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I had some more thoughts on Kylo Ren's redemption; As we know Rey in episode 8 is supposed to be taking a deeper walk into the dark side and Kylo Ren is struggling with the light as he mentioned to his grandfather/Vader in Episode 7. I thought of some possibilities of Ben being redeemed. For one, he could come to the light at the last second of whatever may happen to him whether he is dead or alive. Second, he could come to the light in order to save Rey out of the dark side he could put his life on the line for her as Vader did with Luke when he was being shocked up by Palpatine. Third Rey could put her life in front of Kylo Ren's to save his life and this allows him to come to the light. Fourth, he could get into a fight with Rey and Rey either knocks him to an inch of his life or kills him and he comes to the light in that fashion. Fifth, Kylo Ren defeats Rey either injuring her or killing her and comes to his senses that things have come to far and he comes to the light in that fashion. What are some of your thoughts about Kylo Ren being redeemed?

I don't want him to be redeemed; that's too boring.

Kylo shouldn't be redeemed, him killing his father only reinforces that he's gone to far.

He will be REDEEMED and Him and Rey will hook up and make little Force babies.

Enter trilogy no. 4.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Kylo shouldn't be redeemed, him killing his father only reinforces that he's gone to far.

...did you forget that episode where vader killed a room full of children and then went off to choke his pregnant wife out?
it's okay if you did, i'm trying to forget it as well.

Originally posted by queeq
Enter trilogy no. 4.

With Disney involved I think the "trilogy" concept has been tossed right out the window.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...did you forget that episode where vader killed a room full of children and then went off to choke his pregnant wife out?
it's okay if you did, i'm trying to forget it as well. It was so dark and epic. And so cool.

There wasn't anything exactly wrong with it either....it was simple and to the point. In fact, of all the same redundant criticisms GL receives on a daily basis (I think for like 17 years now, and yes, some are legit) the entire order 66 montage was one of the best sequences out of all 7 films.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It was so dark and epic. And so cool.

And dense.

If he is the inverse of Luke Skywalker then absolutely not. He should state dark side to the end unlike that flip flopper, Anakin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If he is the inverse of Luke Skywalker then absolutely not. He should state dark side to the end unlike that flip flopper, Anakin. Weak... he was weak... you're strong. Crush him.

Kylo's worshipping that "weakling." Begging his corpse for help


The creators of TFA basically accepted they couldn't make a villain as Epic as Vader, so chose to have their villain worshiping him instead. Kind of a smart move in a way.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kylo's worshipping that "weakling." Begging his corpse for help


The creators of TFA basically accepted they couldn't make a villain as Epic as Vader, so chose to have their villain worshiping him instead. Kind of a smart move in a way. In the end Vader was weak. He looked up to what Vader was like prior to his epic fall. Kylo shouldn't make the same mistakes as Vader. Vader in the end was a cripple who wasn't even mentally strong enough to finish what he started. Kylo has to take up the mantle. Kylo in one film has already surpassed him in evil. Long live the First Order.

oh please. vader choking preggers-padme and killing babies is way worse than kylo euthanizing his geriatric dad.

Kylo's already conflicted. We saw that throughout the film. The reason he killed his Dad was to prove to himself that he's completely turned, but he's just lying to himself.

He's still not embraced the dark side to the extent Vader did, so of course he's still redeemable. In fact I would prefer it if they redeemed him. Would make him a far more compelling character IMO.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
oh please. vader choking preggers-padme and killing babies is way worse than kylo euthanizing his geriatric dad. Iyo which is irrelevant to the personal connection both had with their own family members. Vader killed Jedi but he was unable to give his son over to the emperor. Kylo also killed the Jedi he trained with under Luke so I have you both ways. Kylo is definitively more evil and faithful to the dark side than Anakin ever was.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kylo's already conflicted. We saw that throughout the film. The reason he killed his Dad was to prove to himself that he's completely turned, but he's just lying to himself.

