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1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-Out

Baras in all, but maybe Sabers.

Scourge has a decent chance against Satele Shan, let-alone Baras, who canonically is just... not on her level.

I hate Scourge shit tons but he might win this.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I hate Scourge shit tons but he might win this. Why do you hate Scourge? :/

Dull character.

Meh.

Anyway, when you think about it, unless you're over-leveled, you usually have a companion with you during the Scourge fight.

But thats just gameplay mechanics.

Scourge

Considering what I've just learned, Baras gets stomped.

Considering that he lost to act II HoT, Baras solidly, assuming it's with all the amps he had before Wrath II messed it all up for him.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Considering what I've just learned, Baras gets stomped.

Share with the class plz.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Considering that he lost to act II HoT, Baras solidly, assuming it's with all the amps he had before Wrath II messed it all up for him.

Act II HoT = Lord Scourge > Act I HoT > Satele Shan >> Darth Baras.

Baras had trouble with an inexperienced Shan.

You're forgetting HoT has his companion when he faces Scourge.

Satele (apparently) admits that Act I HoT is superior to her.

Satele by that point is DEFINITELY above Baras, its not something you can even question.

Errr...doesn't Baras engage Satele during the Sack of Coruscant? In a basically inconclusive and brief bout?

Satele should be in her 40 or late 30 during that time too, unless I forgot about something.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Errr...doesn't Baras engage Satele during the Sack of Coruscant? In a basically inconclusive and brief bout?

Satele should be in her 40 or late 30 during that time too, unless I forgot about something. Then that still makes him weaker then Act I HoT.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Then that still makes him weaker then Act I HoT.

I don't share your conclusion. That would make HoT to be far superior to the Wrath. Plus, their clash was so brief that I find it difficult to consider it an irrefutable case in Satele's favour.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
I don't share your conclusion. That would make HoT to be far superior to the Wrath. Plus, their clash was so brief that I find it difficult to consider it an irrefutable case in Satele's favour. Satele states that the HoT as of Act I is the most powerful Jedi alive, including herself.

Act I HoT is very inferior to Scourge.

Satele was fighting on par with Malgus, and is implied in the story to be his equal at points, IIRC.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Satele states that the HoT as of Act I is the most powerful Jedi alive, including herself.

Act I HoT is very inferior to Scourge.

Satele was fighting on par with Malgus, and is implied in the story to be his equal at points, IIRC.

Satele was far from fighting on par with Malgus, lol. She even admited she was going to die twice in her entry in the Journal of Gnost Dural.

During the False Emperor Flashpoint Satele explicitly admits the HoT or the party is the only hope to defeat Malgus, clearly excluding herself from the capable lot.

Malgus has much better combat feats and accolades than Satele.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Satele was far from fighting on par with Malgus, lol. She even admited she was going to die twice in her entry in the Journal of Gnost Dural.

During the False Emperor Flashpoint Satele explicitly admits the HoT or the party is the only hope to defeat Malgus, clearly excluding herself from the capable lot.

Malgus has much better combat feats and accolades than Satele.

Thats because Satele tried to take him out in sabers instead of using her obviously superior TK.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats because Satele tried to take him out in sabers instead of using her obviously superior TK.

So superior that in the only stance both were with their defenses up Malgus was actually the one who force pushed Satele into a tree, broke her lightsaber stance and forced her to commit a tactical mistake that cost her lightsaber and would've cost her life, as she admited it herself.

Yeah, totally superior.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
So superior that in the only stance both were with their defenses up Malgus was actually the one who force pushed Satele into a tree, broke her lightsaber stance and forced her to commit a tactical mistake that cost her lightsaber and would've cost her life, as she admited it herself.

Yeah, totally superior. Satele force pushed him and almost killed him with a force blast.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Satele force pushed him and almost killed him with a force blast.

Dude, Jace had just exploded a granade on his face and she obviously caught Malgus off guard. ._.

On neutral circunstances, it was Malgus who force pushed her to create a decisive tactical advantage.

