is the level of character X, then I refuse to admit that he/she is capable of this, that, or the other."

There are assumptions which are easier to take in than others. People will refuse to believe Bane is capable of X because he did X because he never achieves that sort of power later on. It's not anyone's fault. People go by the information presented, compare Bane to other characters and come back to reality.

Simply put, one side is to stubborn to concede Banes inferiority due to an unhealthy obsession with the character or otherwise, the other is adamant in their belief until there's irrefutable that Bane is as good as they say.



Not really, Banes position is at it's best tbh. People with ludicrous opinions withou ltl evidence will be dismissed.



No it doesn't. He knew he couldn't fight her in the current state he was in, so opted to manipulate her into thinking he was arm. It shows a resourceful side of Bane, not skill.



What a peculiar train of thought, naive, but peculiar. Still, you'll come to understand in time, if not then you'll remain in the mud with the other toads

Bane briefly tricked Zannah, but then she did attack him and he managed to survive the decently long engagement.

For someone so adamantly and condescendingly arguing against Bane you seem to have a poor grasp on the source material.

DMB, your opinion on Bane's standing?

Genuinely never asked who you think he's comparable to.

Oh I understand how it went. It was little more than short spat, nothing notable enough to call it impressive, decent, and it certainly isn't enough to call it an excellent showing of skill.

It's not a bad feat, although the scene was pretty cringeworthy for Zannah. Not because she failed to kill Bane, but because Drew partially attributed it to her inability to produce an adequate offensive as a Form III specialist, which is beyond retarded when you're considering someone who is supposed to be an extremely skilled duelist.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Roughly on par with Kenobi as duelist, at his peak.I balked. uhuhOriginally posted by |King Joker|
Slightly above Vader in sabers and Force. Stawp.

Around Kenobi. He's not Vader level.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I balked. uhuhStawp.

Roughly meaning like Kit tier tbh

What?

Bane would godstomp Fisto.

In a pure duel? Nah.

Bane absolutely would curb Fisto in a duel, especially given the latter's choice of form.

What do you guys make of Banes comment in RO2 where he says he either reached Nadds level or surpassed it?

I assume the Fisto comparison is in terms of skill honies, for which he is forgiven.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
By his actual displays and context he is one of the top five Sith in the mythos.

He's Dooku+ in terms of Force, but not quite Vader tier. In terms of dueling, roughly between Maul and Dooku.

Originally posted by The Merchant
What do you guys make of Banes comment in RO2 where he says he either reached Nadds level or surpassed it?

Well for one thing, he doesn't actually know how strong Nadd was, he was guessing. He could be overestimating him, or underestimating him; it's unreliable either way.

Secondly, he doesn't imply at all that he surpassed Nadd, he was just frustrated that he couldn't craft a holocron despite believing himself to be comparable to other Sith that have successfully done so.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Bane absolutely would curb Fisto in a duel, especially given the latter's choice of form.

He has no feats of beating anyone of Fistos caliber

Bane es Vader level.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I assume the Fisto comparison is in terms of skill honies, for which he is forgiven.
Yeah actually. He would be able to beat GG, is one of the best in the history of the Sith, and would block a couple of Palpatine/Yodas attacks before dying. Make sense, Anticus?

I honestly don't see Bane performing as well as Maul did against Sheev even despite the fact that Sheev was playing, nor do I see Bane doing anything remotely close to what Dooku did on Vjun if he(Bane) was amped if I'm honest.

@muser. Hablas espanol?

Lol.

Yoda and Sheev would obliterate Bane in any setting yah.