He's still not embraced the dark side to the extent Vader did, so of course he's still redeemable. In fact I would prefer it if they redeemed him. Would make him a far more compelling character IMO. You are so damn weak you really make me sick. You want him to redeem himself similarly to how Vader lost his balls. So essentially you didn't like Vader but more so Anakin. Disgusting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iyo which is irrelevant to the personal connection both had with their own family members. Vader killed Jedi but he was unable to give his son over to the emperor. Kylo also killed the Jedi he trained with under Luke so I have you both ways. Kylo is definitively more evil and faithful to the dark side than Anakin ever was.

but vader DID give his son over to the emperor. not to mention cutting his hand off.

kylo came off as remorseful and confliced throughout the whole film and even after killing solo. vader in ep4 was an off-the-leash mad dog with no remorse at all.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but vader DID give his son over to the emperor. not to mention cutting his hand off.

kylo came off as remorseful and confliced throughout the whole film and even after killing solo. vader in ep4 was an off-the-leash mad dog with no remorse at all. There was good in him and he chose to kill the emperor over his son. He came back in the end.

Kylo wasn't delusional like Vader who was in denial. Ben admitted it was difficult but that didn't stop him from killing that worthless bastard, Han Solo. Kylo isn't a traitor like Vader turned out to be in the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There was good in him and he chose to kill the emperors over his son. He came back to the light.

Kylo wasn't delusional like Vader who was in denial. Ben admitted it was wrong but that didn't stop him from killing that worthless bastard, Han Solo. Kylo isn't a traitor like Vader turned out to be in the end.

vader wasnt in denial. everyone thought that it was impossible to turn back from the dark side, from yoda to palapatine. it wasn't until RotJ that vader made that apparent.

also, vader had selfish motives for keeping luke alive. vader planned on making luke his sith apprentice and betraying the emperor. he said so.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
vader wasnt in denial. everyone thought that it was impossible to turn back from the dark side, from yoda to palapatine. it wasn't until RotJ that vader made that apparent.

also, vader had selfish motives for keeping luke alive. vader planned on making luke his sith apprentice and betraying the emperor. he said so. In Rotj Vader said to Luke, "There is no conflict." Even in the movie you referred he was in denial. Luke felt it and Vader conceded he was right about him.

At the end he did so in a self sacrificial manner. He ended up dying and went back to his Jedi persona as the force ghost. He was weak in the end. Kylo was strong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In Rotj Vader said to Luke, "There is no conflict." Even in the movie you referred he was in denial. Luke felt it and Vader conceded he was right about him.

At the end he did so in a self sacrificial manner. He ended up dying and went back to his Jedi persona as the force ghost. He was weak in the end. Kylo was strong.

at the time, luke was the equivalent of a tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorist for even suggesting that a sith could be redeemed. yoda and ben were both like "lol no gtfo" when luke suggested the possibility.

at the moment he attacked palpatine, he was no longer a sith. so therefore vader never betrayed the emperor. vader was destroyed by anakin and anakin killed the emperor.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
at the time, luke was the equivalent of a tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorist for even suggesting that a sith could be redeemed. yoda and ben were both like "lol no gtfo" when luke suggested the possibility.

at the moment he attacked palpatine, he was no longer a sith. so therefore vader never betrayed the emperor. vader was destroyed by anakin and anakin killed the emperor. So in the end Luke was right about Vader who was delusional.

Symbolically but the point is simple. Kylo has stated the to his dark side ideals whereas Anakin abandoned them. Kylo is more evil since you even admit Anakin destroyed Vader. The same can't be said for Ben Solo who resisted the pull the of the light.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So in the end Luke was right about Vader who was delusional.

Symbolically but the point is simple. Kylo has stated the to his dark side ideals whereas Anakin abandoned them. Kylo is more evil since you even admit Anakin destroyed Vader. The same can't be said for Ben Solo who resisted the pull the of the light.

you can't be delusional over something if you have no knowledge of it in the first place.

my point was that the reason ben knew it was possible to turn away from the dark side was because of vader. in the novelization dialogue, this is touched on more. vader had no prior knowledge that this was possible, nor did anyone. that's not denial, that's just widespread ignorance since nobody ever saw it happen. so vader was blindsided whereas kylo had a historical reference: vader.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you can't be delusional over something if you have no knowledge of it in the first place.

my point was that the reason ben knew it was possible to turn away from the dark side was because of vader. in the novelization dialogue, this is touched on more. vader had no prior knowledge that this was possible, nor did anyone. that's not denial, that's just widespread ignorance since nobody ever saw it happen. so vader was blindsided whereas kylo had a historical reference: vader. Luke sensed the conflict which was taking place Vader was too delusional to acknowledge it. It's all in the film.