Also, if Satele is so superior, why did she bought down a tree, in order to disengage from Malgus, if she could just force push him some feet away?

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Dude, Jace had just exploded a granade on his face and she obviously caught Malgus off guard. ._.

On neutral circunstances, it was Malgus who force pushed her to create a decisive tactical advantage.

Also, if Satele is so superior, why did she bought down a tree, in order to disengage from Malgus, if she could just force push him some feet away? Your logic: "People can't resist TK if they're caught off-guard for a moment."

He couldn't resist because he simply wasn't able.

Offensive TK and Defensive TK are different things.

Take Kylo Ren for example, he's described as having immense TK... defense.

lol

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
lol Yeah, I know.

You're a funny guy.

Baras wins. He was contending with Act III Wrath, who'd be reasonably around Act III Hot's level. Scourge was merely stalemating Act II HoT.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Baras wins. He was contending with Act III Wrath, who'd be reasonably around Act III Hot's level. Scourge was merely stalemating Act II HoT. Why do we have any reason to believe that Act III Wrath is anywhere near the level of the HoT?

IIRC, regardless, Wrath II beat Baras pretty easily, humiliated him in front of the Dark Council.

By your logic, the power-scaling doesn't make sense.

On top of that, its repeatedly said that the entire Dark Council fears Scourge, and according to the quotes, its not because he's the Emperor's Wrath.

It also states that Scourge is sent out to kill any Sith that get too powerful and ambitious, which would include Baras.

"But wouldn't that include Malgus?"

Lord Scourge was already with the HoT by the time Malgus decided to name himself the False Emperor.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Scourge has a decent chance against Satele Shan, let-alone Baras, who canonically is just... not on her level.

Neither of those things are necessarily true.

&the reason to assume Act III Wrath is anywhere near Act II HoT is that his feats are superior, lol.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Your logic: "People can't resist TK if they're caught off-guard for a moment."


Uh, yeah, lmfao.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Your logic: "People can't resist TK if they're caught off-guard for a moment."

Lmao. Hamner>>>Durron confirmed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Uh, yeah, lmfao. Thats kinda stupid when people have done it before.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Neither of those things are necessarily true.

&the reason to assume Act III Wrath is anywhere near Act II HoT is that his feats are superior, lol. Uh, it states that Act II HoT fought Scourge to a stalemate.

:/

So yeah, it kind of is.

That would make Act III Wrath and Baras SUPREMELY and VASTLY above Satele.

And if Act I HoT is above Satele, then that would make Act II HoT MUCH higher then Satele.

Also the fact that a lot of accolades for Scourge were that the Dark Council was scared of him.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why do we have any reason to believe that Act III Wrath is anywhere near the level of the HoT?

Superior feats and scaling?



It wasn't easy. The Wrath won through exhaustion, not directly overwhelming Baras.



And Baras fooled the Dark Council into thinking that he wielded the Emperor's power.



It also states that Scourge killed Jedi that the Emperor deemed too powerful to stay alive. Unless you think there's a hundred plus Jedi who are more powerful than Satele, then it's not meant to be taken so literally. Scourge's victims are powerful, but not top-tier.

Scourge is so under estimated nowadays it really sucks.

Why beacuse he is equal an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile?

I get it though its a novel a real canon resource...okay.

Then why cant we disuade that as WIS and CIS for Meetra

like we did General Lolcow Greives in TCW...............

kind of a double standard tbh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Superior feats and scaling?



It wasn't easy. The Wrath won through exhaustion, not directly overwhelming Baras.



And Baras fooled the Dark Council into thinking that he wielded the Emperor's power.



It also states that Scourge killed Jedi that the Emperor deemed too powerful to stay alive. Unless you think there's a hundred plus Jedi who are more powerful than Satele, then it's not meant to be taken so literally. Scourge's victims are powerful, but not top-tier.

I guess? Although I'd put the weakened Emperor above Baras and Wrath II.

Yet every Dark Council member recognized that Wrath II was the better combatant.

But he didn't.

