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Anti-Monitor when he first appeared in Darkseid War.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/AM_zps2k8u0sva.jpg

vs

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/LG_zpsndaepvv3.jpg

I give it to Lifebringer Galactus. But yo that pic of AM, Metron and DS looks awesome

Lifebringer made universal abstracts look like weak feebs. On the flip side, AM was packing the power of entire universeS.

Not sure. mmm

Chaos and Order are no universal abstracts.

They are universal abstracts, but that's just a title/role. In Marvel, title/role isn't necessarily indicative of abstract-level power, however.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lifebringer made universal abstracts look like weak feebs. On the flip side, AM was packing the power of entire universeS.

Not sure. mmm

I don't think that Grail's words are meant to be taken literally. When actually explained, AM is stated to have simply absorbed the power of Earth 3 and this falls in line with what is shown in my opinion.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/87f54316b7b0b9f18ae6ffeecb11144d/tumblr_nnkzvznUIX1rr8dpjo4_1280.jpg

I say LB Galactus wins convincingly.

Originally posted by Galan007
They are universal abstracts, but that's just a title/role. In Marvel, title/role isn't necessarily indicative of abstract-level power, however.
They are entirely featless.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't think that Grail's words are meant to be taken literally. When actually explained, AM is stated to have simply absorbed the power of Earth 3 and this falls in line with what is shown in my opinion.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/87f54316b7b0b9f18ae6ffeecb11144d/tumblr_nnkzvznUIX1rr8dpjo4_1280.jpg

I say LB Galactus wins convincingly.


Again with your bullshit?

Originally posted by abhilegend
They are entirely featless.



Theyre freaking Chaos and Order, theyre Abstracts, do they have to bench the earth for 5 days and an hourto have a battlefeat? They are the embodiments of that Universes chaos and order. That makes them a universal level abstract.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Theyre freaking Chaos and Order, theyre Abstracts, do they have to bench the earth for 5 days and an hourto have a battlefeat? They are the embodiments of that Universes chaos and order. That makes them a universal level abstract.
facepalm

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't think that Grail's words are meant to be taken literally. When actually explained, AM is stated to have simply absorbed the power of Earth 3 and this falls in line with what is shown in my opinion.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/87f54316b7b0b9f18ae6ffeecb11144d/tumblr_nnkzvznUIX1rr8dpjo4_1280.jpg We were explicitly told that AM had already consumed one universe's energy in preparation for his battle with Darkseid, and that he planned on consuming the energy of more universes still:
http://i.imgur.com/mAW6nWz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pa8fe1z.jpg

We were also told that it is in AM's fundamental nature to destroy universes -- that's what he does:
http://i.imgur.com/BfjpoSH.jpg


On top of that, DCnU AM = COIE AM -- they are literally the same being(confirmed by Metron.) So we know he indeed has the power to destroy/absorb universes.

Originally posted by Galan007
We were explicitly told that AM had already consumed one universe's energy in preparation for his battle with Darkseid, and that he planned on consuming the energy of more universes still:
http://i.imgur.com/mAW6nWz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pa8fe1z.jpg

We were also told that it is in AM's fundamental nature to destroy universes -- that's what he does:
http://i.imgur.com/BfjpoSH.jpg


On top of that, DCnU AM = COIE AM -- they are literally the same being(confirmed by Metron.) So we know he indeed has the power to destroy/absorb universes.

But this goes right along with what I said about Grail not being taken literally. Grail says "You have consumed all the power you can from this universe" as we watch AM standing on a devastated and lifeless planet that is still intact and existing with no evidence of any other damage to the surrounding cosmos. The planet Quard is shown in it's perfectly normal state.

We see Metron stating that AM absorbs Earth 3's power in preparation. There is another scene where someone states while looking at images of the devastation of Earth 3 that AM absorbs the life forces of the inhabitants in preparation for Darkseid. No universes are shown destroyed.

