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this fight is only H2H no gudgets no nothing. who wins

Not sure if you're a new member or a sock account (no offense), but we do have a search function. This fight has been done about a dozen different times and the general concensus is that batman dominates daredevil when gadgets are allowed and that it's a split or slight edge to DD when it's simple hand to hand.

Hahaha, no. Batman wins either way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, no. Batman wins either way. that's why I said general concensus. Not everybody shares your beliefs you know.

Matt wins. Powers + skill combo.

Originally posted by deathslash
that's why I said general concensus. Not everybody shares your beliefs you know.
I know. But Batman wins.

You said they might be equal in skill... and guess who actually has powers here

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Matt wins. Powers + skill combo.

yeah but strength and stamina edge goes to batman IMO. also matt is not very good and taking hits. he goes down preety fast see his fights vs bullseye for example and many others. as soon as he is getting tagged it takes several hits to hurt him. batman on the other hand can keep going and going even after getting trashed up. daredevil has similar showings when he fought punisher. however the majority of his showings show otherwise. i think batman has the edge in strength stamina and durability. daredevil in speed and agility. fighting skills toss up. but i cant see daredevil hang too much time with batman he will go down eventually. thats just my opinion

Originally posted by Dareangel
yeah but strength and stamina edge goes to batman IMO. also matt is not very good and taking hits. he goes down preety fast see his fights vs bullseye for example and many others. as soon as he is getting tagged it takes several hits to hurt him. batman on the other hand can keep going and going even after getting trashed up. daredevil has similar showings when he fought punisher. however the majority of his showings show otherwise. i think batman has the edge in strength stamina and durability. daredevil in speed and agility. fighting skills toss up. but i cant see daredevil hang too much time with batman he will go down eventually. thats just my opinion No he doesn't. He's taken hits from spider-man, kingpin, namor, Mr Hyde, tombstone, and iron man and kept going. He has solid durability feats.

And solid strength feats... like flipping a limo.

Originally posted by deathslash
No he doesn't. He's taken hits from spider-man, kingpin, namor, Mr Hyde, tombstone, and iron man. He has solid strength feats.

i am talking about his usual and most "realistic" showings. every comic book character has BS showings. like wolverine taking a nuke with a smile. its very common for a street level character to take hits from thor hulk spiderman atc atc. however there is the more consistant and accurate portrayal of the character. i know daredevil he is one of my favorites. he has feats such as one shotting gorgon, beating spiderman and getting the upper hand on black panther. however thats not his consistant level. he always had a weak spot as far as taking hits AKA durability.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i am talking about his usual and most "realistic" showings.

Batman has those, too... getting one-shotted by Jobber Croc is more embarrassing than getting one-shotted by BT while recovering from a flu.

Try harder

batman ALWAYS wins

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
batman ALWAYS wins

Unless he's fighting Slade

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman has those, too... getting one-shotted by Jobber Croc is more embarrassing than getting one-shotted by BT while recovering from a flu.

Try harder

batman has more consistant showings of getting trashed and keep fighting without it taking serious effects. matt has majority of showings where we clearly see getting hit effects him much more than batman at least. matt is not built for long fights he is built to take his opponent out with pressure hits and technique. he has great durability showings like vs punisher for example. however once again those are not majority

Originally posted by Dareangel
batman has more consistant showings of getting trashed and keep fighting without it taking serious effects. matt has majority of showings where we clearly see getting hit effects him much more than batman at least. matt is not built for long fights he is built to take his opponent out with pressure hits and technique. he has great durability showings like vs punisher for example. however once again those are not majority you are aware of the fact that 99.9% of batman's showings involve him wearing a metal plated, Kevlar suit that has shock absorbers and multiple other gadgets for the sake of keeping him alive and daredevil has a suit and some sticks?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You said they might be equal in skill... and guess who actually has powers here
I said he may be a peer in skills. Not equal.

Guess who has the batkick?

Guess who has the Ultron-busting stick and is gonna stuff it up Batman's ass?

Originally posted by deathslash
you are aware of the fact that 99.9% of batman's showings involve him wearing a metal plated, Kevlar suit that has shock absorbers and multiple other gadgets for the sake of keeping him alive and daredevil has a suit and some sticks?
A suit designed to absorb attacks as well.

Batman without any armor has fought MA for 28 hours straight and kicked all their asses. Matt wishes for such endurance feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Guess who has the Ultron-busting stick and is gonna stuff it up Batman's ass?
Spectre>Ultron.

And he already shoved that stick in Logan's ass. Ask Ennis.

vin

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said he may be a peer in skills. Not equal.

Guess who has the batkick? oh, you mean that kick that was used against a severely weakened darkseid and a holding back spectre?

Originally posted by deathslash
oh, you mean that kick that was used against a severely weakened darkseid and a holding back spectre?
Darkseid was actually more powerful than ever.

Spectre holding back is Ultron level now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre>Ultron.

And he already shoved that stick in Logan's ass. Ask Ennis.

vin

Spectre was faking his anal orgasms, Ultron was not.

LEAVE LOGAN ALONE HE DED... DED!!!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spectre was faking his anal orgasms, Ultron was not.

LEAVE LOGAN ALONE HE DED... DED!!!
Ultron was defected as well.