Yes, because Scourge is gonna land on Tython, assassinate Satele, and get off scot-free. Of course.

It also states that all Dark Council members fear Scourge, which includes Baras, and based on the description, it isn't because of his title. It goes so far that they afraid to even offend him.

Originally posted by Dread Dark
Scourge is so under estimated nowadays it really sucks.

Why beacuse he is equal an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile?

I get it though its a novel a real canon resource...okay.

Then why cant we disuade that as WIS and CIS for Meetra

like we did General Lolcow Greives in TCW...............

kind of a double standard tbh.

He WAS equal to an obviously nerfed Jedi Exile, he became much more powerful in TOR.

He wasn't equal to the Exile in the novel. He estimated that based on Surik fighting non-Force sensitives. But seeing as he was forced back by Nyriss even when he had Surik's assistance, whereas Surik held her ground solo, it's obvious who's superior. Of course, that entire fight was pretty shit anyway, lol.

@Jmanghan - Of course Wrath II was better, just not by that great of a margin.

Baras doesn't become a Dark Councillor until after Scourge leaves the position, and Baras fooled the Council into thinking that he wielded Vitiate's power, which is beyond anything Scourge has ever intimidated the Council into believing.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He wasn't equal to the Exile in the novel. He estimated that based on Surik fighting non-Force sensitives. But seeing as he was forced back by Nyriss even when he had Surik's assistance, whereas Surik held her ground solo, it's obvious who's superior. Of course, that entire fight was pretty shit anyway, lol.

@Jmanghan - Of course Wrath II was better, just not by that great of a margin.

Baras doesn't become a Dark Councillor until after Scourge leaves the position, and Baras fooled the Council into thinking that he wielded Vitiate's power, which is beyond anything Scourge has ever intimidated the Council into believing. Baras clearly didn't "intimidate" the council, as no one was scared when Baras gave them orders and such.

Meetra was getting her ass thrashed and stomped by Nyriss JUST as bad as Scourge was.

No, he estimated that by sensing her power, Scourge is able to use Force Sense, as well as precognition, thats what he used to sense fear in Xedrix.

Scourge never attempted to scare the council into believing anything, because he didn't really care about the affairs of the Dark Council.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Baras clearly didn't "intimidate" the council, as no one was scared when Baras gave them orders and such.

No, but they believed that he was the Voice until the second Wrath came along. And we know the Voice wields Vitiate's power, a notion backed by the codex and Encyclopedia.



So you'll just ignore what I said, what the novel says, and just continue to repeat yourself?

Meetra did better than Scourge. That's beyond question. She was standing her ground solo, Scourge was being forced back even with Meetra by his side. And that was on a nexus that amped Scourge whilst weakening Meetra.



Nope. He was clearly talking about combat abilities, not just raw power, which you can't get from just Sensing someone. Observation obviously played a part.



Regardless, even Vowrawn was willing to step out of line to investigate Scourge. Scourge doesn't scare anyone but no-names, lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, but they believed that he was the Voice until the second Wrath came along. And we know the Voice wields Vitiate's power, a notion backed by the codex and Encyclopedia.



So you'll just ignore what I said, what the novel says, and just continue to repeat yourself?

Meetra did better than Scourge. That's beyond question. She was standing her ground solo, Scourge was being forced back even with Meetra by his side. And that was on a nexus that amped Scourge whilst weakening Meetra.



Nope. He was clearly talking about combat abilities, not just raw power, which you can't get from just Sensing someone. Observation obviously played a part.



Regardless, even Vowrawn was willing to step out of line to investigate Scourge. Scourge doesn't scare anyone but no-names, lol. It says the ENTIRE Dark Council, and even the best Imperial Guards were "no match" for Rookie Scourge, despite them being able to best Dark Council members in combat.

If you could be so kind as to post the Nyriss vs Meetra and Scourge fight, I'll agree, I've only ever heard it on an audiobook, and I don't remember much.

Lol, Imperial Knights can't best Dark Councillors 1v1.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, Imperial Knights can't best Dark Councillors 1v1. They are responsible for killing off most of the Dark Council on Vitiate's order.