Ben might have Vader as an historical reference but he had to deal with his own feelings just as Anakin had to deal with his own. Vader was a confused dolt to the bitter end. He flip flopped a few times and it's only fitting he was ignorant to his own inner conflict even his own damn son senses that he didn't. Luke sensed it would happen so you saying no one saw it coming is false. Vader even concedes you were right as he dies.

A delusion is a false belief that is based on an incorrect interpretation of reality. A person with delusional disorder will firmly hold on to a false belief despite clear evidence to the contrary. The definition fits Vader to a T.

Originally posted by quanchi112
despite clear evidence to the contrary

there was no evidence to the contrary before vader. he was the only evidence.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there was no evidence to the contrary before vader. he was the only evidence. Luke sensed the conflict Vader didn't. It was there hence why Luke could sense it. Vader was delusional about it. That's my point. Kylo recognized his own personal conflict and overcame it whereas Vader didn't and thus fell victim to it in the moment. Delusional was Vader to a T.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke sensed the conflict Vader didn't. It was there hence why Luke could sense it. Vader was delusional about it. That's my point. Kylo recognized his own personal conflict and overcame it whereas Vader didn't and thus fell victim to it in the moment. Delusional was Vader to a T.

you're still misusing 'delusional'. there was no prior evidence that it was possible. there's no way around that. luke was the one who was loosely accused of being delusional, by yoda/ben as well as vader/palpatine.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you're still misusing 'delusional'. there was no prior evidence that it was possible. there's no way around that. luke was the one who was loosely accused of being delusional, by yoda/ben as well as vader/palpatine. So wait you are saying there is no prior evidence a person can change their mind ? It doesn't matter if Luke was right or not he sense the inner conflict which was taking place. Vader chose to ignore it. It was taking place. Acting like someone can't change their mind is really ridiculous. The conflict was real and Luke sensed what was occurring. Vader is undeniably weak as you yourself have theorized since he's the only documented Sith flip flopper in history.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So wait you are saying there is no prior evidence a person can change their mind ? It doesn't matter if Luke was right or not he sense the inner conflict which was taking place. Vader chose to ignore it. It was taking place. Acting like someone can't change their mind is really ridiculous. The conflict was real and Luke sensed what was occurring. Vader is undeniably weak as you yourself have theorized since he's the only documented Sith flip flopper in history.

i'm saying that there was no prior knowledge that there was a way back from the dark side. luke's intuition and wishful speculation does not count as prior knowledge.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i'm saying that there was no prior knowledge that there was a way back from the dark side. luke's intuition and wishful speculation does not count as prior knowledge. Luke used the force to sense his inner conflict just as Vader used the force to find out about his sister. Vader then lied saying there was no conflict to later conceding To the fact Luke was right. It's in the film and Anakin concedes.


You mean no prior documentation. There's always a possibility of someone changing however unlikely. Luke was more wise than Yoda, Kenobi, and Vader combined. Not surprising when you factor in the stupid decisions from all three in the history of Star Wars that these dopes were wrong here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke used the force to sense his inner conflict just as Vader used the force to find out about his sister. Vader then lied saying there was no conflict to later conceding To the fact Luke was right. It's in the film and Anakin concedes.


You mean no prior documentation. There's always a possibility of someone changing however unlikely. Luke was more wise than Yoda, Kenobi, and Vader combined. Not surprising when you factor in the stupid decisions from all three in the history of Star Wars that these dopes were wrong here.

of course luke was right. however it was speculation and not provable to anyone, and all prior evidence contradicted it. That does not mean that ben and yoda were delusional. biased and close-minded to the possibility, perhaps. but 'delusional' simply does not apply here.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
of course luke was right. however it was speculation and not provable to anyone, and all prior evidence contradicted it. That does not mean that ben and yoda were delusional. biased and close-minded to the possibility, perhaps. but 'delusional' simply does not apply here. Luke used the force to sense the conflict. Do you not realize force users can do that ? Delusional applied to Vader since he was experiencing the conflict but the other two were simply wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke used the force to sense the conflict. Do you not realize force users can do that ? Delusional applied to Vader since he was experiencing the conflict but the other two were simply wrong.

it's not clear whether vader was conscious of his conflict at all.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it's not clear whether vader was conscious of his conflict at all. He was delusional about accepting it but Luke sensed it because it was occurring. Vader later conceded and his actions proved he was indeed having a conflict. Do you think Luke's dialogue to Vader was to lie to the audience ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was delusional about accepting it but Luke sensed it because it was occurring. Vader later conceded and his actions proved he was indeed having a conflict. Do you think Luke's dialogue to Vader was to lie to the audience ?

luke believed it could happen but that didn't mean that he knew for sure. what tension would there have been if we all knew that vader was gonna turn good again? RotJ would have sucked even without the ewoks.