Yes, we know that AM destroys universes and has done so in route to multiple past Crises. We see him doing so in COIE using an arduous process that involves the use of technology. There is evidence of classic Galactus being capable of doing the same.

IIRC, after each Crisis, the multiverse is reborn as well as AM, who remembers the previous Crises. In the New 52 reality, AM has seemingly destroyed no universes and reassures Metron that he has no intention of doing so.

So the idea that New 52 AM is packing the power of multiple universes is questionable IMO. There are two many contradictions to Grail's statement which I view as hyperbole.

Grail wasn't the only one saying AM absorbed/destroyed universes, right?

I'm not aware of Grail saying that he destroys a universe. She says that he "consumes" one in preparation for Darkseid. I'm not aware of anyone else saying this, though it may have been mentioned somewhere else. But whatever he does to the universe of Earth 3, the universe apparently not destroyed.

There have been other references to him having destroyed, consumed, absorbed, etc. universes in past multiiversal iterations, just not in the New 52 IIRC.

AM did NOTHING to suggest he wins this. He doesn't have a single ft that puts him above this Galactus or standard Galactus. Statements isn't winning this battle.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But this goes right along with what I said about Grail not being taken literally. Grail says "You have consumed all the power you can from this universe" as we watch AM standing on a devastated and lifeless planet that is still intact and existing with no evidence of any other damage to the surrounding cosmos. The planet Quard is shown in it's perfectly normal state.

We see Metron stating that AM absorbs Earth 3's power in preparation. There is another scene where someone states while looking at images of the devastation of Earth 3 that AM absorbs the life forces of the inhabitants in preparation for Darkseid. No universes are shown destroyed.

Yes, we know that AM destroys universes and has done so in route to multiple past Crises. We see him doing so in COIE using an arduous process that involves the use of technology. There is evidence of classic Galactus being capable of doing the same.

IIRC, after each Crisis, the multiverse is reborn as well as AM, who remembers the previous Crises. In the New 52 reality, AM has seemingly destroyed no universes and reassures Metron that he has no intention of doing so.

So the idea that New 52 AM is packing the power of multiple universes is questionable IMO. There are two many contradictions to Grail's statement which I view as hyperbole.

Yep and the other person you are talking about that said that and showed the image was Ultraman.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I'm not aware of Grail saying that he destroys a universe. She says that he "consumes" one in preparation for Darkseid. I'm not aware of anyone else saying this, though it may have been mentioned somewhere else. But whatever he does to the universe of Earth 3, the universe apparently not destroyed.

There have been other references to him having destroyed, consumed, absorbed, etc. universes in past multiiversal iterations, just not in the New 52 IIRC.

Yeah, he consumed the energy of entire universes. Before AM and Darkseid fought, Darkseid also consumed universes.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep and the other person you are talking about that said that and showed the image was Ultraman.

That's right. I new that I recalled that. I just can't find the image. Thanks Carver!

So, both of these characters are working on universal scale? Cool.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, he consumed the energy of entire universes. Before AM and Darkseid fought, Darkseid also consumed universes.

As I recall, some are trying to tie something Darkseid is very loosely interpreted as doing in a Constantine arc to Darkseid War. I don't think that Darkseid is specifically portrayed as absorbing energy from universes within the Darkseid War storyline. But I may be wrong.

I don't see where AM is stated to be consuming the "energy of ENTIRE universes" to fight Darkseid. If that is the case, can a universe still survive and appear mostly normal after it's entire energy is absorbed? I think that it is most reasonable to say that he absorbs the energy of Earth 3 from that particular universe. That is what is most emphasized in the story IMO.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
As I recall, some are trying to tie something Darkseid is very loosely interpreted as doing in a Constantine arc to Darkseid War. I don't think that Darkseid is specifically portrayed as absorbing energy from universes within the Darkseid War storyline. But I may be wrong.