Scourge wins.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It says the ENTIRE Dark Council, and even the best Imperial Guards were "no match" for Rookie Scourge, despite them being able to best Dark Council members in combat.

Yeah, the Imperial Guard can collectively beat Dark Councillors, not individually, lol.



Here:



Note that Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced back. Meetra, by contrast, held her ground solo. And we've yet to factor in the nexuses. Meetra's above Scourge's paygrade.

Not to mention her ability to hold off four times as many Guards at one point in the fight than Lord Scourge was stalemating with.

Edit: Ah, Sun got it nvrm.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Not to mention her ability to hold off four times as many Guards at one point in the fight than Lord Scourge was stalemating with.

IIRC that was debunked. Scourge was fighting the leader anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, the Imperial Guard can collectively beat Dark Councillors, not individually, lol.



Here:



Note that Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced back. Meetra, by contrast, held her ground solo. And we've yet to factor in the nexuses. Meetra's above Scourge's paygrade.

So, just because Scourge fell over, and Meetra was still standing, makes her better then him?

Meetra wasn't even standing, she was forced to her knees.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So, just because Scourge fell over, and Meetra was still standing, makes her better then him?

Scourge was forced back even with Surik's assistance. Surik stood her ground solo, so yes, that does make her better. You don't retreat unless you have to.

There's no comparison, Meetra's just much better, especially once you factor in the nexus amping Scourge and hindering Surik.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Scourge was forced back even with Surik's assistance. Surik stood her ground solo, so yes, that does make her better. You don't retreat unless you have to.

There's no comparison, Meetra's just much better, especially once you factor in the nexus amping Scourge and hindering Surik. He didn't retreat, he staggered back.

Like if you shoved someone irl, they'd stagger back. Its not retreating, its being pushed back by a superior opponent.

Tbh, the quote that you posted makes Scourge seem BETTER then Meetra in that fight.

And she clearly didn't stand her ground, because she was forced to her knees.

The difference between their performance isn't relevant. The fact that Meetra was immensely hindered is what puts her >> Scourge.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
The difference between their performance isn't relevant. The fact that Meetra was immensely hindered is what puts her >> Scourge. No one is arguing that Meetra is above Scourge during that time.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
He didn't retreat, he staggered back.

Like if you shoved someone irl, they'd stagger back. Its not retreating, its being pushed back by a superior opponent.

Tbh, the quote that you posted makes Scourge seem BETTER then Meetra in that fight.

And she clearly didn't stand her ground, because she was forced to her knees.

lol Surik being forced to one knee is proof that she was outmatched, as the text says. Nevertheless, she still managed to stand her ground, which the text also directly states. Scourge was forced back - he couldn't even stand his ground. You don't need to overcomplicate things. Surik's better.

Originally posted by SunRazer
lol Surik being forced to one knee is proof that she was outmatched, as the text says. Nevertheless, she still managed to stand her ground, which the text also directly states. Scourge was forced back - he couldn't even stand his ground. You don't need to overcomplicate things. Surik's better. Yeah, she stood her ground... from a single attack.

If Scourge didn't stagger back from Nyriss' thrust, he would have died, they were on the same level during that fight, you saying that Meetra Surik is better based on the evidence you provided is just misinformation.

At least Scourge was actually able to hold off her onslaught for a short amount of time, Meetra got brought to her knees after roughly a few attacks.

It says hold her ground btw, not "stand" her ground, as she clearly wasn't standing.

Nyriss couldn't break through either of tbeir defenses, either.

So don't try bringing that up as a point to aid your argument.

Do you even know what "stand your ground" means? It's exactly the same as "hold your ground" - holding your position. It has nothing to do with standing upright.

Scourge was forced back because maintaining his position was an impossibility. Surik managed to do that. Ergo, she's better, especially factoring in the nexus.



Umm.... what? Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced off, whereas Surik managed to hold her position solo. It's really not that hard to understand.