Kylo worshipped Vader for a reason.

Because Vader was above and beyond what Kylo can even hope to be.

Kylo will work much better as a redeemed Jedi. We've not seen that before in the SW films (Vader was a last minute thing), so it could be interesting, and it would also mean Han didn't give his life in vein.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
luke believed it could happen but that didn't mean that he knew for sure. what tension would there have been if we all knew that vader was gonna turn good again? RotJ would have sucked even without the ewoks. Luke sensed the conflict that was happening. Vader denied it was happening which is being delusional.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kylo worshipped Vader for a reason.

Because Vader was above and beyond what Kylo can even hope to be.

Kylo will work much better as a redeemed Jedi. We've not seen that before in the SW films (Vader was a last minute thing), so it could be interesting, and it would also mean Han didn't give his life in vein. Vader ceased being Vader in the end. He returned to the light and as Anakin. Your do gooder mentality is sickening. You loved Vader turning from the darkness for the light. He died a weak traitor. You want Kylo to also become a traitor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your do gooder mentality is sickening. You loved Vader turning from the darkness for the light. He died a weak traitor. You want Kylo to also become a traitor. You will kill. You will kill, or you will die!

At least Vader never had a snot nosed cry baby moment .

Kylo worshipped Vader.

He's trying to be Vader so hard, he should stop embarrassing himself and just turn back to the lightside, be a redeemed Jedi, something original in the series.

Okay, I'll tell him that next time I see him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader ceased being Vader in the end. He returned to the light and as Anakin. Your do gooder mentality is sickening. You loved Vader turning from the darkness for the light. He died a weak traitor. You want Kylo to also become a traitor.

you do realize that the whole good/bad multiple personality thing applies to kylo as well, regardless of him not having an evil name. so in the end, good kylo will destroy evil kylo. what will you do then?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you do realize that the whole good/bad multiple personality thing applies to kylo as well, regardless of him not having an evil name. so in the end, good kylo will destroy evil kylo. what will you do then? If that happens he will disgrace himself. It definitely is a possibility but I do hope they should not go down that road.

Kylo killing his own father surpassing Vader in evil was masterful. Kylo Ren is his evil persona while he regrets Ben Solo just as Vader rejected Anakin Skywalker until Luke brought him back.

i think they're gonna do a flip-reverse and by the end of ep8 it will be good kylo and evil rey. i also believe that rey will turn out to be an especially powerful dark lord...just intuition really, because where's the tension if she's just a female version of kylo with equal or lesser power. so if i were you, rey would be the pony i'd bet on.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i think they're gonna do a flip-reverse and by the end of ep8 it will be good kylo and evil rey.


That would be cool. And I would applaud them for having the balls to do it.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i think they're gonna do a flip-reverse and by the end of ep8 it will be good kylo and evil rey. i also believe that rey will turn out to be an especially powerful dark lord...just intuition really, because where's the tension if she's just a female version of kylo with equal or lesser power. so if i were you, rey would be the pony i'd bet on. Rey is repulsive to me. If Kylo disappoints me and does the d. Thor do gooder thing he will be weak. D. Thor hates bad guys and really didn't really even like Vader. He loved Anakin.

why do you find rey repulsive? also, shouldn't a proper sith be at least a little bit repulsive?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why do you find rey repulsive? also, shouldn't a proper sith be at least a little bit repulsive? She is a silly character and is a female.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She is a silly character and is a female.

oy vey!

Sexist shit.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sexist shit. I do not like female characters because unlike yourself and Robtard I can't identify with them. I don't piss sitting down like you two.

Jesus, you're a f*cking scumbag.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Jesus, you're a f*cking scumbag. D. Thor is the worst. I agree.

