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Is this Tyler with the full warlogog?

Yeah, he's at his peak.

Probably Hourman.

Assuming this is Hourman M* with the full Worlogog, he eventually wins. The main reason I believe this(aside from the fact that it possesses IG-esque power) is because the Worlogog possesses infinite/unbounded energy, while Fury's energy stores --while very extensive-- are still finite(we saw this after his battle with Jaspers.)

IOW, I think Hourman could ultimately outlast Fury if nothing else.

He did indefinately time freeze a birthing universe. With an imperfect replica Warlogog.

Originally posted by Galan007
Assuming this is Hourman M* with the full Worlogog, he eventually wins. The main reason I believe this(aside from the fact that it possesses IG-esque power) is because the Worlogog possesses infinite/unbounded energy, while Fury's energy stores --while very extensive-- are still finite(we saw this after his battle with Jaspers.)

IOW, I think Hourman could ultimately outlast Fury if nothing else.

The Fury has a viable option though. H1M's powers don't work in a place beyond time and place (this was confirmed in his encounter with Mordru). The fury could just lead H1M to a place beyond time/space while adapting to his powers, just like it did with MJJ.

Edit: Actually never mind, i didn't see that H1M has the worlogog, that changes things. I see H1M outlasting the fury as the most likely scenario.

^ I'm not so sure.

After reassembling the Worlogog, Extant specifically traveled to the end of time --the exact moment when the universe collapses upon itself-- and created his universe there:
http://i.imgur.com/OBVk9BQ.jpg

Hourman confirms that Extant is reassembling the 'gog at the end of existence:
http://i.imgur.com/APw8lHA.jpg

And finally, Metron states that Extant's universe begins where the timestream ends:
http://i.imgur.com/FtE8mAR.jpg


And in DC we know that the end of time = Entropy -- a place where time, energy, and even concepts cannot exist:
http://i.imgur.com/ZH0ibHx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YUHLR3R.jpg

That is, apparently, where Extant created his universe... And he did so with an incomplete 'gog, mind you.

Yeah, i edited my post. I simply didn't pay attention to the worlogog part. Worlogog can operate outside of existence, H1M can't since he was powerless against Mordru when they were at the tower of fate (outside space/time).

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, i edited my post. I simply didn't pay attention to the worlogog part. Worlogog can operate outside of existence, H1M can't since he was powerless against Mordru when they were at the tower of fate (outside space/time).

Being outside a universe and freezing it counts as being "outside space and time", though, and he worked just fine.

^ operator already agreed that the 'gog can function outside of time/space.

Also, Hourman accomplished the feat you mentioned with an incomplete copy of the 'gog(created by the Else-Men.) After Hourman split-up the complete 'gog, however, he lost the ability to function in that capacity, as he only kept a very small fraction of it for himself.

Originally posted by cdtm
Being outside a universe and freezing it counts as being "outside space and time", though, and he worked just fine.

He used an imperfect version of a worlogog in that instance. I was talking about regular H1M.

H1M power set is exclusively tied to time being present, at least major ones. That's how he is able to operate in pico-seconds, or "devolve" beings, or restoring a building (to before it was destroyed), or nullify Extant's entropic powers. It's all by using some form of time manipulation. So logically speaking, his major powers wouldn't work in a place outside of time/space. And that's exactly what we saw in the Mordru scene.

Originally posted by operator616
The Fury has a viable option though. H1M's powers don't work in a place beyond time and place (this was confirmed in his encounter with Mordru). The fury could just lead H1M to a place beyond time/space while adapting to his powers, just like it did with MJJ.

Edit: Actually never mind, i didn't see that H1M has the worlogog, that changes things. I see H1M outlasting the fury as the most likely scenario.

Wasn't the timepoint beyond space and time? Didn't he have the ability to send beings there?

Originally posted by Zack M
Wasn't the timepoint beyond space and time? Didn't he have the ability to send beings there?

He did.

Whatever effects he did there was permenent, too, because no time flow.