Again, what?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Do you even know what "stand your ground" means? It's exactly the same as "hold your ground" - holding your position. It has nothing to do with standing upright.

Scourge was forced back because maintaining his position was an impossibility. Surik managed to do that. Ergo, she's better, especially factoring in the nexus.



Umm.... what? Scourge had Meetra by his side and was still forced off, whereas Surik managed to hold her position solo. It's really not that hard to understand.



Again, what?

They were on opposite sides of each other, and Nyriss jumped in between them.

Ok, so why is Meetra "holding her ground" on one knee somehow more impressive then what happened to Scourge?

Because Scourge was forced back and Meetra wasn't? It was due to the nature of the attacks that Nyriss was dishing out.

You'd dodge a slash differently then you'd dodge a stab, right?

Nyriss performed a thrust, Meetra would have been forced back as well. :/

Originally posted by Jmanghan
They were on opposite sides of each other, and Nyriss jumped in between them.

Ok, so why is Meetra "holding her ground" on one knee somehow more impressive then what happened to Scourge?

Because Scourge was forced back and Meetra wasn't? It was due to the nature of the attacks that Nyriss was dishing out.

You'd dodge a slash differently then you'd dodge a stab, right?

Nyriss performed a thrust, Meetra would have been forced back as well. :/

There's no indication of what she did against Meetra other than using all of her efforts on her. On the other hand, Scourge was forced back even when Surik was by his side.

There's no comparison. Just stop dragging this on by inserting nonexistent context.

Meetra being better than a guy who struggles with combat droids, holy **** that's impressive

Apparently Yoda's struggled with droids before too.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's no indication of what she did against Meetra other than using all of her efforts on her. On the other hand, Scourge was forced back even when Surik was by his side.

There's no comparison. Just stop dragging this on by inserting nonexistent context. Yes, there is.

They weren't even side-by-side.

This dumbass novel is contradicting itself saying Nyriss jumped in between them, which means they were on opposite sides of eachother.

So it goes like this.

Scourge is here - Nyriss is here - Meetra is here.

If she was forced to her knees it was clearly a downward slash, as theres really no other way at all, that she would be forced to her knees.

Scourge was already forced away when Nyriss brought Surik to her knees. So it could've been anything.

You're just making things up at this point, and I don't have the time to indulge in your fan-fictions.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Scourge was already forced away when Nyriss brought Surik to her knees. So it could've been anything.

You're just making things up at this point, and I don't have the time to indulge in your fan-fictions. I'm not making up anything, thats literally what the ****ing novel says.

But whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.

The novel has nothing on what brought Surik to her knees, other than Nyriss' concentrated efforts. You're making it up.

Especially since you think the positioning of the three matters, even though Scourge was already (temporarily) removed from the fight when Surik was forced to her knees.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The novel has nothing on what brought Surik to her knees. You're making it up. Then what do you speculate the attack was?

Thats what you have to do in situations like that, speculate.

And logically, the only attack that could actively force her to her knees is a downward slash.

I don't care what the attack was. Surik performed better than Scourge, and that's the end of it.

I have no intention to theorycraft or speculate about such a terribly written fight anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't care what the attack was. Surik performed better than Scourge, and that's the end of it. "I'm right and you're wrong!"

Lol, ok buddy.

You have a good night.

No, the text is right and your fan-fiction is wrong.

Good night.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, the text is right and your fan-fiction is wrong.

Good night. You need to speculate on what the attack was because of the attack that Nyriss attacked Scourge with.

Based on what you're claiming, we have to analyze the fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
IIRC that was debunked. Scourge was fighting the leader anyway.

LOL no, people just like to skip the first three pages of the fight and hammer home the quote of them both fighting two at the same time, which is right at the end of the fight with the guards.

There are seven guards to begin with, as noted when Yarri arrives. Scourge fights Yarri, Meetra leaps at two of them whilst Revan and T3 kills one, another goes to intercept Revan and Revan kills him. Revan goes to fight the Emperor.

So:

Revan kills two.
Scourge is fighting Yarri.
Meetra is left with four to fight off.