Okay peeps... pipe down on the verbal aggression.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren-han-solo-death/

As I have said previously he needs to be the inverse of Luke unable to turn to the light in the end.

i'm not against either outcome

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i'm not against either outcome I have always leaned heavily towards the dark side it would be a huge disappointment if he lost his way. Stay in the darkness, Kylo.

rey would be a better bad guy. as a noob she already whooped kylo's butt.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
rey would be a better bad guy. as a noob she already whooped kylo's butt. I feel like she's already had repressed training but either way Ren had two injuries prior to their fight. He also ko'd her. It would be different if they both switched sides but it'd also be stupid. Snoke completes his training while Luke completes hers and they'd swap sides.

"She is strong with the Force! Untrained, but stronger than she knows!" - Kylo Ren

She was also abandoned as a very young child.

Why paying attention in a film is important.

Originally posted by Robtard
"She is strong with the Force! Untrained, but stronger than she knows!" - Kylo Ren

She was also abandoned as a very young child.

Why paying attention in a film is important. There are parts of her life shrouded in mystery. It's also like seeing the ESB and saying hey wait Yoda was supposed to be Kenobi's master so why was it Qui ? Oh Roberta why am I not shocked at your gullibility. We don't know all the details of her life until trilogy has concluded.

According to Robtard Kylo knows all the details of Rey's life.

kylo did seem to know more about rey then he was letting on.

I like how quanchi now shits all over Kylo, so easily swayed.

She was abandoned on Jakku at a very young age as shown to us, so her training (if any) as a youngling would have been minor. But hey, let's pretend she had Jedi Knight level training because she wiped the floor with Kylo's face and not because she just happens to be seemingly more powerful in the Force than he is.

Originally posted by Robtard
I like how quanchi now shits all over Kylo, so easily swayed.

She was abandoned on Jakku at a very young age as shown to us, so her training (if any) as a youngling would have been minor. But hey, let's pretend she had Jedi Knight level training because she wiped the floor with Kylo's face and not because she just happens to be seemingly more powerful in the Force than he is. So now you already conceded she may have had training. It's so easy for you to retreat from your original position. Kylo was wounded twice, took it easy on her and tried to persuade her into letting him teach her, and then she overcame him. I simply go with the facts. Kylo isn't all knowing nor did I claim he was. That was your hideously knee jerkish reaction to this thread. Kylo's training was also incomplete.

#runrobbierun

And the flip-flop back. Oh my.

Some people just can't stand when one of their favorites gets beaten by a more powerful opponent, especially by a girl.

Originally posted by Robtard
And the flip-flop back. Oh my.

Some people just can't stand when one of their favorites gets beaten by a more powerful opponent, especially by a girl. What did I flip flop about ? I explained to you the context. You said if she had training implying it's a possibility I earlier posted about. You ignoring Kylo's injuries while claiming he's all knowing means you obviously didn't see the film. Had he been all knowing he would have secured the droid. Next time watch the film with a friend. Maybe they will explain what's going on.

TIL: Making an absolute statement of fact (ie she's had training) is actually just implying that something might have happened

#flipflops

Originally posted by quanchi112
I feel like she's already had repressed training but either way Ren had two injuries prior to their fight. He also ko'd her. It would be different if they both switched sides but it'd also be stupid. Snoke completes his training while Luke completes hers and they'd swap sides. Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: Making an absolute statement of fact (ie she's had training) is actually just implying that something might have happened

#flipflops I am speculating. That should be obvious but your name also has tard in it so I shouldn't assume anything with you. I also speculate she is Luke's daughter. Now that isn't saying I'm declaring my guesses as facts. You always need rather obvious things pointed out to you.



#earthtorobbiemypositionhasnotchanged

Going full circle: And it looks like Kylo disagrees with the flip-flopper

"She is strong with the Force! Untrained, but stronger than she knows!" - Kylo Ren

Originally posted by Robtard
Going full circle: And it looks like Kylo disagrees with the flip-flopper

"She is strong with the Force! Untrained, but stronger than she knows!" - Kylo Ren So you believe this makes him aware of everything that has gone on in her life.

She used the force so he was able to discern she is powerful but there is every day of her life until he met her he isn't aware of. So you're saying he learned everything about her life in that short time ?

Oh Robbie what you say makes no damn sense at all.

#whydoyoucravehumiliation

And the expected strawman bashing argument to nicely round it out.

Originally posted by Robtard
And the expected strawman bashing argument to nicely round it out. You claimed Kylo was an expert or a Rey historian in this short time. Was he able to break her with the force ? Did he learn everything about her ?