Nope. All your karma is catching up.

Batman wins. Matt has yet to stalemate someone in KK's class like Batman has.

Originally posted by deathslash
you are aware of the fact that 99.9% of batman's showings involve him wearing a metal plated, Kevlar suit that has shock absorbers and multiple other gadgets for the sake of keeping him alive and daredevil has a suit and some sticks?

yes but thats part of the character. thats batman and his suit like it or not. if we want to judge them as pure and natural, then it would be bruce vs matt with no suits no nothing.
matt is one of marvel's top martial artists. however what always keeps him IMO under captain america, batman and black panther, is strength and durability. those guys are peak to enhanced human level at those stats. daredevil is only athletic level in strength and durability. his skills yeah they are top notch. but its not enough.

I always thought Matt was equal to Grayson (all things considered) not Bruce. Isnt THAT the consensus

And what are you basing that off of?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ultron was defected as well.

Nope. All your karma is catching up.



Your karma situation is much worse, I'm afraid.

You dirty S-loving CHOMPER.

Originally posted by carver9
And what are you basing that off of?

General consensus

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid was actually more powerful than ever.

Spectre holding back is Ultron level now? in the famous "I've fallen and I can't get up" comic? Dude, they were trying to get the staff away from him to stop him from regaining his power.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Unless he's fighting Slade

lol

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always thought Matt was equal to Grayson (all things considered) not Bruce. Isnt THAT the consensus

Currently, Grayson is definitely a peer to DD. I'd say near split.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always thought Matt was equal to Grayson (all things considered) not Bruce. Isnt THAT the consensus

It should be.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always thought Matt was equal to Grayson (all things considered) not Bruce. Isnt THAT the consensus

No.

If anything, DD is the mix of the best traits Bruce and Dick have to offer.

Originally posted by Zack M
Currently, Grayson is definitely a peer to DD. I'd say near split.

Thats what i was thinking. Id only give an edge to bruce cause of gadgets.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats what i was thinking. Id only give an edge to bruce cause of gadgets.

Bruce (Pre-Flashpoint) knows every martial art on the planet. DD is certainly not more skilled than him. both are peak human, in general. Batman has some insane feats in dealing with metas, just like DD. Batman gets the slight edge, IMO, but it's a good fight.

Originally posted by Zack M
Bruce (Pre-Flashpoint) knows every martial art on the planet. DD is certainly not more skilled than him. both are peak human, in general. Batman has some insane feats in dealing with metas, just like DD. Batman gets the slight edge, IMO, but it's a good fight. but he doesn't have super powers like saredevil. I also think it would be a more than fair to chalk at least half of batman's wins and feats to his usage of prep and gadgets.

Originally posted by deathslash
but he doesn't have super powers like saredevil. I also think it would be a more than fair to chalk at least half of batman's wins and feats to his usage of prep and gadgets.

Yes, in terms of beings far more powerful than him. But in random fights against fighters, he tends to do very well. Even if he loses the first time, he always adapts.

And Daredevil doesn't, iyo? That's actually a common truth for great many superheroes.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Daredevil doesn't, iyo? That's actually a common truth for great many superheroes.

When did I say he doesn't? Both are great fighters.

The whole "losing the first time, then adapting" thing is a common trope in superhero comics.

Either way, I think Bruce has went up against superior MA's. The two versions of Karate Kid show this.

Originally posted by deathslash
in the famous "I've fallen and I can't get up" comic? Dude, they were trying to get the staff away from him to stop him from regaining his power.
He had already regained his power and was stated to be more powerful than ever.

Rejuvenated Batman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He had already regained his power and was stated to be more powerful than ever. scans please or issue number.

Originally posted by deathslash
scans please or issue number.
Superman/Batman 42.

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671543_Superman_Batman_042-12.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671545_Superman_Batman_042-14.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671547_Superman_Batman_042-15.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671549_Superman_Batman_042-18.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671551_Superman_Batman_042-19.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671555_Superman_Batman_042-20.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671560_Superman_Batman_042-21.jpg

And the power source for Darkseid was explicitly stated to be the destruction everywhere. It was a whole dimension of power, so its not like Darkseid was weak. Just that Batman was beastly. A weaker Darkseid and Superman's fight rocked the entire solar system according to that arc.

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29671563_Superman_Batman_040-14.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman/Batman 42.

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671543_Superman_Batman_042-12.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671545_Superman_Batman_042-14.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671547_Superman_Batman_042-15.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671549_Superman_Batman_042-18.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671551_Superman_Batman_042-19.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671555_Superman_Batman_042-20.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29671560_Superman_Batman_042-21.jpg

And the power source for Darkseid was explicitly stated to be the destruction everywhere. It was a whole dimension of power, so its not like Darkseid was weak. Just that Batman was beastly. A weaker Darkseid and Superman's fight rocked the entire solar system according to that arc.

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29671563_Superman_Batman_040-14.jpg okay.
1. Batman ever doing any form of damage to darkseid is horrible PIS.

2. Darkseid hadn't absorbed the power of the staff yet. He was only at normal power.

3. Seriously, batman hurting darkseid is horrible writing.

He wasn't drawing the power of the staff. He was drawing power from Omega Realm.

I like how in this forum Batman has to Batkick Darkseid to beat Murdock