I don't see where AM is stated to be consuming the "energy of ENTIRE universes" to fight Darkseid. If that is the case, can a universe still survive and appear mostly normal after it's entire energy is absorbed? I think that it is most reasonable to say that he absorbs the energy of Earth 3 from that particular universe. That is what is most emphasized in the story IMO.

Yeah, but it still falls under Darkseid's feats, which AM fought during DS war. Plus, the consuming of universes under AM.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, but it still falls under Darkseid's feats, which AM fought during DS war. Plus, the consuming of universes under AM.

Even then, its Darkseid's army that destroys a single universe and the souls of the dead are used as fuel to power Apokalips. Not sure how that morphed into Darkseid himself absorbing multiple universes._

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Even then, its Darkseid's army that destroys a single universe and the souls of the dead are used as fuel to power Apokalips. Not sure how that morphed into Darkseid himself absorbing multiple universes._

I thought it was mentioned that Apokalips was just an extension of himself. Either way, AM was powered by the universes he consumed, right?

Originally posted by Zack M
I thought it was mentioned that Apokalips was just an extension of himself. Either way, AM was powered by the universes he consumed, right?

Galactus says the Ultimate Nulifier is as much a part of him as his heart. Can we include it?

AM is powered by the life forces he consumes on Earth 3 as far as I know.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Galactus says the Ultimate Nulifier is as much a part of him as his heart. Can we include it?

AM is powered by the life forces he consumes on Earth 3 as far as I know.

New God tech has always been an extension. If you want to get rid of one of their power source, then fine. I guess we'll agree to disagree on the AM stance.

Originally posted by Zack M
New God tech has always been an extension. If you want to get rid of one of their power source, then fine. I guess we'll agree to disagree on the AM stance.

Fair enough. I appreciate the good debate.

Actually - they are abstracts - and they have abstract level powers - but abstracts have varying power levels too - and based on their dialogue in the panel - they seemed to be certain they were above Galactus - like they probably have fought before - and they know what he weighed and he know what they weighed too - but they didn't know the change gave him power upgrades - but he did and was sure he was now powerful than they are - and Galactus is a very calculative person that wouldn't jump into a battle without knowing the odds - .::

Galactus, very, very very easily

Anti Monitor stomps. Lulz @ Hulkster though. He is very persistent on lowballing Darkseid and AM.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anti Monitor stomps. Lulz @ Hulkster though. He is very persistent on lowballing Darkseid and AM.

Cry more. Good, good.

Galan put the shit out of AM.

I'd say a tossup.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Cry more. Good, good.


I'm in your head boy.

Originally posted by abhilegend


I'm in your head boy.

Hmmmm. A little racism there huh?

Racism?

Galactus quite easily

If only. Anti Monitor bitchslaps him.

LB Galactus dominates this.

Originally posted by abhilegend


If only. Anti Monitor bitchslaps him.

Bump

Lol.

Bump

AM stomps.

Lifebringer has been laughably unimpressive at times.

AM wins

does anyone have the scan stating DCNU AM is the same AM we see in COIE?

Originally posted by MrMind
AM wins

does anyone have the scan stating DCNU AM is the same AM we see in COIE? Take your pick...

https://i.ibb.co/44k2k4h/Justice-League-2011-040-010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/m6bMP1Z/Justice-League-2011-040-011.jpg https://i.ibb.co/MknP3DK/Justice-League-2011-040-012.jpg https://i.ibb.co/M1H77hK/Justice-League-2011-040-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Rbh67RX/Justice-League-2011-040-015.jpg
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https://i.ibb.co/D9XD5HT/Justice-League-2018-022-005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/y0g4HJM/Justice-League-2018-022-006.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/YNGcPxY/Justice-League-2018-022-016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/sW3yLbN/Justice-League-2018-022-017.jpg
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https://i.ibb.co/SwMRcc5/Justice-League-034-016.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/oIGcGJr.jpg

Thanks Galan