Now that i think of it, he also displayed his time powers there when he accelerated rick tyler's recovery after Mid-nite's surgery.

Contradictions due to different writers, i guess.

Probably.

His solo series was all by the same guy, and it had most of his best feats (Heck, he was holding his own against Timeazo despite having a mere fragment of the Warlogog vs half..)

I have no opinion on who could "win," but I'm wondering ...

... is the idea of H1M "outlasting" the Fury based on Fury not being able to hurt H1M?

Cause no one's made any suggestions in that respect.

That aside ...

Is the worlogog a weapon? A suit? something that's in you? ... I know nothing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Probably.

His solo series was all by the same guy, and it had most of his best feats (Heck, he was holding his own against Timeazo despite having a mere fragment of the Warlogog vs half..)

Apart from Amazo and the else-men (w/ imperfect worlogog) instances, he also completely devolved epoch in his solo series. But the extant arc was even more ridiculous. Since H1M was able to grant each of the heroes time powers which nullified Extant's worlogog powers. Despite the fact that he possessed an infinitesimal portion while Extant possessed a nearly full worlogog.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no opinion on who could "win," but I'm wondering ...

... is the idea of H1M "outlasting" the Fury based on Fury not being able to hurt H1M?

Cause no one's made any suggestions in that respect.

That aside ...

Is the worlogog a weapon? A suit? something that's in you? ... I know nothing.

A device/weapon. It's basically a miniature map of the entire time/space continuum, but is also capable of manipulating it.

http://imgur.com/gqKV8pU

It's a fluid object that merges with its wielder. Grants them IG-esque powers.

Usually of the time manipulation variety. In Crisis Times Five, it was discribed as 4th dimensional powers, making them ineffective against the 5d imps.

Although Metron used it to send Extant in an airplane about to crash, so it can do more then pure time manip (Hourman's solo series was all about time, but on a very,,very high level. Freezing a big bang to prevent enemies from an emerging universe from ever being, somehow undoing being erased from existance after the fact, devolving and evolving on the fly, erasing and remaking all of reality..)

https://www.google.com/search?q=worlogog&hl=en&sa=X&as_q=&spell=1&ved=0ahUKEwjgmNyezJXPAhWZ8oMKHaXJAKQQBQgKKAA

It's taken different forms. Used to be the rock of ages. Extant wore it around his arm like a sheath.. Usually, it's seen floating in an artsy like matrix above someone's hand..

Rex Tyler simply has it in his chest, because robot, and most effects come out as "time vision".

Also, it's fragmentable, and apparently copyable as a flawed version, but for all intents and purposes able to do everything the full one can do (It was a flawed copy Hourman used to perma-freeze a big bang.)

In fact, even a small fragment has contended with close to the entire thing. And Rex seems to have all the powers of the main body, with the main limitation being, ironically, time. Once his "hour of power" is up, all effects end. (Unless in a specific plane of existance where time doesn't flow, letting his effects last indefinately. A plane Rex can enter at will, and banish others to.)

If an opponent can get close to him to attack physically,

can the worlogog be taken off the wielder?

Cause as we know, Fury will at-least walk right through anything H1M can throw at Fury for a good while,
in that time span, Fury using it's supreme adapting capabilities,
will definitely find a way to remove the worlogog, IF, it can be removed.

imo

Nah, the 'gog literally merges with its wielder:
http://i.imgur.com/AkIHNfc.jpg

It is not an external item of power like, say, the IG.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, the 'gog literally merges with its wielder:
http://i.imgur.com/AkIHNfc.jpg

It is not an external item of power like, say, the IG.

Yeah that's just a representation of the thing.

Sort of like the Anti Life Equation creates glyphs over the head.

Lame thread created by Zack yet again.

This is actually one of his better threads.

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Hourman was extant???

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hourman was extant???

Nope, he just gave the JSA the power to beat him, by further dividing up his infinitesimal portion of what Extant was using, as he was remaking reality.