Scourge continues facing Yarri, Meetra is still fighting the guards 'off-screen', keep in mind that the fight is in Revan's point of view up until this point and doesn't go back to Scourge until after Revan rips an arch down to block another six guards from coming through.

So then one of the guards rushes off to help Yarri against Scourge, leaving three for Meetra, noting that Revan notes one of the guards triggered an alarm in the hallway. Revan eventually calls for them to retreat into the throne room where it's noted that they are facing a duo each, meaning Meetra must have already killed one herself 'off-screen'.

There is also the matter of fact that Scourge pretty much already had Yarri down before the other guard really got a chance to aid her at all. So Meetra is facing three guards by the time Revan notes the alarm has buzzed.

Biggest difference for the two of them is that Meetra is resisting the presence of the Emperor which is noted to break 'even the most powerful Jedi's connection to the light side of the Force', infact Tol Braga is noted in the codex, to be corrupted by the Emperor's sheer power, he doesn't even need to mentally dominate him. Whereas Scourge was drawing off of the emotion of the guards to finish them off. All of this whilst inside the dark citadel which Scourge states right from the start of his point of view in the book, was capable of physically sustaining him for hours in training sessions with the dark side energy emanating from the building, all the way over in the Kaas Academy on the outskirts of Kaas City. Meaning the power of the citadel would be far more potent of an amp for him whilst inside it. They also accomplished their respective feats in the same amount of time.

Meetra takes Scourge to town in a neutral setting.

Originally posted by AncientPower
LOL no, people just like to skip the first three pages of the fight and hammer home the quote of them both fighting two at the same time, which is right at the end of the fight with the guards.

There are seven guards to begin with, as noted when Yarri arrives. Scourge fights Yarri, Meetra leaps at two of them whilst Revan and T3 kills one, another goes to intercept Revan and Revan kills him. Revan goes to fight the Emperor.

So:

Revan kills two.
Scourge is fighting Yarri.
Meetra is left with four to fight off.

Scourge continues facing Yarri, Meetra is still fighting the guards 'off-screen', keep in mind that the fight is in Revan's point of view up until this point and doesn't go back to Scourge until after Revan rips an arch down to block another six guards from coming through.

So then one of the guards rushes off to help Yarri against Scourge, leaving three for Meetra, noting that Revan notes one of the guards triggered an alarm in the hallway. Revan eventually calls for them to retreat into the throne room where it's noted that they are facing a duo each, meaning Meetra must have already killed one herself 'off-screen'.

There is also the matter of fact that Scourge pretty much already had Yarri down before the other guard really got a chance to aid her at all. So Meetra is facing three guards by the time Revan notes the alarm has buzzed.

Biggest difference for the two of them is that Meetra is resisting the presence of the Emperor which is noted to break 'even the most powerful Jedi's connection to the light side of the Force', infact Tol Braga is noted in the codex, to be corrupted by the Emperor's sheer power, he doesn't even need to mentally dominate him. Whereas Scourge was drawing off of the emotion of the guards to finish them off. All of this whilst inside the dark citadel which Scourge states right from the start of his point of view in the book, was capable of physically sustaining him for hours in training sessions with the dark side energy emanating from the building, all the way over in the Kaas Academy on the outskirts of Kaas City. Meaning the power of the citadel would be far more potent of an amp for him whilst inside it. They also accomplished their respective feats in the same amount of time.

Meetra takes Scourge to town in a neutral setting.

I mean, Yarri is the best Guard that Vitiate has though, so you can figure Meetra would have just as much trouble.

Yarri being a captain doesn't dismiss all of the other circumstances, the guards are clearly better in groups, group combat is what allows them to kill Dark Council members. Yarri is even stated to be no match for Lord Scourge, despite their prolonged contest.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yarri being a captain doesn't dismiss all of the other circumstances, the guards are clearly better in groups, group combat is what allows them to kill Dark Council members. Yarri is even stated to be no match for Lord Scourge, despite their prolonged contest. Oh btw, no one is trying to argue that Meetra would lose on neutral ground.