#robbielosesoncemore

Can you two just f*ck already and get it over with?

Originally posted by Robtard
"She is strong with the Force! Untrained, but stronger than she knows!" - Kylo Ren This statement was corroborated in the comic book adaption as well:
http://i.imgur.com/vvY6JSR.jpg
(Yes, it is canon.)

Originally posted by Galan007
This statement was corroborated in the comic book adaption as well:
http://i.imgur.com/vvY6JSR.jpg
(Yes, it is canon.) Who said he didn't say it ? Why would the scene need to be corroborated in a comic book ?

Is Kylo all knowing ? Nah, quit being silly.

Originally posted by Galan007
This statement was corroborated in the comic book adaption as well:
http://i.imgur.com/vvY6JSR.jpg
(Yes, it is canon.)



And comic-tie-in Kylo also disagrees with quanchi.

expect a strawman rebuttal, it's all he has left

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Can you two just f*ck already and get it over with?


Hmmm... I don't have sex with other men; I don't care how submissive they are

Originally posted by Robtard
I like how quanchi now shits all over Kylo, so easily swayed.

She was abandoned on Jakku at a very young age as shown to us, so her training (if any) as a youngling would have been minor. But hey, let's pretend she had Jedi Knight level training because she wiped the floor with Kylo's face and not because she just happens to be seemingly more powerful in the Force than he is. Originally posted by Robtard


And comic-tie-in Kylo also disagrees with quanchi.

expect a strawman rebuttal, it's all he has left Rob flip flopping once again. Oh it's very sad to see.

Ps. When did I claim she had Jedi level knight training ?

Didn't I point out the flippy-floppity on last page. Dodged the strawman and went for the ole trusty "No, you!" retort

Anyhow, enough trolling derailing for the thread. While I wouldn't be surprised if Kylo is written to go down the redemption path just like Vader, I hope he doesn't, we already have Vader; we don't need Kylo (Vader's #1 Fanboy) to actually follow down the same path. Do something new and exciting, I say.

Originally posted by Robtard
Didn't I point out the flippy-floppity on last page. Dodged the strawman and went for the ole trusty "No, you!" retort

Anyhow, enough trolling derailing for the thread. While I wouldn't be surprised if Kylo is written to go down the redemption path just like Vader, I hope he doesn't, we already have Vader; we don't need Kylo (Vader's #1 Fanboy) to actually follow down the same path. Do something new and exciting, I say. Originally posted by quanchi112
I feel like she's already had repressed training but either way Ren had two injuries prior to their fight. He also ko'd her. It would be different if they both switched sides but it'd also be stupid. Snoke completes his training while Luke completes hers and they'd swap sides. Originally posted by Robtard
I like how quanchi now shits all over Kylo, so easily swayed.

She was abandoned on Jakku at a very young age as shown to us, so her training (if any) as a youngling would have been minor. But hey, let's pretend she had Jedi Knight level training because she wiped the floor with Kylo's face and not because she just happens to be seemingly more powerful in the Force than he is.

^^The flip was here by Robbie.

I've already stated Kylo shouldn't turn so no surprise Robtard waits to agree with me. He is such a copy cat these days. Waited until I gave my opinion to later try to ape it.

#ialwayswin

I think kylo knew who she was and maybe knew she was on jakku. Was odd how he ramped up his tantrum tenfold when the officer mentioned "a girl" had escaped.

No way hes getting redeemed, He murdered his Father. Hes done

Anakin butchered children and gave the thumbs up for Alderaan. That's like killing TWO Hans right there and he got a redemption.

Yup.

Don't forget the Sand People!!!

He murdered a bunch of those f*ckers.

I think by the end of the trilogy he'll be redeemed. I could see him and Rey fighting Snoke together in episode 9. Or maybe he'll just overthrow Snoke and become the main bad guy. Who knows

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Don't forget the Sand People!!!

He murdered a bunch of those f*ckers.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Anakin butchered children and gave the thumbs up for Alderaan. That's like killing TWO Hans right there and he got a redemption. What Ben did to his father is worse than what Anakin did to his pov.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Don't forget the Sand People!!! *not real people

Originally posted by quanchi112
What Ben did to his father is worse than what Anakin did to his pov. Well from my pov he has the lava ground.