Yeah, I guess so, but Yarri should be considerably above your average joe. (In terms of Imperial Skills)

And you said Scourge killed 2?

Meetra killed four?

They are all elite members of the Imperial Guardsmen according to Drew Karpyshyn, who are each charged to protect the Emperor himself, so I'm not sure how large the combative difference is going to be, I'd wager she is the Captain through experience and longevity not being uber 1337.

Scourge kills two, Meetra was likely facing four at once off-screen, before one of them went to aid Yarri. Meetra thus killed three.

But I do agree with you on Meetra taking Scourge on neutral ground.

Originally posted by AncientPower
LOL no, people just like to skip the first three pages of the fight and hammer home the quote of them both fighting two at the same time, which is right at the end of the fight with the guards.

There are seven guards to begin with, as noted when Yarri arrives. Scourge fights Yarri, Meetra leaps at two of them whilst Revan and T3 kills one, another goes to intercept Revan and Revan kills him. Revan goes to fight the Emperor.

So:

Revan kills two.
Scourge is fighting Yarri.
Meetra is left with four to fight off.

Scourge continues facing Yarri, Meetra is still fighting the guards 'off-screen', keep in mind that the fight is in Revan's point of view up until this point and doesn't go back to Scourge until after Revan rips an arch down to block another six guards from coming through.

So then one of the guards rushes off to help Yarri against Scourge, leaving three for Meetra, noting that Revan notes one of the guards triggered an alarm in the hallway. Revan eventually calls for them to retreat into the throne room where it's noted that they are facing a duo each, meaning Meetra must have already killed one herself 'off-screen'.

There is also the matter of fact that Scourge pretty much already had Yarri down before the other guard really got a chance to aid her at all. So Meetra is facing three guards by the time Revan notes the alarm has buzzed.

You're forgetting this line:

"An alarm began to ring out in the hall, triggered by one of the other three soldiers. Before they could join in the fight, Revan thrust his hand, palm up,"

The soldiers who hadn't been immediately engaged hadn't been able to join the fighting until Revan calls them into the throne room. So up till that point Meetra had only been fighting two of them. Revan had taken out 1, Scourge fought Yarri, Meetra was fighting 2, leaving those 3 remaining idk wanking each other off in a corner. At no point is she fighting all 4 at once. Then Revan kills 1, 1 goes to fight Scourge and I guess Meetra kills 1 off-screen, therefore she was only ever fighting 2 or maybe 3 at any time.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Biggest difference for the two of them is that Meetra is resisting the presence of the Emperor which is noted to break 'even the most powerful Jedi's connection to the light side of the Force', infact Tol Braga is noted in the codex, to be corrupted by the Emperor's sheer power, he doesn't even need to mentally dominate him. Whereas Scourge was drawing off of the emotion of the guards to finish them off. All of this whilst inside the dark citadel which Scourge states right from the start of his point of view in the book, was capable of physically sustaining him for hours in training sessions with the dark side energy emanating from the building, all the way over in the Kaas Academy on the outskirts of Kaas City. Meaning the power of the citadel would be far more potent of an amp for him whilst inside it. They also accomplished their respective feats in the same amount of time.

Meetra takes Scourge to town in a neutral setting.

I'm forgetting nothing, he's blocking the entry for the six guards that appeared afterwards, hence his ripping the archway.

But hey I know how desperate you are to wank the laughable claim that novel Scourge ~ Meetra so you can wank your Act II HOT even harder.

No he isn't, they appear well after that.

I'm not doing any such thing nor have I indicated novel Meetra is comparable to Kotor II Meetra. Don't get so cranky.

Can you even read? He uses the Force to blast open the durasteel doors so they could retreat into the throne room, where plenty of fighting goes on. Later on, it's confirmed that only Yarri and three of the guards had survived by the time of Meetra and Scourge's retreat into the throne room. The other three were dead, meaning Revan's two and one Meetra had to have killed off-screen. Scourge and Yarri are fighting solo until one of the guards fighting Meetra peeled off to help her.